Wait, the people who made a p2w server on minecraft ended up making a game that's going to have mods gated behind paywalls? No way!

>>730788650
i simply won't buy them, easy

pay up piggy, buy your hytale coins and support modders

Simon please add a subscription service that allows using all mods free as long as your subscribed it's gonna be the best way <3

Simon add a subscribe button and my wife is yours!

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>>730788650
>10 years in development
>"Give us some time to figure everything out :)"

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>>730788650
>suspect many mods will be free
this nigga for real ?

>>730788650
Every big game has paid mods you retard

>>730788650
I cannot think of a community that need to be forced away from free mods as much as Hytale.

>>730789826
what paid mods does GOTY expedition 33 have ?

>>730788650
>mod authors should NOT be allowed monetary compensation, only multimillion dollar companies like hypixel should be allowed
>mod authors should NOT be given recognition, they should be put into auto-installing modpacks to save me 5 minutes
>can someone from india please replace mod authors with an llm trained from the code of mod authors
this seems fair and sustainable, fellow /v/spastics

>>730789998
You pay porn artists to make art of Maelle, Lune and Sciel. Sounds like paid mod to me

>>730789731
Average indie experience

>>730790105
>there will NOT be any field left as a hobby free of monetization
Kill yourself

>>730790357
>You pay porn artists to make art of Maelle, Lune and Sciel. Sounds like paid mod to me
That's because you're a retard.

>>730790476
>i'm not a scummy goy, i'm just taking a noble stance against-
>awOOOOOGA IS THAT A CURSEBREAKER FOUNDER'S EDITION ZOGSKIN FOR ONLY $80USD

>>730790629
I despise such things, your strawman has no effect on me. Games should cost a flat amount, derivative content of all kinds should be free.

who cares about another minecraft copy?

>>730790673
>i'm not butthurt about getting called out, i just have a hyperspecific nonsense stance against you that i made up 5 minutes ago

>>730790759
>no you NEED to fit my strawman YOU HAVE TO ITS NOT FAIR
Kill yourself

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>>730788650
same as it ever was

>>730788650
>can't have 1/10000 Chance for Withered Foxy Jumpscare Every Second mod without paying jews
Unfinished garbage

>>730790776
are you going to boycott hypixel or do your punishments only extend to mod authors?

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Reminder this is what /v/ is lining up for.
>inb4 replies arguing why this is actually good gameplay
And people said mods would fix the game, but they're paid kek

>>730791291
I feel no need to buy this shitty minecraft clone regardless.
Boycott driven vote-with-your-wallet arguments are hollow, controlled opposition bullshit though and you should again kill yourself for your retarded little jewish tricks. Outrage and active community disruption are the only effective tools for stopping something from happening, not "just dont buy it lol"

>>730791332
How is this bad gameplay?

>>730791392
what outrage and active community disruption have you caused except to shit on creatives and try/fail to debate a well-meaning person on 4chan

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>>730791452
Are you fucking joking?

>>730791332
Literally the best gameplay I have ever seen I am not even kidding

>>730791513
Didn't answer my question, so what's bad about it?

>>730791510
What else would you expect?
This is a terrible move and should not be supported. I will express this on the forum which I regularly talk about my hobby. This is not some fringe, hypocritical thing to do, regardless of how you frame it.

>>730788650
okay I'm confused as to why people say this is bad
is it because some people who would normally make free mods will instead start selling them so there'll be less free mods?

>>730791332
Why are there hitmarkers?

>>730791747
the only reason you're here on a thread about a game you don't even care about (lmao), was because i mocked /v/ wanting to deny modders of all forms of compensation, recognition and integrity
now you say you don't even follow the made-up hot take you came up with 5 minutes ago
kek

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>>730791332
wasting your breath, anons genuinely think this combat looks good as they're utter retards

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>>730791513
Are you fucking joking?

>>730791869
Modders shouldn't be compensated, they make shit products in their free time and should be reminded that their product is shit at every opportunity.
This is why we have so much unreal engine slop, because people believe their time is worth anything when their end product is shit.

>>730790105
Modders did it for free for decades. Why are they suddenly now entitled to compensation?

>>730792057
It was never easier to make a real game. Why bother fucking around with some proprietary engine with its own quirks and limitations and not even get paid for it?

>>730792057
the grifter economy

>>730791332
What is this supposed to look bad compared to

>>730791747
NOOOOO you NEED to update the mod NOW you BENCHOD wtf the major patch just happened 3 minutes ago, where is the update to your mod?????? you bitch???? it's abandoned and i will now unsubscribe and leave a scathing review. helloooo are you going to make this mod compatible with this other niche mod that has like 2 followers BASTARD????? NO i will not give you ANY MONEY you must do this for FREE SAAR

>>730791980
can you please explain why you wasted everyone's time debating me over random inactionable nonsense you made up, when you could just have said you hate modders

>>730792057
>y-you did it for free before. you MUST do it for free forever without recognition while indians/chinese try to steal your code
>no i do NOT care that you now provide 80% of the game's content

>>730791869
And I'm mocking you for actively calling for one of the only hobby spaces left on the internet to be hollowed out
>>730792234
waitchads will inherit the earth

>>730792236
Sounds like a shit game if you only get 20% of it before needing to buy DLC("""""mods""""")

>>730792236
>Let me be hyperbolic
I said modders product is shit, no actually good product ever came from modders. Only when mods were bought by big companies do we get high quality products. Why would I pay for shit product?

