it just doesn't feel retro
>>730770182Good news: It isn't.
Because it's not. Only the desire to shut up a bunch of retards shitting their pants about it got it to have a place on /vr/
>>730770290>>730770326It is, by definition.
>tfw content with PS2 being retro>tfw being content with aging>tfw being content with being an unc
>>730770182It's debatable whether it is or not. I consider it retro but I will never consider PS3 and up retro. That shit is in the category of modern gaming.
>>730770182It is retro, old man. Let it go.
Ps2 is safe retro
>>730770475You're a braindead nigger, by definition.
>>730770182One 500+ reply thread wasn't enough for you?
>>730770640there was more meat on the bone
>>730770157made seconds apart, image is the exact same minus two pixels
>>730770919>left: soul>right: ai slop
>>730770475No it isn't. It's just the beginning of modern.
>>730770919>>730770835why are you posting off topic schizo nonsense?
>>730770975Nope, play the PS2 and you will see it is archaic by today's standards. >>730770556This anon is correct, when you play most PS3 games they are largely designed how games are today.
>>730770684There's was a close concensus as to when the retro/modern divide occured. As for the other persistent troll, there's nothing left to discuss with him. He thinks "retro = X years old" which is objectively false. Nothing to discuss there.
>>730771079>it is archaic by today's standards.How so? I completely disagree btw.
>>730771191can you subjectively define objectivity, and objectively define where the divide between retro and modern occured, or are you too stupid and I win the debate ?
>>730770182look ma, he posted it again
>>730770919There was already a thread like this which hit bump limit. Why are people making more?
>>730771308Why are you screaming in impotent manchild rage and shitting yourself?inb4 seething replies with streams tearing down your face and shit filled diaper
>>730771308If it hit bump limit then why not keep it going?
>>730770182It isnt because gaming since that era hasnt changed in 25 years
>>730770182>up to 480p>iconic emotion engine haze>physical games>offline>oldIt's retro
>>730770182when so many of the games are good, of course it doesn't feel old
>>730771292>[space][punctuation]Not helping your case. What country do you live in that teaches this?
>>730770290So simple, FPBP /thread
>>730771603Look at that emotional outburst, that total lack of composure, look at how humiliated this little bitch is. How small, weak and fragile this "man" is, when confronted by someone stronger and with greater intellect than himself. Mock him, laugh at him, make this filth miserable.
>>730771479Nintendo doesn't count
>>730771308I don't mind. More visibility towards the rejection of the retro=age fallacy is healthy for this topic. There is one specific schizo from /vr/ who dies on this hill and wants to control the narrative.
Why are millennials so scared of getting old?
Could I go down to Wal-mart or Target if I wanted to, and pick up a brand new PS2 and some games like I could a PS5 or Switch 2? When was the last time that was possible again?
>>730771479Can you articulate what this webm is showing that backs up your argument? (You won't, you're a bot)
>>730771767whats good about getting old?
>>730771661Sure.
Anything that specializes in 3D rendering is not retro. 2D rendering and associated hardware is retro.
>>730771826Its pretty self evident anon
>>730771878Last word times infinity!
>>730771839More money, easier jobs.
that renderware look doesn't exist anymore and soon enough indie devs will start trying to recreate it the same way they're copying ps1 horror now. until then the retro cutoff point is ps1 due to said current indie dev tastes and ps2 is not yet retro
>>730771767It's actually zoomers who had the PS2 as their first childhood console shitting bricks at the system being retro.>>730771895N64 and PS1 aren't retro then.
>>730771974Yes.
>>730771895>Sega Saturn isnt retroretrodeniers losing it confirmed
>>730770182Gaming from 00s to 20s = minimal differenceGaming from 80s to 00s = significant differenceThats why it doesnt feel retro.
ps2 really is the best console ever made though it's not close. do you have any idea how many people spread the misinformation that it could only output 30 fps lmfao. dragon ball z budokai tenkaichi 3 at 60 fps it was a dream machine bro. like you can't make it up. i got a ps2 slim for free and i lived on that shit.
>>730772043>Gaming from 00s to 20s = minimal differencewrong, even very early PS3/360 games have a significant design difference, 2008/2009 is where the great shift started, therefore PS2/Xbox/Nintendo SHITcubre ARE retro. cope.
>>730772012Well at least you more straight forward than the autist that thinks retro is some sliding definition that changes when discussing video games.
>>730771767Why do you think I'm scared of getting old?
>>730771974>>730772018Correct, the N64, PS1, and Sega Saturn are not retro, they're just the beginning of modernity
>>730772174Again, I disagree, but at least you're more straight forward than some other retards discussing this.
