>Mechanicum worships me? Great!>Lorgar! How dare you worship, I am gonna murder 100 billlion loyal Imperium citizens to teach you a lesson!
>Humanized personfication of God/Jesus >Corpse is hooked to a machine for eternity to fuel reality >Sired many children >All of them are insane Kek, not even a 40K fan, but I always found the concept of "The Emperor" to be hilarious from a writing standpoint. The entire lore of 40K doesn't exist without him, but you could, I suppose, just write a universe where he doesn't exist, but not sure it's possible if he exists in every conceivable reality as he can't NOT exist in any concievable reality.
>when the adeptus machanicus is allowed to worship NOT the emperor because the imperium of man lostlmaop
>>730725149I guess you could say it is both grim.... and dark.
How did the universe end up with so many people in the first place?
>>730725216State Mandated Breeding Programs and Clones
>>730725007Chaos is based as fuck. Abaddon completely humiliated Space Marines, Elder, Imperial Guard and Necrons at the same time.
>>730725007To be fair, Mechanicus gets away with A LOT of shit just because they are good at manufacturing weapons.
>>730725287lol
>>730725007mechanicum falsely worship a dragon god buried beneath mars which said dragon god fully awakened could spell doom for everyoneI have no idea how GW is going to write their way through this shit
>>730725401>and that dragon? That's Big E's Furso- Mechsona.
>>730725007you cant refute this.
>>730725007This is some Traitor propaganda, he did not murder 100 billion loyal citizens, he had Ultramarines politely evacuate the city before bombing the shit out of it while Lorgar and his legion of choir boy molesters sat there and watched.
>>730725287Abbadon would be based if he stayed loyalist, he hates chaos anyway and just looks like a retard pretending to not be controlled by them.
why do 40k humans turn babies into mechanical slave monstrosities? are they evil?
>>7307256951) That baby was already dead2) It's cute, right?
>>730725007>Mechanicum worships me? well, as long as they give me their technology ill tolerate it>Lorgar! you bald retard i told you to stop worshipping me!
>>730725695those are vat grown babiesalso humanity in 40k is super fucking weird
>>730725287Abaddon is an absolute tool. You'd think the Horus Heresy would've taught him that maybe Chaos isn't all that cool to be associated with at all. Sure he doesn't like it, but he'd rather ally with the powers that fucked him and Horus over than the Imperium, just because he thinks humanity should gobble down Space Marine cock. Does the cunt really think he or anyone else is in a better position now than before Horus threw a tantrum? So many of the traitors seem to have been tricked into being slaves to god that see them as playthings, yet they pretend like they were worse off with the Emperor and that the loyalists are somehow bigger slaves to the him, than they are to the gods that literally own their souls
>>730725007One provides him with ships, weapons and logistic support, the other has 18 (formerly 20) replacements
The Emperor never existed. It's an imperial psyop.
>>730725007Is Games Workshop slowly redeeming themselves?They say No to AI Slop.https://www.ign.com/articles/warhammer-maker-games-workshop-bans-its-staff-from-using-ai-in-its-content-or-designs-says-none-of-its-senior-managers-are-currently-excited-about-the-tech
>>730725695They like the vibe.Also, those are vat-grown.Yes, they grow little braindead babies for the vibe.
>>730725335This is the reason. The Imperium is dependant on the Mechanicum so they turn a blind eye to a lot of their heresy. I'm convinced the blind eagle on the aquilla is actually meant to represent this.
>>730725401>Dragon?>What dragon? Then the dragon never wakes up or is alluded to again. The End.
>>730726208why would you think that a pozzslop company acting exactly like a pozzslop company indicates them redeeming themselves? literally makes no sense
>>730725173Faith and Psyker powers only get you so far against Planet Musk
>>730725287>Abbadon the Pants-soiler>Abbadon the Yee-yee>Abbadon the Armless>Abbadon the eternal cuck>Abbadon the Jobber>Abbadon the DWEEBShall I go on?
>>730725401It's actually an actual fucking C'Tan (the Void Dragon). They themselves aren't even aware of it.
>>730725173The emperor is the omnissiah though.
>>730726914He's an aspect/avatar of the Omnissiah
>>730726914He isn't, but the Imperium is not willing to argue the minutae of faith with the fucking AdMech.
>>730726914>tongue in cheek
>>730726208No AI is always good. Not nearly good enough for the company to be getting any brownie points mind you but it's a good start.
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>>730725287>bro I actually hate the chaos gods I'm only doing exactly what they want me to do because it's part if my long drawn out plan to save humanity that killed far more humans than anything that ever came before!People really take this shit seriously
>>730727196World's largest omelet. Frettin' over every egg?
>>730725149Guilliman isnt insane.
>>730725536Is this what happens in Lorgar's head? Does he sees himself as Guilliman's rival? All while being metaphorically and physically bitchslapped by everything and everyone he worships while having 1/10th the achievements of Guilliman.
>>730725287You mean Abaddon got humiliated by all those groups. The writers then had to pull him out of the 20 year deep hole they had written him into and exactly nobody takes him seriously anymore.
>>730725287>jobs for years>suddenly GW needs to sell more shit>writers go "eenie meenie minnie you're the biggest threat for the imperium">they pick abadon
>>730727124nothing is "always good". no rape is always good? yeah, except sometimes a little bit of rape is good. deal with it.
>>730727223stfu Yvraine
>>730725850No you see HE controls Chaos, unlike literally every other servant of Chaos before or after.And you wanna know what the worst part is? This is literal canon among the lead writers of the setting.
>>730726208Good
>>730727409Is it real canon or is it in-universe "canon"?
>40k game has chaos rep>it's chaos undivided I'm so glad newer games started to change this like with nurgle in Darktide and the Thousand Sons in SM2
>>730725007Mechanicum can do whatever the fuck they want because they are the spine of the Imperium. They are hard carrying humanity ever since the Big E "died".
