Why did they do it?
The answer is and always will be sex. They did it for sex.
Doesn't make much sense does it? Why would Nerevar best friends and wife suddenly kill him and use the heart to become artificial gods and rule over Morrowind? There's not really a motive aside from power.
Because elves are perfidious assholes
>>730717646all their good traits died with trinimac
>>730717710I'd take godlike power and eternal life too. Nerevar was the crazy one for remaining an Azura simp in the face of such an opportunity.
>>730717646Did Vivec's bussy really get pounded by Molag Bal so hard he actually got pregnant?
>>730717710>there's not really a motive aside from a huge motivepeople go on insane powertrips when you give them the tiniest bit of power all the time. now imagine potentially giving them the power to become something godlike. people have killed each other over just winning the lottery lol.
Vivec the mortal did.Vivec the god did not.
>>730717646They were retards who got high off their own shit fumes.
>>730717646just banter
>>730720564Yes it 100% happened and no it 100% did not happen
>>730720470Azura and Nerevar won in the end.
I love Morrowind so much bros...
>>730720993why is nerevar so cute?
>>730721045groomed into the perfect BF by azura
>>730721040I'm going to get into it one of these days. Surely the 10'th try will hook me.
>>730720993this is how she really looks like, just an old hag
Its basically a retelling of the ramayana.
>>730721113she groomed him into a cute shota? hot
>>730720993Nerevar is just a tool of the gods and their petty machinations. Morrowind is inspired by Hindu mythology but it plays like a Greek mythological tale.
>>730721334Honestly, I would still.
>>730721334Azura is hot.
>>730721040This, also Oblivion and Skyrim
>>730717646They thought it'd be funny.
>>730720993Nerevarine* won >Eternal Champion: forgotten like a lil' bitch>Agent: probably died like in seven different ways when the Dragon Broke>Hero of Kvatch: turned into God JokerNerevarine got to trample all over Vvanderfell like a boss then fucked off to Akavir to slay snake pussy. Second place goes to the Dragonborn for chilling in Skyrim for 15 years with a thousand quest and porn mods.
>>730720564Vivec was a power bottom, he actually broke the king of rape down with his anal game and then dabbed on Cold Harbor as a whole then Men In Black mind wiped them
>>730721193Just wait for the inevitable remake
im 80% sure todd will announce a morrowind remake
>>730721471only nerevar can tap that tho
>>730722676Unless they change the combat and gameplay, zoomies will firebomb Bethesda
>>730722839and add voice acting so it's palatable to younger audiences toothat's a lot more work than Oblivion, plus he already has a Fallout 3 remake to sell soon, he's not desperate
>>730717646just finished morrowind for the first time, and except Vivec I have no idea who those other two are
>>730721438for me it was nibani maesa
>>730722930kys N'wah and play the Tribunal DLC.The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Morag Tong > Dark Sissiehood
>>730717646>Nerevar said these tools can make people gods>Holy shit that rules, let's just kill him and do itThe Tribunal were shitty people, and Azura knew it. The Nerevarine's job was to punish them just as much as it was to stop Dagoth Ur.
>>730717646>why did the people who worship the gods of plotting, betrayal and murder ever usurp their leader and murder him in cold blood when given the chance to ascend to godhood?Truly a mystery.
>>730722930Almalexia, basically the whore god of all wannabe deities.Sotha Sil, actual pussy who ran.Vivec, faggot who sucked all the deities' cocks
>>730717646dungmer do be duplicitous like that
>>730721040Same. Even before Tamriel Rebuilt I put over 1000 hours into Morrowind. Now it's just getting out of hand but I don't care.>The Telvanni Isles will be redone somedayI find that a little sad, I like how isolated and different they are from the more modern areas. Tamriel Rebuilt is like a modding time machine where you can just wander the different eras of the modding scene and sometimes you want the more basic style of the 2000s.
