GAH! GAH! GAH!
WHAT DO YOU [#!#!]ING MEAN BY BEST [No #1 rated $alesman]????THAT [old]MAN IS SO [old]DATED HE DOESN'T EVEN GET A [Hi-tech Sales HUD]!!!WHY GET [old] WHEN YOU CAN GET [NEO]?
>>730762352Yeah, he's awesome. Great attitude, witty and personable too.
Forced hype, mary sue garbage.
>>730766157It's gary stu kino thoughever
>>730766157Yes, the way Gerson made me hoot and holler when I first played chapter 4 blind was just me acting performative, alone in my room
>>730766926>5oyjacked to deltarune for realvery telly
>>73076235230+ I get embarrassed listening to this shit in the car
>>730762352if i was toby fox i would use my one and only pg13 fuck word on>You wonder, for what fucking purpose.after the player backtracks to the start of an area right before one of the endings
>Literally ruins Deltarune discussion for the rest of the 5 prerelease period One Cheshire cat design and suddenly every mention of "snow" or "trees" in a short story collection is proof that Toby Fox plagiarized from it, and then changed everything around, but also still kept a character with a name similar to "Noel" for some reason
>>730768635as if toby himself didn't ruin the discussion
>>730768945No, all Toby did was give me a boner.
>>730768635Actual normalfag midwit schizoslop, I can't wait for random dogshit youtubers to get 200k views just reading this stupid shit straight off of Twittersave me Andrew Cunningham save me
>>730768945By what, not making sure every future chapter had a Spamton like the Mikefaggots demanded?
>GYATT GYATT GYATT
>>730769161By not making anything at all AND mocking people who bothered reading the text
>>730769298I read the text and I don't feel mocked at all. Perhaps calling every hint about everything in any future chapter "Mike" for months on end was behavior that the text didn't naturally invoke and you were acting in an unfitting manner.
>>730769298I'm certain he changed it just to spite everyone anon. I'm so sure of it.
What the fuck are you talking about manNormalfags are genuinely worse than the average schizoposter on here, thank God they're going to forget about all of this shit in like two weeks
We have a crisis of literacy in this countryThe kids don't read books anymore
>>730767101Up your ass
>>730769412The good news is I've started to see a subset of posts on Twitter and r*ddit mocking all this. There's definitely already some growing exasperation from how confidently all the droolers are acting.
>>730769642Worse, when they do read a book, and they spot a reference to that book, they'll start autistically expecting that reference to expand perfectly naturally and bitch about "bad adaptation" when it doesn't.
>>730769390>>730769408Yeah, there were a million creative ways to follow up on all those hints, and he followed up with a chapter focused entirely on rug pulling every cool thing people expected.>Wanted another schizophrenic secret boss? (Laughs) Ramb gets petrified and the cloak without personality doesn't even give you the crystal>Wanted to see Toriel again? (Laughs) she sleepy>Wanted a TV World? (Laughs) get Zelda instead>Wanted Mike to mean anything at all? (Laughs) get a mute phone PNG and characters designed specifically to make fun of the people who advertised my game for free for 3 years straightand so much more
>>730769298>>730769872
>>730769872
>>730769872>ALL THOSE HINTS>spamton used to have friends who ran a TV show or something>he doesn't anymore and he doesn't like them anymore either, except one guyThat's it.
>>730769895>>730769978yeah, keep glazing tobert when he inevitably fails to do justice to Gaster because he is so up his ass about being meta
>>730770031>more mentions than Queen from JevilAnd I'm not talking just about Mike. Read the fucking post.
>>730769408>>730769872>Spite everyoneCowboy Mike literally says "we like what we see... keep it up." Your autism is preventing you from seeing it was a love letter. Also, he put the freedom motif in Air Waves. And then dropped a short in the recent newsletter about how Battat had bad vibes about Tenna's contract for Spamton all along. Mike/Michael is still almost definitely FRIEND. Spamton's boss fight mentions the entity who "pulls the strings and makes them ring", Spamton wears glasses styled after FRIENDS' eyes, and the Mike gang mention that "maybe when you pretend to be Mike, you become him."The extra boss fight didn't throw anything away, it literally added to a coherent set of lore.
>>730770078Your idea of doing him justice probably doesn't interest me, so I will.
>>730770131How about the percentage of his dialogue taken up versus Jevil's? That's a far better measure.
>>730770078These threads would probably be much higher quality if fags like you didn't take your personal pet theories getting disproved as some kind of personal slight. At the same time, it's EXTREMELY funny, so whatever.