>>730771915If you can't that's fine. The correct answer is that it is indicative of nothing. You're likely autistic as well.
>>730772128The only signficant difference is microtransactions. So infact games actually got worse KEK
>>730772252hmm, wrong!
>>730770182because it isn't. nor will it ever be. simple as. despite what faggot zoomtarded nigger who don't know what retro (or any words, for that matter) means
>>730771927Sure.>>730772151>retro is some sliding definition that changes when discussing video games.Nobody said that. What makes something retro may not be the same as what makes another thing retro in an entirely different medium. Which is true.
>>730770290fpbpzoomhomogroids seething/thread
Might as well combine the 2 bait threads into one.Please discuss pic related
>>730770975it isn't even the beginning, it's the 3rd generation of modernthe beginning was the cd-i, the 3do, the jaguar, the sega cd, and the tg16cd
>>730772426This isn't a bait thread and if you have difficulty discussing subjective matters then you have autism.
>>730772473It is a bait thread, I made it.
>>730772174>Anon will look at this Sega Saturn game, and will tell you with a straight face it's not retro.
>>730771895zoomers will never be able to understand nor accept this objective truth
>>730772346>What makes something retro may not be the same as what makes another thing retro in an entirely different mediumNo, xir, it doesn't. Again, complete tranny logic that just defiles language.
>>730772457So you're just going to pigeonhole modern as meaning "uses CDs". That's a shallow and unworthy analysis.
>>730771974>N64 and PS1 aren't retro thenCORE-RECT, dumb nigger, thanks for FINALLY realizing that, it only took you HOW MANY threads?
>>730772510I don't see any 3d graphics, so yes, that game is retro-style. That doesn't mean the console the game is being played on is retro.
>>730772601Didn't you also say in the last thread that consoles that use optical media aren't retro, like the Sega CD?
>>730771895>Anything that specializes in 3D rendering is not retroI agree. I think N64 was the start of modern gaming, Dreamcast followed up, and PS2 and Xbox shut the door permanently on retro. 6th gen and on are all modern aesthetic consoles.
>>730772563it's neither a "shallow" nor "unworthy" analysis, it is objective and the truth, seethe cope and dilate, broccolihead
>>730772671correct, because they aren't thanks for finally realizing the truth
>>730772684>7th gen and on are all modern aesthetic consoles.ftfy
>>730772558Nope, not at all. Retro refers to the style of things. The style of cars will be different than the style of consoles. Different medium, different means of defining retro. This is very easy to understand.
>>730772749Ok, just making sure my favorite console from 1988 is still modern.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboGrafx-16#TurboGrafx-CD/CD-ROM%C2%B2
Check out these retro graphics
>>730772671That and the PC Engine CD.No way in hell is a game like Tokimeki Memorial a retro game unless you're specifically playing the cartridge-based Super Famicom version.
>>730772690I disagree. I think the discussion is an all encompassing grouping not entirely related specifically to the media format. At any rate CDs were just a singular aspect of modern hardware.
>>730772750I think it's 6th.
>>730772774>Different medium, different means of defining retro.Nope. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retrohttps://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/retrohttps://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/retroIf you think games 25 years ago are exactly the same now, you're out of touch, as established in the last thread.>>730772946It's not, but you can be wrong
>>730772821retro, in the context of videogames, is NOT a function of time. seethe cope and dilate your perm, broccolimop
>>730770182
>>730772895then you're objectively wrong, because you don't understand what retro means
>>730772982>retro, in the context of videogames, is NOT a function of timeNope, you can stop projecting your troon leanings with how you want to bastardize English to conceal your fear of aging.
Please refer to pic
>>730772972>NopeYup.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retrohttps://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/retrohttps://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/retro>If you think games 25 years ago are exactly the same nowCan you quote where I said that?
>>730772972funny how you zoomgroids refer to the dictionary in the one instance where it's objectively wrongdid i say funny? i meant ironic, go look that one up too while you're there, NIGGER
>>730773038He's right. Retro is a function of stylistic differences. Not a function of time. Age is a function of time.
>>730773045idgaf about aging, that's you, zoomoid hairlinelet, i still have my full hairline, unlike youwhat i do care about is faggot assed retarded zoomgroids trying to historically revision shit in the most retarded way possible
>>730773053in that image, only metal gear 1 is retro, dumb nigger
>>730770182The term retro isn't really relevant since game technology has, for all intents and purposes, completely plateaued.The PS2 is not becoming any more distant from 'modern' tech. The only reason something like the gameboy or whatever is able to be considered retro is because it's vastly different from contemporary gaming tech.At most, the PS2 is just dated.