>>730727492No, the actual writers of the setting have come out and confirmed that it isn't just Abbies delusion, he actually has the power in the relationship.
>>730725204Brooooooo
>>730726990>>730727154Technically the emperor isn't definitively the omnissiah, and not all within the mechanicus believe that the emperor is the omnissiah, but there are more that do believe it than don't. For all intents and purposes the imperium and the mechanicus worship the same entity.
>>730727565Look at that thing. It's barely human. As soon as The Empire stabilizes a little we are gonna talk about the mars "people" and their "god".
I hate primarchslop
>>730727398He isn't. He's probably the most sane person in the Imperium.
>>730727725Ohhhh buddy don't do that. Naaaaah man. Trust me on this one. I may be a tertiary who has a very surface level knowledge base on 40K, but this is not a good idea. Just let the little lies perpetrate the truth for the sake of humanity.
>>730725287Huron agrees
>>730727725>As soon as The Empire stabilizes a littleyeeeaaaaaaaa about that
>>730725287>his greatest victory actually empowers the emperorsince then: >gman has returned with a permakilling sword, and he's learned all the lessons from the heresy ad the scouring>nurgle got part of his garden glassed by the emperor>lion returned with a "fuck you" shield and shadow step abilities>angron got his teeth kicked in>cawl successfully time heisted necron knowledge and managed to make his own blackstone pylons>they worked and he closed a minor warp rift as a test run>another loyalist primarch probably on the way>also being clowned on by huron dailywhat makes abaddon even funnier is that he thinks he's the one using chaos and not that chaos is wearing him like a glove, as if any association with being such as them, while also being granted gifts by them and wielding their power doesn't come with a miles long contract with infinite binding clausesIn general chaos is a meme faction at this point, by all internal logic they should be taking loss after loss since they rely on surprise and betrayal and those things worked massively for them in the heresy, but that passed, everyone knows about them and is wise to their tricks, with loyalist primarchs being petulant children in 30k coming back in 40k wizened and ready for the challenges chaos throws their waypersonally I think it's time to just let them get creamed by all the factions that want them dealt with, sure not outright eliminated but thrashed into insignificance like the orks were by the end of the crusade, and the necrons and nyds pushed to the forefront as the new big bads
>be typhus >be a bitch
>>730727567He's just a shitter Archaon
>>730727879constantin valdor will put the star child in him brotrust the plan
>>730725007Warhammer 40k lore is so fascinating to me but I don't give a fuck about any of the games or the tabletop.I am the ultimate secondary, maybe until that 40k total war game comes out.
>>730727725>As soon as The Empire stabilizes a littleJust a few more years bro, hang in there...
>space dwarfs added>space skaven are getting added soonAre they adding space liggers too?
>>730727831No way, dude. He's a mockery of the perfect human form. These techno fetishist have denied their humanity for far too long. They replace their Emperor given flesh with cold soulless steel. Not to mention how arrogant they are. These mars heretics have been given too much leeway already. I say we take over technology and send them to the warp where they belong. We should blow up Mars.
>>730725007Mechanicum was politics. Lorgar was a disappointment.
>>730725149The Khan isn't insane. Vulkan is only insane because he keeps dying and regenerating, which fucks up his brain. Russ isn't insane. Corax doesn't seem insane, just emo. Sanguinius wasn't insane. Guilliman definitely isn't insane, because he's basically just a normal, well-adjusted dude in Primarch form. The Lion is autistic. Dorn is autistic. Ferrus was probably sane, but I don't know anything about him really (And like so many others, nearly forgot about him entirely).Chaos Primarchs are all various degrees of insane, but prior to their fall most of them were just assholes, egocentric or delusional
>read Dawn of Fire>Admech wants out of the imperium by going with a revolution>necrons fucking their collective assess hard>want Cawl on their side, but he went no way fag >maximum butthurt ensues
>>730725149There's a long history before the Emperor revealed himself that saw humanity develop an advanced society where AI and robots did all their work
>mechanicum acting up>emps coincidentally brings back the primarch that was given the "glass ad mech whenever you want" passhhmmmmm...
>>730728110>giving the not quite yet new warp god more warp juiceyeah thats not gonna backfire at all
>>730728234Now you hold your horses, mister.
>>730728483the star child half of his soul is practically a whole warp god at this point, it's more the star child consuming what's left of the old emperor
>>730725007>I AM NOT A GOD>wears golden armour>lived for millennia >strongest psyker in the setting>able to build bajillion dollar Custodes army plus Space Marines
>>730727725>Parks giant mechs outside your palaceBeep Boop mother fucker.
>>730725536>Lorgar>chadLaughingErebus.avif
>>730728209>space skaven are getting added soonsource?
>>730728602>makes every building look like a church
>>730728602I mean what is a god to be honest. Is having immense power alone make you a god? The Eldar Gods were gods but they also can be kill by stronger warp entities like the Chaos Gods. Meanwhile the Chaos Gods aren't anything more than emotions given thought but still chasing after their base desire. Fabius is sorta right in this regard, you can acknowledge something is powerful but to worship them as all knowing god is something else.
>>730725536Even more funnier because the Imperial Fists got wiped out and became extremely irrelevant while the Iron Warriors just disappeared and were never relevant again in the modern 40k setting.
>>730728891Hey man, pointed arches and towers are cool.
>>730728602>>wears golden armournot a sign of godhood, only tackiness>>lived for millenniaso does many people in the setting>>strongest psyker in the settingstrongest psyker alive in the setting>>able to build bajillion dollar Custodes army plus Space Marinesshit's easy when you use the golden age of mankind's leftovers
>>730725149He's actually a personification of God of Order. Which is why all Chaos Gods seethe over his very existence.
Custodes are so fucking stupid. They cost as much as a Warlord Titan to make but there is no scenario in a galaxy at war where a single Custodes would provide more return on investment than a Warlord Titan.Imagine if the Emperor had rolled up on Horus with 100 Warlord Titans instead.
