David Hayter won.
He's already a demon.
>already freenothingburger as usual
Why would an actor need to share a ride? Is he poor?
>>730789757>be a multimillionaire>assault someone>paying 50k is enough for a bondHow does 0.1% of your wealth even count as a bond? What purpose does this achieve?
>>730789757Let me guess: he was drunk.
>>730789757WORDS CAN KILL
Hasn't this guy been arrested dozens of times already now?
>>730789925This has always been the case. A Speeding Ticket for me or you might be an issue, but for someone worth millions, it means absolutely nothing.If we're going to use fines as a way of punishment, they need to be percent based. Otherwise they're pointless and can potentially ruin the lives of the poor.
>>730789757he's nuclear, he's wild
>>730789930He does famously enjoy a tipple.
>>730789757Finally had enough of all the skullface rambling.
I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea"
>>730790006Poor people cause the vast majority of real crime. I'm not worried about a 1 in a million chance that a rich person plows into me in their lambo. I'm far more worried about the welfare case hitting me in their barely running shitbox because they were too busy day drinking to get a job.
>>730789925Socio-economic situation of the supect should have no impact on how they're treated by law. Severity of the offense and likelihood comitting further crime should be the only deciding factors for setting the bond.
>>730790006Fuck off with that commie crap.The penalty for everyone is the same and it should be the same because justice is administered to everyone equally. Same as it should be but isn't for taxes.By the way, consistently speeding isn't just a fine. They can take your license away from and put you in jail. So no, the idea the rich can do it over and over and over again and get away with it because they're rich enough to pay the fine which is all that will ever happen to them is crap.
>>730790143Do you even know what the point of a bond is? It's supposed to "bond" the offender to the case so that they don't run away or miss the court appointments.The socio-economic situation is literally the only relevant factor. Set the bond too high and it might be unpayable to the offender. Set it too low and you failed at the original purpose of forcing them to take the case seriously.A 50k bond would be unpayable for most American so they are clearly taking his socioeconomic situation in account. It just wasn't enough.
>>730790006Wouldn't that give the poor less reasons to avoid committing crime?
>>730790237i gotta ask anon, what's your favorite flavor of boot?leather, faux leather, rubber?
>>730790237Bonds are not penalties. Your entire post falls flat just from this.You're just too stupid to even be having this conversation. Probably an underager.
>>730789757I feel like Keifer would have been a perfect replacement VA for Sam Fisher. It's a shame he got stuck into MGSV.
>>730790138>Poor people cause the vast majority of real crimeYeah, it was the local fent addy nodding off who gave the executive order of invading Venezuela
>>730790309I responded the person talking about penalties and not the person talking about bonds for a reason, you fucking moron.
>>730790356No, you also posted >>730790143, and >>730790274 blew you out of the water. Shut the fuck up and go learn more about how the world works maggot
>>730790138>>730790237fucking retards
>>730790380>you also posted >>730790143, and >>730790274No, I didn't.
>>730789757He shurvive?
>>730790006If you get enough speeding tickets you lose your license. You just want to punish "the rich" because you are a filthy marxist.
>>730789930>Let me guess: he was drunk.Probably.He's gotten like 4 DUIs with the last leading to 48 days in jail. So him calling a ride-share while wasted IS him actually doing the responsible thing instead of driving himself. Even if it did still lead him to going full retard and getting arrested.>I'M NUCLEAR
>>730789757https://.youtube.com/watch?v=H7lUCghDJ7w
>>730790402So you believe rich people should receive harsher penalties than poor people just because they're rich?If the penalty is prison instead of a fine do you think rich people should automatically get longer sentences just because they're rich?If you think the answer to that is "Yes" you're objectively a commie.
>>730790346The oil is American property now. Cry more.
>>730789757Kiefer Sutherland has always been an asshole and 24 sucked ass.
>>730790346>b-but Trump!
>>730790495A percentage based fine IS the same penalty.
>>730789757So what was it? Assault or threats?