>>730773174>i still have my full hairline, unlike youNTA same, and I love my life as I've gotten older. I really think this age schizo is projecting hard. He is fucking terrified of aging. I bet he's a NEET who will be homeless when mommy and daddy die.
>>730773230mgs1 can be played without analog sticks. it's retro
>>730773230Not even retro anymore. Showa era games like the original Metal Gear are practically vintage by now.
>>730770290If it's over 20-25 years old it's definitely retro. An entire generation of people have been born and have reached adulthood AFTER it was in popular culture.
>>730773314>The PS2 is not becoming any more distant from 'modern' tech.If you think the PS2 is built the same as modern consoles, you're just showing how retarded you are.
>>730773174>idgaf about aging, that's you, zoomoid hairlinelet, i still have my full hairline, unlike you>continues to maldlol>>730773330>He is fucking terrified of aging.Except I'm fine with PS2 being retro because it's old. What's causing this projection?
>>730773425Retro doesn't refer to age. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>730773081Correct those are the definitions posted that show retro doesn't changing meaning depending on the subject discussed.>Can you quote where I said that?You keep implying that with "style", which means kinds of games developed.
>>730773369It was intended to be played with the Dualshock. Not retro.
>>730773497>Except I'm fine with PS2 being retro because it's oldRetro doesn't refer to age, it's a commentary on the all encompassing style and aesthetics of things from the past, so you're wrong.
>>730773639>Retro doesn't refer to ageIt does.>it's a commentary on the all encompassing style and aesthetics of things from the pastThis meme again. Point to a definition or source that backs up your point. Otherwise, that's just tranny logic, further proving you're wrong and clearly wrong.
>>730773583>retro doesn't changing meaning depending on the subject discussed.Yes it factually does. Retro is a subjective analysis of "things". What makes cars retro is different than what makes the video game medium retro. It's all subjective. How can't you understand this?
>>730773701>It doesIt doesn't.>This meme againThat's the definition of retro by the textbook. >Point to a definition or source that backs up your point.Websters dictionary.>you're wrong and clearly wrong.I maintian that I'm correct until proven wrong.
>>730773629Character likenesses could only be properly shown with 2D art. Retro
>>730773746>My argument for why this thing is OBJECTIVELY not retro is based on SUBJECTIVITY that this word doesn't even imply So everything you've been arguing for has no merit and just based on what you think is correct, and that's on top of getting the word wrong.>>730773834>That's the definition of retro by the textbook.Post it.>Websters dictionary.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro>relating to, reviving, or being the styles and especially the fashions of the past If you think the PS2 is the same stylistically as a PS5 game, that just proves you're out of touch and you don't actually follow games at all.>I maintian that I'm correct until proven wrong.You have been. Your stubborness is proof you're autistic.
>>730773930>Character likenesses could only be properly shown with 2D artThe models use textures. If your argument is "any game with 2D assets is retro" then that includes PS2 games since many middle market games like Disgaea used 2D art for portraits.
>almost 800 posts later>still no evidence shown proving ps2 is le retro
Its retro, deal with it, I played shit since the atari days but ps2 feels retro as fuck
>>730773937>So everything you've been arguing for has no merit and just based on what you think is correct,Welcome to subjective matters 101. Take a seat.>If you think the PS2 is the same stylistically as a PS5 game, that just proves you're out of touch and you don't actually follow games at all.What makes you think PS2 is so drastically stylistically different from PS5 that it's foreign and outdated? You skipped your argument and went straight to insulting me.
>>730774164I played it and it isn't retro. It feels modern. When I pick up a SNES controller I'm thrown into an entirely different era with different controls, different software mediums, different hardware offerings, different genres, everything is retro.
If it doesn't had HDMI I consider it Retro and my definition is changing to anything that was 720p or less
>>730774343That's shallow and lacks analysis. Retro is an all encompassing style, not a singular aspect.
>>730774209>Welcome to subjective matters 101.Concession accepted. You wasted time trying to force an objective concentrate definition about something using arguments that amount to "feels">What makes you think PS2 is so drastically stylistically different from PS5 that it's foreign and outdatedVisuals are clearly several generations older than modern games in terms of effects and model complexityRequires analog output, can't even hook up to a modern displayGames require no patches or installsEarly games barely or didn't use the right stick at allAll the games are on a storage medium, no digital purchasesYou can whine it isn't retro, but it is.
>>730774450How old are you and why do you care if people consider the ps2 retro?