Toby Fox gave Mikefags more than they ever deserved
>>730770132>Also, he put the freedom motif in Air WavesWOW! He put it on a minigame that you don't even access within chapter 3! It's as meaningful as fighting Clover again on the dojo.He turned one of the main cliffhangers from chapter 2 into throwaway castle town side content.
>>730770261It's worse than that. Toby literally gave Mikefags the whole fucking kingdom, and they still haven't figured that out. >>730770341Your Fave is the final boss anon.
>>730770341>one of the main cliffhangers from chapter 2
>>730770132nigger, I was mocking him
>>730770219>>730770261I wasn't even a Mike theorist back then. I never even expected him to be a secret boss.I'm just heart broken at how he did this to the people who allow him to not spend a penny on advertising. He put feeling smarter than everyone else above just making something simple and fun as a thanks for the people who cared. Leaving Mike to just be a disembodies force from beyond would be more tasteful than that.
>>730770603kill yourself already and spare us the victim whining
>>730770603>I'm just heart brokenAlright, but you gotta get over it.
>>730770132>but grimsby... five legs!>four penises
>>730770727
Jockington is the chapter 5 secret boss and he's schizokino like Jevil and Spamton, trust the plan
>>730770603The "people who cared" got something simple and fun. The people who were up their own ass in fanon with no basis in the real game got mocked.
>Kris is doing all of this to save Noelle from the prophecy at Susie's expense>Hears this
>>730770603I'm not a mike theorist but the gaslighting irks me>haha you silly fanbase, mike wasn't important, why would you think that?
>>730770473>>730770659For the thousand time. Mike was hinted in the same way EVERY SINGLE SECTION ANTAGONIST had been hinted at in the series so far. (except for Toriel and King because they are the first antagonists for their games, obviously)>>730770730I've been "getting over it" about almost every single thing I used to like for the last decade.
>>730770939Everyone here was complaining about this kind of shit when the chapters came out. Where the hell did all these ass lickers came out?
>>730770950>Mike was hinted in the same way EVERY SINGLE SECTION ANTAGONIST had been hinted at in the series so farNo the fuck he was not. Spamton had actual beef with an actual character that we didn't get a name for, only an epithet. "That damn boob tube" would refer to a TV, with "Mike" being a "microphone", an unseen part of a TV crew.Spamton having some kind of falling out with a TV guy but still being on good terms with one crew member is what we got.>>730770939>mike wasn't importantThe game never said that. It just didn't make him Spamton 2.
>>730770950>I've been "getting over it" about almost every single thing I used to like for the last decade.If everywhere you go smells like shit, it's time to check your own shoes.
>>730770939>Mike wasn't importantNot what the game said.
see i saw saying this before it was cool he made multiple seperate animations both in game and out for these fuckers friend inside battat
>>730766157A dead/doomed mentor character is the best kind of character to write as a mary sue
>>730770939There's no gaslighting, you moron. Toby made a joke and people laughed. Except for a select few spergs who have interpreted this joke as an unforgivable insult.
>>730771009Everyone here was laughing their asses off at you. You retards who spent years dominating discussion with your fifty-layer-deep fanon rabbit hole nonsense. Nonsense that any actual game player could've told you was wrong back in the day, at that! You got BTFO by Mike being nothing like what you predicted, and it was glorious.
>>730771227>>730771125>>730771112So Mike is going to be a serious character then? Would you welcome further Mike theories without going "no don't you get it? Mike wasn't important, Toby already made fun of his fanbase over that!"
>>730771112>No the fuck he was notI'm not going over again with every instance of a future antagonist in Undertale being mentioned before they show up. People thought Mike was the gameshow host for a reason, even if flawed. After the sweepstakes people accepted easily they weren't the same.>It just didn't make him Spamton 2.There are INFINITE ways to do that in a way that isn't just a cheap laugh directed at the audience.Ramb would have been a perfect example of a secret boss not going over beat by beat on what Jevil and Spamton did (which was something I criticized Spamton for being) while still keeping the overall appeal that premise had with those two.
>>730770950He absolutely was not you blathering retard. He got two mentions, both in passing. Jevil mentions that the Shit Squad will meet the Queen, in a cryptic fashion, immediately following his defeat.
I like da fun video game
>>730771134Friend Inside Me is dead too, considering the cowboy mike.Good. Fucking annoying those retards.
