So... is Abbie hated just because she's buff, and not a model with A cup sized tits and a massive ass? If so, why are gamers so pathetic?
cuz she's fucking ugly and even if she's hot I'd still hate her because shes an unlikable character and I'd hate her even more because then coomer faggots will post her in offmodel DeviantArt porn and be like I FORGIVE HER FOR KILLIN JOEL
What game?
>>730715003tekken 8
>>730714673No she's hated because she's the catalyst of a poorly done 'revenge bad' story that could have been avoided if she just asked Joel why he killed her father after finding out he was the one to do it after he saved her life.There was zero reason for her to get her goon squad to drag him to an abandoned building and beat him to death with a golf club without knowing why, and when Ellie inevitably hunts her and her friends like the animals they are, the game constantly tried to say Abby is the good guy and that Ellie should have just let it go.
>>730714673Imagine giving a fuck
>>730714673>ugly>trannyNo one cares what you think. The only people who DO like this shit are ugly trannies. Welcome to reality.
>>730714673She's initially hated for killing Joel. Full stop. Everything else is just added fuel for retards to hate her. Personally, I liked her but I hate the game and the dog shit story. The gameplay is literally the only thing that somewhat saves it.
>>730714673She's ugly and disgusting and there is no place for that shit on the screen for character like thatAlso>assfaggotryCringeDeal with it
>>730715701She's not a tranny.
>>730714673Why are you mad over a tasteless movie "videogame"?
>>730717405He's a tranny*
>>730714673Never saw a buffy girl that had the body of a Ken doll.
It's funny because Abby is what /v/ would genuinely consider a "woman character done right" but because she isn't a tranime supermodel from a coomer game everyone hates her>is on a warpath to avenge her father>sacrifices her long-term health to get stronger through steroids...>...while also training hard in weapon use, survival and tactics>is self-reliable but also a team player that respects her friends and allies>isn't obnoxious whenever she talks to people>doesn't believe in feminism>is straight
>>730717787Nah, that's Lev
>>730714673If Laura voices it, I'm attracted to it. Simple as.
>>730718386They wanted to be cool and have a trans character but also wanted plausible deniability.
This movie game sucks balls but it would've made way more sense for Abbie to have been a dude. They didn't need to overdo it by making her roided out. Just make a dude out for revenge.
>>730714673Get new bait, this one is mouldy.
>>730718386dumb people hate her because she kills joel and makes them feel bad. they then didn't let themselves enjoy any abby sections because of it and called tlou2 a bad gamebasically tlou2 is a normie filter
>>730718524>source: someone on /v/ told me so
How would you kill Abby if you get the chance.
never played it but as i recall:Killed the prequel's main character with a golf clubthe girl protag seeks revenge but lets the buff girl go for some reason?which is after buff girl bit off two of her fingers preventing her from playing guitar?Also that one sex scene that no one asked for.
>>730715003The Last of Troons
post his butthole
>>730718686>tlou>normie filterPlease shut your unwashed ass up and sit down, snoy. The Last of Snoys is at the top of the list for "Best Games of All Time According to Normalfags+Journalists+Women+'Dad Gamers' Who Don't Even Play Video Games And Consider Gaming Embarassing"Kys
>>730714673She feels forced
>>730721026it's ok if you don't like the game because it made you feel sad
>>730718386>she isn't a tranime supermodel from a coomer gameEllie and Tess aren't supermodels from a tranime game and are very liked characters.
>>730714673Massive ass? Substantiate with pics please
>>730714673It's easy to hate fruity evil dudes, and the same applies to masculine women. All are gross and a bunch of freaks.
>>730714673yes sure we hate her for all of this. Now fuck off, shill
>>730721213No, it makes me sad when I have to deal with such low IQ takes like "this normalfag snoy series is a normie filter".
>>730714673The face doesn't even fit the body wtf is this
>>730714673No idea what you're on about, the gay sex scene was unnecessary. The character just looks really fucking fugly you'd think the devs masturbated exclusively to potatoes. Not people with potato faces, just potatoes.Your game will never be mature for as long as it takes pages from Sonic Heroes with the unnecessary homing attacks and hand holding.