>>730770182Why the fuck are you losers so afraid of the PS2 being a Retro console? Are you afraid of death? You want to continue feeling young when you're like 40? What is it boomer-kun? The older the PS2 the closer you come to death's door...
>>730774484>Visuals are clearly several generations older than modern games in terms of effects and model complexity>Requires analog output, can't even hook up to a modern display>Games require no patches or installs>Early games barely or didn't use the right stick at all>All the games are on a storage medium, no digital purchasesSo you DO understand and are able to discuss the topic of retro as it relates to the video game medium? See? Was that so hard? I'm glad I taught you and you were able to understand that retro doesn't mean age, retro means stylistic differences, as you clearly just understood and demonstrated in a coherent argument. BRAVO!However I disagree and I put the 6th gen and onward as modern.We actuall had a breakthrough. Incredible for you.
>>730774507I'm 37 and I enjoy discussing this topic. How old are you and why do you care if people don't consider the PS2 retro? >>730774534I'm not afraid, tranime. I just have a different opinion than you.
>>730770629Crazy Frog had a PS2 game? That's whack.
>>730774932Im 37 too, but I try to "let go" stuff, maybe that's why I just consider it retro, played enough back in the day.
>>730774880And you're objectively wrong, as it's retro.
>>730774932>I'm 37 and I enjoy discussing this topic.He asked "why do you care if people consider the ps2 retro?". You didn't answer that part.
>>730770182>it just doesn't feel retroYeah, well, it is.t. 42 yo uncDon't let your door hit your ass on your way off page 10.
>>730774932The only reason you don't want the PS2 to be "retro" is because you're afraid of getting old and dying. You want to continue feeling young. There is nothing to "discuss" there is no logical reason why the PS2 isn't a "retro" console. It's just your emotions.
>>730775071I disagree. I think it's not retro, but I'm glad you learned that retro =/= age, and you will never again enter these threads with such nonsense. Actually you will, I gurantee it. You're dishonest to your core. Like shutter island, tomorrow you will forget this ever even happened and go right back to screeching about how retro = age.
>>730775324>The only reason you don't want the PS2 to be "retro" is because you're afraid of getting old and dying.Well that's false, obviously. I have no issues with my age, or death. My soul is at peace. I embrace the future and everything it brings. Why are you so afraid of getting older?
>>730775386>guarantee-100 rupees have been deducted from your account
>>730775496Sure.>>730775135I care because I have a different opinion and enjoy discussing it.Why do you get so angry, insulting, and even violent, when someone says that retro =/= age?
>>730775386>but I'm glad you learned that retro =/= ageNope, it does. Point to what I posted here as being "subjective" >>730774484Every one of those qualifications is a byproduct of the PS2 itself, which was released a quarter century ago.>you will never again enter these threads with such nonsense. Actually you will, I gurantee it. You're dishonest to your core. And now you've been reduced to insults you can't even spell anymore.>retro = ageIt is. Literally everything I posted in support of it being retro is an observable fact. Here's another: The system was made with bespoke hardware as opposed to off the shelf computer parts like modern consoles are now.>>730775617>Why do you get so angry, insulting, and even violentYou just called me dishonest at my core. You're definitely brown.
If retro is a synonym for old (which it isn't, but whatever), then everything that is not new is retro. Which means that the PS4 is as much retro as the Colecovision is retro. Good job, retards.
>>730775705>If retro is a synonym for old (which it isn't, but whatever),
>>730775668>Nope, it doesNope. It doesnt.>Literally everything I posted in support of it being retro is an observable fact.You didn't mention age. If retro = age. And PS2 is retro as you state. How was PS2 retro without you mentioning how old it was? Don't answer, you're objectively wrong about what retro means. It's ok.
The PS2 is such a shitty console that's why SONY can't give us a fucking PS2 Classic like they did with the PS1 Classic. Whenever you think about trying to do anything to that console you're slapped in the face with limitation. Meanwhile the Original Xbox was limitless with potential and power the PS2 wishes it had. And no, this isn't about games library. But got damn I wish the Original Xbox had PS2's game library simply because of the better hardware.
>>730775862Sar, let me redeem the needful step by step for you>You didn't mention age. If retro = age.It does. And it's "old" and therefor, "retro", because it hits a number of criteria.>Visuals are clearly several generations older than modern games in terms of effects and model complexity>Requires analog output, can't even hook up to a modern display>Games require no patches or installs>Early games barely or didn't use the right stick at all>All the games are on a storage medium, no digital purchases>The system was made with bespoke hardware as opposed to off the shelf computer parts like modern consoles are nowThat should help your ESL poo brain understand it.>How was PS2 retro without you mentioning how old it was? Because that's been already stated. The criteria I listed is proof of how "old" it is, hence why it's "retro"That's my answer, which is objectively correct.