>>730789873>>730789925Yes Keifer still has to show up to court it's not like he got off scott free with a fine.Also seems to be conflicting info on whether he assaulted the driver or some other fellow passenger:>In the early hours of 13 January 2026, Sutherland was arrested in Hollywood after allegedly physically assaulting a fellow rideshare vehicle passenger while making felony criminal threats.Also the report of assault came in at 12:15 AM so that tends to be drunk people hours unless he was on something like a late flight.
>>730790635You don't understand what a penalty is for. It's relative to the offense committed, not the impact it has on the perpetrator.
>>730790237>The penalty for everyone is the same and it should be the same because justice is administered to everyone equally.yes the percentage would be the same for everyone
>>730790237It dependsIf repeated offences will quickly escalate the punishment, it's not so badBut if someone can offend with impunity because the fine is a drop in the bucket for them, they essentially just don't have to follow that ruleIMO it's more of a problem with corporations doing hostile dystopian shit and having to pay fines that are less than what they make for doing hostile dystopian shitI don't care as much when it comes to individuals, but the idea is that having money shouldn't make you immune to the consequences of the law.
>>730790237Aren't you a bit too young to believe in the red scare ?
>>730790797See>>730790737The penalty is supposed to represent an objective level of harm from the offense. You can't be adjusting that down for poor people because they can't afford it. If they couldn't have afforded it they shouldn't have committed the crime.lolI had to say that exact last part to someone in the real life the other day. "If you can't afford to pay the fine then you shouldn't have risked the fine in the first place by breaking the law." He was not a happy chappy but tough shit, that's how the fucking law works and it's specifically by design.
>>730790892>red scareHe's wrong about this particular thing but he's right to have no tolerance for commies, commie
>>730789757good, ride-share drivers are subhuman
>>730790910The percentage would make it difficult for EVERYONE to pay the fine thoughever
>>730790910>If you can't afford to pay the fine then you shouldn't have risked the fine in the first place by breaking the lawSo someone who can pay the fine should be less apprehensive about breaking the law?
>>730790006Yeah that's the point though, american's economy benefits a lot from prison slave labor so they need a constant influx of peasants
>>730790892>Stalin worshiping KGB nigger in charge of Russia >Red China more aggressive than ever The Red Scare is more alive than ever.
>>730790992Difficult in paying is not a factor. Other things can be a factor in determining penalty, e.g. being a repeat offender, but your socio-economic situation is just not relevant and it shouldn't be. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
>>730790947Hi anon, it's me, Elon MuskThank you for defending us, the little guys, your patriotic hatred of communism has been noted, and your chances of becoming rich have now gone from 0.00178 to 0.00200. All courtesy of yours truly.No need to thank me, and keep fighting the good fight for us.
if the punishment for a crime is a fine, then that crime only exists for the lower class
>>730789757Mumble Parasite mumble demon
>>730791074>Difficult in paying is not a factor. Other things can be a factor in determining penalty, e.g. being a repeat offender, but your socio-economic situation is just not relevant and it shouldn't be. Fines exist to deter crimes that aren't serious enough for prisonFines do not deter rich people and thus do not function as intended
>>730791012You'll find the law takes a stronger and stronger hand against repeat offenders.Unless you live a dem stronghold and the offender is poor. In which case they are just set free over and over and over again. That's how you like it, right? Commie fuck.
>>730791074Kiefer couldn't do the crime either, that's why he paid the fine.You shouldn't be able to pay your way out of crime, I believe that criminals should be publicly executed!
>>730790910That implies that if you can afford the fine you are welcome to commit the crime.
>>730791154>You shouldn't be able to pay your way out of crimeAnon you're talking to people who made a criminal pedophile their president.
>>730789925Bonds are dependent on the judge. You should see the wild stupid bond issued for more grievous crimes.
>>730790237> Same as it should be but isn't for taxes.But higher taxes on higher earnings is a factually good thing for society and was responsible for the most prosperous period in modern society (the 60s and 70s). Our economies are fucked because the rich reee’d over having to pay and extra 1-2 thousand out of their millions. They would rather society degenerate to complete debauchery instead of let their hoarded wealth be used for schools and hospitals. Crime punishment is the same thing. If millionaires’ punishment was as devastating to their life as a speeding ticket is to someone in poverty, there would be a lot less fraud, scams, and tax evasion in the world.