>Neil Cuckmann self insert fucking the "IT'S MAAAM" creatureStill can't believe that some people see this game as something great.
>>730718386I hate her because her story doesn't go anywhere and she gets everyone killed
>>730714673She's ugly, has no charisma, and is overall just sort of a dickhead that never really learns anything. She's unpleasant to watch and learn about, every instance of camaraderie or other likeable characteristic is so obviously, desperately telegraphed to garner audience sympathy that it feels fake and hokey.There's been crueler characters that people have liked, either because their personality is fun or they're hot. There's been uglier characters that people have liked because they're kind or interesting. There's been bland characters that people have liked because they're hot or dynamic. Abbie is none of these things, she's just a maladjusted frat boy that, ironically, never really learns anything about revenge throughout her story. To Abbie, TLoU2 is just a bizarre sequence of events that happen to her for no discernible reason.
>>730714673We get these though so I consider it a win
>>730720905As far as protags getting killed by sequel protags, Joel getting whacked is not nearly as bad as what happens to Alex Mercer in prototype 2 in or Trevor killing Johnny in gtav.
>>730714673No? She's hated because she's an unlikeable character who has a shitty revenge plot involving killing the beloved protagonist of the first game because he did the unspeakable act of trying to stop doctors from harvesting a little girl. And then the game justifies her actions with this shitty "Violence is le bad" messaging letting her off basically scott-free despite the entire game being about killing everyone else.When the show came out, gamers were upset that she WASN'T buff. Because at the very least, her huge body was realistic because of her obsession for revenge and that made her look like a formidable antagonist without you knowing a single thing about her.
Even if you ignore what happened with Joel, which itself is made worse as it happens right after Joel saves Abby and shows kindness to her yet gives her no pause for reconsideration, Abby is just simply not likeable. There's a point where Abby is beating Dina in front of Ellie, Ellie begs her to stop because Dina is pregnant, and Abby just seems to enjoy it more and says "good" before going to kill Dina. She only stops because Lev has to beg her to stop. Lev is the only thing likeable about Abby, and even then Lev is a boring nothing of a character whose only true highlight in the game was getting punched in the face.And yes, Ellie kills a pregnant woman, but the context is completely different. Ellie wanted to leave them both alive, but ended up in a wacky miscommunication where she has to use self-defence before getting stabbed herself, and doesn't even know the other woman is pregnant until it's too late. And when she finds out, she's horrified, starts throwing up, and has to be comforted by her friends.The wrong character learns to stop the circle of violence in the end, not that it would matter because Abby already achieved her goal and completed her part of the circle, albeit getting all her friends killed in the process.
>>730722607>>730723312NO SHUT UP I'M TRYING TO RAGE BAIT
>>730723312Yeah i would consider it to be a major failing of the game not being able to build a relationship with Abby and the player except in the most hamfisted way possible. (abby's dad saving the Zebra). Because every moment from then on Abby is the most backstabbing landmine 'Friend' to everyone she knows. As you said the only good part of Abby is Lev but the character is so poisoned with this lame outdated gender politics child marriage subplot stuff, it's uninteresting.
>>730715609It's a very well done story, no need to lash out you didn't get it
>>730714673>i don't hate her and I find muscular women really hotI guess you're right OP
Haha my one game normie friend is playing through this game cause of astroturfing.He liked the first game but he's already in his finding out phase and considers picking up another game.
>>730718386bro we're all over our "woman character done right" phases. It can't be done
I thought the story in the last of us 2 was okay. when I finally got around to play it myself last year I was a little shocked to see that this is what everyone was so asshurt over when the game originally came out. I expected something really good for the amount of outrage it caused
>>730718386>sacrifices her long-term health to get stronger through steroids...a lot of people deny that she would need steroids to look like that. but to be fair, a lot of people also think guys who are obviously on steroids just eat a lot of eggs too.
>>730714673Abbie is hated because her entire story is one long "I couldn't control myself" moment destroying everything for everyone but the game still tries to make you like her.
>>730714673She is ugly on the outside and inside.
>>730724331>makes claim>provides no reasoning or evidenceDismissed on grounds of terminal faggotry.