>>730791332
That's just Skyrim but worse. What's wrong with zoomoids?

>>730792434
They don't know any better. The Internet was already ruined with monetization by the time they got onto it. Nobody does anything for fun anymore, it's all to get paid.

>>730792236
>Use mostly tools provided by developers
>Use code mostly provided by developers
>Need to have a code base created by developers to mod in the first place
If modders had any ounce of actual creativity they'd be making games. And it turns out some of the best game devs got their start making mods.

>>730788650
>Not taking a %
....for the first 2 years
.........unless we change our minds

>>730791948
good combat = swooshy animations
bad combat = simple animations

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>Completely voluntary that isn't predatory because Hypixel isn't taking a cut
What's wrong with this fucking retard?
>>730788792
>Hypixel
>p2w
Fuck off retard cunt tourist. Hypixel is just a bunch of random mini games and an mmo, majority of the ranks are for cosmetics, vast majority. Not really p2w on the mmo either, what you actually buy isn't even worth much and that's still mostly cosmetic, which the players who actually play the game (unlike you, retard) decide the price.

>>730792434
And just like in Skyrim, mods will never fix the shitty simplistic combat.
Mind you, the combat in Skyrim appears to be several layers deeper than Hytale.

>>730792369
>>730792363
>the entire gaming industry is collapsing so i will blame whoever's easier to target and punish
mod authors are no longer doing it for free
they WILL start requesting compensation
you WILL be mad about it

>>730792528
>And just like in Skyrim, mods will never fix the shitty simplistic combat.
Why does this board uniquely have the most retarded people in it? Modded skyrim combat is easily better than Witcher 3 (if you want it to be) and actually pretty good if ultramodded. Was the last time you checked out a mod 10 years ago?

>>730792526
>he doesn't know
Why are zoomies so fucking retarded and yet they speak as if they're not. We should call them the Dunning-Kruger generation.

>>730792526
>defending Hypixel this aggressively
holy shit actual shill post right there
Yes, Hypixel Skyblock is P2W with a direct correlation to irl money spend giving you in-game wealth.

>>730792564
>the entire gaming industry is collapsing so don't look at the thing i am invested in!
What makes you think you're so special?

>>730792628
?

Can one of you retards explain to me why this is bad outside of some bizarre (if somewhat justified) schizophrenic hatred of modders

>>730792482
You have no idea what you're talking about.

hywho?

>>730792617
I've played the server you spastic retard. Blow your brains out for speaking like an authority you know fuck all about
>>730792621
What you can get with real life money, vs. what you can get with 20 hours of grinding, would cost the same as if you worked a minimum wage job. Just getting in-game currency doesn't make it p2w dumb retard gorilla vantablack. Also haven't played that server in years I paid like 20 bucks to get like 500 dollars worth of currency outside their system

>>730792604
Witcher 3 has shit combat, just about on par with Skyrim. Don't know why you think W3 is like THE game to beat when it comes to action.

>>730792709
>spending real money as a shortcut to progress faster is not pay 2 win
you cannot be this retarded

>>730788650
>20 years ago
>lots of cool, fun, free games on flash game sites
>now
>those same games and game ideas are $5~15 on Steam
I hate it, bros. Same energy from paid mods.

paid mods means proprietary mods and that is not acceptable

>>730791452
Back at the peak of minecraft big servers (including hypixel) would make minigames that were terrible shameless ripoffs of other big games like CoD or Smash Bros. This reminds me of that except with Dark Souls or something. Yes minecraft combat is shitty and absolutely baby-mode and always has been but no one plays it for combat and making it 10% less stupid just makes people wonder why they're playing minecr....ERRR....hytale in the first place instead of literally any game with actual good PvE.

>>730792764
why not

>>730792709
The EULA update of 2015 was exactly because Hypixel had predatory monetization and was extremely p2w. Notch stepped in and told them to stop that or fuck off, so Simon threw a sissy fit, reworked monetization in accordance to the updated EULA and began work on the Minecraft killer.
You're the spastic retard who doesn't know shit about the subject, go suckstart a shotgun.

>>730792787
Because I'm not cattle.

>>730792763
make your own games then
only multimillion dollar DEI corporations deserve money and indies are just entitled people who do nothing you can't do

Any game that released with A.) The intent of being modded by the users and B.) Monetization for those mods will not last very long.
The moment you allow an easy method of making money for mods is the moment you stop having people who mod the game for fun. You'll have a billion poos and chinkoids churning out slop taking advantage of the favorable USD > shitty 3rd world currency conversion plus autistic tryhards that think their shitty tech mod is the hottest thing ever and that it's worth $5 a user.

>>730792885
Every single indie game I bought was a complete scammed and is in a perpetual "early access 2 more updates until the final version". Indie games are a meme.