>>730725287Abaddon got beaten by an old man with a pointy stick.
>>730729034>strongest psyker alive in the settingHas there ever been a psyker stronger than Big E was? The Old Ones could hardly have been on his level, else how the hell could they have died off
>>730729064Aren't the Chaos Gods really looking forward to him turn into the 5th Chaos Gods and end the universe with them withit?
Gork, and MorkWinning dah Great Game.
>>730725007The Mechanicum is a vital asset to the Imperium unlike Lorgar.
>>730729196Chaos is terrified of him. They call him Anathema. They also really don't want the universe to end, because they're manifestations of the emotions and thoughts that comes from beings with souls. the Chaos gods are sustained by what happens in the physical universe, so they're much more interested in an eternal stalemate
>>730729193The Old Ones were definately stronger than Big E. The problem was that their enemies was the C'Tan, their polar opposite which reduce their number to a dozen and then the enslavers killed the rest. They basically got fucked over by the 2 races that actually counter psychic power.
>>730729193>Has there ever been a psyker stronger than Big E was?Big E's actually pretty mid-tier when it comes to the actual big psykers.Old Ones had genuine hax and had to be hard-countered by anti-Warp tech, and Eldar at their peak were moving around celestial bodies just by thinking while also being genuinely unkillable super-wizards.The Emperor gets WAY overblown for what he really was during the Heresy.
>>730729257Funny how these 2 are more powerful than the chaos gods combined yet all they do is fight each other (and smack the shit out of anyone messing with their orks from time to time).
>>730729196No? The game would end. If the Emperor went full off Chaos God(The Black King) it would destroy everything. There would be no chaos in the galaxy/universe to fuel the Warp/Chaos Gods. Because everything is dead as fuck. It's the same reason why 3 of the Gods have and will team up to take down the 4th one who got too powerful. They do NOT want the "Great Game" to end.
>>730729193Old ones, Eldar, Necrons and the Krorks all played on an entirely different playing field than 40k, 30k or even the golden age of mankind, where humanity was at its zenith
>>730729401No, Chaos doesn't care about whether the universe end or not. It's Chaos nature to be self-destruct, there is no sustainability, just consume until nothing left. The key aspect of Chaos is the lack of restrain and excessive.
>>730729447>That story where they showed up and bullied Nurgle
>>730729510The 4 don't care. They just didn't want the other guys to win. To them, if the universe would end, it should be them who kill it, not the other guys. It not that they were afraid that the Great Game would end but more that they afraid it would end with the one they hate ending it all. Chaos generally is about uncontrollable, unrestrait and excess to the point of self-destruction.
>>730729407>The Old Ones were definately stronger than Big EDefinitely? Do we know enough about their individual power to say definitely?>The problem was that their enemies was the C'TanSo is a C'Tan more powerful than The Emperor was?>Big E's actually pretty mid-tier when it comes to the actual big psykers.>mid-tierLet's not get crazy now, anon. Even if the Old Ones were stronger, that wouldn't make him mid-tier
>>730729407>>730729429This sounds like Xeno propaganda.
>>730729193>Has there ever been a psyker stronger than Big E was? For all intents and purposes, no one outside the War in Heaven mythos since even Eldrad fears his psychic prowess and overall genius.
>>730729735I never say he was mid-tier, Ahriman is considerate high tier and he isn't even on the Emperor level. The C'Tan however is the antithesis of the Warp, they were basically gods of reality. The Warp do harm them but they can also harm the Warp in return too.
>>730729531That is wrong. They DO "care" about the life within the universe existing or not.If there are no mortal being in reality, there are no "chaotic" actions of excess that fuel their very existence.Chaos wants to spread chaos across the universe to empower themselves.Tyranids want to consume it all, not Chaos.
>>730729512>EldarNo Eldar has been a greater psyker than The Emperor, and you see that in how Chaos treated him when he was still walking around. Someone like Eldrad isn't even close. It's just not happening
>>730728814Get up.
>>730729401Chaos can just find other galaxies to deal with
>>730729614If the Orkz won, I wonder if clever, more practical and tactical Orkz would evolve into a more humanesque Krork society while the more British Orkz evolved into a different kind of Krork. Then they duke it out forever.
>>730729735The Emperor is mid-tier on the wider scale of the entire galactic history.Something funny to remember is that the Horus Heresy is often portrayed as the biggest and most impactful conflict in HUMAN history, but it's little more than two kids splashing in a kiddie pool compared to the absolute esoteric clusterfuck that was the War In Heaven.The only reason the Imperium even exists is because all the other big major players in the galaxy have imploded on their own, and if the Emperor tried to pull his bullshit off back when the Eldar Empire existed they would have torn him to literal shreds in less than a day.
>>730729531>No, Chaos doesn't care about whether the universe end or notYou could not be more wrong. They don't exist without the universe. It's laughable to think that a god of war would want the universe to end. Or that a god of constant flux and change would want everything to be nothing Or that a god of literal sensation would want all sensation to cease. Even Nurgle, the one most associated with death, is heavily tied to the idea of life and growth. He straight up has a garden he tends to. You're completely wrong
Big E shackled and dabbed on a major and one of the strongest Necron "gods"He is not and never mid-tier, he's literally Old Ones/Slann tier
>>730729735>So is a C'Tan more powerful than The Emperor wasYes. A full C'Tan will absolutely smash the Emperor flat. He struggled against the Void Dragon, who was at this point already missing a bunch of pieces of himself, and could only seal him within Mars.
>>730729890>No Eldar has been a greater psyker than The Emperor, and you see that in how Chaos treated him when he was still walking aroundThe Chaos Gods never even tried to influence the Eldar since they knew it wouldn't work. It took sixty million years of straight Eldar dominance for them to become bored enough for Slaanesh to start influencing them.Meanwhile the Chaos Gods had the Emperor beaten and crippled in less than 300 years.