>>730722238>she's uglyShe's not as attractive as other notable female characters, that's about it>has no charismaOpinion>is overall just sort of a dickhead that never really learns anythingHalf the game is dedicated to her learning how to deal with the trauma and finding a new purpose in life. She literally learns very, very obvious things like "not all of my enemies are monsters" via Lev/Yara, something you apparently missed>She's unpleasant to watch and learn about, every instance of camaraderie or other likeable characteristic is so obviously, desperately telegraphed to garner audience sympathy that it feels fake and hokeyShe's rough around the edges and can be abrasive, both of which are explained by her focusing on her revenge but has a caring side that's revealed over time, especially once she starts to let go. She's also not very liked by some of her friends and the dynamic varies from person to person (Manny gets along with her best but he's 100% on board will revenge stuff, unlike other characters) so some scenes are purposely awkward or filled with tension>There's been crueler charactersWhat she's done to Joel wasn't right or justified but isn't surprising or pointlessly cruel for someone with enough empathy to see things from a different PoV, or not obtuse enough to declare Joel a saint who never did anything wrong>There's been uglier charactersShe's designed like that on purpose, partially to make it easier for people to hate. ND might've overdone it but maybe it's just /v/ that's filled with superficial cretins>There's been bland characters etc.Honestly your entire tirade feels forced, like you've seen someone present "arguments" and now you're pretending to do the same. Abby's not cruel for the sake of it, she's unattractive for a purpose (with in-game justification) and she's anything but uninteresting
>>730725169You haven't made any claim yourself, so why are you expecting me to do the same? In fact you've already shown you didn't understand the story when you wrote "revenge bad", because it very fucking much isn't that. Frankly, you don't understand other human beings if you write retarded shit like>story that could have been avoided if she just asked Joel why he killed her father after finding out he was the one to do it after he saved her life
>>730718386>woman character done right
>>730725357>Ellie lets Abby live>it very fucking much isn't thatuh huh..
>>730725357dont you think it's just a little contrived to make the evil doctor, who was evil, have a daughter who would somehow not just have the absolute will to kill one man for years but also brutally kill him in front of his (adopted) daughter, no questions asked?
TLOU2 is naughty dog’s best game since 2003.Only turbo brainlets would prefer TLOU1. Uncharted 2 is also acceptable answer. But TLOU2 has great gameplay, and misery-porn-kino story. TLOU1 actually is the so scripted and confined that the gameplay systems never get a chance to actually be used fully. 2 has tons of big sections where it’s nothing but combat encounters and lets you utilise all the systems however you want. And TLOU1’s story was the most predictable basic shit ever made, except the final 20 minutes, that actually was unique and unexpected.
I need a muscle girl so fucking bad.
>>730718686>basically tlou2 is a normie filterbait post, do not engage. Repeat, do not engage.
Intergalactic must not be doing that hot, huh?
>>730725954the second TLOU2 makes you play as Abby, in those terrible, uninteresting sections, it's a given she wasn't going to die. Predictable and overrated, both games.
>>730725952The doctor wasn’t supposed to be evil. Joel’s actions at end of TLOU1 are supposed to be selfish. Understandably so, but not at all “this is for the greater good”, it was “I want this”.There’s a good reason he never told anyone except his brother what happened.
>>730725838Why do you shitters never, ever give examples of what YOU consider a good story? Is it because you're illiterate cretins? Or is it because you realise anyone reduce your favourite story to nonsense the same way you reduce TLOU's?>>730725952See above.Actually don't, you're just sperging out in an emotional outburst. Otherwise you'd realise the "evil doctor raising an evil daughter capable of torturing a man" would be logically consistent and therefore defeat whatever nonsensical argument you're making
>>730726205She was slated to die for majority of development, devs had a change of heart pretty late in the story when they've seen how well she works with other characters. Source is in the commentary track, I can look it up if you don't believe me. Regardless, I'm sure 99% of people expected Ellie to kill Abby at the end - this very thread is full of people who cry about her not doing so
>>730726216Dissect the only "cure" in the world is retarded and evil. Not that anyone should expect better from western hacks.
