Why is this games fan base so adverse to pvp? I don't understand why someone would purchase an extraction shooter and then whine about and even go so far as to ask for the removal of pvp elements.
You sound upset
>>730731318Imagine the thrill of joining a pvpve shooting game...and not shooting anyone. The wholesomeness levels are off the charts
haven't played since early decemberthe mechanics were just mid for pvp, best pvp guns could shred you too fast, free kits were just a constant resource drain on everyone
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>>730731318You like the current, modern landscape of PvP shooting? I've grown sick and tired of it
>>730731648No, but, I enjoy the simple and rather forgiving PVP in Arc Raiders. Even if I didn't enjoy the PVP, I wouldnt buy a video game with PVP elements and then ask for it to be removed entirely because I don't like getting killed.
>>730731648/v/ is awesome. Someone will make a post about something and some mong will make a reply just to miss the point just to talk about how he doesn't like modern gaming. Truly spectacular.
>>730732580>Why is this games fan base so adverse to pvp?
this game is so fucking trash dog
>>730731318Extraction shooters can be PVE only.
>>730731318PVP is dogshit in this game, no point in running anything other than free kits and blast everyone in sight, and if i wanted to PvP i'd play one of the many actualy good PvP games out thereThe real problem are the rats but that's not an Arc specific problem
>>730732782You type like a white guy who yearns to be a nigger yet is to scared to commit to being a wigger, never reply to my threads again. Away with you.
>>730733070yo u finna be boutta be a mentalist or something aiiiiiight thats straight i respect that cuh ong
>>730731318it's averse, retard
>>730731318probably the same pussies that complain about invasion in From gamesthey want all the reward with no risk or compromise
>>730733137Holy shit, you're right, I HAVE TO KILL MYSELF!!
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Arc Raiders is the natural conclusion of the SBMM era, where a multi-game world champion gets banned for being too damn good. A game for man-sized children.
What's the point of PvP when two of the three best guns in the game are free to instantly obtain and everything that takes a slight modicum of effort to obtain is actually worse?Do you really like having the same shootouts with the same fucking weapons against people with free/empty kits and no loot, over and over and over again?
>>730731318It's the redditors. Arc Raiders has the reddit approved "sci-fi apocalypse" theme. So they flocked to it but are too soft to put up with PVP combat and only want simple game play loops of stealing shit and killing robots.
>>730734092true, u can just tell by the art direction that the game is sterile & boringand op is a shillfuck u op u fucking retard
>>730731318What's with /v/ making strawman fallacies when the Matchmaking system did pretty good job at balancing the playerbase?
>be pvper>get matched with pvpers>entire lobby is hiding in the extraction room with their free loadouts waiting to extract kill someone that's never comingpeak video gaming right there
>>730734314anons love being niggers despite claiming not, so they get mad when the game puts them on games with people that will fight back or even shoot first
>>730734203>every post about something I don't like is shillingI like Arc Raiders and I agree with OP that it's absurd to buy a game with PVP then complain about PVP and shame those who partake in it. I just happen to think that it's theme attracts Redditors who behave like this.
>>730731318Honestly it's because it doesn't even make sense why it has PvP elements at all. There's no reason to do pvp other than to just do it. There are no boss fights. The rewards for stealing someone's shit and extracting with it aren't that big since resources are so plentiful that you don't need to resort to banditry. Getting the quest stuff just through scavenging is not hard and doesn't require any competition. The only reason to do it is just to be an asshole. I feel like if you're into the PVP in Arc Raiders then you should just be playing Halo or something because it's practically pointless unless you're looking to get clapped by a three stack who wasn't interested in you in the first place.
>>730731853>I wouldnt buy a video game with PVP elements and then ask for it to be removedBut you WOULD buy a videogame with PVE elements and then whine about other players enjoying those more?
>>730734659that's how i felt about it in general. it doesnt really bring anything new to the table and as far as extraction shooters go, doesnt have the competitive elements of hunt or tarkov. i think that's why there's not much of a pvp scene. there's nothing to encourage it. i see more pvp in solo lobbies but even then youre just playing deathmatch, its not like youre going to get a big payday by doing it. i think arc raiders was just a coop shooter they were forced to add pvp to.
>>730735042This is such an embarrassingly midwit response I think you should hang yourself. I'm not complaining about people who enjoy the PVE more. I just think it's silly to buy a game with PVP in it, then complain about getting killed and shame players who partake in PVP
>>730735705No. Yours is such an embarrassingly midwit response I think (You) should hang yourself.
>>730735705Tbf, people also complain about dying in pure PVP games. It's simply the usual cope.
>>730735891I think this is the most midwit response of all time, personally, I think (you(yes you)) should hang yourself.
>>730735984no, u
>>730733070reddit post
>>730731318Because a huge chunk of the player base are casuals.
>>730735202Arc wouldn't have 1/10 of the audience of it was PVE. So many people only bought in because their favorite streamer was gooping.