>>730721389Adorable coffee honse
>>730723234>Dark BrotherhoodAHAHAHAHA FEAR MY EDGE! I HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO SLAY A CHILD, AND I SHALL SEND HER SOUL TO SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY AND THE HANDS OF OUR GODDESS! I AM THE DARKNESS AND THE SHADOWS!!! KILL ALL THE GUARDS!!!>Morag TongI have a legal writ of execution for a nobleman's son who killed a man in a bar brawl. I will sneak into the house and painlessly end his life before reporting my duty complete. Collateral damage is not acceptable, I am a professional.
>>730723307When you say it like that, the Tribunal was the best thing to ever happen to morrowang
>>730722016is that why he always sits cross legged?
>>730723169yeah I started a new game but with tribunal and bloodmoon activated this time, also playing as a full mage this time since magic is the most fun part of morrowind
>>730723763They unironically were. The Tribunal brought a millennia of peace and power to Morrowind and the Dunmer thrived under it. They were the only one to resist complete control of Tiper Septim and the Numidium and resist joining the Empire in all but name. They were prevented from the magical nuking of what happened to Summerset because of the power of the three.
>>730717710i'm having a propa ganda alright
>>730723763It kinda was, the Tribunal managed to resist all three Tamrielic Empires (and only signed the armistice because Dagoth Ur came back at the wrong time) and they organised Morrowind in a functional state from a bunch of tribes.
>>730723890>full mageNice. I'm nearing the end of my first pure mage playthrough in a while and it's been fun. Combat is a bit repetitive with the one or two effective spells against tougher enemies, but being able to fly/unlock things/persuade people/breathe underwater forever/heal sick characters immediately is so cool and useful.I recommend using a mod to delay Tribunal until later when it will make sense (Yeah, Helseth would absolutely put a hit out on a nobody fresh off the boat) and the mod to balance Bloodmoon because fuck me that island has wolves stronger than fucking Dagoth Ur otherwise.
>>730724097Yeah it can be repetitive, but at least with magic you can experiment creating stupid spells and try to break the gameI played vanilla OpenMW as advised by a couple of anons here, now I installed the IHeartMorrowind modlist for this playthrough, I'll keep the balance vanilla tho because I want to keep the original experience challenge-wise
>>730723439I should probably reinstall soon before they add transgender telvannis
>>730724764You already have tranny characters in Morrowind
>>730717646Vivec doesn't consider himself responsible for it but Vehk, the mortal version. It's been so long and there has been possibly multiple different timelines that for him it's not the same. Sotha Sil seems somewhat remorseful though. Almalexia is just an evil backstabber from start to finish, however her cover as some kind of caring mother goddess is brilliant.
>>730717710But Sotha Sil didn't rule over anything, he hid away and he used his god powers to pursue his research into the workings of the universe. His motives weren't entirely selfish. Meanwhile Almalexia is just an irredeemably evil bitch though and through. Vivec would be somewhere in between.
>>730725272Vivex and Almalexia are both pure irredeemable shit because both are psychopathic murderers and lie outright about it, going so far as to say "it wasn't actually me but the me of the past who is a different me that right now but yeah he definitely did it." Actual guilty driven insane babble, and the dungmer worship this thing.
>>730725239>>730725336>Almalexia is just an evil backstabber from start to finish, however her cover as some kind of caring mother goddess is brilliant.Yep and as much as ESO is shit at times, the writing and lore around the Tribunal was really well done. Some of the best TES content in a very long time.
>>730725482
>>730725336Vivec gets redeemed because he gives you Wraithguard knowing exactly what you're about to do with it. He willingly pulled the plug on the Tribunal once and for all.The meteor shit isn't in the game and it was written by Kirkbride years after the fact in a fit of manlet rage so I won't comment on it.
>>730725336Vivec has gone full Buddhist, and now lives in the moment and thinks the past is a false illusion. Sotha Sil lives only for the future and isn't able to enjoy existence anymore, and says he envies the player's indecision in ESO. Almalexia lives in the past and only wants her god powers back by any means necessary. It's pretty brilliant writing in that sense. You sort of see how they are physically depicted as well. Alma looks like a Chimer from the past, Sotha a Dunmer in the future, and Vivec encompasses both.