>>730714673Hated both in looks, character, and the fact that she killed Joel.Those combined with being part of a shitty revenge story where she gets away with everything.>>730725357>Literally murders Joel in front of Ellie in a brutal and cruel way>Cripples Ellie that she can't properly play the guitar>Threatens to murder a pregnant woman>Even her moments where she is nice don't make it lighter that she is murderous psycho>We play as her and nobody actually likes her nor wants to see her P.O.V.>Gets scott-free despite Ellie having all the right in the world to murder her herself and only is stopped because Neil Cuckmann decided it that way>Not to mention that she doesn't even look like a woman at allGee I wonder.>>730718386No. /v/ is not a hivemind and this is not a woman character done right.
>>730715609>the game constantly tried to say Abby is the good guythat's not true at all, they're both animals blinded by revenge and the cycle of violence, and THAT is why revenge bad
>>730726216The ending of TLOU1 is contrived itself, but making the entire second game hinge on that moment is a mistake. It was a 100% rational decision of Joel to prevent Ellie's murder. Fireflies were shitbags, but then again, so is everyone in TLOU, because this game's very world is purposefully made to be SUPA GRIMDARK BRO. It's like Cuckman wanted to make a world like The Road, but he wanted zombies and trannies in it (spoiler: It didn't work)
its just a boring game
>>730726205Abby’s sections are by far the best bits though?Like that’s not controversial statement evan for people who hate her. Abby’s Day2 is best part of game. Climb the skyscraper (fighting tons of guys), cross the bridge, go down the other skyscraper (which has highest density of infected in whole game), then go into hospital basement and have a boss fight against the Rat King.
>>730721528>Ellie and Tess aren't supermodels
>>730726243>Why do you shitters never, ever give examples of what YOU consider a good story?John Wick is a good revenge story.
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>>730726817>Abby’s sections are by far the best bits though?If thou art trans, mayhaps
>>730726859Yes? They aren't, unless you live on a shithole that everyone is either fat or black/indian.Otherwise they are just normal.
>>730726243>Why do you shitters never, ever give examples of what YOU consider a good story?One where a character docent slaughter countless mooks in a quest for revenge but falter at the one person who actually hurt her.And even if that were not the case, a good, or bad story doesn't need comparisons to work.
>>730726987you're a retard
>>730726569>Literally murders Joel in front of Ellie in a brutal and cruel wayShe doesn't even know who Joel is to Ellie and vice versa. Afterwards she could've just killed the latter and get away scott-free (I'm sure you'll just say she didn't because she's stupid or something). It's been explained time and time again that Joel is not a Good Person and has caused immeasurable suffering to Abby (and her group)>Cripples Ellie that she can't properly play the guitar... because she's being actively drowned by Ellie, you disingenuous cunt>Threatens to murder a pregnant womanShe's at her literal worst, after seeing her pregnant friend (kinda) murdered, right next to her dead love interest>Even her moments where she is nice don't make it lighter that she is murderous psychoThis is too vague to answer with a specific example>We play as her and nobody actually likes her nor wants to see her P.O.V.PEBKAC>Gets scott-free despite Ellie having all the right in the world to murder her herself and only is stopped because Neil Cuckmann decided it that wayYou can dismiss all she's been through but non-retards will see it other way>Not to mention that she doesn't even look like a woman at allShe does but you're going to milk it for all it's >Gee I wonder.I'm sure you've been as impartial and objective as you could when writing that list
>>730714673>protagonist kills untold numbers of mooks to get to the leader>they reach the leader>"If I kill them, I'm as bad as them!">bitches outThis trope is fucking retarded no matter what sex the characters are or how they look.
>>730718386>/v/ is one man
>>730727108>"man"
>>730727107It's the typical jewish story in which they're allowed to have their revenge, but you're not because you have to be above that or something.
>>730726389>change of heart pretty late in the storywe can tell
>>730727049You're an inbred that thinks the rest of the world look like the 1/10 dejects of your family.