I need to fuck Kris
>>730771357I do in fact welcome further theories reflecting what we actually know about Mike. There's still some shit the three "fake" Mikes are involved with.I will, however, feel free to mock anyone who continues insisting on the pre-ch3 style of theorycrafting where we take random hints about new chapters and apply them to random "cliffhangers" from previous chapters and treat it as gospel.
>>730770939two bosses specifically name dropping a character obviously leads to speculation and toby making jokes about said speculation is just weird when every other minor thing about the game is getting over analyzed by spergs nonstop.if he isnt important why bring him up in the first place? and if he is relevant why make fun of people discussing that? there's clearly some sort of setup for a backstory there.even not elaborating on the character at all feels more sensible than the easter egg he went with. dunno, just feels out of touch to me.
>>730771510>I do in fact welcome further theories reflecting what we actually know about Mike. Ok so who do you think Mike is and what is his relevance to Deltarune? Notice we never talk about this now? Everyone just assumes Mike is a joke character not worth discussing now.
>>730771357I think people making new Mike theories are wasting their time. We already saw the microphone PNG. Even if Toby develops on that, it would be beating a dead horse and have none of the impact seeing Mike on chapter 3 would have had.>>730771253Oh yeah man, it's sure so much more fun to discuss >DESS KNIGHT ESCAPISM BAD DEPRESSION ALLEGORY META COMMENTARY CRITIQUE DECONSTRUCTION SUBVERSION GENDER ROLES HETERONORMATIVITY CAPITALISM YOU'RE BAD FOR PLAYING THE GAME VIDEO ESSAYinstead of discussing all the possibilities for the side of the game that is actually fun to play through.And again, I wasn't REAÇÇY a Mike theorist, I was mostly trying to guess future Dark World locations and Chapter 3 sections/minigames.
>>730771621>toby making jokes about said speculation is just weird when every other minor thing about the game is getting over analyzed by spergs nonstopsimpsons "that is the joke" gif
>>730771396>I'm not going over again with every instance of a future antagonist in Undertale being mentioned before they show up.Good, because none of them are similar to how Mike was mentioned in any meaningful connecting way.>People thought Mike was the gameshow host for a reasonThat reason was bandwagoning. It was a shitty reading of the text that got popular because people presented it with confidence and charisma, not because it was right. I knew the game show host was a different guy from Mike from the start. I knew the game show host probably wasn't evil from the start, even! Both of these ideas were laughed off by the broader fandom even though they're clear as day in the raw text of chapter 2.>There are INFINITE ways to do that in a way that isn't just a cheap laugh directed at the audience.And this isn't a cheap laugh directed at the audience, it's directed at the people above, who actively stifled real discussion to yap about shit that the fandom had completely made up instead.>Ramb would have been a perfect example of a secret boss not going over beat by beat on what Jevil and Spamton did (which was something I criticized Spamton for being) while still keeping the overall appeal that premise had with those two.First of all, Spamton isn't "beat for beat" anything like Jevil, aside from being crazy and relating to the concept of "freedom". Secondly, that's why Ramb was involved in accessing the chapter's secret boss. Because he doesn't have to be the one you fight for the Shadow Crystal to occupy a similar role in some sense.
>>730771397Toriel foreshadowed Sans and Papyrus through a joke on her diary.
>>730771732>>DESS KNIGHT ESCAPISM BAD DEPRESSION ALLEGORY META COMMENTARY CRITIQUE DECONSTRUCTION SUBVERSION GENDER ROLES HETERONORMATIVITY CAPITALISM YOU'RE BAD FOR PLAYING THE GAME VIDEO ESSAYsomeone's mad
>>730771510>anyone who continues insisting on the pre-ch3 style of theorycrafting where we take random hints about new chapters and apply them to random "cliffhangers" from previous chapters and treat it as gospelWhy is it so wrong to try to do predictions in a style that would have worked perfectly if Undertale had been a chapter release?One could have guessed Undyne was going to be some sea creature just by looking into her name, plus the fact the next section is a waterfall.
>>730771621>if he isnt important why bring him up in the first place?Foreshadowing a character does not automatically mean that character is going to be important. At the same time, none of the Mike content we've seen so far suggests that Mike will never be important. A character's role can change over the course of a story. A comic relief character becoming a key player down the line is a classic trope.
>>730771923Yeah of course I'm mad. This sort of bullshit took over the discussion of everything nowadays.
>>730771945Imagine all the theories towards what the "bad time" is had undertale been episodic.
