Why is SA2 largely considered the most soulful 3D Sonic?
because the writing was on the wall. SA2 was created as a potential swan song to not just Sonic but Sega as a whole
>>730756106This, mostly. It's just the last major game on Sega's last console. The game itself is shit.
>>730755630I don't know anyone who thinks this. SA1 is full of way more soul than SA2. People argue about level design and how shitty the voice acting in SA1 is and the Chao garden but I don't know anyone who thinks that SA1 wasn't more ambitious, more soulful, and trying to do more than SA2.
Most of the game isn't very good. People just remember City Escape, Metal Harbor, Green Forest and possibly Final Rush.
it was the last attempt Sega had to match Crash Bandicoot who was actually a mascot that was hitting Mario numbers and the result of this critically acclaimed game, it fucking bombed lmao
It's SA1 that's the soulful one
>>730755630Even though 2/3 of the game is shit, sonic has NEVER controlled better with his movement, not counting shit camera-locking in some areas. That's why for me. It's why Spark is so fucking good too.
>>730757093Most of the game is good, not just Sonic. The only character stages I can not defend are Tails stages. All of them are bad and it really is just him. Barring Sand Ocean all Eggman stages are solid. Tails has nothing
>>730758236I dunno man, the Rogue and Knuckles stages seemed awful. That's why I stopped the game
>>730758236Knuckles and rouge stages are mostly lame. Tails and Eggman are lame, Eggman somewhat less so I agree but still not good. Shadow always feels like a lame version of sonic even when the actual level is decent. The highlight of the entire game is City Escape and nothing else comes close.
>>730757093Even most of the speed stages are fluff, honestly.
>>730757271But it did go on to become the highest selling third-party title on the Gamecube.
>>7307556301. Chao Garden2. Shadow and Rouge are very representative of the cultural zeitgeist of the 2000s: the brooding, destructive, hard rock black-and-red antagonist and the unapologetically seductive, busty femme fatale double agent spy.3. The music is the best Sonic has ever had outside of Hideki Naganuma.
>>730758236I don't think its his stages, His Mech just feels really weird to control
>>730758657Green Forest is way better than City Escape.
>>730759043The stages were definitly an afterthought. Eggman gets a lot of thought through shooting galleries and areas with a clear logic for keeping that lock on multiplyer up. With Tails you're just rounding an edge into getting shot all the time while the stage barely feels made for the walker.
>>730755630Because it has the best music.Games are an audiovisual experience so having good music can make an entire game.
chao garden carried sa2
SA1 even with Big's story > SA2 with the poop butt ass Rouge and Knuckles levels
>>730758468>Roue and Knuckles stagesIf you were filtered by any stage that wasn't Death Chamber you are clinically retarded and should be pelted with rocks
>>730762385There's no "filtering", the treasure hunting stages are just garbage. For a game that gets hyped up as God's gift to man by Sonicfags theyre honestly quite unacceptable
>>730762740Why are they unacceptable
>>730757093I remember chao garden
>>730762858There were better in sonic adventure 1 and borked radar.
>>730755630They legitimately believed it was going to be the final Sonic game so they went balls to the wall with it since they all assumed they were gonna lose jobs anyway
>>730762385Nah, its Mad Space, its been giving me pain for my last few playthroughs
>>730762935>"Waaah I can't find the emeralds in five seconds!">Muh radarYeah, you were filtered. Like a retard.
>>730755630probably because these Sonic Adventure games make you feel motivated and hopeful. Most games nowadays, if not every game, are pretty bleak and depressive. That's all modern devs know what to do. Even Square fell for it with FF16, and DQ12 was/is supposed to be going in the same direction of being dark and edgy to appeal to the west.
>>730755630boobs
>>730763030(Well mostly because I really want the A Rank regardless) Most of the treasure hunting usual don't take me too long
>>730763067This. As a kid and as an adult I never had an issues with knuckles and rogue stages. People just try really hard to over critique this game.
>>730755630Because Gerald is an S tier villain.They almost did him right in the movie.
>>730762858Because they suck? Its not really a problem in SA1 because theyre mid but over quickly. Here they take up a majority of the game. If youre a speedrunner autistic whos completely dulled themselves on these levels you probably won't see the issue but they arent very good to anyone else that arent rabid fanatics
SA1 and SA2 are proof that imperfections make a game better if the game itself is passionately designed.