>>730791104>if you don't want ideologue bureaucrats to decide what you may own, how you must work and whether you may eat today, it's because you worship the rich and harbor delusions of joining themEven in the absence of everything else, a commie's relentless disingenuousness would be reason enough to hate him
>>730791197I don't believe in income tax at all.We are taxed far, far, far too much. And most of that money collected is completely wasted.
>>730791221> don’t worry about the evil in front of your eyes, worry about scary hypotheticals instead
>>730791141You're not incorrect about either point, but I think you're dodging my question.If you are saying "Don't do the crime IF you can't afford the fine", isn't that literally saying that being able to afford it means you should be less hesitant to do the crime?
>>730791221>what you may ownanon, you have to pay premiums on goods from other countries right now simply because a rich man doesn't want you owning them over the things his factory-owning buddies make>how you must workhuh>and whether you may eat todayah yes, they get all of the surplus value you produce, you get to buy groceries this weektrue freedom
>>730791281Oh great, libertarians> if we don’t get taxed and don’t have any governing or regulations, everyone will suddenly be fair and decent to each other and won’t resort to fiefdoms and warfareRead a book lil bro
lol burgers enjoy being cucked by rich people
>>730790237>The penalty for everyone is the same and it should be the same because justice is administered to everyone equallyCool. So how many of those bankers who fucked our country over are in jail? Zero. How many of them paid back the taxpayer money they stole from us? Zero. So shut the fuck up you bootlicking wankstain.
Diamond Boozehounds
>>730791141FYI when I said you're not wrong about either point, I meant the escalating penalty and how shit democrat cities are. I'm not a commie and I hate them too. But I still don't like rich people being able to commit crime with impunity. We're all supposed to be equal as far as the law and punishment is concerned.
>>730791398I swear I'll be rich one day bro then I'll get all these sweet benefits
>>730791398 It's actually insane how people will justify anything so long as "the market" did it. Like bro, getting fined $100 for jaywalking ruins someone's whole month, but that same $100 is pocket change to Bezos. There's no equality under the law if punishment scales with poverty.
>>730791398you don't get it anon, i have a 0.0010% chance of becoming upper middle class-richand i will lick all the boots i can for that chance
>>730791324You are an evil in front of my eyes. What makes you think I ignore the others.>>730791338I can be unhappy about those things and also realize the communism is incredibly shit and evil. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
>>730791338The point of the phrase is just that the consequences of the actions you took being debilitating is not a reason to be absolved of those consequences.To me, whining about how fines aren't fair to poor people is no different to women whining about how it's not fair to send them to jail because they have a kid at home. We specifically ignore that sort of shit when determining penalties otherwise the equal application of justice becomes non-existent. You start getting the bullshit like "Well, white men are evil so they should have the harshest penalties while black people are victims of oppression so they should have the most lenient penalties", etc., etc. That shit is an affront to justice.
>>730791460>Like bro, getting fined $100 for jaywalking ruins someone's whole month, but that same $100 is pocket change to Bezos.Realistically, how many Bezos's are there, and how many of them are jaywalking? Do you think Bezos should pay 100 million dollars for jaywalking?
>>730790237>because justice is administered to everyone equallyWhat is foid and black privilege. Also democrat judges.
>retards arguing because they dont know what a "bond" isYou niggers are so fucking ignorant, it never fails to entertain
>>730791382I never called for the abolition of taxes. I just don't believe in taxing someone for earning money and then taxing them for spending money. It's double-dipping. One or the other. I think the latter should be the one.
>>730791221>ideologue bureaucrats to decide what you may own, how you must work and whether you may eat todayThis happens under capitalism every single day. Enjoy owning nothing instead.
David Hayter has a childlike voice and needs to pretend to be a man. Kiefer Sutherland is a man.