>>730772040The genocide ending would have set up Sans fans nutting vs Asgore fans pissed off he didn't get a powered up fight like Undyne had said.
>>730771665Mike is currently effectively an act put on by Tenna and a handful of TV world darkners.Mike used to be an individual.Mike is a narrative role that was emptied, possibly by force, now fulfilled by many other characters taking one of its functions under their wing. He currently acts partly as a commentary on the way things will keep moving no matter what might seem to be missing (prophecy allegory) and a lead in to further mysteries as to what exact involvement Gaster had with the TV crew through Spamton.Of course the typical Mikefag response is>but that's not a literal character who we got to fight in ch3 so none of it matters actuallyBut hey, I know I still have my thoughts on him, he isn't "just a joke".
>>730771790but speculating on an obvious loose end is nothing special worthy of ridicule.he set it up that way himself.its like making a "mike"-like encounter for the roaring knight making fun of people who speculate about who it is. why would you do that when you yourself set up that mystery and presented that to people?>>730772000the mike trio will obviously not be actually relevant. the guy calling spamton might be. but if thats the case then toby just introduced some confusion into it all.
>>730762352Now that your excuse for why you should be allowed to make a pseudo-general here is finally kicked out (Dall-E), you tobysloppers should promptly follow suit and fuck off to /vg/
>>730772315no one cares, kiddo
>>730771732>DESS KNIGHT ESCAPISM BAD DEPRESSION ALLEGORY META COMMENTARY CRITIQUE DECONSTRUCTION SUBVERSION GENDER ROLES HETERONORMATIVITY CAPITALISM YOU'RE BAD FOR PLAYING THE GAME VIDEO ESSAYWhat the fuck does any of this have to do with Mike? Do you seriously think theorizing which characters are going to fill some story role that exists for no real reason but is somehow IMMUTABLE is "the point" of Deltarune threads? You've got it completely backwards man.>>730771945>Why is it so wrong to try to do predictions in a style that would have worked perfectly if Undertale had been a chapter release?Because they wouldn't work at all. Mettaton would have to be an actual good guy because he was presented in a positive tone at first. Asgore would have to be pure evil because he was presented as the main antagonist first. And so on.>but those aren't the kind of rules we applied to imagine Mike!Yes, it really is. You people spent months ignoring that Spamton was talking about two individuals.
instead of mike it shouldve been a fight making fun of gaster faggots.irrelevant character two games back to back.
>>730772202>speculating on an obvious loose endNothing wrong here!>amalgamating every hint given about the next chapter into the one loose end we were given that had an actual nameThis is fucked!Hope that clears it up.
>>730772000>A comic relief character becoming a key player down the line is a classic trope.Given their functional irrelevance outside of the Mike room, I doubt the Mikes and Mike himself will do much besides provide fanservice.
>>730772182>but that's not a literal character who we got to fight in ch3 so none of it matters actuallyThat's not really fair. You can think Mike would be significant without necessarily thinking he'd just be some chapter 3 boss. If anything that dials down his significance somewhat.
>>730772182We fought the skeleton on Toriel's Diary. We fought the captain of the royal guard Papyrus and Monster Kid mentioned. We fought "MTT". We didn't fight Dr. Alphys and to this day people wish they could do that for one reason or another (you do get her section on the Asriel fight anyway). We fought whatever the fuck Alphys was doing in her lab. We fought Asgore. We fought Queen. And now we fought Tenna.I'm not even saying Mike HAD to get a fight, but why is expecting that so unreasonable for you? The fights are the highlight of these games.
>>730772557Mike is on track to be exactly as significant as he was set up to be.
>>730772552You're doing it again. You're assuming they'll never be relevant outside of the Mike room.
>>730772182>>730772548>>but that's not a literal character who we got to fight in ch3 so none of it matters actually>amalgamating every hint given about the next chapter into the one loose end we were given that had an actual namesounds like you just made up some strawman.
>>730772505Gaster's literally the final boss though.
>>730772665maybe in the third game.
>>730772630Dunno anon, >>730770939 seemed pretty ominous.
>>730772634from your mouth to God's ears>>730772650this whole conversation stems from a selection of anon's endless victim complex regarding being wrong about Mike.
>>730770939what if toby is just a hack
>>730772754>selection of anon's endless victim complex regarding being wrong about Mike.Has anyone in this thread actually claimed to be a Mike theorist?