>>730729861>The C'Tan however is the antithesis of the Warp, they were basically gods of reality. The Warp do harm them but they can also harm the Warp in return too.Yeah, but would a pre-shard C'Tan beat The Emperor in a 1v1?
>>730729881No, it literally in the Chaos rule book. Chaos doesn't seek eternal existence, they want total destruction of reality. They want to end everything, including themselves.
>>730729890Eldrad was only alive in the Eldar's golden age, he wasn't their best psyker, but with everyone else killed off the title fell to himJust like Vect, who was a slave in the eldar's golden age
>>730729890Eldrad was some rando during the Eldar Empire. Any actual psyker of the era would dab on him.
>>730730153>Big E shackled and dabbed on a major and one of the strongest Necron "gods"He beat a schizophrenic splintered shard of one. That's a somewhat common occurence even for non-psykers in modern 40k.
The Emperor hid in his cuckbox in Nepal when peak humanity was fighting for its very existence against le bad AI with Valdor being his first successful gene therapy experiment after humanity + xenos beat the bad AI.
>>730730153a fragment of one, a sizable one sure but still a fragment
>>730730104>The Emperor is mid-tier on the wider scale of the entire galactic history.According to what?>Something funny to remember is that the Horus Heresy is often portrayed as the biggest and most impactful conflict in HUMAN history, but it's little more than two kids splashing in a kiddie pool compared to the absolute esoteric clusterfuck that was the War In Heaven.True, but that doesn't mean any singular psyker has been stronger than Big E>and if the Emperor tried to pull his bullshit off back when the Eldar Empire existed they would have torn him to literal shreds in less than a day.But that's not because any Eldar would be stronger than The Emperor, but because their empire was vastly greater than the Imperium is. The Emperor is unique, and I have seen nothing in the lore that suggests otherwise. If I recall, In the current lore right before/during his duel with Horus, The Emperor was capable of absorbing so much warp energy that he would've basically become a Chaos god in one fell swoop, but pulled himself back from doing it because he would transform into a huge, insane asshole like the other four
Just put the Dunecrawler in the bag, techie.
It's because Lorgar was useless. Mechanicum were essential because of their tech. Lorgar performance in conquering was abysmal.
>>730730653actually from what I remember, the worlds he took became some of the most loyal. The issue is he took fucking forever in taking a single one.
Everything is Magnus' fault.
>>730730653Lorgar used words to conquest people' s hearts. Yes his record was abysmal but he was going for quality over quantity. His worlds were exceptional loyal and zealous compare to the worlds that begruntly joined the Imperium through normal conquest.
>>730730653>Lorgar performance in conquering was abysmal.actually no, apparently he was the third most successful one, mainly due to being one of the larger legions and generally being on the diplomacy end, the problem was that he was slow since he wanted to convert people into his "dad is Nº1!" religion
>>730730196>The Chaos Gods never even tried to influence the Eldar since they knew it wouldn't workThe Eldar ruled before the Eye of Terror, since they spawned it, so Chaos didn't even have the ability to influence the galaxy like they can in 40k. The Eldar were also made to be resistant against the Warp, but again, that's their entire species. The Emperor is on a completely different level in comparison to regular humans. No Chaos god has ever been shown to fear an individual Eldar or call any of them anathema. Chaos is straight up confirmed to have feared him even in his human form. He could perma-kill demons by his presence alone. I think you're really, really underselling him
>>730730550>According to what?Old Ones wiling life into beingand molding by thinking about them.The Eldar ruling the galaxy for sixty million years uncontested while going around and terraforming planets through sheer willpower.The Emperor could barely get a functioning Webway Gate working even with an Eldar one to work off of, meanwhile Old Ones literally made the Webway and Eldar tended to and modified it in their absence.Again, the old Pre-Slaanesh Eldar could literally will themselves back to life after dying because their souls were just that powerful in the Warp.Yeah in terms of modern 40k nobody is really on the Emperor's level, but in the broader scale he's not nearly as grand.
>>730725401>I have no idea how GW is going to write their way through this shitWhy do you expect them to write a solution to it? It's the same as expecting them to bring an end to the Necrons when they are fully awakened and have become rulers of the galaxy.
>>730730925>>730730927So he was slower and achieved it in the one way that Big E hated the most - religious propaganda. If he was faster and basically outperformed other Primarchs, E would turn a blind eye to it.
>>730729983You said the universe, not the galaxy. And no, they still don't want him to fully ascend becasue he is dangerous to them. He recently permanently hurt Nurgle by blasting Mortarion, destroying some of his garden
Chaos would be way more interesting if it wasn't all marine crap
>>730729114if magnus and/or leman didn't share a single braincell the emperor could have jumped horus with 10,000 custodians and however many sisters of silence he had at the time
>Arguing about power scaling.>In WarhammerNagash beats 40k by himself.
>>730730164>Yes. A full C'Tan will absolutely smash the Emperor flat.Where is that confirmed?>He struggled against the Void DragonHas it been stated that he struggled? How exactly were the C'Tan sharded by the Necrons anyway, if they were so powerful. The Nightbringer ate so many of them that he should've been unstoppable, right
>>730731050yes, thats kinda the point why he was bitchslaped
>>730731038>rulers of the galaxyAs soon as they kill everyone they go back to sleep
>>730730220>They want to end everything, including themselves.Just as planned.
>>730731209Nagash was WEEEEEAAAAAAAAK
>>730731050He was also hate being a general. He was more into diploma and religion that warfare. Really a lot of primarch have their own passion that simply wasn't compatible with the Emperor:>Perp is all about democracy and buidling stuffs but he got the job of tearing stuffs down>Khan just want to kill Ork and hate politic Big E expect loyal general but years in foreign planet forged his sons into something more than what he designed them to be.
>>730731212>Has it been stated that he struggled? How exactly were the C'Tan sharded by the Necrons anyway, if they were so powerfulBecause the Necrons were and still are absolute bullshit? There is still a Necron artifact out there that can just blow up literally any star in the galaxy at will.
