>dude you need to play difficult retro games that punish the playerI don't understand people like this. No one wants to come back home to get punished in their free time. Those games died out for a reason, especially when you have shit like jrpgs, MMOs and gachas which basically play the game for you, and makes gaming comfier than ever
>dude you need to play difficult retro games that punish the playerThat isn't even what he says, but I look like THIS and I say THAT anyway.
>makes /v/ incessantly seetheHoly based. Arcade gamer GOD.
you are a faggot, and not for anything you posted. you are a faggot for the fact you posted
>>730790420>JRPG'sNo gameplay>MMO'sNo gameplay>gachaNo fucking gameplayIf you hate gaming, why post here?
>>730790420zoomers will say this then play roguelite slop
Most retro games have a fair difficulty curve, it's just arcade slop that is unfair by design to make money.
>>730790420His ng4 review was a farce
>>730791124Which he says is the better more often that not.>>730790420Honestly i like the guy if you watch him knowing he's on the spectrum it's kind of nice seeing someone so passionate about actual gameplay.
>>730790420Performative gamers who know they can't compete online but still want to pretend they're HARDCORE. DMC is their favorite game because it's like a fighting game but you never get strong opponents
>>730791220>Which he says is the better more often that not.It's better for the arcade operators, but there's a reason no games today are designed with such blatant scamming.
>>730790420>makes gaming comfier than ever*more boring than ever, yeah.Some games are way too fucking hard for sure, but I sure as hell prefer that over your alternative. I'd rather go outside than playing gacha shit. The actually good jrpgs require thinking, too, those who don't, and just need you to press X at the right time or never get difficult enough in general just become very long movies/anime series.>No one wants to come back home to get punished in their free time.this isn't even true considering how popular the sweaty shooters and BR and fucking fortnite or fighting games (arcade genre btw) are, anything multiplayer that puts you again other players in general are going to be difficult by nature. And gee WHAT A COINCIDENCE THESE GAMES ARE FUN AND POPULAR I wonder why! it's almost as if he's right (sometimes)
>>730791220Source on his autism?
>>730791284>no games today are designed with such blatant scamming.Laughs in digital card games powercreepLaughs in mobile game powercreepetc
>>730791314Notice how the examples are blatant scams.
>>730791284I can't remember what it was specifically about but he said it being more intentionally designed compared to a console version of the same game but the guy does defend easy games just thinks the industry is too set on making easy slop that's as appealing as possible to the masses even if that means watering down the intended identity of a game
>>730790420>>730790420>I need my hand held in games like I’m some kid even though I’m a grown adult. This is arcade gaming’s and Mork’s fault!1!1!Meanwhile, Mork’s willingness to play “muh quarter muncher” games has propelled him to fame among gamers, while you rot on these forums.What does that say about your perspective on reality versus his? Do you think that if he was as bitchy as you, and refused to cross boundaries into the functional wilderness of kaizo-tier “quarter muncher” arcade gaming, he would be as famous as he is now? The reality is that arcade gaming is a Faustian trait, and the myth-makers and men transcending history are playing arcade games. Mork has transformed himself into a monument beyond time and space. By the time you’ve finished grinding for a Gacha anime skin for your dying MMO, Mork has already internalized the chaos of gaming, rendering your logic obsolete. While you are pacified by daily login rewards and the participation trophies of a "balanced" meta, he is feasting on the jagged glass of arcade cruelty. He is the living proof that history doesn't belong to bitches who demand the earth bend to their whim, but to fanatics who dominate the fundamentally broken one.You are playing a game designed to keep you comfortable and compliant; he is playing a game designed to kill him. He is the Ubermensch, someone who you will never understand: a master of the unmasterable.While (You) stand at the shore praying for the tides to retreat and the waters to soften, he is out amidst the gale, pinning a lawless sea to his will.Submit to your master
>>730790420>I don't understand people like this.Do you think it's fun to play checkers against a child just because you're going to win every game? Because that's the logic behind modern video games: developers want to make you feel good by letting you win in situations where you don't need any skills, training, or anything else. They literally treat you like a mental retard.Mark is a bit of a poser, though. I don't see him proving his abilities as a player, and his criticisms are pretentious and full of rationalizations.
>>730790420he enjoys CBT
>>730790420He would have been cool if he didn't overcorrect to the point of pretending every game needs to follow arcade design.
>>730790420Did he ever unlock warrior on ng2?
>>730790420
>>730792684It's because he's consolebrained.
>>730791124Many old games were difficult just to stretch out the playtime because there was only about 30 mins worth of content otherwise
>>730790420Console-original games were fair, Arcades and console ports were unfair bullshit designed to stretch an hour long game into ten and eat your pennies or so that you wouldn't be able to beat them during the rent period.