>PS2 using DVD>not retro The fuck are you niggers smoking? >PS2 uses 1.0 USB ports>56k modern/Broadband InternetYeah the fuck are you niggers smoking. This shit is old as fuck Yeah, the fuck is w
>>730776035>It doesIt doesn't.>And it's "old" and therefor, "retro"Retro doesn't mean age.>That should help your ESL poo brain understand it.Not really. You didn't mention how old it was. Not clear at all. Also, I'm whiter, smarter, and better than you in every way, mud.
>>730776161>PS2 uses 1.0 USB portsYou should've been in the earlier thread where some retard claimed it using USB 1.1, a standard from 1998, doesn't make it retro.
>>730776201>Retro doesn't mean age.It does.>Not really. You didn't mention how old it was. Not clear at all. I literally just said the criteria I listed is proof of it being old and retro, Rakesh. You only redeem yourself negative izaat sar.>Also, I'm whiterHand, now.
>>730776234I'm pretty sure these threads are the same uncs who just want to talk about the good ol days via emotion. Pun intended get it? Emotion Engine? PS2? haha..... ha... *crickets*
>>730770508>tfw born after the ps3 launched>still grew up with the ps2 because we were poor
>>730776161thisits like saying 5th gen isnt retro
>>730770182name a few games to add to my "play next" list after: jak and daxter 1 and shadow of the colossus. i tried to play sly cooper but i think the anti piracy shit is mega fucking with my game. i have a 1.5tb drive with a shitton of games plugged in with HDD adapter.
>>730776563Try these.
>>730776408>It doesIt doesn't. When I asked you why you thought PS2 was retro you didn't mention age at all and you started listing stylistic differences. Sorry.>is proof of it being oldNope! You posted different styles as proof of it being from the past. Exactly as I said. Exactly as webster says. Learn to take an L, mud vegan.
>>730776479Not to mention it comes with Composite Cables out the box for CRTVs and the games looks like shit on modern tvs. These uncs are delusional as hell
>>730776563play the Ps2 ace combats.
>>730776653>you started listing stylistic differencesBecause they show its age.You still haven't posted your hand.
>over 20 years old>didn't even have hdmi at launchyep, it's retro
>>730776776>Because they show its age.No, you posted it to show it's retro. You were trying to prove it was retro, dumbfuck. You weren't trying to prove its age. If you were trying to prove its age then. You. Would. Have . Listed. Its. Age. DUMBFUCK. Take. The . L
>>730776814PS2 uses composite cable100000000000% retro
>>730776857Uh oh, Rakesh is having a meltyPost. Your. Hand.
>>730771272There's not a unified control scheme for many games, is what I would say.
>>730776931Your turn
>>730777007AHAHA I KNEW IT SHITSKIN
>>730776931>>730777007Waiting
>>730777167My turn to reply? Here.PS2 is retro
>>730776623Nice list. I'd add R-Type Delta and The Red Star to it.
>>730777238Your turn mud
>>730777260My turn what? Here's another (you)
>>730777256>DeltaWhoops.FINAL*Sorry
if you could drop the game as a bramd new release nowadays without any core changes to the gameplay then it's not retro
>>730777778so Star Ocean 2 HD isn't retro confirmed!!!!
>>730777884i meant as a full price major release, even with AAA presentation you couldn't release it in 2026 with the actual gameplay completely intact
>this is retroit just ain't right fellas
>>730773547The definition is "a style/imitation/thing from the recent PAST". The past denotes TIME/AGE.What definition are you using?
>>730778439that is a xbox 360 screenshot though, ps2 doesn't support normal maps unless some heavy cpu trickery is used, zoomers are so fucking dumb they stick out like sore thumb in discussions like these.
>>730770182that's because you're 30+>>730770290It absolutely is
>>730779592it's a fucking 21 year old game
>>730779557You're an idiot, and that's ok. I'll teach you something new right now. If retro was defined as "a style from rome" that means retro is a style. That doesn't mean retro is rome. Do you follow, or are you retarded?
>>730779557Anon, he's a shitskin >>730777007He can't read.
>>730771767You will be too nigger
>>730779768Sure.
>>730773369retro isn't a function of "does it use analog sticks or not" either mgs1 is 2nd generation modern
>>730773497old != retroretro != oldnot that a broccolimop nigger would ever be able to understand