>>730731130The whole of the Hersey boils down to autism and daddy issues.
>>730731304
>>730730250>>730730352Are you guys basing this on anything that's been shown n the fluff? Because I may be ignorant about it
>>730731212The Nightbringer inflict the fear of death upon the whole universe. One C'Tan death basically shattered a law of the universe and that resulting in the Flayer Ones (which was also why the Necron just sealed them away rather than outright destroy them)
>>730730196I can't believe the Emperor of Mankind is such a little bitch jobbing on every opportunity!
>>730731324>>Perp is all about democracy and buidling stuffs but he got the job of tearing stuffs downPerturabo COULD have built all the stuff he wanted he simply didn't want to. His passion isn't archit, it's bitching about how he's not allowed to do architecture.>Calliphone went on. 'For a long time, I thought you a fool to follow the Emperor. After all, he is a tyrant like all the rest. Look what he has done to you, I thought. He has brutalised you, and your wars have brutalised your home. But the truth is, brother, I have followed your campaigns carefully, and I noticed a pattern that disturbed and then alarmed me. Always you do things the most difficult way, and in the most painful manner. You cultivate a martyr's complex, lurching from man to man, holding out your bleeding wrists so they might see how you hurt yourself. You brood in the shadows when all you want to do is scream, 'Look at me!' You are too arrogant to win people over through effort. You expect people to notice you there in the half-darkness, and point and shout out, 'There! There is the great Perturabo! See how he labours without complaint!'
>>730731324>>730731352They aren't even his kids. They are tube babies. Of course they are fucked up. Their mere existence is anti-natural. The Emperor is a fucking psychopath.
>>730731508He probably had plans to mold the tube babies into loyal meathead but the scattering fuck that up by giving them actual personalities and the ability to think for themselves (well most of them anyway) so the loyal meathead plan failed.
>>730725536The sad thing about Lorgar is that Gorillaman never hated him and he was always convinced he did.Also fuck Chaos
>>730731209>keeps losing to a bunch of unorganized selfish rats
>/tg/ thread in /v/ #13,274
>>730731636Yeah, Gulliman actually saw the good things that Lorgar did in conquesting by diplomatic mean rather than conquest. Gulliman like Lorgar because like him, he is a nation builder rather than a conqueror.
>>730731643That only happened in End Times, and only then because the Rats got absurdly meta-breaking plot powers.In AoS he made all four Chaos Gods shit themselves at the same time just by standing up.
>>730731636Now add a panel where they all lose their shit at someone saying "The Emperor protects." because he worships an uncaring cruel and manipulative false god.Indeed, fuck chaos.
>>730731245Weren't they only waiting for the Aeldari to weaken because they were too strong at that point? Why would they go back to sleep if they can rule now?
>>730731017>The Emperor could barely get a functioning Webway Gate working even with an Eldar one to work off of, meanwhile Old Ones literally made the Webway and Eldar tended to and modified it in their absence.Like you said, the Eldar didn't figure it out on their own. That was given to them by the Old Ones, and we have no idea how long the Old Ones spent on developing it. The Old Ones had plenty of time to do uncontested research in the galaxy, and they spent who knows how long doing experiments. The Emperor didn't have that luxury at all, and had to solve a lot more problems with a lot less resources. It's not like they were infallible, as they constantly dropped their creations and moved onto the next because they didn't like the resultsThere's no question that the Eldar was more powerful than the Imperium by far, and the same goes for each individual, but that doesn't mean any of them were individually more powerful than the Emperor>Again, the old Pre-Slaanesh Eldar could literally will themselves back to life after dying because their souls were just that powerful in the Warp.And the Emperor is in all likelihood a perpetual himself. It's pretty much confirmed by Vulkan's existence>Yeah in terms of modern 40k nobody is really on the Emperor's level, but in the broader scale he's not nearly as grand.Again, I haven't actaully seen any lore that says that. Not that I refuse to believe it, just that the lore continually seems to reinforce that he was very special
>>730727543I am just happy Tzeentch finally gets the spotlight in videogames. Like in Rogue Trader.
>>730731897From what I understand it was the combined forces of Aeldari and Krorks that forced them into sleep mode.
>>730732050I am so sick and tired of Nurgle being spammed everywhere. I bet because he's the safest and easiest to use.
>Warhammer devolved into DBZ-tier powerlevel wankery, feminism and unwinnable conditions with extremely overpowered factions where defeating them by the Imperium of Man would require a completely bullshit plot turn
>>730725007>United humanity >Hates the idea of even being diefied >Everything he did was for the greater good of humanity as a wholeBig E is good in my book.
>>730731330Through technology, sure. The Emperor is also stated to have the ability to blow up starts, though. I'll grant you that if anyone in the physical universe was capable of 1v1 The Emperor, it would probably be the C'tan, if the anti-warp pylons are anything to go on. Still, we know that even the strongest nulls didn't seem to affect the Emperor, only that they could see through his glamour, so who knows how much juice it would take to nullify him
>>730725287>Jobbaddon
>>730731967You won't find lore comparing Old Ones or Pre-Fall Eldar to the Emperor because GW doesn't like talking about what other factions were doing before the Great Crusade.The point stands however that even at Mankind's height during the DAOT, the Emperor didn't reveal himself since the Eldar were still at full strength, with the underlying implication that if he tried to pull his plan off it wouldn't have worked. Considering the Eldar were the only other major power at the time, that means they were the ones who would have stopped him.
>>730731445That doesn't explain how they were capable of sharding him. Maybe he took a big nap after his C'tan meal?
>>730732132I thought Corn is the easiest. Because MURDER DEATH KILL faction makes for a very easy antagonist. Nurgle is fun if you want a zombie apocalypse and Tzeench is appropriate when you feel like going Lovecraft.
>>730732132Many Anons love feet smell and farts, they probably think serving Nurgle is just having Ultra AIDS and huffing delicious female farts all day.