Maybe I'm out of the loop with all the theories and speculation, but I'm not really much in the fandom. Could a kind anon fill me in on all the theorycrafting that has gone into the Mike stuff?As far as I'm really aware:>Spamton mentions Mike in Chapter 2>Mike clearly helped him and he misses him>Spamton told Tenna about how great Mike is, but they had a falling out>Tenna, being pretty innocent and naive, demands that his staff find Mike for him>The staff roleplay as Mike to make Tenna happy and shut up about it because they don't know who Mike isJust playing the game I figure Mike is a real person in-universe but nobody really knows who he is or how to contact him. Tenna is just kind of dumb but also on a power trip so he thinks that by demanding Mike's help he MUST get it so he falls for his staffs' lie without question. The real Mike is just another character trying to influence the story, but we just aren't there yet. If I were to guess, I would think Mike is probably a lightner
>>730770939Toby shit eatersThis is going to be them in a couple of months btw
>>730772606The skeleton(s) in Toriel's diary also talked to us at the end of the demo to provide something more concrete. Snails would've been a reasonable guess as to the next area theme, if we go by your logic.>I'm not even saying Mike HAD to get a fight, but why is expecting that so unreasonable for you?We got a Mike fight, it just didn't come in CH3 and Mike isn't what you expected.The Mike fight people complain about not getting is an EPIC SCHIZO SHOWDOWN in chapter 3 to "properly follow up" spamton. Near universally.
>>730772431I bet you say others "don't read the text" don't you?>Mettaton would have to be an actual good guy because he was presented in a positive tone at first. MTT was just a brand before Hotland. That isn't a very good tone.>Asgore would have to be pure evil because he was presented as the main antagonist first. And so on.Anon, Asgore had a back and forth presentation SINCE THE DEMO. The book who says "our king isn't very good with names" paints him with a light tone. Papyrus calls him a pushover explicitly to you. Gerson calls him a pushover as well. Alphys painted BOTH pictures at him. It was always a part of his character.>You people spent months ignoring that Spamton was talking about two individuals.Because the man has a confusing way with words. Everyone went on board with Tenna after the sweepstakes, no one was mad back then about that.>You've got it completely backwards man.Oh no, I'm enjoy having fun, how bad.Doing Spade Queens before 2021 was fun even if it wasn't correct, we got something very good out of that. Doing Mikes/Tennas/Woodies or whatever was also fun. People went crazy with shit like artwork and fan songs. Now look around and see how many people are designing "Bluest Flowers" now. It's just people arguing about which deer is the Knight.
>>730772964We didn't get a Mike fight, that PNG didn't do anything to us. We got a "personification of Mike Theorists" fight.And stop being so up your ass about what people wanted, I don't think this discussion would be happening if we got a throwaway, "Jackenstein style" fight with Mike in the middle of Chapter 3.
>>730772823>Spamton mentions Mike in Chapter 2>fandom misses the obvious and assumes Spamton's rant about [[That damn boob tube]] is also Mike>Mike becomes the "criminal" game show host and villain of the next chapter>Spamton sweepstakes happen>we get the name "Tenna">finally the fandom realizes Mike isn't the Boob Tube>but spamton mentioned him so they figure he must be the schizo boss of the chapter like Jevil and Spamton>cue years of Toby trying to tell people Mike's role in ch3 is mostly a function of Tenna's show>his and Spamton's fondness for Mike is an extension of them both really liking their time on the show and together in general>him missing Mike is him missing the whole crew and not being able to admit it directly>eventually the chapter comes out and references the fandom perception of Mike as a super secret extra schizo boss of some sort while going with the original Mike, an omnipresent void, for the actual chapter 3>mikefags shit themselves in with rage and take this as a mortal insult
>>730772823I didnt theorize about him at all.Basically I just saw two bosses bring him up and wondered what his deal is and then I got this weird gimmick fight making fun of me for thinking that there is something to this character that was name dropped specifically?I'm just confused.
>>730773238
>>730773291>misses the obviousit wasn't obvious>they figure he must be the schizo boss of the chapter I was the one guy here saying he probably wasn't because the previous schizos had zero foreshadowing (and I was wrong because Gerson had foreshadowing in the end)>years of Toby trying to tell people Mike's role in ch3 is mostly a function of Tenna's showThe only thing the sweepstakes did was separate the characters, what else he said about it?We had more FRIEND INSIDE ME stuff than Mike during those years.
>>730773342You either fight Mike or you don't. We didn't.And over half of the fan made schizobosses were whole new OC's, not Mike. Some guy even decently predicted Eram on youtube.