>>730791521second part meant for >>730791370
>>730790237>Fuck off with that commie crap.The only commie take is the one where you say Keifer is somehow the same as other people and should adhere to the same rules.That's tough. If you're a lifted, famous person, everyone knows you and everyone will go the extra mile to report any misbehavior to the police. Anyone else they might get off with a warning, but if it's a high time actor especially commies love seeing them taken out of the spotlight, because the entire idea of individualistic worship creeps them out.For the rest of us it's the claustrophobia of collectivism. A disgusting human trait but it represents the vast, ignorant, dog-faced majority, and also several /v/ lurkers. You hear me? You're fucking DOG-FACES.
>>730790237>Equality but only in the cases where it benefits those who already have it way easierLolberts are the worst
>>730791605>Realistically, how many Bezos's are therea couple>and how many of them are jaywalking?not many, but some are raping kids and being made president in spite of it
>>730791659>the answer to being oppressed by a psychotic elite class is to replace them with an even more psychotic elite class and give them even more power over youCommies are unfathomably retarded
>>730791521> You are an evil in front of my eyes. What makes you think I ignore the othersYou’re actively defending the behaviour of billionaires in this thread. Meanwhile, you’re getting mad at me, some random anon, for pointing this out, I wonder what boogeyman you’ve crafted in your head about me
>>730791590>not a reason to be absolved of those consequences.You are de-facto absolved of consequences if the consequences are proportionally trivial.
>>730790274No, sorry but this is just stupid. Either people are equal in the eyes of the law or the law loses all of its purpose.>r-rich people don't suffer the same consequences for committing crimes as poor people do!Okay? They are also responsible for like 0.01% of all crimes ever. Poor people on the other hand do need deterrents like unpayable bonds or higher sentences.Rich people are also much more productive and bring much more value to the societies they live in.
>>730791521Okay because communism is evil we should tolerate a few civil rights lost with a little of extrajudicial action to help combat it, lest we fall victims to communism
>>730791521>I can be unhappy about those thingsthen why do you treat everybody who is in this thread like a "commie" for being unhappy about these things too.You do know there are more options out there than unbridled neoliberalism and authoritarian communism, right?
>>730791753>even more psychotic elite classOnes who at least give you a house you can own instead of mortgage slavery at best or rentcucking at worst? Yeah, kill yourself, jeet.
>>730791851trying too hard
>>730791851> Either people are equal in the eyes of the law or the law loses all of its purpose.> They are also responsible for like 0.01% of all crimes ever.You realise you’re saying this as the elites start wars to cover up their international pedo ring, right?
>>730791836Doesn't matter. Because the penalty is determined by the severity of the offense, not the impact of the consequence of the penalty. Whether the impact on the perpetrator is grand or minor is just not relevant. Legislation determines the penalty. That's why, for example, people don't get a get out of jail free card just because they have dependents at home. Kids losing their only parent is probably going to have a major impact on many people who are arguably innocent here but you still go to jail for murder regardless.
>>730791141>Have to wait for repeat offense for a meaningful punishment because the fine is easily payable
>>730791637They don't care what a bond is, they want to complain about other people having more money than they have. They want to argue about rich people, not about how the justice system actually functions
>>730791918At least I'm not trying to apply relativity to jurisprudence lol>>730791929And who is going to hold them accountable? They're the law, you douche. I'm not talking about the presidents of the US or billionaires, I'm talking about people like Sutherland or Diddy.
>>730791590I can see why you think means shouldn't be considered and how that can lead to special treatment that gets in the way of justice.But a system that lets you ignore penalties entirely because you're rich makes laws meaningless. It functionally lets you break the rules as much as you like if costs you, say, as much as you make in a minute.That is why penalties escalate with repeat offenses, sure, but it doesn't always work that way, and like I've said previously there are times when a corporation can make a net profit by breaking the law and paying a fine if they get caught. The fine becomes a business expense.This is in addition to the legal system being incredibly costly and complicated, meaning its often the people who can hire the best lawyers who win.I can see your points against percentage fines, but it's not a commie thing to be in favor of them. It's wanting the law to apply to everyone.FYI I don't even like progressive taxes. I don't hate the rich and I'm not a commie.