>>730731897A couple of reason:>Too exhausted after sealing way their gods as despite winning again the C'Tan, they also lost a huge chunk of their population>The war ended up draining most life in the galaxy which make their goal of finding a compatible organic body difficultSo go sleeping was to wait for the galaxy to replenish life so they can one day find the way to turn back to organic.
>>730732224or maybe with humanity at it's zenith his plans were different, maybe he was some kind of corpo overlord or techbro pushing technological advancements, and then it all went tits upmaybe they'll retcon it to have been vashtorr's doing
>>730725007>I am gonna murder 100 billlion loyal Imperium citizens to teach you a lesson!They evacuated the entire city before destroying it, stop watching sloptubers.
Reminder that Servitors do not have personalities, despite what tertiary video game media tries to meme.
>>730732350Khorn is too bloody and violent for the pussy modern world, and China hates skulls. I wish Darktide used Tzeench instead of Nurgle. Would have been awesome and unique. Slaanesh would have been better, but they are never going to use him/her/it. >>730732354I hate toilet humor and gross things so much, bro.
>>730732224>The point stands however that even at Mankind's height during the DAOT, the Emperor didn't reveal himself since the Eldar were still at full strength, with the underlying implication that if he tried to pull his plan off it wouldn't have worked. Considering the Eldar were the only other major power at the time, that means they were the ones who would have stopped him.Again, I was talking about The Emperor as an individual psyker. We know the Eldar empire was likely greater at its height than humanity. We also don't know that that was the reason, because numerous factors could've been at play. He might not have been able to unite humanity while so many of the individual human empires were so powerful due to their technology. He might have been planning to do something, but was forced into action by The Age of Strife, Who knows, really
>>730732263The C'Tan also grow to be insane after cannibalize each other so that could help. We also know that the C'tan are weak to the Warp energy as they are antithesis to each other. We know that the Void Dragon last battle before he appear on Earth as a shard was with a fleet of Black Stone Fortress which equiped with Warp cannon.
>>730732263>That doesn't explain how they were capable of sharding himActually that was Khaine on that one. Him and the Nightbringer fought, and Khaine hit him so hard it made him literally explode. A piece of shrapnel actually got lodged in Khaine's body, which is what led to the eventual creation of the Dark Reapets.The Nightbringer himself 'survived' but was forced to move into another, weaker body afterwards.This is also why Slaanesh couldn't kill Khaine during the Fall of the Eldar, since Khaine had already beaten Death itself.
>>730729114Their power levels are super inconsistent. In one story a squad of them kills literally millions of Tyranids and a Swarm Lord, basically taking out a small Tyranid Hive Fleet by themselves.In another story, a trio of Harlquin's killed 300 of them with zero effort after breaking into the Imperial Palace to remind the Emperor that Chaos exists. Just one of those Harlqeuins could have killed every Custodes in the universe, no diff.Utter shit.
>>730732676I like that. Actually gives Khaine a victory in the story, making him seem like less of a bitch. Is it new lore?
>>730725287>all these asshurt replieslmao
>>730732661>We also know that the C'tan are weak to the Warp energy as they are antithesis to each other.Shouldn't that make them resistant to the warp though?
>>730732793It's from the Eldar mythology. However it's mythology so who know what is really true.
>>730732793It's an older minor blurb I think, based on Eldar myth regarding the War In Heaven.
>>730732862No, basically the C'Tan were being of hard reality while the Warp is anti-reality so they just don't mix. One can hurt the other but it go both ways.
>>730728338>Russ isn't insane.Worse, he's retarded.
>>730731509I think this is honestly just because Emps held his sons to a higher standard, and hence couldn't accept Lorgar's fanatical devotion the same way he accepted the mechanicum's.
>>730732992>>730732862A good example of this is something similar in Arcanum:>Technology work on reenforce the rule of reality so it weaken any magic near it as magic is all about weaken the rule of reality>Magic in turn can also weaken technology on the same principle. Technology need the rule of reality to work correctly and magic weaken those rules.
>Eldarfags in the threadEldar were losing to DAOT Humans. A basic DAOT ship recovered during the Great Crusade completely and utterly countered an Eldar fleet sent to ambush it, and Humans had already been pushing the borders of the Eldar Empire back.Eldar have only ever been 'strong' when literally nobody else is around.
>>730733209>>Russ isn't insane.>Worse, he's retarded.Worse, he's being retarded on purpose.
>>730733315>He's being retarded on purpose.The Wolves claim that, but then he does shit like fight a fellow Primarch for three days because he killed a guy he called dibs on.I'm sure, like an Ork, he can occasionally be brutally cunning, but I don't by that he's pretending to be retarded.
>>730733252The eldar during the golden age of mankind were the decadent BDSM enthusiasts, not the ones from 60 million years ago
>>730733252Everyone loses to DAoT Humanity.Its why the Emperor, if you believe he existed prior to, waited until humanity fell to begin conquering it.
>>730733224Funny how they send wizards to special little wooden cars like tied to a rope to the actual train they want ride. Else the train would simply not work with the wizard riding it.
>>730725007Whats the deal with 40k?I’m trying to get into it, but its so unsatisfying from a story perspective.Mind, I’m a big fantasy guy and a chaos/evil race player.40k though, namely the imperium, is so ugh. I know there’s no good guy races in 40k and thats the point, but chaos legit seems just like a sidegrade to the empire. Like in fantasy, i dont like the empire but i get the appeal. Normal people banding together to protect home and life. I have no idea of the appeal of imperial guard because youre more likely to be shot by your commander than you are the enemy. And its not like the spave marines are better. They’re not heroic or anything.I say this all as a chaos guy (which is the minority) because what good is being a villain without heroes to fight?Fighting the imperium is the same vibe as chaos infighting or so.This is just the surface of my issues with the setting.I have no idea how 40k is so popular.
>>730733559>not the ones from 60 million years agoThe ones who failed to protect the Old Ones and then failed to defeat the Necrons?