>>730723234Camonna Tong > Globo Homo Theives Guild
>>730725614>It's pretty brilliant writing in that senseIt is and it's my favourite area of TES lore. The tribunal and Morrowind are just fantastic with their lore, writing, history etc. It has made TES the great series it is and it's a shame that other races haven't gotten the same level of love as the Dunmer but as a proud Dunmerfag, I ain't mad.
So you forgive Vivec of murder because he said he was sorry and gives you the tool of murder? I guess.
>>730725947>gives you the tool of murderThat's not what Wraithguard is. Did you even play the main questline, yes or no?
>>730726142Yeah man, I've just been talking pure shit with accuracy but this one little detail is what makes you question it? Fuck off you faggot forgiving bussy chasing loser.
>>730725239Isn't there a book in game that literally says "vivec is a murderer and a liar, dont listen to him"?
>>730717710what do you call this style where the clitoris is very prominent
>>730725947Vivec doesn't care because he is dying anyway. He passes the karma onto the player's shoulders and makes it your decision to judge whether you think he is responsible for it or not. In a way he is purifying himself one way or another. He does fight back but that's more like a natural reaction than anything. I think he knows you can go back in time (reload game) and kill him.
>>730726546>capitulations means he is redeemedNo. It means he capitulated.
>>730726259Yes his dissidents do.On the other hand Vivec is said to have gone back in time to erase his mortal self from ever existing, so now there is only this mythical figure that was never not true.
>>730717710anon we are talking about a society that worships a god of treachery
>>730726594You are assuming he's got a big ego like his potential killer. Like I said he let's go of it, only for someone else to perpetuate it.
>>730726813>he doesn't feel bad about murdering or being murdered, so he is above itThat doesn't mean he should be forgiven or redeemed. You are a street shitter trying to preserve izzat.
>>730723763While I mostly agree, Vivec *does* let a rock float about his self-named city so that the people continue to love him. He also doesn't move it before he fucks off. That's not very nice.
>>730720993Nerevar is dead and the Nerevarine holds no memories of his life. It's not even clear if the Nerevarine is a reincarnation of Nerevar in any way. The prophecy is all just actions, the only seemingly mystical aspect is immunity to disease, which could be occurring for any number of reasons in any number of individuals unrelated to the prophecy. Azura won through attrition, actively pushing numerous failed incarnates through the motions since the first era. She could have just kept going indefinitely, assuming Dagoth didn't finish Akulakhan anytime soon. Even without her, the Tribunal would have lost to Dagoth as their powers waned, it's just that she'd prefer to keep the Dunmer alive since they worship her.
>the aedrea and daedra watching Azura about to make the biggest mistake of the age
>>730727197>It's not even clear if the Nerevarine is a reincarnation of NerevarYou can hold Moon-and-Star without croaking.
>>730717646because they are power hungry fucks who thought they could be better at godhood than deadra (fair)
>>730727791They unironically acted the same as the Daedra anyway through the anticipations
>>730727590Even that isn't 100% clear because NPCs won't actually die if they equip it. There's no lore about somebody dying after trying to wear it, so we have no idea whether or not it's true. It's also given to you by Azura in the cavern of the incarnate so nobody would have even had access to it. Azura wouldn't have given it to you if she thought it'd kill you. It can be seen as just another tool for her to use, giving this Nerevarine more legitimacy in the eyes of the Dunmer and making it more likely for him to accomplish the goals she's set out.
>>730726934That's your predisposition, not his. Vivec feels like he is not the same person anymore. Feeling sorry at this point is tartamount to not having moved past it and denying his personal development as a god. There is a fine line between lying and being sincere in his case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9xch8D--gc
>>730727998So he's forgiven himself through self induced amnesia. Wow. You sure showed that he isn't some murdering psychopath beyond redemption.