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>>730792756
>Needing to spend literal thousands and thousands of dollars to get what you can grind for free over consistently playing it the same amount as any other live service game
Yes dumb retard, p2w means pay to win. Do you know what words mean you retard jeet? Do you even know how little the currency they give you translates to in-game money? You get fucking nothing. That's why people pay people to do irl trades where they get a WAY better price and undercut Hypixel. The value for the in-game currency is the worst I've played in any MMO personally at least, and even more, there's dozens of systems that you can't p2w. Tell me how you can p2w powder grind which is one of the worst slogs to get through? Fucking retard cunt
>>730792853
>Minecraft cracked down for money and used predatory monetisation as an excuse
The fact you don't know that this was never about Hypixel and the hundreds of actual predatory p2w servers. Tell me what p2w hypixel has fucking had back in 2015 sped, it's a party game server.
>Notch
I don't actually remember whether he was there but I guessed he might not have been, and you're a retard. He was never there, hence you don't know shit and should kill yourself today
>Simon
You don't look like you know more because you know the devs name, fucking spastic. You're just looking for shit to get mad at and this time it's company behind the big game of the month. You won't reply in good faith but I've already blown you out enough

Somebody should make a minecraft clone with absolutely no ambitions towards modability whatsoever

>>730792689
Hytale is the enemy of the week, and content farmers are using everything and anything as engagement bait.

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>>730792782
>Back at the peak of minecraft big servers (including hypixel)
Notch was right though, it's scumbag behavior to ask for money on your minecraft server, also it's why a lot of games have clauses in place that you cannot make money off of mods when they still had mod support, money sucks the fun out of everything and makes games worse and companies lose control when SJW trannies with shitty mods try to force or push it onto game developers like WoW or RS as example where you're basically "forced" to use those mods otherwise you get a worse gaming experience, it's a race to the bottom.

>>730792689
Because this developer's prior work was a freemium Minecraft server, and the entire reason this game exists is because Minecraft's terms of service were updated specifically to disallow their severe monetization.

>>730790105
giving a donation to a mod maker is fine if the mod is that good, otherwise fuck you.

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>>730792526
God this game's been indev for so fucking long that people forget why it even exists.

Back in pre-2015 (or whenever it was) most minecraft servers were extremely predatory and P2W, and Hypixel was one of the biggest. Ranks gave you access to "kits" that often made you basically unkillable by anyone stuck using the free shit. Then Mojang cracked down on these servers and banned selling anything other than cosmetics. Demand for ranks crashed (MVP+ used to cost $150) and server owners were pissed, and Hypixel soon after started developing Hytale as a minecraft clone that he could monetize outside of Mojang's jurisdiction.

Then after years he gave up and sold out to Riot, who later also gave up and sold it back to him, and now he's shitting out a half-assed "early access" build just to finally make some cash off it with an eye toward Roblox-ifying it in the future if it does well enough.

>>730793032
>GTA Online isn't pay to win because you can TECHNICALLY obtain all that stuff in-game via grinding
Nah, fuck off retard. This is the same weasely tactic Hypixel used to get away with a small slap on the wrist from the EULA changes.

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>>730792782
>p2w is peak minecraft

>>730793078
Creating a society of panhandlers and beggars is a pretty large cost with unforeseen negatives that isn't really worth the price of allowing creators to accept "donations".

>>730793093
The worst grind in the game is literally behind things you cannot pay for. Money is actually not crazy important because at least when I played, the most money was made by grinding (which you got for an initial investment). Inflation has been such a big problem that yes, the currency is worth fuck all. Can you address the dozens of systems you can't progress with in-game currency now retard? How about the worst grind in the game? Can you just use in-game currency and get past it?

>>730792964
Actually scratch that. With the release of Silksong, Team Cherry are the only ones who didn't kike me, ironically. I still need to get around to play that game.

>>730793032
>Tell me what p2w hypixel has fucking had back in 2015
Off the top of my head a Survival Games kit that gave you an invincible fucking horse that let you escape any fight you didn't want to deal with. Pretty sure it was rank-locked but might've been a "technically anyone can unlock it as long as they grind 10k hours :^)" thing.

>>730788650
They aren't "mods" if you have to buy them from the publisher. They're just paid content like any other expansion, pack, or microtransaction. The entire premise of mods is that it's a 3rd party modifying the game.

Is this the new discord raid or something? 80% of the mods are free on curse on better websites, there's already a pseudo give humanoid monsters big tit mods on the best modding forum. Its a nothing burger.

>>730792964
triple-a games are less fun and just as unfinished, you're just buckbroken and can now only punish normal people you think you can reach
fun fact: most violence happens towards friends and loved ones, the people we love most yet always the most accessible

>>730793090
What the fuck is that hairline lmao

>The dev guys are getting paid, the store guys are getting paid, the shareholder guys are getting paid EVERY FUCKING BODY IS GETTING PAID AND YOU LOOK THROUGH ME? YOU FUCK
some modder is probably saying this and his right

>>730793170
>the existing p2w was ok as there's even worse grinding elsewhere on Hypixel that isn't p2w!
lol
>at least when I played
Did you even play back in 2015? Shit was egregious back then. There's a reason mojang specifically sent Hypixel a warning alongside only a handful of other servers during the EULA changes. Hypixel was breaking EULA and exploiting children for money (or rather their parents' wallets)

>>730793256
/v/ just wants shit to get worse for everyone out of contrarianism

>>730793257
The real secret is that there are no good games anymore. AAA being shit too does not excuse indies for being lazy and Hebrew.