>>730733761>Whats the deal with 40k?Largely, just people buying into it trying too hard to be 90s Cool/Edgy.Occasionally, you see people who either through kayfabe or genuine retardation think the Imperium are the good guys. Especially if they use the reasoning that "They're human, I'm human." Or think that forces fighting to uphold a brutal tyranny that is slowly killing humanity are "noble."But, I used to like it, and have slowly become disenchanted with the setting.
>>730733950Failing to kill the god slaying machines and their materium gods that required a combined effort of you, your creators, and a doomsday species that knows only war is hardly the gotcha you think it is
Tau friends, how's your game?
>>730734193It means they're failures, they've always been failures, and now they're going to die and go extinct as failures.>>730734212>Tau friends, how's your game?As laughably shit as their mediocre faction.
>>730733761>I have no idea of the appeal of imperial guard because youre more likely to be shot by your commander than you are the enemy.Depends on the regiment, commissar and where you are at the time. The appeal is that there is some wickedly fucked up shit out there in the galaxy that wants humanity dead, and that the Imperial Guard holding the line is keeping humanity alive. The scale is much better than in Fantasy, so each individual life is worth less, and humanity doesn't even have an equivalent of the Lizardmen or Dwarfs to take some of the load/actually help. The Eldar are also much more hostile and weak than the High Elves>And its not like the spave marines are better. They’re not heroic or anything.Some of them are very heroic. Some of them are straight up humanitarian, like the Salamanders Lamenters and proabbly Space Wolves. Plenty of the chapters are sensible and will give their lives for the Imperium after lifetimes of constant war>Fighting the imperium is the same vibe as chaos infighting or so.It isn't. Chaos is so, so much worse than the Imperium that it isn't even close. Chaos will literally eat your soul or torture it for eternity. You can at least be sure that The Emperor actually wants humanity to live and is in constant agony because of it. It's just everyone trying to make the best out of a bad situation. It's also not all grimdark, as there are places where life is acceptable and sometimes straight up good
>>730734094>Especially if they use the reasoning that "They're human, I'm human."I dare you to name 1(one) flaw with this logic. You can't.
>>730734462They are human only in form.They are, to a man, less than. Wretched creatures twisted in mind into ravening beasts that worship a corpse.The kin are more human than the Imperium.
>>730734094>just spent $40 on 40k games (i just realize the coincidental joke now) to try to get into the setting, mainly for total war since im a fan of that>realize now I intrinsically just dont like the setting.Guess I should return them or something. Dawn of war is fun independently though
>>730734439Your first 2 points are entirely ‘exceptions dont make the rule’.Also the scale that large is abominable imo and utterly nullifies your point about singular good people/regiments.I was being hyperbolic on the last one. Chaos is worse, but the imperium winning isnt a happy ending either.Not to mention from what I gather, the imperium is like 85% of the galactic map, and every other race has a small corner or pocket, its so skewed.
>>730734094If you're a human then there really isn't any alternative to the Imperium, though. Even going with someone like Tau can end up damning your soul, depending on what happens to the average human once they die, even outside of the warp or without pledging themselves to Chaos. It's possible that all souls get eaten by Chaos when they die, and in that case it's also possible that faith The Emperor might actually allow him to save it. The fact is that The Emperor is the only one who is entirely in your corner, and he doesn't find the Imperium any more desirable than you do
>>730734439>The Eldar are also much more hostile and weak than the High ElvesI am still amused/annoyed that unlike that unlike in Fantasy, the Imperium and the Eldar and incapable of forming a lasting alliance. I guess GW wanted to avoid a cliche of "humans and elves always work together", but it's getting ridiculous, given that the Imperium and the Eldar are the natural allies, but they keep fighting over some random shit, while their common enemies keep playing them like a fiddle.
She will take the MC spot after Titus falls of & you cannot stop her.
>>730731212>How exactly were the C'Tan sharded by the Necrons anyway, if they were so powerfulNecrons stabbed C'tan in the back, build great superweapons and then turned them on C'tan. Despite unleashing all their superweapons with advantage of complete suprise still Necrons got badly beaten and lost all their cool stuff.
>>730734867>If you're a human then there really isn't any alternative to the Imperium, though.Wait till Lion finally establishes the 40k Bretonnia. Because GW has an idea what to do with Lion, right? Right?
>>730734842>but the imperium winning isnt a happy ending either.Why not? If the Imperium won, as in destroyed all their enemies, then most of the reason why it's as grimdark as it is will be gone. The Imperium is in a constant struggle to survive on an endless amount of fronts, with millions of planets that need to be taken into consideration. But all that would be much more managble if just half the shit it has to deal with would disappear. With the return of the Primarch Guilliman, you can also bet he'd focus on improving quality of life were he not in a constant struggle. The Imperium winning would definitely make a happy ending possible
>>730727223But he is depressed and suicidal
>>730735230He's got Yvrainne. He'll be fine.
>>730735285i don't think leaving the suicidal primarch with a follower of the god of death to be a wise idea
>>730734963>but it's getting ridiculous, given that the Imperium and the Eldar are the natural allies, but they keep fighting over some random shitImperium is xenophobic as fuck, they will wipe out even peace loving aliens who would like to share their advanced tech with humanity to make galaxy better place because Suffer not the alien to live, also they would destroy alien tech because it's tainted by xenos.Eldar on other hand are still in kind of denial about losing rule over galaxy,while they understand they lost it and are fucked beyond belief by Slaanesh, they still have ego fit for unquestioned rulers of galaxy, they see humans as chimps with machine guns, while eldar are enlightened thinkers and life of 1 eldar is worth more than lives of 10000 human.Both sides are hostile toward other species and think they own the galaxy, only thing that tie Imperium and Eldar together is absolute hatered of Chaos.