>>730727998>he killed someone in a car accident but now his name is kaitlyn and it's a girl now so all is forgiven bro, you're just stuck in a predispositioni hope those you love are harmed in front of you
Any mods to romance Almalexia?
>The Onimai faggot was banned earlier in another thread>Actual discussion is happening nowWhat a difference losing one douche makes.
>>730725798Compared to the Dark Brotherhood I actually feel like the Thieves Guild could coexist to some degree, it's just that the opening if Vvardenfell opened up new territory which shakes up the status quo.
>>730727969>anticipationsis a cope they used to ease the transition of worship, while their forms in the game represent the most degenerated version of the 3 gods I think you could argue that for a time they did do a better job at caring for morrowind than the daedra. not that it's a very high bar to cross.that said they are still massive fucks in their own ways and I happily kill them in any playthrough where I bother with the maid story and expansions
>>730727197Kirkbride said>""The premise of the game came from Kurt and me — the idea that you were a reincarnation of somebody. You’re kind of a nobody in Daggerfall, and we wanted to go the other way, where you were a big deal. I think Ken hated that at the time, because he really loves the idea of the stranger, and I totally get the appeal of that. Ken’s contribution, which made it sing, was to say, “OK, if we do this, then we never confirm it.” So we never outright say, “Yes, you are [the prophesied hero, the Nerevarine].” Even in the last, final battle with the bad guy, you can go, “No. I’m not. Everybody thinks I am, but I’m not.” "So for all intents and purposes you are, you're just given the option to say you're not. Also you walk the walk and talk the talk, something something Mantling.
>>730727791They were better for a while, but removing yourself from the mortal state of being eventually takes its toll on you and makes you less empathic.
>>730727969My wife and her useless katana.
>>730717646I find it amazing how the only mortals that reach godhood always are the thief in every trifectaThe manmer hjalti and the netchman vivec
>>730728060>>730728145>people here completely miss the philosophy of buddhism
What is the absolute best non-TR/PT affiliated content mod?
>>730728154You want to get backstabbed?
>>730717646Dark Elves are inherently malevolent and untrustworthy. They need a strong hand to guide them.
>>730728360>I forgave me, so you should tooNo.
>>730728512delet this
>>730728512I love how both the Temple and the Divine Cult have their own opposing Virgin vs Chad takes on the two gods.
>>730728535You become what you think Vivec is, in that state where he is not. Sometimes the monster only exists in your head at this point.
>>730723918They avoided being subjugated because Tiber razed Mournhold and Vivec got hard watching him do it. Giving Tiber Numidium to nuke the Altmer was just icing on the cake.
>>730728473Already happened once, so I'll be prepared this time.
>>730728740Nah dude he's a monster because what they did to Dagoth Ur and Narevar definitely fucking happened. Just because the monster is old and tired and doesn't want to be that guy anymore doesn't mean they aren't still that fucking guy. I bet you COULDN'T kill partysnax either, cuck.
>>730728512Ave
>>730728512>has the most powerful weapon ever created>still cannot conquer morrowind>has to make a peace dealNot sure that reflects too highly on T*ber S*ptim
>>730728512This game really made me love mark and recall, interventions really love how traveling works.
>>730728963I hate it when the game gives you fast travel on a silver platter.But Morrowind actually having explanations for the various forms it takes, having to go to specific places to do it or learn and practice a specific magic school? Sign me up.
>>730723234>PT developers have finally decided to let players join the Dark Brotherhood in SHotN>They will probably be against the way cooler looking Nord glowniggers
>>730728963>mark and recallEasily one of the best spell combos available in ANY game. Give me some type of resources to mark several locations and 'fast travel' has both a cost and a lore setting to exist.
>>730728886He doesn't live in the past though. The past to him is an illusion, not reality. You still don't understand the philosophy. By killing him you prove you are the one living in illusions, which is also why he is fine with this fate. He has already purified himself no matter what you decide to do.
>>730728893You seem confused. Tiber didn’t have Numidium when he invaded Morrowind. Vivec bargained with him after he attacked and gave him Big Steppy as a part of the armistice. He then wrote a whole sermon about how Tiber is the coolest guy ever.