>>730726817maybe the best bits if killing zombies is the only thing you play the game for; which makes me wonder why youre playing a super story heavy game like TLOU to begin with
>>730726868Take your fucking pick>LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO HE KILLS PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A PUPPERINO, LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOor>KEKEKEKKEK BADASS DUDE #844130 KILLS 100000 PEOPLEWhat a meaningful discussion we're having, wouldn't you agree?>>730727039For starters, you can get past the majority of enemies. The actual death count is probably lower if you don't count people killed in cutscenes. Secondly, every single person you run into will attack you on sight, for various reasons, so if you want to get that technical, you can claim self-defense... if such a term can even be used in this post-apoc world. Finally, not all quests for revenge end with the protagonist killing their mark and this is one of them>>730727308>we can tellAgain: I don't think you do, considering how many people were surprised to see her survive the story
>>730727049>sees cute girl>instantly thinks she's a supermodelso sexless it's cute
>>730727598>surprised to see her surviveyeah the game was shockingly hacky
>>730714673Abbie's hated because she's not hot AND she kills Joel. Part II has a shitload of really dumb issues (bringing a fucking pregnant woman on a military excursion, Ellie straight up leaving 'THE MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE WE ARE' on the dead body of that pregnant woman, etc.) but Joel dying is literally the only way a sequel could ever happen that doesn't feel like wish fulfillment for another adventure. There's literally 0 reason for Joel and Ellie to ever leave Jackson except for Ellie going back to the Fireflies base, which she does and gets pissed at Joel about.But that's the craziest thing to me about all of the backlash to Part II; it's not any of the shit I just listed, or the cycle of grief and revenge being played out, or anything related to the gameplay, it's literally JUST that she's ugly and she kills Joel. It's why games will never be art, gamers aren't even up to Game of Thrones level storytelling at this point.
>>730725357Why are you playing defense for this game so hard?
>actually, getting personal satisfaction is bad because... it just is, okay?
>>730727598>LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO HE KILLS PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A PUPPERINO, LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYou have the same lack of understanding about the matter most of the characters in the movie do. It's not that they killed the dog, it's that they killed the dog his dead wife that he loved very much left for him.
>>730726243>you're just sperging out in an emotional outburstthe game makes a point that Joel made a selfish decision to save Ellie. It was not selfish. Only a stupid writer or TLOU's target audience would think Ellies death would have been some kind of guaranteed salvation for humanity (it wouldn't have been).
>>730728265>AHAHAHAHAH THEY KILL LE REDDIT PUPPERINO SO HE KILLS THEM AHAHAHA>LOOOOL HE SIMPS FOR HIS WIFE WHAT A BITCHDo you get my point now?
>>730727598>What a meaningful discussion we're having, wouldn't you agree?That is the level of discussion you were engaging in, yes,
>>730728437You don't have a point, you have a bunch of greentext in all caps because you desperately want TLOU2 to be considered a good revenge story. A good revenge story ends with the protagonist actually getting their revenge, TLOU2 did not end that way. Fact is, most people find getting revenge to be incredibly cathartic, the inverse that catharsis comes from breaking the cycle of revenge is simply not true.
>>730728437all caps doesnt make your point any sharper. John Wick is a killer who lost everything he cared about to evil thugs, so he kills them. That's it.
>>730728643I have? Surely you can point where, especially compared to "people" I was arguing with?>>730728648>>730728747I can't believe I have to explain this: neither of my posts (>>730728437 >>730727598) reflect my genuine opinion of the movie(s) but this is precisely the way TLOU detractors argue, as seen in this and many previous threads, which generally make for a shitty discussion
>>730728937Ellie doesn't get revenge. John Wick does.Ellie: 0John Wick: 1If Cuckman wrote John Wick, he would have had John Wick kill 200 people with dubious morals, gotten to the shitbag who killed his dog, and then break down crying and let him go, because killing is like bad and stuff.
>>730728937Right here >>730724331
>>730727598>LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO HE KILLS PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A PUPPERINO, LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOor>KEKEKEKKEK BADASS DUDE #844130 KILLS 100000 PEOPLEis not comparable to >protagonist kills untold numbers of mooks to get to the leader>they reach the leader>"If I kill them, I'm as bad as them!">bitches out>>730728648>A good revenge story ends with the protagonist actually getting their revenge,There are good stories where the revenge is hollow and meaningless, but the revenge still needs to happen, like Hamlet gets his revenge but loses so much in the persuit.
>>730728937>Why do you shitters never, ever give examples of what YOU consider a good story?Too late for that for changing your point.