>>730790404How did you manage to include the comma in your reply but not read it, you absolute animal
>>730791851>Either people are equal in the eyes of the law or the law loses all of its purpose.which brings us back to our original pointwe're not equal in the eyes of the law as long as rich folk can just pay their way out of its punishments without any detriment to their net worthin fact we are so unequal in the eyes of the law that if you did what trump did you'd get four years in jail and hefty fines, he's a millionaire so instead he got elected again and was able to erase records of his pedophilic actionsyou try doing that with your 17 usd/hr job, anon
>>730789757Based 24 hour man
>>730791605Nobody should have to pay a fine for jaywalking.But maybe an upper limit on fines, and after that it starts becoming more like 5 hours of community service
>>730791916>ownkek>jeeteven more kek
>>730789757>Grabs driver from behind as they're stuck in traffic, holding a cheap cafe plastic spoon to his neck>"SPEAK.">"Uuuhh, I thought the Lost Boys was pretty good."
>>730791605>Do you think Bezos should pay 100 million dollars for jaywalking?Yes
>>730792091You've raised other points I don't entirely disagree with. I am especially not a fan of corporate personhood. People should be responsible for the decisions they make and having an intangible legal construct buffering you and absorbing the consequences of your decisions is shit.But I am absolutely firmly of the opinion the penalties should be applied equally across the board. I think that is actually critically important to the justice system.
The only reason he got the role in MGSV to begin with is because he's basically blacklisted from most of Hollywood due to his drinking and his friend Avi Arad threw him a bone.
>>730792393I can definitely see where you're coming from, it's a principled and well reasoned position. (I'm also glad we agree that corporations are bullshit)
I hate anglophone analytards so much
The awful thing about communism is it inevitably kills millions of peopleThe great thing about communism is that it inevitably kills millions of communists
>>730792942The only reason he got any role ever is because he's Donald Sutherland's son. He should be deported
Every time the word 'communism' is dropped on this board you're reminded that /v/ is a low IQ board. You guys are like apes flinging shit at each other.
>>730790237>The penalty for everyone is the same Alex Baldwin shot someone to death and didn't even get a stern talking to. If that had been some random extra on set that day, they would have been jailed never to see the light of day again.
>>730793221>flinging shitJust one of the perks of controlling the means of production
Kept ya waiting huh
>>730793509the guy who shot brandon lee got the same treatment
He really is a demon
The awful thing about capitalism is it inevitably kills billions of peopleThe great thing about capitalism is that it inevitably creates billions of communists
>>730789925Fairness. Why should a rich man need to pay more than a poor man just because he's worked harder?
>>730790006They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>730793685Because the penalty exists as a deterrent? You're putting the cart in front of the horse.
>>730790143>on how theyre treatedSo you agree then that it should be a proportional amount of their wealth? Some broke bum getting charged 50k for bond is more than he'll ever make in his life, while its a penny to Keifer. Unless youre really FOR them being treated differently
>>730790006The most insane thing for me is how big US companies like Boeing can afford to kill hundreds out of sheer incompetence and/or negligence and never have to worry about anything because they can just pay 0.001% of their revenue to have all charges dropped
Americans deserve to get shot, beaten, enslaved, and rapedWhite Americans deserve it twice over
>>730793770The primary purpose of a penalty is to impose a punishment proportional to the offense, not proportional to the status of the offender. Everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.
>>730794618>Everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.Not really, Epstein and Pakistanis were basically in a tag-team match against thousands of little white child pussies and nobody got punished for it
>>730794687Epstein was murdered. He got some punishment eventually.
>>730793669>capitalism kills billionsaverage commie level of factual awareness
>>730791521Communism is when you put all the wealth and power concentrated into a single group of elite retards who bend the law to ther willWhat you are advocating for is exactly what Communism allows you dumb knuckle dragging chalky bitch
>>730790432Based Kiefer. Nothing can keep this guy down.
>>730794618The punishment isn't proportional to the offense if it's not a punishment at all
He was good in Dark City.
>>730794880>advocating forShow me where I did this.
>>730790346Fuck off nigger, nabbing Maduro is probably the one good thing Trump ever didYou faggots dont even try to argue for the bastards innocence anymore too you just squeal "its illegal" lmao bunch of bootlicking pretentious vermin
>>730794618All monetary penalties should be calculated based on a percentage, then.