I have actually enjoyed playing some shmups in recent memory, mostly just NES/SNES/Sega arcade ports but they were very fun and the idea of playing well enough to get extends so you can reasonably get a 1cc without being absolutely perfect is cool. However I found that the actual arcade games I tried so far are not so generous in this. I wish Metal Slug had extends.
>>730792684The games he plays doI could understand your complain if he talked about pillars of eternity but he doesn't
>>730792804But even excluding computer games entirely, just because you think Arcade design still has a place nowadays (and I do think that myself), it doesn't mean that is the only thing games should be, let alone the only valid lens to judge the entire hobby under.Besides, many people who play and pursue 1cc/scores in arcade games also play way more casual shit on the side.
>>730790420>Those games died out for a reasonYea because working for your dopamine is hard when you can just smoke crack (mmo's)
>>730790420>retards still seething about Youtuber opinions they have to make another threadJesus Christ talk about fucking obsessed, it’s like Mork has thousands of bitter ex girlfriends lmao
>>730793010Arcades died because the graphics gap was no longer there.
>>730791170No, you just disagree and can’t help but be emotional like a typical NG4 cultist.
>>730793087I don't even disagree with his complaintsHe just talks about 3 things over and over
>>730790420They're fun and it actually requires you to learn the game. That was also back when each game was a bit different too.They didn't follow some UX designers corpo spreadsheetHaving games play themselves isn't fun desuIt's a trend that started because with achievement systems devs/publishers saw that most people don't finish games and thought they were too frustrating. So they made games a lot easier but also boring and same-y.Donkey Kong Country is a great game but most people didn't finish it but people still love it>>730792854Maybe to some extent but then you have stuff like Ninja Gaiden>>730791263Cope harder
That being said, since Mork is one dude against an industry of casuals that seem to reject his entire mindset, I can't really fault him for going all the way to the opposite end.Reasonable gamers don't really need to be told any of that, but he fills a role in preventing the complete sublimation of gameplay-focused design. I hate that any internet (or even IRL really) debate always needs to be boiled down to black-and-white us vs them mindset but it is what it is and I won't hold it against Mork. Hate the game, not the player as they say.
>>730793210>Ninja GaidenUnironically a fair game once you figure out it punishes you for draggin ass, as long as you're on the move constantly it's practically a rhytm game
>>730793364act 6 is bullshit to extend playtime. the first 5 are average difficulty though
>>730792862Metal Slug 1 is the only game in the series that is fair throughout because the slug is in every level. It has a health bar for a reason. The other games go whole stages without the great equalizer that is a tank.
>>730793087>emotional like a typical NG4 cultistPot calling the kettle black.
>>730793443If we go purely with what's popular yeah sure, I wanted to say that even in the console landscape you get a lot of those strategy/sim/RPG and they happen to be big today. One of the most popular console franchises of all time is a monster catcher RPG after all.
>>730792326Holy fucking based my nigga thank you for taking your time in between fucking bitches and getting money to educate the undeserving.
>>730793364>it's completely fair when you already know the gameCollecting the flame power up is a traphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmfwUlcCZzgThe final stages and bosses are pretty difficult, especially in the sequels
>>730790420>Don't train your mind, just play le comfy jarpigs goyim
>dude you need to play fun, retro games that require a healthy brain and give the player freedom But /v/ would rather play demake slop like RE4
>>730793659>train your mindI like how shmuptards have become self-improvement bros over the past few years.
>>730793775>re4>requires a healthy brainthat game goes to easy mode when you die. gamecube is casual modern shit that zoomers grew up with, not retro
>>730792326>fame among gamersI don't know who this is and by this thread I can tell the only reason anyone here knows is because of the Ninja Gayden autists talking about him
>>730793843>that game goes to easy mode when you die.You should be playing on professional.
>>730793775Retro games, or at least the ones Mork is talking about, aren't about freedom. They are strictly about rating your performance on an "objective" scale(i.e. the scoring system or limited lives to go through multiple stages)Nothing wrong with that, just saying the point is very different.
>>730793843RE4 is the only good RE gameKeep seething
>>730793902you can't until you've already played through the game
>>730793942Your next 700 should be on professional though. Normal is for first time only.