>>730728893And the Tribunal were all dead or powerless after the Nerevarine fucked them. Only the daedric princes remain at this point.
>>730729181>again dude he forgave himselfHe's delusional is what you are actually saying. Actual self induced retardation driven by guilt. Izzat will not save you.
>>730729202I am confused and have mixed up my lore. I am a failure and must repent.
>>730729312Todd forgives you
>>730728963I can understand why they took them away, you have to keep people being able to teleport out of any situation whenever you write any one scenario because even a Lv.2 Adventurer would have access to an Amulet of Recall and there's only so many times you can write "this room is magically protected against teleportation" (like the Thieves Guild in Old Ebonhart in TR, when you steal the Death Mask of Katariah). Levitation was a result of the 360, although I'm not entirely convinced they couldn't just make it so that when you try to levitate over a city wall it loads the interior cell the same way it would if you were to interact with the main gate.
>>730729581Levitation is definitely making a comeback in 6 if Fallout 4 and Starfield are anything to go by
We should have been able to save her.
>>730729581>No Recall or Intervention can work in this place
>>730729681>if Fallout 4 and Starfield are anything to go byWhat?
>>730728385i like doors of oblivion
>>730729581I can't even remember quests in oblivion that would break if you just outright leave.
>>730727590Congrats on drinking Azura's kool aid.
>>730726290cameltoe, camel_toe, clitoris_outline
>>730729706agreed
>>730729773Fallout 4 has jetpacks. Starfield has jetpacks + 0 gravity.
so how exactly did divayth fyr make his daughter wives?asking for a friend, haha
>>730728659What’s the Temple version?
>>730730049Grown from corprus cancer blobs
>>730730049More importantly do you think he keeps the retarded hunchbacked one locked up somewhere or did he just kill it.
>>730717646if i was mortal i'd crave ascension too
>>730726743Boethiah's sphere of treachery and secret plots and the like are only really a facet of their overall essence. What Boethiah really represents is victory at any cost. Not even just 'might makes right' but the absolute willpower to know that you are right and will do absolutely anything at all to prove it.Boethiah is the main architect of Velothi society for a reason.
Seen any elves? HAHAHAHAHA
>>730730016
>>730730243I read a fic once where there's a fifth sister who turned into a cancerous mass of flesh spreading underground
>>730717646No, why did (they) do this? What is the reasoning behind nuking the most popular area of the franchise? Was it so Skyrim had no competition?
>>730717646Azura eternally butthurt at being Lorkhan's side bitch
>>730730049he gave an artificial womb to yagrum bagarn
MournholdCity of lightCity of magic
>>730730882Todd'll probably do something similar to Skyrim later.
>>730730882It was thematically fitting and also Kirkribe didn't want anybody else doing anything with his darling.
>>730722016did molag bal ever get his dick back from vivec?
>>730731116No. It was used to beat up liggers in Skyrim
>>730730882all kirkbride's doing. unlike the situation with fallout he nuked it himself so no one else would do it later anyway in a way he didn't like.
>>730731105>>730731202>kirkbride's doingdon't do drugs kids otherwise you'll nuke your baby forever
>>730730882Because it's good storytelling and thematically appropriate. It's one of the more interesting things Todd did with the lore. Not everything is a conspiracy. Todd does hate New Vegas though.
>>730731310I wish it was interesting. Skyrim is hugely fucking inconsistent about the state of Morrowind in the 4th Era. The Red Year ranges from an Nirn-shattering catastrophe to a minor inconvenience depending on who you talk to.
>>730730882Have fun with basic bitch castle building in High Rock in TES6 lol.
>>730730882Dunmer thrive in adversity. Their homeland being nuked, and becoming stronger for it, is literally their entire philosophy.
>>730731310Todd didn't do it, Kirkbride didAs a matter of fact Todd barely ever did anything related to narrative or story aside from approving or disapproving other people's input stop fucking talking about him as if he were a writer of any kind