Refute this Imperium & Chaos dogs
>>730735396>only thing that tie Imperium and Eldar together is absolute hatered of ChaosAnd the Necrons.And the C'Tan.And the Tyranids.And the Orks.And the Dark Eldar.They have some common talking points.Also, elves has the Webway tech, humans have numbers. "We'll protect your Craftworlds if you help us estaliblish our own Webway so we don't have to rely on Warp travel" is such an obvious sales pitch.
>>730735474He says this while the ethereal caste holds his leash.
>>730735586yes
>>730735474caste drone says what?
Why are tbe tyranids so broken
>>730734972what the fuck am i looking at
>>730735848they are genetic perfectionthey even breed lesser races to be more like them as an act of dominance
>>730732676>>730732793Keep in mind Khaine was getting a his ass whooped and only got by with a last second hit when Night was tangible and he only knew about that weakness from cegorach
>>730735851Female Custode that is canon.
>>730732354Delicious female farts
>>730735908I never could wrap my head around Genestealers. Like, I get the concept (GW just wanted to rip off The Thing), but it's such a bizarre execution of an idea.
>>730736165Why?
>>730736031Haha, nice DEIfied shittasy you've got there! Does the newest game come with estradiol tablets included? I don't think you can play it without trooning out at the same time.
>>730736196I dunno. The idea is just... weird. I can't put my finger on it.
>>730725287Chaos is the imperium with more eyes and tentacles.
>>730731816
>>730731775>In AoS he made all four Chaos Gods shit themselves at the same time just by standing up.proofs?
>Still no decently written Warmaster Sanguinius (not fallen to chaos) fic.It's just not fair Baalbros.
>>730733761>I’m trying to get into it, but its so unsatisfying from a story perspective.That sucks for you. I read 1 book (Horus Rising) and I was insta hooked. Now at book 46 of HH
>>730736165Theyre like a vassal race for tyranids, yes?Never really understood it either.
>>730736282Yeah but the Emperor actually has good intentions. He's 100% team humanity
what new army would you like nexthard more: no imperium or chaos based army
>>730736165They used to be their own thing in the original Rogue Trader but were retconned to be the forefront force of the Tyranids. Kind of a misstep if you ask me. The Genestealer should've been either their own independent thing or far more directly connected to the Tyranids.
>>730728920God is a concept of normal people with little power over the world around them in the grand sense.In the personal sense, God is a concept of hope in a fickle reality that leaves no good deed undone and no bad deed unrewarded. The world of 40K is bleak as is on the tin can, but in spite of it all, most of the Imperium to consider the Master of Mankind as a loving righteous individual, and for some, The Emperor's Love is all they need to wake up another day and go to work. For in a Galaxy beset by horrors, Spiritual Hope is as good a coping mechanism as any.
>>730736521Yeah, like I said, a misstep. Because Genestealers being a homing beacon for Tyranids seems like a complete waste of their potential and role as the subversive wing of their "faction."
>>730736561A brand new Necron dynasty, with new models.
>>730735585Well alongside hating all of above in addition Imperium hates Eldar and Eldar hates the Imperium.>"We'll protect your Craftworlds if you help us estaliblish our own Webway so we don't have to rely on Warp travel" is such an obvious sales pitch.Nobody in Imperium cares about webway and any Imperial would gladly blow up any craftworld, just it's dificult to do, unless it's book written by Gav.
>>730736562Yeah, it does feel like they were tacked onto the Tyranids. Because logically, why should the space bugs even give a fuck about all this subterfuge, when they can just overwhelm literally any target in the galaxy with sheer numbers? They are bugs.
>>730734972Bro Titus just got an entire campaign focused on him being a Captain again.He's not falling off any time soon.
>>730729614Drawfags, please draw Gork and Mork giving Nurgle a noogie. Maybe a swirly too.
sup
>>730736689They're also meant to prepare the world for Tyranid arrival by subverting society, so that they will face less resistance when they come to harvest the biomass
>essentially a sex cult>no discord because hive-minded>wholesome and lovable people>praise the four armed emperor>immune to chaosmaybe this is best for humanity?https://files.catbox.moe/1pf4we.jpeg
>>730731643https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od1jsje-ezo
>>7307364382nd Edition AoS was about Nagash setting off a magical nuke and eating several afterlives to become an ascendent Death God, with everyone else getting a taste of the radiation.For the Chaos Gods that was each of them getting hit by a vision of Nagash's ideal world; where everything is essentially in perfect stasis as unmoving, bloodless, emotionless, and lifeless undead. This stood in contrast to all of them at once, to their abject horror.
>>730736737>any Imperial would gladly blow up any craftworld, just it's dificult to doYou just have to think big.
>>730736776They're highly adaptive and rapidly evolving. Also, the hive-mind itself is conscious in a way. I can see it wanting to fuck other races for the hell of it but to also see the limits of their genetic potential.
>>730729114They guard the most precious asset the entire Imperium has, the Emperor himself. They are immortal as well so a single Custode can live for 10k years or more, it is absolutely worth it. What's not worth it is making femtodes.
>>730725287>Shits and pisses himself when facing an elderly a d decrepit Sigismund Abaddon will always be a bitch. His shit with Cadia only worked due to sheer dumb attrition seeing as he tried 12 times before
>>730737227Chaos needs a new championA true champion
>>730736282Image is wrong. Dark Eldar fight for himself, he is under someone superior for protection, because shanking one gang mamber trigger gang response, but are under no illusion that guy above them will sacrafice them without second thought and guy under them is planning how to overtake them. Every dark eldar after all is planning how to overthrow and take position of dude in higher position.They 100% know they are assholes and know they can't trust members of their own race. Only 3 trusted types in dark eldar society are alien mercenaris because they are not dark eldar and are prized as bodyguards, Incubi because they are super autistic about discipline so they likely won't backstab you just make you pay extra for it, and haemonculli because they are weirdo so thei will keep their word for shit and giggles(untill they don't or decide that way you blinked offended them and now it's their life purpose to fuck you up in worst way they can imagine).