>>730793903>Retro games aren't about freedom.https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/z6bfi7/game_isnt_allowing_me_to_shoot_my_horse/https://steamcommunity.com/app/1174180/discussions/0/3770110614217163718/?ctp=2https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/do-any-m-games-have-filters-to-turn-off-graphic-violence-language.662966/
>>730792936Mark doesn't understand video games in a broader sense. Neither do his friends from the gay club they belong to. They analyze video games according to the standards they identify in a few games they know (a negligible amount), and that's it.There's this guy who Mark "borrows" many of his conclusions from, and he made a post drawing parallels between racing simulators and arcade games, because he clearly discovered racing simulators recently and, like Mark, he only reasons in relation to his immediate experiences, without considering the broader, cultural context of the whole fucking thing.That's not to say that arcades and shmups are bad, on the contrary. But if you're interested in video games, you need to be able to understand the culture more broadly. If you're unable to understand why a dungeon crawler, or a visual novel, or a submarine strategy game, are good without you starting to philosophize about the "gameplay density" of Dodonpachi, then video games as a whole really aren't your thing.
>>730793575Well yeah, we're not in the 90s anymore, even back in the mid 80s you had some games like Dragon Quest copying Wizardry/Ultima for consoles. My point is more than Mork is a console traditionalist and enjoys/focuses on games born from that ethos. You can tell he was lukewarm on Dark Souls (a game born of King's Field, itself born of Ultima Underworld) while he loved Nioh (born of Ninja Gaiden) which had a lot more focus on its combat and action.
>>730794001What does that have to do with arcadey design
>>730792854>Console-original games were fairLMAOBack to the Future NES is more bullshit than any Arcade game everArcade games weren't that unfair, unless western publishers modified them or arcade operators put the dip switch on level 8Heck they did that for console games to combat rentals
>>730791263You described zSenzy & WokeBlader lol
>>730794135>Back to the Future NES is more bullshit than any Arcade game everTerrible American made console games from the 80's and early 90's is cherrypicking.
>>730794008>Mark doesn't understand video games in a broader sense.He doesn't clear them either
>>730794135>Back to the Future NES is more bullshit than any Arcade game everWe're bringing actual kusoge into the mix?
>>730793364Except Ninja Gaiden 3 NES is bullshit hard compared to the Famicom versionDouble Dragon 3 is brutal too
>>730792813and?
>>730793852his content touches on various niche games and genres.NG isnt his main thing at all really.
>>730792469>I don't see him proving his abilities as a playFor good reason. Makes an ass out of himself. It why we didn't get a PotMN stream.
>his criticism of RE4 remake is "um, why isn't this exactly like the original?">if Capcom makes it exactly like the og: "it's exactly lile the og, what's the point?"
>>730793824Any action game trains your mind more than that non-gameslopEven Sonic 1/2/3K/CD which are casual platformers demand far more input from the playerThis is why you get tired after playing like 1-2 hours of a 2D platformer or action game but you can easily play a jarpig for 10 hours before you feel any fatigue
>>730794365He's partially right when you consider there are games where you can waste 1000 hours chasing every little achievement, maxing everything out etc. >Campaign at leastSomewhat more reasonable but honestly there are still games where somebody who beats the campaign will have the same experience of somebody who has played it for 1 hour if it's a particularly repetitive and easy one.
>>730793063What is Cunningham's Law?
>>730794602>This is why you get tired after playing like 1-2 hours of a 2D platformer or action game but you can easily play a jarpig for 10 hours before you feel any fatigueHow weak can you be to be tired after 2 hours of Sonic?
>>730794494>NG isnt his main thing at all really.This is abundantly clear because he just talks shit when discussing ng.
>>730794609Hi Mork. Maybe you can clear DMC3 someday. Unless that's too long too.
>>730793087>can’t help but be emotional like a typical NG2 cultist.Ftfy
>>730794827I'm thinking about the trashier grindy games, not really something like DMC.
>>730794494>NG isnt his main thing at all reallyI never said it was, I just said if it wasn't for him talking about it he wouldn't have threads here on /v/
>>730794885Mork getting outed as a retard when it comes to anything ng related is hilarious.
>>730794889He doesn't review those type of games. So why bring it up as example then? This pseud will do anything besides finish games kek
>>730794260>It's cherrypicking because I say soUh-huhFriday the 13th NES was developed by AtlusAlso a piece of shit>>730794378There plenty of games with ridiculous difficulty in the 8 bit/16 bit era regardless of the quality of the gameIt's disengenuous to say all arcade games were quarter munchers.Even then let's say an arcade game takes you 20 quarters to clear? That's 10 bucks. Buying an NES game was like 50 bucks, renting could be 5 bucks.I just have a problem with people who try to paint arcade games as a scam.
see this is what I mean these epic hard game players are already masturbating themselves over le score and le ng. bunch of idiots that confine themselves to virtual masturbation instead of just playing good games
>>730794983Because the comment was talking about "critics" in general, not Mork in specific.
>>730794994Friday the 13th is 100 times better than western console games of that era, not saying much but it's true.
