>>730767987100% trueyugioh is the dark souls of card games
MTG isn't hard in the slightest. It's literally Pokemon-tier now
Nice pic except https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paskahousu#Valepaska
>>730767987Maybe 7-8 years ago Magic would be 4 stars, but it's braindead these days.Accurate otherwise.
>yugioh>powercreep is so maximized that decks can interact with and react to boardwipes on both turns>magic>powercreep is 1-5 red cards ruining standard and a new modern set ruining every other format every 3 years while 99% of the playerbase is playing fortnite singletonmagic has far more room for complexity but hardly embraces it, yugioh is reaching the limit of its complexity but has like 20 functional decks at that point in exchange for zero casual play that isn't just meme solitaire
>>730767987Yugioh really needs a fucking casual format, our eternal format where every card now has 4 effects and does full combo on its own is exhausting and drives away potential new players.
>>730768473>>730768447>>730768057So YGO is the hardest because everything bounces and has effects up the ass?
>>730768447>Yu-gi-ohPlaying Solitaire for 15 minutes before ending your turn only for your opponent to Nibiru your board and then play Solitaire for 15 minutes only to get their Battle Phase skipped and get Nibiru'd on Turn 3 and lose after playing Solitaire for 15 more minutes. I play the autism-fest that is competitive Smogon Pokemon and even I'M afraid of the hyper-autism involved in modern YGO. What the fuck is a Yummy?
>>730768526Pretty much, there has been a rise in card design that puts the entire deck's strategy on one card and every extender in the game also gets you a copy of it if its negated anyways.Yugioh card design is in this fucked up loop where they make a deck that requires powerful generic cards to defeat, but then they print another deck that beats those cards and then the cycle repeats.
>>730768612that fucking pic kek
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yugioh is not a hard game, yugioh is a meta deck first hand rng game, rng is not related to difficulty
>>730768887You have to read a fucking novel's worth of text to understand how modern decks work because everything has 30 effects.
>>730768887it's kind of like Go Fish 30% of the time.
>>730769024>can be special summon if link-1 or lvl2 synchro is on the field>adds a yummy card from deck to hand or draws 1>Hard Once Per TurnMost of the card's text are just restrictions so they can't loop their effects over and over again, but once you read a card from one archetype you'll understand what they all do so it's not even an issue
>>730768473yugioh needs sets designed around limited play instead of >35 cards for new archetypes minus the 3 cards that make half of them competitive>25 legacy support cards that do nothing by themselves>3 cucumber horses>mathematics trap card>obscure holiday continuous magic card>2 flip effect monsters>a shitty vanilla monster with a threatening attribute/type combothe huge problem it really has is archetypal design that does nothing to prevent you from playing 10 million 3 card engines competing with archetypal design with legitimate locks that plays like it was reverse engineered from the future to only be slightly stronger than everything else that exists
>>730769136>Ash Blossom>PendulumsThat's not Nu-YGO, that's 2017 YGO.
>>730768612>I'M afraid of the hyper-autism involved in modern YGO.9/10 times it's actually incredibly simple because it sorts itself into a simple binary chain of events. The only actual hard part is potential knowledge checks on specific deck chokepoints, knowing which card to stop. If you stop the wrong one, you will get extended through and lose.
>>730768887It's a very unintuitive game compared to mana based systems, you generally have to understand your entire deck to know where you're actually going with the one convoluted starter piece in your hand and the fifteen options accessible at any time in the extra deckThe end result isn't necessarily more engaging or complex decision-wise than games with simpler resource systems, but it's a notable barrier of entry
>>730769136this except horrid creature has been banned for 35 years and caused a school shooting in 2012 and Gego has 400 different support cards where you make gego nego the hyper venturer that does everything SDBGH does while letting you play 5 other decks
>>730769446Sets fundamentally being playable out of the box like they are in Magic would be nice, even though I'm a Yugioh player I've bought more magic fat packs and play boosters at this point because I can actually play that with friends.I like how sets have like 3 cards generally worth owning and then maybe another 1-5 that you only need if you're playing a particular deck, the rest is filler.
>>730768526Yu gi oh is difficult because they hard coded (IN REAL LIFE) new rules to break combo they didn't like so no one really know what and how it work.also the fact you have to know the 10 000 card playable in the meta or you lose instantly by the timer reading the novel writen in the card
>>730769493>you generally have to understand your entire deck to know where you're actually goingWhat's wrong with this? you assembled the deck so I'm expecting you to understand what it does, this should be the bare minimum of effort put into any deck you build.
>>730769645Oh please, at best you need to know the best 5 or so top tier decks at any given time. 99% of the card pool in this game is draft chaff garbage that will never see the light of day.