>>730793257
Last game I played people would consider AAA I think it's Elden Ring. I've found that AA games or small "indie" studios but with a publisher of sorts that push them along offer the most fun.

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>>730788650
>>730788792
>>730792526

>>730793090
Based historian. Seek truth from facts.

>>730793090
You haven't played any servers if you think Hypixel is predatory. One thing I love about you people is that you want everything free, aka, to progress you need to waste your life and play 10 hours a day. I hate p2w too but honestly grind f2p FOMO is much worse. Get fucking real
>don't mention the factions servers
>don't mention the pixelmon and cobblemon servers up today that are so blatantly p2w they made the jew factions servers put to shame
>don't mention that Hypixel for most of its lifespan didn't even have the mild p2w mmo(if you can call a game where its biggest grinds can't be progressed with paying hypixel as in-game currency is not as valuable as you think)
>it was a fucking party game ffs
It is what it is tho
>>730793237
>blatant lying
I remember playing the sky wars thing around that same time period, it was not p2w and that was their most popular game mode. I do kinda remember the kits as well but they were piss easy to unlock. Never felt scammed and I was completely p2w, maybe you were just a talentless retard who can't beat kids in games using their mums credit card?
>>730793307
>Did you even play back in 2015? Shit was egregious back then. There's a reason mojang specifically sent Hypixel a warning alongside only a handful of other servers during the EULA changes. Hypixel was breaking EULA and exploiting children for money (or rather their parents' wallets)
MUH EULA. Did you skip over the fact you said Notch was behind that when that's clearly a fucking lie? On one hand Hypixel is still p2w but Mojang cracked down, that's why this place is retarded. Bunch of vantablack tourists who only read an article at best when they heard how big Hytale was, so they can shit on it, which is fine, but at least do it in a way where you don't look retarded
>>730793425
This currency does not save you as much time as you think. I would argue 75% of the game was locked behind grind and progress outside of spending real money. Feel free to argue that, u cant

>>730793425
He'll just claim that paying irl money for Skyblock gems isn't pay 2 win (even though it is)

>>730793357
the secret is the world is full of incredible works by indies who have more than earned your love and support (and that doesn't mean a thumbs up on a mod site)
but you already know that, don't you
>>730793367
a bit reductive but, honestly, the closest to a fair take i've heard from corposimps

>>730793497
>Did you skip over the fact you said Notch was behind that when that's clearly a fucking lie?
I didn't mention Notch even once, you're talking to more than one anon. Notch left mojang in like 2012. The reality is Hypixel undeniably had p2w and had to scale it back, and afaik they still have minor p2w elements in the form of those skyblock gems.
>but you barely progress from what you get!
doesn't matter how little of an advantage it gives you, it is still a paid advantage and therefore p2w in essence.

What the Hypixel guy did was very Jewish so I don't have trust in that he'll be able to make a good game without it being a rip-off of Minecraft.

>>730793554
For every good indie game, there is a AAA that is equally good and a thousand shitty early access asset flip indies not worth anyone's time.

>>730788650
>paid mods
It's happening again! I wish I still had the webM

>>730788650
This was mainly an issue on Steam/Bethesda due to the completely fucked revenue sharing, the completely broken base game that was only functional due to mods and the lack of any moderation.
>>730792057
People provide many things for free, this does not mean that every service should be provided for free.
>>730792390
>Why would I pay for shit product?
Then don't pay for it.

>>730793605
oh sorry, i didn't realise we were trading irrelevant vibed-up statistics

>>730793497
>Buy bunch of booster cookies with real money
>sell then to bazaar
>get ton of money in-game
>be better than everyone because you paid with real money.
That's the definition of pay2win

>>730792482
UNDERSPACE 1.0 SOON

>>730793647
You're the one who immediately started defending indie games as a whole by deflecting away from them. The truth is, video games are shit.

Dead on arrival.
Why would you play this game instead of just modded Minecraft?

>>730793590
You have one nigga telling me Hypixel is still p2w, one retard who said Notch was behind the Eula (that retard must have left out of embarrassment) and then there is someone saying it was cracked down on. Just crazy lol
>doesn't matter how little of an advantage it gives you, it is still a paid advantage and therefore p2w in essence.
>in essence
Thanks for the concession. Anyway you aren't insufferable like that other retard, but you could also be less annoying if you just said this is your opinion. I somewhat agree with you, I hate p2w but I hate fomo f2p slog grind more. Either way Hypixel is a bad example because I remember specifically wishing it was more p2w so I could pay some third worlders 20 bucks to do an irl trade and save myself hours of grinding, but you can't. It is actually one of the more well balanced where you can't just insta get end game like you want, and at the time the way to make money was mining, which caused so much inflation they had to economists to fix it. That was not caused by whales, lol.

>>730793497
>an actual hypixel shill post
lemao the pajeets at least try to be subtle about it buy you're just so bad

>>730793497
>uhm acktshually it's not p2w and everybody is lying help me simonman!!!
Go to reddit or discord where you can ban the heckin trolls, you won't convince anybody here.

why are paid mods a problem?? i don't mind them, how am i supposed to feed my family?