>>730731318Because PvP in arc is just a design after thought. At the very least in solos. Having 1.5 seconds ttk in a game when you can hide behind corner and have perfect knowledge of your surroundings is a joke.Duos and trios work a bit better due to being able to help and cover for teammates but the trashy 3pp still feel horrible.
I play(ed) COD and they had their DMZ mode and a similar dynamic evolved with Predator vs Prey that I assume happens in every other Extraction Shooter too.It's a tale as old as time. It goes back to at least Ultima Online (MMORPG). People will tell you that they killed the game by releasing a non-PvP shard effectively stopping PKing but if you look at interviews with the developers at the time they were experiencing record numbers of player drop-off and users who only paid for 1-month of play-time and never returned. Simply put the PvPers (Predators) got too greedy with their desire to roll unskilled and ungeared bluebies and empty their packs after killing them that they actually killed their own game by essentially driving away the Prey.It's actually an incredibly hard line to toe as a developer.
>>730739307https://mmofallout.com/2015/02/02/ultima-online-rampant-pvp-drove-away-70-of-new-players>Ultima Online>PKs rolling blue newbies and full-looting the corpse>70% of players leave>actually getting SMASH-FUCKED by new 3D game called Everquest>introduce Trammel a non-PvP zone>retarded PvPers insist what is actually killing the game is Trammel and not the PKs piss-slamming every blue in sight driving them away to Everquest>Trammel doubles subscriber-count>Retards 20 years later still say "Trammel killed UO"
I love it when I crack some retard after they thought emoting once or twice was going to stop me. >BRO I SAID I WAS FRIENDLYYeah nigga, I heard.
>>730731507imagine the thrill of joining a pvpve shooting game... and shooting people who walk up to you and say hello or just walking around playing a flute, that must feel so fulfilling
>>730739697Also this is the ultimate takeaway:>The bad: Without the "sheep to shear" the hard core PvP'ers were disenfranchised. They didn't like preying on each other (hard targets versus soft targets), and they became a smaller minority in the overall game. The real bad though was that the intensity and "realness" of the game for all players was diminished. This was the major unintended consequence.Trammel "saved" UO but only insomuch that it stopped the player drop-off from going off a cliff. The game continued on (still does actually) but it's never been the same because the "thrill" of knowing you can be PKed was what made the game magical in the first place.Which is my overall point. It's a fine needle to thread. The PvP makes the game amazing, but it requires keeping the Prey pacified.
>>730732840Sure, but Arc Raiders is explicitly PvPvE. If you want to play a game that's strictly PvE, this shouldn't be your game of choice.
>>730731318Extraction games operate on a false premise and are shit because of it. You need persistence, mind bogglingly large game world, sovereignty and high security areas.Use eve online as a base idea. Make a map system that can be used to find pve activity and make the act of getting there take some risk if you are hunting people. No player/party limits but balance the weapons to allow instant killing so you can 1vx
>>730734062>two of the three best guns in the game are free to instantly obtainwhich 2 guns are those?
PvPers getting another dose of reality that the majority of gamers don't want to engage in their bullshitenjoy getting regulated to facing only gank squads like in modern soulsbornes
>>730741014Stitcher and Kettle
>>730731318It has a large playerbase, and most videogame players don't want to play pvpAt the kind of scale they're working with, they're going to have accidentally pulled in a very large number of those people
>>730741142bobcat and venator are better than both of those
>>730731318if given the option gamers would take the pvp out of anything, not because its actually more fun, but because its easier
>>730740707>make the act of getting there take some risk if you are hunting peoplethis becomes shit because it makes the optimal way to play in a game with loot you can lose is the one where you engage with the least amount of mechanics
>>730741375yes but you can't get those in your zero risk free kits
>>730741909This is not how it plays out in eve.
>>730731318majority of them are assyou watch any of them complain about pvp by posting their clip and you will see their shit aim and bad positioning standing out in the open
>>730739913That's almost never how it is for me at least it's usually>find a seemingly empty building>begin looting>Hear footsteps and someone shooting ARCs>sneak up on them and kill them while they're distracted>now all the loot in the building is mineThe killing of other players isn't always done for the satisfaction, there's a serious incentive to protect your current established territory from being stolen from. I'm playing so I can get good weapons, I don't want Joe shmoe to have them too.
>>730742001i know, but you said "2 of the best 3 guns in the game."stitcher are kettle are good but not 2 of the 3 best guns. the 3 best guns are probably bobcat, venator, and vulcano, arguably renegade for longer ranges
>>730731318This was my first extraction shooter and holy fuck 90% of this game is just watching crowbar animations and looting boxes, like I get that looting is an integral part of the genre but holy shit is it boring. Also the amount of people asking to team up is annoying as fuck. I don't know you and I don't want to listen to blabber about nothing on your shitty ear rape mic for the next 20 minutes, go fuck yourself