>>730762352>Given schizo crystal>Goes "no thanks lmao" and just hands it overBased turtle grandpa
>>730773056>MTT was just a brand before Hotland.Presented in a cheery manner, something Papyrus is willingly a fan of.>Asgore had a back and forth presentation SINCE THE DEMOAnd Spamton wasn't even lightly implied in chapter 1. Sometimes characters aren't contractual obligations the author is fulfilling based on shit they set up against their will years ago.>Everyone went on board with Tenna after the sweepstakes, no one was mad back then about that.But people were mad at the notion that maybe Mike wasn't the guy Spamton was ranting about before that. It only became uncontroversial to assume we were being given hints about two characters when we got another name for people to attach their theories to. Thank fucking god people figured out FRIEND or we might still be calling him "the real Mike" or something.>Trying to actually theorize based on the direction a story is going? BORING!>Everyone knows the REAL fans saw the hints as prompts to design OCs around!I think fiction might not be for you.
>>730773463>it wasn't obviousTo you, because you're retarded.>I was the one guy here saying he probably wasn'tOh, I'm sure.>because the previous schizos had zero foreshadowingYou're double wrong because Spamton is an unavoidable encounter and tells you exactly where to find him later (Retard x2)
>>730773529>You either fight Mike or you don't. We didn't.This is just sad. You're so butthurt over a joke that you're completely denying reality. Just how sore did Toby leave your rear?
What’s his endgame?
GENTLEMEN!I HAVE A NEW HARD DRIVE AND ALMOST NO DELTARUNE REACTION IMAGES!MY COLLECTION REQUIRES DIRE ASSISTANCE!
>>730773463>it wasn't obviousI noticed it the first fucking time I read Spamton's dialogue and was consistently confused at how many people misread it so badly. This is why I have so much conviction in laughing at Mikefaggotry, from the start it's been founded on ignoring shit you can read.>I was the one guy here saying he probably wasn't because the previous schizos had zero foreshadowingI remember speaking up too but the threads were a mile a minute back then, so I guess we might have missed each other.>The only thing the sweepstakes did was separate the characters, what else he said about it?Asking Spamton about Mike earned a firm, kayfabe-rattling "stop asking about this topic" answer. Spamton cursed us out and said he wasn't telling us anything more about the TV crew. I don't recall the exact wording anymore but I can recall feeling the exasperation through the screen.
>>730770708Damn, that's a nice 3d model.
>>730773626Dunce. We're discussing BETWEEN CHAPTERS shit here, Spamton showing up in his own chapter isn't foreshadowing for theory crafting. Catty's father says "big shot" in chapter 1 but that's so vague it doesn't really count for theory crafting.. Alvin digging up Gerson's dust was foreshadowing, some people predicted what happened with a lot of accuracy here.And Mike not being the gameshow host isn't obvious when only playing chapter 2. You could interpret that as Spamton being heartbroken over how the gameshow host called Mike betrayed him ("WE DON'T NEED MIKE"). And ironically, that was the reason he was pissed off at Tenna.
>>730773863>"stop asking about this topic" answerthat only makes it more suspicious
>>730773903>Mike not being the gameshow host isn't obvious when only playing chapter 2It really, really is. The way "we don't need Mike" was brought up made him sound like he could've just been, like, the sound guy, with the gag being that he does very little but shit immediately falls apart if he isn't there. Which is quite close to what we got.
>>730774089You call out people being mad because "it didn't happen what they imagined", yet you were able to see all these little details all the way back in 2021?Why don't you share an account were you said all that? Or even just get your posts here from the archives. You could brag about being the guy who got what chapter 3 was going to be before everyone else.
>>730773291Without context, People believed Spamton to actually be someone deep down, and not just a horrible Amalgam of everyone who influenced him, even though we got clues that he ripped everyone's styles in Chapter 2, down to stealing the Neo body from Hapstablook's dream.
>>730769204truly an intellectual
>>730774265I didn't see all of that exactly as is back then. Because when I tried to discuss the beginnings of this idea I was stuck doing so with people who didn't even know that Mike and Tenna were separate characters. I can't come up with everything on my own, but that doesn't mean I want to join in when I can see the entire fandom is spinning its wheels on nothing.
how the fuck can our heroes stand a chance against a stronger Titan?The one we fought was fresh and only defeated with Gerson's help.