>>730793667
>Retard googled the very first thing related to Hypixel p2w
You know that after the barest, base amount of play time you can get infinite booster cookies that self replenish? Unless you mean spending 10 bucks to get a good headstart is p2w, in which you would be retarded because the vast majority of the game can't be progressed without grinding its specific systems. Tell me how you can p2w powder grinding with booster cookies.
>booster cookies
>ton of money
Lol, fucking retard. They weren't even that expensive, I forgot booster cookies even existed because after a point you get them so easily you don't need to think about it until you need to replenish. This is the problem, I can tell you just looked at a video then or played it maybe once years ago and based your opinion off that.

>>730792934
As the the controversy with bethesda happened with valve back then, the only thing paid mods has proved to work is that people will steal the shit out of other people mods and i DOUBT hytale will want to moderate and be the judge of all this mess

>>730793840
Back in my day, we did this thing when we wanted money called "get a job."

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>>730793632
dw I got you

>>730793828
>The EULA update of 2015 was exactly because Hypixel had predatory monetization and was extremely p2w. Notch stepped in and told them to stop that or fuck off, so Simon threw a sissy fit
Was Notch with them in 2015, fucking retard?

>>730793865
modding is a real jerb

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>check the website
>founder edition is 85 FUCKING DOLLARS
>all it gives are a bunch of pixel art skins like pic related that you could probably all make with AI and touch-ups by an artist in like a week

I'm not super familiar with the game but if this is the first impression, yeah I have no doubt this shit will be monetized to death

>>730792709
>20 bucks to get like 500 dollars worth of currency
>outside their system
>their system
>their system that had 500 dollars worth of currency
Lmao

>>730793718
>y-you're just deflecting away from triple-a games
i'm explaining that your kind only ever seems to treat indies with contempt. i can only explain this as a state of spiritual buckbrokenness.
you know that the world is full of incredible modders and artists, and i know you know that i know, yet your anger and punishments always rest on them and your finances always ever seem to go to gigacorps

>>730791332
Now let's see Minecrafts :)

>>730793850
>spending 10 bucks to get a good headstart is p2w
It is btw.
Literally does not matter if there's other things to grind that cannot be paid for, just having 1 item that you get faster via payment is a p2w infraction.
>played it maybe once years ago and based your opinion off that.
You're half-right as I haven't played on hypixel since 2021, but just because they've changed it since then (presumably?) does not make this any less egregious. I was never arguing whether there its p2w in its current state, only my own prior experience with Hypixel. It used to be horrendous in 2015.

>>730790521
>anon can't detect a joke and calls others retarded

>>730793554
If you'd be willing to share those indie gems, I'd like to check some out. Not like backlog overflowing or anything like that.
Sometimes I think I enjoy finding and buying new games more than actually playing.

>>730793784
>Goycattle think being based in reality is shilling
Kek yeah sure bud
>>730793954
No you paid some third worlders real money to get in-game money that they grinded for free at a way better price than the scam that is buying gems. You would know that if you played the game instead of commentating on something you don't know spastic

>>730793959
Indies are treated with contempt because faggots like you shield them from any criticism. It's common knowledge that AAA is by in large shit, but you pop a gasket the moment anyone directs that same ire toward your precious indies.

>>730793840
yes goyim, monetize everything, let corporate take over so that corporations inevitably slither their way into the last nooks and crannies of community driven projects so that nothing remains yours and everything turns soulless, closed-off and proprietary, let the enshittification consume it all. good cattle

>>730793901
>all it gives are a bunch of pixel art skins like pic related
the thing that these dont understand is that people set value so if the corpo sets a price on it theres no comparison to make but if the company sets a low price to sell it and like steam allows other ppl to make up prices that gives it the ability to go up in price immensely as long as the corp doesnt interfere, same if the item is obtainable outside of buying it, it sets a base value for how much time to waste to get it, but as a base for $85 theres literally no value attached

>>730794030
>just having 1 item that you get faster via payment is a p2w infraction.
You're free to think that, but just know most people and every single game company do not cater to you and think you're retarded

>>730793497
>I do kinda remember the kits as well but they were piss easy to unlock.
>Never felt scammed and I was completely p2w,
Actual Hypixel children that fell for their p2w practices are old enough to post on /v/ now. Remarkable.
Really explains all the praise this dogshit game is getting, actually.

>>730793882
How is that relevant at all?
Doesn't matter if Notch or Jeb or Bill Gates or Trump or Vegeta "stepped in" to hinder scumbags scamming autistic children.
The point is that these guys are very greedy and their motives are questionable.

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>>730793875
It's both hilarious and incredibly depressing that we have an entire demographic of people on the modern internet that outnumber us by the hundreds of millions who unironically do this, and yet are somehow taken seriously enough to not be immediately rangebanned from all English discussion at the same time as if they were some sort of malware. There's no point in even lamenting over the days gone by. We now share the entirety of the internet with people who let cows shit in their face and eat cow shit and rape cows and lizards and whatever has a hole that defecates. Some of these anons in this thread have had this happen to them in their lifetime and didn't think anything of it except that it was a happy moment for them, and we're meant to just engage with them like they're simply one of us. Whose idea was this again?

>>730794089
Any advantage that you can pay for is p2w. Doesn't matter how small it is, doesn't matter how inexpensive it is, it's p2w.

>>730794089
You must be an avid defender of mobile gacha games too, then, as this is fundamentally the same thing. Some people call it "pay 2 access", but it's really just a different flavor of pay 2 win.