>DUUuuuuuUUUUUUUDE I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE ARCADE GAMES BRO>by the way i never, ever attempt to play for rank or score in 3D action games i simply beat them on Normal and i now know everything about them
>>730794420NG3 is easy outside of last stage, even the NES version. NES is more punishing, but it's still easier to get through most stages of 3 NES than later stages in 1/2. Final stage is hell though
>>730793087That guy made a video response and outed Mark to be a fucking retard who doesn't ACTUALLY play action games on any respectable level despite selling himself as a video game "expert". Mark is clearly not as good as video games as he thinks he is and clearly does not understand design and intent. The blocking point alone should have sent redflags to anyone with a brain that this guy is a fraud.
>>730795134>gets so ass blasted about the response to his ng4 review he has to make a totally legit, completely real, entirely honest ng2 master ninja review (for real, trust me)Looking forward to his dmc3 dmd review (real)
Shmups would be so much better as a genre if you didn't have to practice them every day just to have a chance of clearing
>>730795025>he doesn't knowHe publicly defended not finishing a game before he reviews it, download hack saves to avoid playing, and planned to personally deliver his xbone for someone to clear MNM for him. This is from the guy who said difficulty is content btw. His hate boner against IGN is projection.
>>730794707I get exhausted if I finish 3K in one sitting with all emeralds.Granted, I often go for perfects on special stages and usually it might take me more than 2 hours to clear it because I don't speedrun them.Usually fatigue starts to set in by the end of Launch Base.Now more demanding games like Mega Man X I get dead tired by the time I reach the Sigma stages.Sure I'm a couch potato and not fit, but that shit scales anyways, if you're fit jarpigs will just be even easier to play.
For me, it's Serious Sam on the Serious difficulty, all of the positives of an arcade game but with none of the negatives.And I'm also gonna say this, Sigma 1 >>> Sigma 2(even with the black mod).
>>730790420This guy is triple based for making incels on /v/ lose their mind and I wish it was me instead of him so I could laugh my ass off each day. he friends even know you guys seethe about him and he knows it too
>>730795309>download hack savesDidn't he download one just to start a game on hard difficulty, instead of unlocking it? That doesn't go against what he says.
>>730795292Said nobody ever, I wouldn't bother playing a shmup that you can 1cc in a single day, unless it's something like TSS where the point is playing against other people.
>>730795319Serious online with extra enemies oh yea
>>730795440If I randomly booted up Ketsui after 2 years of not playing, there's 0 chance I could potentially clear, even though I have dozens of hours of experience in this game. That's bad design.
>>730795028>Friday the 13th is 100 times better than western console games of that eraNo it isn'tYou weebs are full of shitNext you'll say that Friday the 13th is 100 times better tooFuck off, you know jackshit about games of that era
>>730795532>That's bad design.why?
>>730795426Yet he still didn't clear MNM on any version of his favourite game. Curious.
>>730795532>I fucking hate playing vidya: the postIt's /v/ I know but could you at least pretend for a second.
>>730795601>>730795641Do you think it's just a coincidence this genre has the worst retention rate of ANY vidya genre, much worse than even fighting games which are barely clinging to life themselves?
>>730795627Absolute state of gaming reviewers
>>730795680Literally more than most other arcade genres. Second only to fightans and big maybe rhythm games.
>>730794108Everything.
>>730795736Alright and they're all dead genres too, so what.
>>730795627KWABThat's why his account is private now.
>>730795770You tell me, you are the one who moved the goalposts here.Not that popularity ever said anything about quality.
>>730795680Many genres are like this, while the more popular 2D genres cling to life through games that offer casual appeal that goes against the core of shmups and similar genres. Some people enjoy the process of practice/learning, so shmups help fill that niche.
>>730795242WHat video?
>>730795843I'm being unironic when I say this genre only appeals to people on the autism spectrum. Other people don't find pleasure in doing the same thing over and over with minimal divergence.
>>730795347>he friendsGood morning saar!
>>730794585His REmake 4 videos are the only ones I've seen, and he barely even talked about what's wrong with the gameplay, despite saying he cares about nothing but gameplay. He came off as a huge poseur to me, which is funny because I didn't even realize it was the "Mork" guy I kept seeing people bring up at the time.
>>730795945>He came off as a huge poseur to meAny time he talks about anything other than shmups and beat em ups he comes off as a poser retard.
>>730795919Sounds like any activity that requires practice to me. Yes casuals don't like to get good at anything that doesn't reward them instantly, we know.
>>730795980Can't he just stay in his fucking lane?
>>730795987>Sounds like any activity that requires practice to me. Nope.If you practice drawing the same way every time, you're going to become a horrible artist.
