I’m supposed to believe nothing goes on here. Thats its 99.99% muck, marsh and poison swamp aside from the occasional mosquito trying to give you fantasy malaria. Sounds like lizard bullshit propaganda to me.
you're supposed to believe it because todd is lazy and couldnt be fucked to flesh out the lizard areawhich is fair, argonians are a subspecies, worse than any other race other than redguards
What kind of sex do argonians get into if there are so goddamn many of them?
>>730789445lizards don't have sex do they, they're like fish right
>>730789262map
>>730789262Same with Kajiits 0 games transform into 0 lore relevant events
The non-humanoid locations are literally just there for fun worldbuilding, there was never any intent for them to be real visitable locations. Frankly it's a miracle that TES allows you to actually play as Khajit or Argonian in the first place, most RPGs would just leave those oddball races as window dressing and shopkeepers.
>>730790275i tried to do a skyrim run as a cat man and I just couldn't take it seriously no matter how hard i tried to roleplay. similar results with salamander man. i guess i'm just too damn racist.
>>730789262dude they're having blood orgies in fucking space ziggurats down there, shit's whackmk did some of the lore for them for >eso
The Argonian Account is a genuinely funny book
Argonians in black marsh just sit around all day tripping on the halucinogenic sap of sentient trees. This somehow lets some of them gain eldritch powers beyond comprehension
>>730789262Wait a fucking second.
>>730790609Everyone in Tamriel is racist, don't worry about it
>>730789262Black Marsh is kino in Elder Kings 2. There are blind humanoids, some ancient Nedes, many Argonian subspecies, lilmothiits, and probably something else. Black Marsh has peaked in 2E. It only makes sense to have a prequel there. A 4E game would be Argonian Hist hivemind shithole.TES has a problem that it's becoming more and more generic as a setting. If there will be more games, Men will probably exterminate Mer and Beasts.
>>730790275Even the name of the place where the Khajiit are from is basically "Elsewhere".
>>730790275Bethesda wanted to make Eye of Argonia in late 90s, it's right there in Redguard intro.
>>730789542argonians lay eggs, sure. but they were created in the image of man and mer specifically to blend in and attract them >:) whose to say the cloaca can't be trained?
>>730791624It really sucks that so far ESO is the only game to have khajit and argonian sub-speciesThere are big crocodile looking motherfuckers that are barely sentient (sadly in game they are just re-skinned daedroths) and on the khajit side you have the senche-raht, basically a bear sized mountain lion, but fully sentient like any othe khajit (re-skinned bear in eso, utterly fumbled)
>>730789262If they're lizard people why do their cities have White people names, i thought this was a fantasy game
>>730792070Bethesda proper can't take these niche risks. TES 6 will be everyman's game like GTA 6. It won't matter if it's good or bad. It just has to make enough money. They can't afford any risks. Fans haven't been the target audience for TES in the last 30 years, they just want to expand their fanbase while sacrificing the old fans. Thr IP has been washed out and could only thrive without Microsoft and Bethesda, same as Fallout. TES's final nail in the coffin will be the TV adaptation.
>>730792165lilmoth is a city built atop an abandoned lilmothiit settlement (despite being a nomadic people(?)) after all the races of black marsh without disease res. got wiped out by a plague. dunno about the others, maybe imperial mapmakers took liberties translating the names?
>>730792165Because all their cities were built by outsiders.They were zombies standing upright in the water before humans and elves came.
>>730791384Erm, nigger?
>>730792489Lovecraftian elements are the laziest cliche in modern fantasy yet nobody dares to make a proper Lovecraft game adaptations.
>>730789262Wait for Beyond Skyrim to release in 2037.
>>730792593Kinda hard when lovecraftian storytelling is all about tell don't show. Very hard to do right in a exploration medium like video games where you pause to look at every little thing.
>>730789262It was super interesting in the second age (Nedes, Fox people, Ayleid holdouts). But yeah, it's probably quite boring in the 4th.
>>730792659Tamriel Rebuilt will be finished by 2030, then they'll do Black Marsh.
>>730791384Fuck
>>730792749It's a mudhole it's supposed to be uninteresting.What does every grain of sand in the sahara need to sit on top of a lost golden city?Swamps are boring, they are hard to live in, build in and they're generally just water and muck. There is no reason to have anything grand in it.
>>730792779>Tamriel Rebuilt will be finished by 2030I remember when that didn't sound so reasonable
>>730792867I remember people saying shit like that 20 years ago because they were ragebaiting, same as saying Dwarf Fortress will have Crysis-like graphics by 2030.
Yes
>>730789262nord men rape this place
>>730789262A lot of shite happens there it's just that none of that is interesting because who tf gives a shit about fantasy lizards? People only care about fantasy humans that closely resemble their own culture and elves/dwarves/goblins, that's all.
>>730792867A bit too optimistic imo, they'll maybe finish the Hlaalu stuff either this year or the next then they'll spend like 3 years minimum working on the redoran and probably reworking the telvanni lands and only then will they start doing Dres stuff which will probably also take from 3 years to half a decadeSo i reckon it will be finished in like 2035, and who knows maybe by then the Project Tamriel Argonia project would have gotten enough people working on it to actually release something
>>730789262We will never know. They will never have TES game in a non-human province anymore.
>>730789262It's the subsaharan africa of the TES universe of course there's jack shit nothing there worth actually doing
>Hammerfell is mostly empty desert like the Sahara, all cities are located on the coast>Black Marsh is mostly swampland all cities and settlements to non-Argonians at least is one the edges of the country or the coast>Elsewyr is mostly desert most cities located on the outer areas >Morrowind is mostly a horrid wasteland most cities are located nowhere in the middleIs there a pattern here? Laziness or someone basically trying to say most of Tamriel is a hellhole.