>>730794096
Meant to say f2p but yeah, you got wrecked by retarded kids who bought a kit or whatever while I remember never having an issue with any of it and unlocking kits for free. Most of it was cosmetic
>>730794137
>How is that relevant at all?
Hey retard, next time you speak on a subject and pretend to know about it and throw out the popular names associated with it, do a little bit of research so you don't look retarded. Why the fuck would I care about your opinion when you got something that basic wrong? You're the most retarded one here by far

>>730794050
not really. i am a simple balancing force to the endless entitled rage your kind redirects towards modders, artists and other indies (because you know a corp will just throw you into the spam folder)

>>730793959
It's an industrycuck. They're quite common on /co/.

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>>730794039
>No you
Not an argument.

>>730794191
>Meant to say f2p
Sure thing, bucko

>>730794153
sir? what is problem you having?? you can discus with me problem and sound like you do not have argument sir

>>730794209
>endless entitled rage
You mean having standards?

>>730794283
>industrycuck for corps
>"You mean having standards?"
double nigger

>>730794283
no, i do not mean that. what's your native language

>>730794275
:/

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>support their work

>>730794159
If you want fomo free to play grindslop be my guest, im anti p2w as well but when important people look at people like you, they think we're all as retarded as you. A little p2w is inevitable, and there is a lot worse than "hypixel" so you grouping in games that don't abuse its player base to companies like EA you've lost the plot
>>730794262
I accept the concession retard

>>730794191
>Most of it was cosmetic
>most of it
there's the admission of guilt.

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>>730794351
>support their work
pay voice act- i mean modders what they're worth exactly

>>730794334
>>industrycuck for corps
Where? When?

>>730794395
So...nothing?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>730794039
>he doesn't want to pay for imaginary gold in a game? that means he's cattle
loving every laugh
does your boss know you post here?

>>730794395
>only my fav heckin loli-voice seiyuu deserves a good wage, animators should work for a pittance
>i WILL complain about frame counts now the anime industry is breaking apart at the seams
same vibe

>>730794443
Good thing in-game money is useless for like 80% of the content, and there are a dozen other ways to get money easily then retard. Being a retarded broke cunt isn't a personality either, btw.

>>730793742
>I hate p2w but I hate having to actually play the game more!
Lol little faggot gets carried by mommy's credit card. Kill yourself you worthless retard.

>>730790105
game developpers actually create something new
modders rely on other people's work to be able to mod, why should they profit on it when they did nothing to actually make it

>>730794532
So it's not useless?

>>730794579
>Retarded mutt living in poverty has the time to spend 12 hours a day grinding fomoslop but loses his mind at a server that's barely p2w
This is why you mutts will live in poverty btw, you lose way more money for a longer grind by not working or making money or doing something productive. Hence, you're goycattle

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>unicorn modder reverses entire game and ports it to PC or fixes up starfield shitty game for free
>15 year old """"modder"""" replaces 1 texture using a tool an actual modder made or .ini file makes you have to subscribe to their patreon and wants monthly compensation

>>730794702
>>730793742
why even play it if the gameplay is a boring grind??

>>730794532
>you can buy ingame coins for 50 bucks
>but they're useless you know
>but please buy them
LEMAO
is this an official hytale stance regarding their monetization scheme, by the way? are you officially saying that?

>>730794781
What's funny is most paid mods end up simply being models and textures.
Mods that are in depth and add mechanics and are more code than art end up being free.

It's always artfags crying about and wanting to monetise everything.

>>730794961
Artfags are a blight. I can't wait for AI to stop looking like shit.

>>730794838
The free grinds, which were the most rewarding but painfully boring cost me more than a rank I bought for QoL because I could've used the time to learn a skill, or earn money.
>>730794915
>>but they're useless you know
Yep, doesn't really matter what you think, you're a retard deadset wasting their life grinding f2p games not knowing you're still losing money

>>730794961
Even funnier is when the models and textures are just ripped from other games BUT ITS A MOD and small scale so they dont get sued like Gmod/Steam workshop

>>730794781
>heh, yeah, and-
>w-wait, where have these unicorn modders gone
>aren't they grateful i silently played their mod to use them as a strawman against the evil BAD modders in my head
>anyway, this starfield modding scene is dead. time to buy the next edition of skyrim from bethesda to play a 15 year old mod pack

One thing about paid mods is they ruin modlists which is the only way Id wanna mod any game desu.

>>730794961
Because codefags do it for free, because they have a burning passion for the project and as long as we find another fag that's enjoying what we've achieved then it's all gucci. Artfags do it for attention and money. You will find some exceptions from the rule, but this applies 90% of the time.

>>730795096
>you're a retard deadset wasting their life grinding f2p games
You are projecting.
You even admitted yourself that you used to play Hypixel as a f2p player.

>>730793425
>75% of the game was locked behind grind and progress outside of spending real money. Feel free to argue that, u cant
https://hypixel.net/threads/blitz-survival-games-kit-guide-blitz-kit-guide.6024/
>Jun 14, 2013
>385k coins to unlock the best kit
>another 1m to level it up fully
>winning a game without a coin booster got you ~100 coins t. some random old youtube videos
>MVP+ gave you a permanent 5x coin multiplier and you could buy other temporary multipliers that stacked

>>730793505
Haven't played Skyblock in years and don't remember much but I just wandered around the hub for a few minutes and couldn't find anything to buy with "gems" that wasn't a cosmetic.