It was hilarious watching the show because Abby is better looking than Ellie so automatically morally righteous. Watching Ellie die was great.
>>730715003Hot Shots Golf
>>730729650The viewership fell off a cliff at exactly the same point people hated the game though.
>>730726216Yeah bro, the doctor who is attempting to harvest the organs of a little without anyone else agreeing to it, and forcing her father-figure out of the building at gunpoint without any supplies or even the chance of seeing her one last time was never meant to be evil. Why didn't Joel just have faith in a process that is barely explained to him last minute while he's being threatened and after he woke up from being unconscious? Obviously the moral thing to do would've been to accept the actions of a shadowy cabal of insurgents that force their will on you with no room for discussion and a paper-thin excuse.
>>730729446Person A made baseless claims, to which I rightfully replied they don't know what they're talking about. What's wrong with it? Do you expect me to be polite to someone who talks shit about a game they know NOTHING about?>>730729516One more post like this and I will link you the cesspool from the archives, because we both know what posts I was bringing up when writing mine>>730729578What the FUCK are you talking about?
>>730729946You asked for /v/'s example of a good revenge story, you got one.
>>730730068I asked for one to showcase that you can dumb down and shit on any story if a person wants to, if they're arguing disingenuously. I then proceeded to do so to drive the point home at which point I was attacked by >>730729516>>730728747>>730728648 probably because it was easier to attack me for that rather than my other arguments.So, what is your point again?
>>730714673people will always buck at the idea of killing a good samaritan, and that would be the case if joel hadn't done what he did to save a child from being sacrificed. >my dad was going to do a blood sacrifice on a child and got merc'd in the process>the guy who did it just saved my life and is by all accounts a random nobody that's not causing any farther harm.for most people in west their sense of honor and debt would inclined to giving joel a pass at least from their external view of the situation, abby comes off as a hypocritical barbarian that stabbed someone in the back.
>>730730563>So, what is your point again?TLOU2 is a shitty game and shitty story and we're tired of going into detail about it years later, so we abbreviate by calling it shitty. No one wants to type out the same fucking essay for every fag from reddit who comes around hoping to change our minds. You don't even need an essay or to rationalise why it's bad, it's just something you know.
Druckmann is a narcissistic sociopath that doesn't speak real human and TLOU2 is an accidental test of a person's ability to detect such traits.
>>730730563our point is that TLOU2 fuckin stinks
>>730730783>>730730901And we're looping back to >>730724331 . Even worse, you're now talking shit other stuff (I presume gameplay and graphics) that people who hate the game's story say is at least good (and was among the best when the game was released)
>>730731028It's a movie game with a bunch of accessibility options that let you tune or turn off whatever you don't like, of course many people find the gameplay "good", those are mouthbreathers who would be more suited to watching actual movies so they can passively consume the content.>people who hate the game's story say is at least goodNo one here likes movie games, buddy, making fun of them is a whole meme here.>It's a very well done storyIt's not, you're just wrong.
>>730731028>you just dont get it you guiseeven worse than getting it, i understand what they were trying to do and it's soooo shite haha
>this surprised and infuriated millions of HBO viewersI never really believed TLOU2 was astroturfed before thisIf it was one of the bestselling games of all time, how the fuck was nobody watching the show aware this was the pivotal plot event?
>>730729946>Person A made baseless claimsNo, he made arguments.You responded with baseless claims instead of engaging with the arguments.
>>730731535Underage? How do you not know literally every major piece of media is shilled now?
>>730714673I dropped the game as soon as the protag switch happenede33 got the same treatment I have one simple rule
>>730731603Because there is a floor to the schizophrenia you are describing, and that's that nobody has ever bought or played any video game, ever
>>730731535There's a theory that went around back when that one of the functions of viral marketing firms (shill farms) was literally to just buy a few million game copies, and the money would get kicked back to them.
there are 2 elements of joel's rampage at the end of tlou 1 that a majority of the audience cannot let slide in moral relativism1. joel only killed soldiers and otherwise high level people, no innocents2. joel's slaughter was a direct, material response to saving his daughter, not a vague ends justify the means sort of thing like blowing up apartment building in gaza that might have terrorists, he was directly cutting a path through people in the process of killing his daughter.druckmann wrote tlou2 under the assumption that there was moral relativism in that scenario sufficient enough for abby stabbing joel in the back to have nuance and many just can't get over the two gates above.