>>730797506The entire southern half of Elsweyr is fertile forest land and the only wasteland part of Morrowind are the ashlands, of which there don't appear to be many outside of Vvardenfell
>>730797506The majority of canadians live on the US border. The majority of australians live in a handful of cities on the coast and the rest is an empty desert.
Who the fuck cares where farm equipment comes from?
>>730797732Even like half of the USA is a combination of wild mountain ranges, deserts and plains with terrible weather
>>730797506The geographic world design in TES is just garbage. There's no point paying any significant attention to it. None of the mountains even have drainage basins, which is about the most basic world design you could come up with.
>>730798010Well yeah it's a wholly fantastical setting in which the sun and the stars are holes in the sky, the world is less than ten thousand years old, the landscape was determined by ancient spirits killing each other and sacrificing themselves to become the laws of nature, and the other continents are actually just imprints of the past and the future, the laws of geology, evolution and all that other shit quite simply don't exist in and don't apply to Nirn
>>730798010It's just another boring island world setting. I wont even call it a continent because they were dodging that questions so fucking hard during the early years.
>>730797732Canada doesn't have thousands of years of settleming and entire economic supply line works within it's entire border.
>>730798010The continent of Tamriel actually kind of sucks when you think the sprawling stable empire that rules it doesn't even have a big inland sea connecting its major settlements (The Niben bay is a joke and eastern cyrodill is fucking empty), no logical trade routes, it's built awfully because every civilization is separate at the corners of what's essentially a big rectangle.Probably has to do with trying to expand lore in the shoddy ass bones that were Arena's basic worldbuilding but they should have really considered reshaping the world map before Morrowind. Oh well current day Bethesda couldn't give less of a fuck about worldbuilding anyway.
>>730798150None of that justifies the lack of streams, rivers and drainage basins.The world has rain in it, so the water has to go somewhere. It falls down on the ground and flows down further, until it reaches the sea.Only it never does any of it in the games. A single heavy rainfall is enough to carve a track down a slope.
>>730792686TES books feel kind of lovecraftian because you know they're there explainan all kinds of shit you don't care about even if you don't read them
>>730798010>None of the mountains even have drainage basinstbf that pretty comment in fantasy world building i can only think of one or two settings that attempt that, and one of those is the empire from Warhammer Fantasy and that only exists due to boat autism of one of the early writers
>>730798010what happens in atmora
>>730791384>married to a gay manWhy are you gay?
>>730798493The Pocket Guide to the Empire does explicitly state that there are river systems connecting Nibenese civilization to all the surrounding provinces, which would be the the origin of Imperial mercantilism. It's just not depicted in Oblivion since Bethesda was likely designing the in-game province after what was explicitly visible on the maps, none of which included these rivers, and of course because the Imperial cultures and Cyrodiil described in the PGE were just not in TES IV at all, so it wasn't even noticeable for anyone not familiar with old lore.
Black Marsh is the sub-saharan Africa of Tamriel.
>>730798010>yokuda
Don't fuck with the Hist.
>>730789262It's supposed to be an area so deadly that it's largely unmapped, with the natives keeping whatever is in there secret.
>>730798848Nothing. It's frozen in every meaning and possible combination of the word.
>>730799684what happens in pyandonea
I'm sad we didn't get the Redguard sequel, it was plenty weird enough in just Stros Makai so imagine the fucking Black Marsh.
>>730789262isnt it in ESO?
>>730798010This all goes back to Oblivion's retarded jungle retcon
>>730800147pirate elves larping as atlanteans
>>730798848There's a reason the nedes went fucking ape on the chimer and its because atmora fucking sucks and they wanted to live somewhere warmer than -50
>>730798010>i had too see this map for it to finally click that high rock and hammerfell are supposed to be europe+ middle east and cyrodill is in the middle of chinai guess that explains the jungles
>>730800586Also sucks that ESO is the only game to explore the maomerSo much top tier lore was butchered in that game
>>730798848Stays in Atmora
>>730800586>Entire continent just to one race.Kinda boring
The lizards don't want the world to know the fox folk are still alive.
>>730792453Lilmothiit were split between nomadic/tribal groups and city dwellers according to the little lore snips that exist for them.
>>730798010Wtf I didn't even know Akavir Pyandonea and Aldmeris even existed, I thought Tamriel was just one continent by itself.
>>730799474Lizard propaganda.
>>730800979anything potentially new or interesting that lay untapped in the lore will always be reduced to a cheaply made and accessible reskin in ESO. naga? blue argonians with fishy fins. maomer? high elf but silver instead of gold. and the locations...
sup forum, long time listener, first time caller here. i just started morrowind some weeks ago and now i arrived at the hortator questline. is it supposed to suck ass? i feel like they ran out of steam here designing some quests around the houses so you dont just charme and bribe yourself into their hearts, which is utterly boring. it's a giant fetchquest anyway, so i wouldnt mind going the extra mile to do some chores to win their hearts first here and there. otherwise i'm enjoying the game, but it is a little overrated in the community and doesnt differ too much from oblivion and skyirm generally. i do love the lore and worldbuilding a lot more though. i guess in the end the story, atmosphere and characters really can sell an RPG moreso than the freedom of choice.
>>730789262they wrote an entire book about it you fucking lorelet furfag
>>730806624the freedom of choice is larger in morrowind thoughbeittry killing anyone important in skyrim before the game allows you to