>>730795148
This.
Most artfags are in it for fame or to add to their portfolio.
Most coders do it for fun or to learn.

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>>730795096
>he actually pays for this shit

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>>730793497
>One thing I love about you people is that you want everything free, aka, to progress you need to waste your life and play 10 hours a day.
ITS A FUCKING VIDEO GAME
IDEALLY THE WAY YOU PROGRESS IS BY PLAYING IT

I'm having fun with the game

>>730795148
Which is funny because artfags claim the opposite kek

>>730791332
>>730791948
You must be taking the piss because this genuinely looks okay. Nothing mind shattering but this is already leagues above Minecraft's combat

>>730795096
>Yep, doesn't really matter what you think, you're a retard deadset wasting their life grinding f2p games not knowing you're still losing money
lmao i don't even play hytale, good job being a retard about it though
you're doing a terrible job btw

>>730795106
>w-wait, where have these unicorn modders gone
for example, one of those modders that made a huge megamod for factorio got hired by factorio devs and worked on the expansion

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>>730795312
>leagues above Minecraft's combat

>>730795157
>You are projecting.
I quit the game a few months in because I realised just how pointless a grindslop MMO is. Every single grind game, p2w, not p2w, does not matter because every single live service game uses psychological tactics to get you to waste your life on it. I don't give a fuck if the company is cometic only, they're still predatory. Too bad the retards on this board can't actually critically think and only care about knee-jerk reactions
>f2p player.
I paid for a rank purely for QoL, you basically can't progress most of the systems using in-game currency (which is the only way you can p2w)
>>730795246
>IDEALLY THE WAY YOU PROGRESS IS BY PLAYING IT
Yep, people here haven't played Hypixel, let alone any fucking games. The point of these predatory live service games is that you literally cannot progress without spending 6 hours a day on it, fucking retard. I would love if I could just play Destiny 2 with its beautiful art and great gameplay, too bad you need to forfeit all your free time just to keep up.
>>730795321
>lmao i don't even play hytale, good job being a retard about it though
I'm talking about a minecraft server tourist-san
>you're doing a terrible job btw
doing a terrible job by saying the actual fucking game of skyblock is a pointless grind fest that wastes your life, and not lying about it being p2s is being a shill ig. You're a farm animal

>>730795414
>anon's tactic of defending Hypixel's gross p2w tactics is to call out how the whole server is grindslop
it's a bold strategy, I respect that.

>>730795414
>you literally cannot progress without spending 6 hours a day on it, fucking retard.
that's the incentive to make you pay, you're literally a retard and a zoomlet at that, i quit mc before hypixel became a thing and was already tired of regular donation servers

>>730795339
sovl

>>730795321
>for example, one of those modders that made a huge megamod for factorio got hired by factorio devs and worked on the expansion
Explains why the expansion was so shit then

>>730788650
it's called UGC and it's the latest grift

>>730795414
>I'm talking about a minecraft server
cool but what does that have to do with anything what i said? your monetization scheme is shit and you can suck my fucking dick you jew faggot shill
>tourist-san
been here longer than you bitch

>>730792763
the world in general has gotten significantly worse and things like the internet and videogames aren't novelties anymore

>>730795569
>UGC
YOOOO gabeslop said he couldent compete with his audience fr fr his dream came tru broooooooooooooooooo UGCslop lemme eat dat up fr

>>730795554
>where are all those mods gone huuuuh?!
>over there
>no that's not what i meant!
based retard

>>730795339
Yes? Nigger that's just one cherrypicked webm, meanwhile Minecraft's combat is literally always this. Oh but since the combat update you can't just spam attack and you have to wait a second between each swing, very fun!

>>730795321
>"some unicorn modder got hired by a dev because i wouldn't fund or even thank them, and that's a good thing"
>he's now paying $50 to a publisher and online storefront for factorio dlc instead, a tiny fraction of which will go to the 'unicorn mod' doing what he was already doing
pure pottery. i thank god i will never be so blessed for you to call me a unicorn modder

>>730795504
>the incentive is to save time! you will grind for 10,000 collective hours but save about 2000 for a total of about 100 dollars over 5 years, isn't that SO PREDATORY?
Yh I think the actual predatory part is using glowie psychosocial tactics to get losers to login 5-10 hours a day because they're totally fucked in the meta or can't enjoy end game for too long is much worse than just not being a broke retarded cunt and spending 20 dollars here and there
>>730795603
read the above post spastic, and keep letting fomo rape your mind. fucking goycattle retard

>>730795658
>Oh but since the combat update you can't just spam attack and you have to wait a second between each swing
Exactly the same as Hytale's combat, you utter retard.

>>730795637
I don't speak retard

>leagues above Minecraft's combat
https://streamable.com/pfwqtr

>>730792763
It's because the ladder into the games industry (and tech in general) has been pulled, back in the 90's and early 2000's you could land well paying jobs at decent companies by just showing off your work for free and to the right people, something that is usually called a "portfolio".
Nowadays you can't just make free shit and use it as an in to a company, you now need to have connections in said company, show traits that makes them think your exploitable and have every high score in life imaginable since most companies today only want to hire unicorns with massive amounts of leverage.