>>730755630yup. last soulful and last good game in the franchise. it's edgekino done right and the chao garden is comfy as all fuck. plus it has the best va for the characters ever
>>730755630its kinoepic story, great musicfunny and memeablereplayable level challenges, chao garden to come back tomultiplayer battle races. It was just a perfect game for its time. As for its place in the Sonic franchise as a whole, I've been thinking about this. You know how Zoomers throw the word "peak" around a lot? SA2 is the PEAK of the Franchise. Everything up to that point leads to SA2, everything after is downstream of SA2 and most of it was shit (come on. We all know it)personally, I like how weighty Sonic feels and the degree of control the player has. I like the bounce and ring dash movementHeroes and Shadow2005 are slippery. Unleashed and Gens are cinematic on-rails boost games. I think the boost stages of Sonic/Shadow Gens are fantastic in their own right, and I am a giant 2D SOnic2 + Mania fag, but we all know SA2 is the peak of Sega and Sonic
When it comes to soul, presentation is EVERYTHING.
>>730758468Yep, those are the ones that made me drop it.
>>730755630that'll always be SA1.
Good music, fun, good gimmicks, peak flame shirt core/9-11 core, 06 tried to replicate it and failed at almost every regard.
>>730755630It honestly confuses me how people shit on Unleashed for having werehog stages but defend this game despite 50% of it being mech and treasure hunting
>>730763898Nostalgia is a hell of a thing
>>730763898It confuses you because you're fucking stupid. Mech and treasure hunting stages are relatively fast-paced and take like two-to-three minutes to complete. Werehog stages force you to play a fuckawful GoW clone for much longer stretches of time.
>>730755630Anime story before it was cool.
SA1 is more soulful
>>730759096I would potentially agree if it weren't for the half-pipe areas being wonky and fucking with your movement. Definitely one of the best though.
>>730764125That's fair. I've only played the Wii version of Unleashed and didn't think the night stages were that bad desu
Sonic Heroes and Advance 3 had more soul, but redditors only say SA2 is good because of le live and learn
STARS DON'T TWINKLETHE MOON DOESN'T SHINE
>>730762917Thats because you're a flamboyant homosexual.
>>730763898The treasure hunting is pretty fun barring a couple stages, and mechs are kind of hit or miss but fast at least. Compare that to the Werehog's taking about 6ish minutes on the faster end of things after you've gotten upgrade and medals, with first playthroughs taking 10 - 20 if you're sun/moon hunting. Then, on top of the length, you've got super spongy enemies with most of the depth being mashing square harder than God of War or platforming that feels stiff as fuck compared to speed's.
>>730755630>most soulful>doesn't even have hub worlds to explore Get outta here
>>730764723Oh yeah, the Wii and PS2 night stages are considerably more tolerable. Downside is you don't get Empire City or whatever it's called in those versions. Really no winning with Unleashed and it makes me very sad.
>>730755630The dreamcast really was the greatest console ever made.
>>730764836Nobody responded to this because they know this is true.
>>730768184Advance 2
Its the best game ever made purely by accident as they stumbled upon the physics on accident and then forgot how to replicate them ever again
>>730758236Tails has Mission Street, it's his best level
>>730758657City Escape is a shitty level entirely held up by having the only vocal track made for a Sonic stage theme. There's barely any actual level, most of it is just automated setpieces.
>>730765318Shut up faggot.
>>730768498Nah, it sucksone of the best stage themes in the game though, arguably the best
>>730771006>There's barely any actual level, most of it is just automated setpieces.That's every speed stage.
>>730771548No, it's just city escape in SA2Not that I like SA2 speed stages, I hate how stiff Sonic and Shadow are, but the other speed stages do not have any near the amount of "hold forward brainlessly" as City Escape's boarding/running down building wall/running away from truck sequences
>>730771695Green Forest is almost nothing but green hallways. Metal Harbor is similarly fucking nothing.
>>730757093>no Radical Highway, Space Colony Ark, or Chao Gardenone job
>>730763457>>730764410The game looks really cool but unfortunately it plays like shit. The “physics” are shit. There isn’t much running at all. Tails, Eggman, Knuckles, and Rouge levels are not fun to play.
>>730771998Fuck right off Eggman has some of the most fun sequences in the game
>>730759043The one thing I find utterly indefensible about SA2 that nobody else ever seems to mention is how much worse Tails/Eggman (especially Tails) feel to control than Gamma did in SA1, it's completely baffling. Gamma's stages in 1 were incredibly short and brainless but he was very fun to control and was the most enjoyable and distinct non-Sonic character in SA1, in SA2 it's like they brought his gameplay back but intentionally made it ten times slower and clunkier for no reason.
>start up sa2>get blasted with that live and learn guitar riff
>>730755630it's the one the most vocal sonicfags grew up with
it's got the same appeal as a beloved christmas movie classic
>>730755630>fun B-movie action thriller plot >easy to pick-up, difficult to master>assloads of missions >chao garden gives you infinite content>bat tits
SA2 introduced Shadow the Hedgehog to the world, and forever left its mark on 2000s culture.
>>730756106That's Segagaga
>>730772178where did this model come from it's too good
>>730755630It was considered that. It's way more "divisive" these days.