>>730774339that still doesn't explain why Swatch got those glasses
>>730773821The wave of Dog-Kris over Boss-Monster Kris in Monster-Kris pictures is an interesting overcorrection. It unironically feels like the same sort of Sans Overcorrections we saw a few years after Undertale.
>>730774429Gerson didn't really do anything besides inspiring them to keep going, it was Susie's idea.
>>730774339Spamton can be someone deep down, that someone is just a selfish, honorless cheat to whom a friendship is something to feel a little sad over before you push it aside for your own personal gain. You know, as he was presented in chapter 2. People who believed he was tricked and didn't deserve the acid were whitewashing him.
>>730774420Can't wait to argue with you again when Gaster turns out to be nothing 4 years in the future.And yes, not getting to fight him for real would be a "nothing" because that's the bare minimum for a franchise built on fighting all the main characters.
>>730774429>how the fuck can our heroes stand a chance against a stronger Titan?They have a power that can defeat anything.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb71Mz8Cbtw
>>730774573I am going to say it now. I don't think a Gaster fight needs to happen for him to be paid off. I will still feel this way when we reach the end of Deltarune whether we fight him or not.
>>730774521>denying how much Toby woobiefied Spamton after chapter 2I wish he (and King) stayed assholes like that. Even fucking Flowey got forgiven and hugged.
>>730774624Amazing ass kisser, already forgiving a gigantic, widespread let down years in advance.You should get a career as a professional critic already, you type is all the rage in the industry.
>>730774630Toby didn't woobify him at all, he just kept making it clear that if you don't give him any power, Spamton is just a funny little guy. King was never an asshole and I could tell he was faking it. Flowey is still the same character he was, the "asshole" was him playing it up.
>>730774630Honestly, Spamton being so desperate to stay relevant that he appears in everything post-CH2 is fairly accurate to his character.Though now the idea of Spamton dressing as Gerson to try and ape his popularity has appeared in my head and is refusing to leave
>>730774707>no no no you're supposed to want to fight this guy!Why? Because he has a name and a "deal" and that means he's there for me to fight? If it's not within the scope of the game it's not within the scope of the game, simple as that.
>>730774739Oh my, what a visionary! He knew the guy who threatened to kill his own son in your face was just faking it before everyone else!And of course, the mass serial murderer was just him "playing it up" (well, he was, in fact, just "playing it" and getting all those evil achievements that ruin games haha)
>>730774624I can't think of any possible way a gaster fight or even just a direct reveal of him could go well. It would feel incredibly cheap for Deltarune, where I don't think he has even been mentioned, and it would have the side effect of cheapening the mysteries of Undertale.At this point how could Sans having a dimension shifting machine play into the story of DR? Shit hits the fan and the grocery store guy is like "Guys! I know I'm new in town, but I have a dark secret... I used to work with... a very interesting man... Together we built a machine that might just be able to save us from this Roaring!"
>>730774871Yeah. I did in fact know. Or rather, I didn't leap to him having no character beyond "evil" because he acted mean to me once, like you seem to.His threat to kill Lancer was no more credible than Susie's. (Oh wait, I'm sure a bunch of people still want to see her punished for that too, huh?)>And of course, the mass serial murderer was just him "playing it up"He didn't kill anyone out of a desire to kill, so yeah. A lack of malice makes a difference.>spoilerWhy don't you go ahead and admit you think Toby Fox hates video games and everyone who likes them or whatever your retarded cope is?
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>>730774813He doesn't appear in Chapter 4 at all. That guy just happens to mention his censorship.And Kris is the one who tells him to get out.>>730774826Because he has been foreshadowed for over a decade, with fans obsessed with him ever since, in the game you fought every single major characters except Alphys.Gaster is the reason thousands of people are waiting for Deltarune to end, for the last several years.Those people who did all this word of mouth are the reason the author gets to do frequent trips to Japan and take his sweet time making his auteur game. Toby is living a dream almost no one will ever get to taste a little, something like that would be the bare minimum to thank everyone who made it possible.
>>730775106He's going to appear in whatever fangamer shit that comes next. He already did the 10th Anniversary for Undertale.
>>730775106And you believe the answer every fan wants to Deltarune and Undertale is a straightforward fight against Gaster to stop whatever his plans are, after he makes a direct appearance and explains his deal?I think fans would find that depressing more than anything.
>>730775003King was indirectly evil towards you through the whole chapter. He is the reason the entire conflict happens there, from lancer to the misery of every NPC.Yeah yeah, it didn't matter because the flower didn't mean it.With how fixated he is against JRPG tropes and completionism, I believe deep down he still is the same Radiation who enjoyed upsetting the player, as much as I'm still the kid who hated Aesop fables for centering on their moralism.It's a shame, had he been born in another time he might have produced a 1000 great television episodes, but this age isn't kind for genre writers.