>>730791053China is not even communist theyre fascistsOr do you believe North Korea is a democracy because they say so?
>>730794903That is exactly being proportional to the offense.In theory, no one gets special treatment. Not rich. Not poor. Not male. Not female. Not white. Not black. Everyone is treated the same. That consequences have different impacts on different people doesn't matter.The fact that the fifth columnists have been so successful in undermining that very important principle of our legal system has been devastating to the western world. It is specifically why see shit like black crime ignored, middle eastern rape gangs ignored, somali fraud ignored, etc., etc.
>>730795059No, they shouldn't. It's a very important principle of our legal system to not do that.
>>730795000Trvke an trips
>>730794959The part where you argued that proportional fines are commie shit because youre a single digit IQ nigger?
>>730795000I wanna see him bomb Iran again that'd be sweet
>>730795112not having a deterring penalty is special treatmentI think we agree justice should be blind, just not about what that looks like
All fines should be percentage basedAlso when I get drunk and punch random people they should only be allowed to hit back with a fraction of their strength because I'm not really tough enough to handle a full force swing
>>730795220Different anon. I'm the one who hates commies and thinks proportional fines are good.
>>730790237but the penalty for everyone is not the same.
>>730795340This but I rape them hard and deep
>>730795340>getting hit after punching peopleNot part of the judicial institution
>>730789890Why do you feel the need to post kpop girls? Are you retarded? Dont answer that, its a rhetorical question
>>730795282Well, let's just make all penalties be life in prison then. That's sure to deter everyone.You people are approaching this from an assumption of rich people always commit crimes and then get away with it because monetary penalties are less impactful on them than they are on the poor. That's not something we actually see in practice though.
>>730795454It's an image board, it's made to post images. I'm posting images I like.You are most certainly retarded so I have nothing to ask.
>>730795508I don't think rich people commit more crime, I just think deterrence is an important part of penalties and I don't like some people having to follow rules that other people don't
>>730795508>>730795647I misread you a bitI don't think rich people always get away with crimesBut there are some rules rich people just don't have to follow
>>730790237I really wish that was true anon. But judges and DAs are so unbelievable biased now. Average Joe's like you and me will get tossed in jail.But the criminal underclass and the perpetually wealthy never face any real consequences. There are essentially 3 separate justice systems in the US.
>>730795690>But there are some rules rich people just don't have to followSuch as?
Why are you people acting like it's some outrage that he's out on bail? If anything it's ridiculous he got charged with a crime at all. Who hasn't made some drunk death threats, and he gets arrested for that?>land of the free
>>730789890I drive a black car at the airport and you'd be surprised how often you get "big shots" in your car. If I wasn't an immigrant poorfag with no connections, using something like uber or the sort is probably the first thing I'd avoid.Mostly the reason people do it its because they can expense it instead of hiring a private driver everywhere they go out of pocket
How hard is it to just consider your station in life and your ability to weather any potential fines before choosing to break the law?
>>730795724>Such as?... any punishment that only attracts a fine.
>>730795893How come the rich can do whatever they want as long as they pay what's basically chump change?Fuck may as well just legally allow them to murder people who they don't like as long as they pay the fine.
>>730795958Those are exactly as applicable to the rich
>>730795098>Not real communism! Not a single political system has ever "really" been done. Blank room theories simply cannot account for all the chaos and flaws inherent to humans, and communism is no different. Even Crusaders and Jihadist and Buddhist warrior monks did stuff that was contrary to their teachings. But the indisputable fact of the matter is that all those groups use those banners and ideals to gain followers and power. Even Hitler was happy to hand out "honorary Aryan" status to the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, and Amerindians in an effort to gain followers against the USSR and destabilize the British Empire and America. When China wants to gain influence in Africa and South America, and even in the West, they don't show the realities of mass surveillance and censorship, the wealth and corruption of the politburo, or the imperialistic nature of their countries, they preach about "anti-imperialism", and the exploitation of the global south, and a "multi-polar world". I know this because I see retards actually falling for their retarded propaganda.
Would everyone in this thread be okay with all fines being replaced with community service?