>>730714673I hate her because she is another one of druckman's pets. she is the Nadine of this series. He makes her plot wise invincible, destroys the male character, and never gets her comeuppance. He seems to like making characters like that, and you never get to actually challenge them with gameplay. it doesn't make sense that she's in the position she's in, and druckman doesn't care. I'm pretty sure he's a sadist who likes making people play this slop and smile about it. Drake's and last of Us are both garbage for this. It's not a game it's an interactive story.
>>730731554He did? He's factually wrong on Abby being the revenge catalyst (it's Joel), he wrongly and disingenuously summarises the story as "revenge bad" and then makes a hilariously out of touch statement that Abby should let the person who murdered her father, her friends or at least colleagues, in the process disbanding an organisation she belonged to and possibly gave her direction in life... because he saved Ellie from an operation that *might* have helped the world and something that Ellie herself *might* have consented to. Then he continues to misconstrue events or flat out lie to fit his narrative further while not understanding why both groups are ultimately in the wrong about the things they did.I don't see a single fucking argument here, nothing that lets that knobhead smugly call the story poorly done. You're free to voice your retarded opinions but you need to accept people with triple-digit IQ will call you out
>>730732504>because he saved Ellie from an operation that *might* have helped the world and something that Ellie herself *might* have consented towhy do you leave out the fact that he just saved her life?
The difference in writing quality can be perfectly illustrated by the difference in writing for child characters. I've always found that whether someone can write a good child character is indicative of their overall talent. Compare young Ellie to Lev. Ellie is a fully realized character, she has a personality, preferences, humor, insecurities, and fears that succeeds at making her endearing to most players. By comparison, Lev is nothing, they're (I can't even remember what gender) only memorable as a story prop. Their personality is a bog-standard "The Child" archetype that takes no thought or effort to write. You could've stuck a propeller cap and their head and it would've felt appropriate. I don't even care enough about Lev to hate them, was anyone endeared to Lev the same way they were to Ellie in part 1?
>>730732738she didn't want to be saved. even if she's just a little kid it's fictional so it's a writing decision that shows the philosophical difference between joel and ellie
>>730732738He saves Ellie's life by (potentially) killing dozens of people who were trying to improve the world, including the father of second protagonist. For the record, I do not unequivocally state that either Joel of the Fireflies were in the right but I can see that both groups could reasonably justify themselves, to some extend.Also I think you mixed the characters up because I sure don't see why Abby as we know her would see Joel killing her father to prevent the death of a girl she hasn't even seen as a mitigating factor
>>730732935>she didn't want to be savednonsense added in the second game. Ellie never consented in the first game.
>TLOU 2 bait thread in 2026Is it that dire out there? Has gaming truly died?
>>730732935no i'm talking about joel saving abbie's life. you don't think that might behoove someone reconsider a morally grey scenario. if joel had just been a raider or something then maybe you shrug that off as an indulgence that doesn't redeem him.
The ending where Ellie spares her is the dumbest shit ever.Matt summarized it best. To paraphrase - it's like going on a years long quest of popping the world's largest bubble wrap and losing all your friends and family in the process and stopping at the very last one.
>>730733215in the car, ellie didn't look happy hearing that there was tonnes of others like her. looking at the scar and remembering her friend.
>>730732504the Fireflies were fucking psychos like holy shit man you really watched the zebra scene in TLOU2 and shed a tear. You are the target audience and that's sad. Abby has carried on her father's terrible morals by brutally killing Joel in front of his daughter and the game genuinely expects us to care about her. No normal person did. The first game had contrived and basic writing but the second game was insulting.
>>730733473no bro it's too dark for you to understand. The post apocalyptic world of The Last of Us... it's grim even for gays and jews...
>>730733310joel forgot to pull out his redpill book about why women are trash when he was swarmed by zombies. what a simp
>>730733480i dont think anyone in that game were all smiles. It's not of much note.