>>730775238Every fan wants a cool battle, and that would be something mind warping like Omega Flowey or Sans. That's not a straight forward battle, but it is something.The chance of never even seeing what he looks like for real, or seeing that and him not being the mystery man at all gets more real with each day. That would be a nothing.
>>730774394Gerson called the mage a "they", so there's a 50% chance he got his ass pounded by human cock.
>>730775424The "misery" King inflicts is played for laughs in every case I can recall. His reign is treated as inconvenient and ineffective, not tyrannical or scary.>Yeah yeah, it didn't matter because the flower didn't mean it.Literally yes. Whether you mean it is all that matters.>With how fixated he is against JRPG tropes and completionismHe isn't against either of those.
>>730773760Whatever his plan is, it doesn't involve Noelle.And I'm going to fix that.
>>730775585>The chance of never even seeing what he looks like for real, or seeing that and him not being the mystery man at all gets more real with each day.I sincerely look forward to it. That would be a proper resolution. None of this "and then we fight the mostest importantest super monster who controls the story and makes all the sad things happen and confirms all my theories personally" shit.
>>730775880Bravo Rian Johnson.You feeling smart is more important than everyone else having a fun time.
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>>730776152>everyone having a fun time is dependent on my exact idea for the structure of the story being followed>if my predictions aren't right then nobody is allowed to have funUh huh, sure buddy. I won't have fun, I promise.
>>730772823>Deltarune Chapter 2 demo (2021)Mike was a former friend/associate of Spamton's, who he speaks of wistfully>post-Chapter 2 (2021-22)Fans go completely fucking insane speculating about Mike, conflating him with both the TV boss teased at the end of the Chapter and the mysterious smiling face in Queen's basement>Spamton Sweepstakes (September 2022)Toby roleplays as Spamton to clarify that Mike is not the TV guy; TV guy is named "Tenna," Spamton's fondness for Mike is reiterated and Spamton acts protective toward him, believing that Tenna's "crew" is looking for Mike.>Spamton Sweepstakes pre-release extras (May 2025)The smiling face is connected to Noelle's "Cat Petterz" game, clarifying it as a Cheshire Cat type figure>Deltarune Chapter 3 (June 2025)"Mike" plays a significant supporting role as a disembodied stage assistant to Tenna, roughly in line with Spamton's characterization ("ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS [Mike]!?")>Deltarune Chapter 4 (June 2025)"MIKE'S ROOM" becomes available in Castle Town, though most players likely will not access it until "postgame."Here we learn that three other NPCs, who are obvious parodies of popular fan theories regarding Mike (a microphone-themed game show host, a cat, and a cowboy), have been playing the role of "Mike." They are responsible for some of the actions attributed to Mike, but others Tenna just did himself, or "it just sort of happens!" None of the "Michaels" have ever seen the "real Mike," if he even exists (but "Then where'd the idea of Mike come from in the first place?"). There's also a hallway leading to an inexplicable encounter with a giant JPEG of a microphone.>Deltarune Winter Newsletter Chapter 5 teaser (December 2025)Tenna speaks to "Mike" about their past with Spamton, stating that Mike warned him against coercing Spamton into a deal. This further implies that Mike was a real figure in Tenna and Spamton's past, but nobody knows what happened to him (except maybe Spamton).
>>730772823the poor children followed the man who points without chemicals
>>730775787>He isn't against either of those.seriously, mikefags needs to get over their victim complex
>>730762352Why did Toby make Gerson so sexy?
>oh cool a thread about one of the most kino boss fights in jrpg history, let's see what's going on...>Actually a bunch of autistic faggots shitUndertale and Deltarune are living proof that a fanbase CAN ruin a game series despite everything else
>>730777710>talking about the game is autistic faggot shit
>>730771481it's coming.
>>730769814the pippins literally do mirror gaster though that's why they're so involved in cryptic shit. It's due to their RNG connections.
I don't care about friendI don't care about gasterI don't care about any spoopy 4th wall breaking meta deep lore character that is acting behind the scenes playing 7d chess that is only mentioned in some fuckwad stream or mail.
>>730775681ONLY IF YOU'RE FUCKING CRINGE AND GAY
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>>730779775What do you care about? The Susiebowl?