This means that if you want to make any money at all then you need to make it without relying on someone to hire you, which means that you now need to monetize everything that you used to do for free, hell, you need to monetize your entire life if your capable of doing so.

>>730795414
>The point of these predatory live service games is that you literally cannot progress without spending 6 hours a day on it, fucking retard.
Then DONT PLAY IT
No one is FORCING you to play on hypixel servers. Play something fucking GOOD. Go play spore or fucking emulate a mario game or play an RPG or something, there are non pay-to-win games out there you fucking idiot.

Wait, there are *actually* people who look to minecraft/mineclones for combat? I thought that disappeared when 1.9 dropped and all the 12 year old hunger games kiddies moved on to Fortnite. Even if hytale's combat is a thousand million percent better than minecraft's it's still a million trillion percent worse than every game in the Steam top 100.

You're an adult, you're allowed to play games that don't have blocks.

>>730795704
No it's not. You did not play the game. It depends on the weapon, some swing fast and others swing slow, and they all have some sort of charged attack you can do and a special move, whereas in Minecraft you just jump attack over and over again.

Why do you even lie about this? Why do you care? I'm not a shill, Hytale is still currently a glorified demo with 0 content. Why do you defend so adamantly an obviously wrong opinion?

>>730795639
only retard here is you good sir

Paid mods is the same energy as stream snipers.

>>730795662
>my headcanon
let me tell you how it really is
>factorio modder makes a megamod (SE)
>gets hired by wube to help with expansion
>you can go and buy the expansion and play it
>the modder then proceeds to continue working on their megamod, making it compatible with factorio 2.0
>you can download and play the updated mod, for free
>or you can go and download a dozen of other overhaul megamods, also updated to work with 2.0
the only "pure pottery" thing about all this is your extreme ineptitude, really
>>730795681
>keep letting fomo rape your mind
not playing the latest fomo game and giving money to p2w dev is "letting fomo rape my mind"? good to know. in other news, get your head checked out

>competitor to a Microsoft owned game releases
>indians come crawling out of the toilets to rage about it
really makes you think....

>>730795883
>some swing fast and others swing slow,
Same applies to Minecraft per the attackSpeed attributbe. The ONLY difference is the addition of charged/specil attacks (you can spam the daggers charged attack to easily wipe out most enemies btw due to the generous iframes); it's a pathetic combat system. Enemy AI is also shockingly bad, unironically even worse than Minecraft's.

>>730788650
So that is why they decided to not be on steam

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>>730795681
>play game that psychologically punishes you for not spending money
>pay up instead of alt-F4ing and rage at the people who play it without paying

Two retards having a retard fight, but at least one retard didn't piss away money on it.

>>730795820
I was referring to Destiny 2 and it was pretty obvious that specific part I was retard
>Then DONT PLAY IT
I don't, fucking retard
>Play something fucking GOOD. Go play spore or fucking emulate a mario game or play an RPG or something, there are non pay-to-win games out there you fucking idiot.
Your only option for non pvp live service games are grindslop or p2w or a mix of both, you fucking retarded cunt. I pointed out Destiny 2 because it is a legitimately great game and scratches every itch I have, yet I understand dedicating my free time to it is retarded. The difference between 2 and 6 hours a day is a lot, you retarded goy cattle faggot. I don't even know what point you're even making?
>THEN DONT PLAY GAMES YOU ACTUALLY ENJOY BECAUSE THEY INTRODUCE AND CUT CONTENT FASTER THAN YOU CAN EVEN GRIND FOR THE COOL STUFF
Fucking retarded cunt. Shoot yourself in the head
>>730795996
You're not above it all, you're a retard living on a forum forever.

>hyshill getting btfo'd in yet another thread
>posts some retarded passive-aggressive seethe randomly bitching about indians or jews without quoting anyone
really makes you think....

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>>730790105
>give modders recognition
You do that and you get Shartmoore, that originally did good work but then ended up forcing his fan fiction into his work. Modders are also adjacent to moderators in that they will develop gigantic egos. On top of that you're just one bad political episode away from someone nuking all their content.
>give modders monetary compensation
It can work if you just attach an option for people to donate. However, modders take it too far and start to put direct paywalls which has been plaguing the scene for over a decade and it keeps ramping up. Modding is a hobby, modding is for providing joy for yourself and others. Yes, everything in the world revolves around money and time, and it's harder than ever to make a decent living. But, when you start to paywall your shit or modding for the sake of getting paid, then you're not a modder. You're some amalgamation of a corporate dog and you're actively ruining the landscape further.
>only multidollar company should earn
They offer the platform for you to use their assets and modify them. It makes sense. As much as people hate big money and corporate cock suckers, the alternative is further ruining hobbyism with monetary incentive. That's how you get a slurry of mediocre trash being made both behind paywalls and offered for free.

The entire focus should be placed on cultivating PASSIONATE creators that just want to make shit. Money shouldn't even be in the conversation. If an author's goal has anything to do with money they should be taken out back and game ended in Hytale.

>>730796064
you bloody banchod fuck your mother saar please be doing the needful and buying mineycrafta