>>730733215I'm pretty sure even the first game hints that Ellie would've been okay with it. She still could not give her consent, which is why the whole situation is morally ambiguous>>730733310See >>730733091 only exchange "save Ellie's life" with "save Abby's life". Considering that Fireflies were risking their lives for a cause they believed in, do you seriously think Joel (accidentally, mind you) saving Abby's life would've made up for all the grief he's done to her and the damage to the world?>if joel had just been a raider or something then maybe you shrug that off as an indulgence that doesn't redeem him.And this is how I know whenever I argue about those things on /v/, I talk to people who haven't played the fucking games, and thus shouldn't open their mouths at all. Joel WAS a raider. He ambushed, murdered and tortured people to survive. His scene with Abby shows that he was very much aware one day he might answer for what he did>>730733578The cannibals were psychos. In a world where most people struggled to find a reason to live beyond just surviving they were facing death and spending resources on something more than just prolonging their lives. The first game doesn't portray them as particularly competent but that adds ambiguity to their actions (and don't even fucking try to bring up the "there were other immune people but they failed to make a cure out of them" bullshit)
>>730733908>hints that Ellie would've been okay with iteven IF she was, Joel would still be in the right. Not even getting into the ridiculous logistics of making vaccines and distributing them, they selfishly believed that they had the ultimate authority to kill Ellie for a potential (magical) cure, and i wouldnt blame Joel for a second for getting her back.>the child consented bro, it's ok
>>730733908>they were facing death and spending resources on something more than just prolonging their livesthey were sacrificing Ellie to literally prolong their lives via immunity to the fungus. It's not like they were so holy that they were going to make infinite vaccines and give it to everyone else first.
Looks like every other AAA realtranny "female" I've seen in these dime-a-dozen cinematic walking simulators.Turns out facescanning women who were unwittingly roided by endocrine disruptors, testosterone and pharmaceutical placebo drugs that are constantly being pumped into water supplies results in similarly androgynous characters.
>>730734578The game works off a magical infection in the first place so as long as there's no contradiction within the game, we can accept that as a possible outcome.>>730734746If they wanted to be selfish they could've just bunkered down like any other faction. They have no shortage of high-powered guns or supplies, they even took over an entire hospital. Not like you can provide anything that supports your theory, either
If Abby had been a man people would've liked the character better. Everything about her seems like a mans reaction to trauma. The unbelievable rage she takes out on everyone else, the pursuit of any kind of armed conflict to take it out on anyone stupid enough to cross her, that's a young man's reaction to rage, not a woman's.I get everything in TLOU revolves around daughters but Abby should've been male.
>>730735219>If Abby had been a man people would've liked the character better.No, nothing would have changed about how people felt about Joel getting killed, and then not getting killed himself at the end.
>>730735219Or just be more attractive, like is the case with the HBO show, where apparently Abby isn't subject to the same scrutiny as she is in the game. People just superficial, ND probably didn't want to compromise on whatever stance they were taking at that time
>>730735371You're right, but she wouldn't have been memed a million times over by virtue of her appearance and attitude which make her come across like a tranny.
>>730714673a large group hate her because she's a retcon character. she never existed in the first game and should if her father is supposed to be the doctor at the end. she's a symptom of lazy writing and proof that druckman had no ideas for a second game and just pulled a plot from his ass at the 11th hour.
>>730735686The sex scene still would have been memed if literally nothing about it had been changed but her sex. Tired of people trying to memoryhole how much shitposting TLOU2 got, nearly every aspect of it got shit on, and not just here, it was genuinely one of the only good things to come out of that trainwreck.https://litter.catbox.moe/r34iye72zj6aignb.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/ahj76q7wuc7kd7q5.webm
How the fuck are we up to 150 replies for a shit character in a bland and generic post apocalypse enjoyed solely by tasteless mouth breathers?
>>730734996>The game works off a magical infection in the first placethis is correct, just as it is correct that>they would have to magically create a shit ton of vaccines>many would not trust their vaccine>they would inevitably capitalize off of being the owners and use it as leverage>wars between factions would probably startall this means that Joel's motives were not nonsense whereas the goals of the Firelies were. The second game unfortunately disagrees.>If they wanted to be selfish they could've just bunkered down like any other factioni could be wrong but it seemed like the only times they werent doing that was for science experiments anyway
>>730735415people still hated Abby's guts