Pokemon is a great card game and I'm tired of pretending it's not. >easy to learn but hard to master>meta rapidly evolves>lots of visible decks and strategies>free and easy to play on your phone/computer Pokechads stay winning
>>730767987Lana!
>turn 1>20 mins laterlet's see you get out of this 6 negate field, yugi!
The average roguelike deck builder is harder than all of those games.
>>730770072>Yugi draws a card>Wins with Exodia
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>>730767987I don't think that yugioh is that hard, especially not if you play on an emulator that isn't duelingbook because that solves most of the confusing ruling shit and it remembers all the lingering effects, already activated once per turns and locks for the turn and it constantly reminds you of every effect you can trigger. And if you play Master Duel it's a best of 1 so you don't even need to pay attention to the sidedeck and can be even less strategic about the whole thing.
>>730769820It certainly has the sexiest art judging by the post below yours
>>730770392>Ras BeccanoWhat did the AI mean by this?
>>730770462Nah, YGO still wins in that regard.
>>730770140I agree but playing against real people is far more rewarding.
>>730767987How is yugioh hard? Sounds like a ranking made by boomer who only played on the playground and gets confused by simple ruling shit like missing timing and chain blocking.
Regardless of how dogshit MTG gets through the years you know, just based on how slow interaction is in YGO, how their "hand traps" are reviled, and how they're basically just Instants, of which there are thousands in MTG, these people just want to play solitaire, they hate chains, so they would hate the stack 10x more, and that, in my opinion, is why MTG used to be fun, and why Hearthstone never was, and partly why YGO didn't appeal to me after playing MTG.
>>730770565Not so fast.
>>730770712Embarrassing.
>>730770595>playing children's card games in a room with a bunch of morbidly obese, unwashed autistics is more enjoyable than playing a video game in the comfort of your own homeAre you psychotic or something?
>>730770742Okay HaruP
I fucking love Yu-gi-oh
>>730771036I love LAB.
>>730770712We can go cuter and funnier.
>>730768612>What the fuck is a Yummy?They're monsters created by Greeeds and used to harvest cell medals off of human desires.
>>730771280Me too
I've shuffled my deck like 10 times this turn and I still haven't done my normal summon yet. I can't believe this deck is considered dogshit. This would give a pre-2015 era YGO player an aneurysm.
>>730768473the real problem is you spend a ton of time waiting for your opps turn to finish (or to just straight lose)pokemon tcg may be simple but at least you get to actually play a few turns
>>730767987Current digimon is probably at 4 stars in terms of difficulty imo
>>730767987My understanding of modern Yugioh is that it's all about memorizing your deck's flowcharts and and knowing enough about other decks' flowcharts to know where to interact.
>>730774134Pretty much. Everyone packs 3x Ash Blossom because there are so many chains you have to break
>>730771036>>730767987of fuck, this reminds me, I got my r4 card a few days ago, I should dowload one of those world championship games. sucked they ended that at 2011, would have loved an end of synchro era/begining of xyz era where a lot of the old banned cards got limited and got a few neat archetypes.
>>730767987Exchange Magic and ygo and then it's accurate
>>730769136>bitch cant even special summon herselfLiterally unplayable.
I hate One Piece. Second worst Bandai game only ahead of Gundam.Fusion World is much better Bandaislop.
>>730767987>yugioh>difficultThe only difficulty is having the patience to look at the newest powercreep cards that have an essay for their effect so you know how the card will negate everything you do, blow up your entire field, then summon 7 4000 attack monsters with omni negates and destruction prevention, and which lol no card cancels the entire thing so you can then do your own essay card that negates everything they do, blows up their entire field, and summons 7 4000 attack monsters with omni negates and destruction prevention.
>>730767987Magic and Uno are harder just because of the level of interaction, YuGiOh seems harder if you dont know what you are doing, but otherwise its on 3rd place. Everything else is braindead easy with Pokemon being the worst.
but where are the duel masters chads
>>730767987Since this Is /v i think you missed 1 or 2 games ...dunno if gwent Is still alive
>>730767987>no netrunner
>>730767987Pokemon TCG is genuinely as hard if not harder than yugioh is. The rest is for casuals, especially magic
I play Magic Arena here and there just to have fun with the "narratives" you can create with decks (spend like 10 bucks on each set and just keep getting new cards while playing). Otherwise just embrace adulthood and play Poker or Mahjong online
>>730774842>pokemon tcg is hardLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>730768473>Yugioh really needs a fucking casual formatRush Duels, but Konami the fucking cowards won't export it.
>>730774895>t. never played
>>730769820A shame nobody plays it.
>>730774927I know you never played Pokemon, otherwise you wouldnt make such a stupid statement
>>730774921Is Duel Links really the only way to play Rush Duels in the west?
>>730774842Pokemon is genuinely braindead
>>730775052So easy you won worlds, oh wait you didn't because you don't actually know shit like the typical retard on /v/ :(
>>730775124The video games are, yesthe TCG is actually S-tier in terms of complexity
>>730768526I remember fighting someone with exodia deck that brought a new exodia monster with ATK = current LP(so 8000 ATK in turn 1), could negate everything and could set a trap from the deck that destroyed every opponent's card every single turn.
>>730775129Everything becomes harder when you put enough autism to it, that applies to every single thing on this earth. And even if the game wasnt braindead easy (it is), this is like saying I have never played football, nor I know shit about football, just because I didnt beat Argentina on the last World Cup
>>730775387>Everything becomes harder when you put enough autism to itDamn, so like every trading card game in existence, yet you take issue with pokemon for whatever dumbass reason
>>730769136did he ever find the great crystal
>>730775243No, it's all fucking braindead90% of the decks are the fucking same6-8 actual pokemon cards20+ trainer/support cards that literally every deck runs.maybe 1-2 trainer/support cards that is unique for a specific deck but only because their big beater is some specific typing or monster. But it's all functionally the same retarded shit.then you make a big beater while all your trainer/support cards just search those pieces out for you to setup.They scaled it back from just having the big beaters be 300+HP retards with 200+ attacks, but it's still the same fucking thing where 200+ HP retards have 100+ attack while doing retarded shit like hitting the bench.Because of the way the game functions you can't even have different strategies because those become insanely toxic because of the lack of interaction that even exist in the game. Which is whatever, because of the typing system, it means that there will at least be 2-3 flavors of big beaters sucking each other off because you can force bad matchups by simply just having your deck be based around certain energies by default and have your big beaters do a little bit more to their big beaters while their big beaters do a little bit less to your big beaters.It's why the only people who buy this shit are retards who are treating the cards like a fucking memecoin.
>>730775513I said literally everything, guess you are too dumb to understand a simple idea, but yes that means even every single tcg can be harder if you put enough autism to it, it doesnt make any particular game the hardest because autism isnt part of what the actual game is. Even if Pokemom can get "harder", it still remains braindead easy compared to the other tcgs
>>730768526YGO is the hardest because >the main format doesn't have rotation, so the card pool you have to learn can be daunting >there is no mana system, so the gameplay goes from 0 to 100 on the first turn of the game >most of the cards you'll see have 3+ effects and each of those cards can lead into other cards with more effects and you need a basic grasp of how everything might interact in order to properly use your answers that being said, once you get it, it's very fun
>>730775112I wouldn't know, I never played Duel Links.Does Duel Links actually have Rush Duels? Or is it some weird gimmick mode?
The DBZ CCG from the early 00s is still the best card game.
>>730776703I've never played the actual Rush Duels in real life, but I'd assume Duel Links is doing it faithfully. 3 monster zones, 3 spell/trap zones, unlimited Normal Summons, draw until you have 5 cards, one Legend card of each type per deck, and Maximum monsters.
>>730767987I thought lorcana was mtg
>>730767987Modern Yugioh is the most unfun bullshit ever and is propped up entirely by whales.
Yugioh needs a proper control deck. Something that is built to repeatedly tell the opponent "No" until drawing their one-of 500 ATK monster and beginning the 16 turn beatdown. Once it becomes a game where that is viable it can start developing real complexity.
>>730777301Why would you want the blue cancer to spread?
>>730767987no one knows the rules of pokemon so this can't be true.
where does this land?
>>730777535hyper autist/gay retarded shipperfag tier
>>730777535sex with cookies
>>730777301In YGO Spirit Caller my favourite deck was exactly that.
>>730777468For the mirror. The glorious beauty of the control mirror, peak expression of skill and depth in a children's card game. A battle of wits as you and your opponent have to anticipate each other's moves, bluff and deduce the cards in hand, carefully measure which potential wincons you can allow to resolve or use to bait out interaction, knowing when to switch the plan from damage to letting your opponent deck out from their own attempts to gain card advantage. And after that tense hour of careful planning where a single misstep means defeat you begin sideboarding for game two.
I have no idea how anyone can play a card game that was never meant to be an actual card game and still makes no real effort to become a card game after three decades.
>>730775623asking the real questionskonami would release a series of trap and magic cards decades after the card's original publishing to chronicle his journey he fucking fails and becomes the skull servant
>>730771614It has a good endboard but is very fragile to handtraps and can't really come back once stopped in early.
>>730767987Yugioh has a high barrier to entry, but once you breach it the game becomes incredibly easy to understand. Many things have become streamlined and a lot of decks are hyper consistent or have a clear line of play so navigating to your endboard and interacting with your opponent are easy once you understand basic rulings and general rule of thumb. Not only that a lot of esoteric things that would come up in the past have been phased out. You will almost never have to understand stuff like "missing the timing", battle step substeps, deck verification, or the new player kryptonite aka pendulum.I actually think understanding Magic's deeper intricacies is much more daunting than yugiohs too, but the basics of the game is much easier to delve into.
What the fuck is lorcana?
>>730767987I play a lot of Yu-Gi-Oh, but at this point I only do it via Master Duel or an app that automatically solves order of execution per the rules. Playing with friends in person is fun but the number of times we have to pause to make sure we're not illegally stepping over each other can be a bit of a pain.
>>730769136Good. The deckboxes can get massive enough, i cant imagine having to lug around a fucking shredder too just to play ygo.
>>730767987Modern card games sucks because you have to learn every single deck to know their choke points.
>>730779589Disney IP card game
>>730779524Do yugioh decks have multiple lines or is it always assembling the combo and protection?
Lorcana is neat, they did a pretty good job having the recognizable Disney cartoon cast rotate through like 50 different variants like Pie Thrower Donald, Pirate Daisy, Funky Spelunky Minnie, Dancing Clarabelle, etc
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>>730769136I mean, I -would- have sex with the Supreme Dragon Beast.It's not as fuckable as Trishula tho, cute tri-headed boy
But what about MetaZoo?
I miss when Goblin Guide was the de facto red one drop
>>730767987It's not vidya yet, but how would you power rank Flesh and Blood? It's getting a solid following.
who caresthey cost like $800 / year
>>730780464Have they tapped into any Kingdom Hearts shit yet for this? Seems like a no-brainer to suck up easy money, especially after the final fantasy stuff for Magic.
>>730780705Would sexo many of the Mothman variants.
>>730778361Yugioh's unironically better for it. It somehow manages to be the only "original" mainstream TCG because of it.I'm genuinely exhausted of EVERY SINGLE new TCG either being an MTG clone (usually advertised as being made by ex-WotC employees, as if that's a good thing) or Bandai rehashing their singular formula for the fiftieth time (Digimon's still their best go at it, somehow).Still waiting for literally any other TCG to not have a numerical resource system.
I miss Netrunner...
>>730769136You need "Gay Envoy", "Cum Egg", "Dickslurping Hatchling", "Gaping Anus - The Even Gayer Envoy" and about twelve other cards in the chain between Bitch w/ Her Tits Out and the Supreme Gay Dragon.
>>730768526YGO is hard as fuck to learn AND hard to master. Rulings, memorizing walls of text (and you have to memorize, you don't have time to read shit in Master Duel), memorizing which cards negate so when your opponent dumps his deck into his graveyard you can count how many negates you have to run through before you can actually play, all the different summons, spell speed timings, and how loads of cards interact with each other.
>>730780902It did look pretty cool, but I was(am) too afraid to play TCGs. Have the same problem with more competitive-style boardgames.Love Netrunner's aesthetic.
>>730780798You mean like put Sora in the game? No it's all original Disney IP stuff so far. They barely even dipped into Pixar so far. It's a neat concept though, like say you really love a major character Alice, Stitch, etc there's like 7 (some have 20+) mechanically different cards you can make different decks with while still making ones for stuff that doesnt always get center stage like Black Cauldron, Ducktales, etc
>>730781174Is Darkwing in it?
>>730781248He's got at least 1, Launchpad has a few iirc
>>730780968Shit like this is an argument against YGO's difficulty. Rote memorization isn't hard, every child with a test on Friday can do it. An actually complex game requires critical thinking and adapting to a shifting game state on the fly.
>>730781349Hate to tell you this, but every competitive card game boils down to "Does he have it?" when you're learned enough
>>730781472Sure, but there's still depth in that question. A game where the answer is always to make them have it as soon as possible is shallow. Complexity is a dance where both players try to tease out information, bluffing and analyzing to determine the best path to take and contingencies in case your first guess is wrong. Your opponent does the same, you plan for their response, and so on. A game can be judged by how many times you have to consider if they have it.
Where do I find people to play boomer/5ds era ygo with? Drafting old sets and stuff is fun.
>>730770461Playing on a emulator doesn’t count, that’s like saying you could be a NBA player because you play 2k.
>>730781997https://formatlibrary.com/formats/This website does tournaments for old formats. While I'm not personally on it, I imagine if you join their discord (bottom of the page) you can probably find people to play with.
>>730774687I'm not playing the japanese client with jank english translation that I have to mod in and update manually every time there is new content
