>When Yari Ashigaru is better than the Yari SamuraiHow?
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>>730791106I like the Naginata more than the Yari.But Kanabo is my favourite.
>>730791106spearmen are better than swordsmen in all Total War games
>>730791132But Ashigaru are tier 1 while Samurai are tier 2
>>730791205Spearmen are for defense, swordsmen are for actually killing people.
>>730791273Tier 1 spearmen always outperform swordsmen in both. It's only when you get to tier 3 or higher and unlock anti-infantry gigaswordsmen that they actually become worthwhile
How I become legendary swordsman like musashi.innthis game?
>>730791205>yari vs yari>spearmen are better than swordsmenYou drunk?
>>730791106Spear is the king of weapons for a reason, bunch of dumb peasants with spears had a history of destroying armies of knights(the Burgundian Wars)
>>730791903And you're also blind since ya didn't read ALL TW.
My lord, peasants are lazy, and have gathered a smaller than expected harvest from your land!
>>730792180but he's right. op is talking about spear vs spear
>when selling military access is required to not go broke immediately in every game
Big spear > small spear
>>730792840skill issue
>>730791106>How?they have longer stick and can perform special action a wall of sticks>When Yari Ashigaru is better than the Yari Samuraionly in shogun2, in shogun 1 they were faster, lighter and cheaper unit that have lower stats and lower morale, usually only good for pursuing enemy infantry or flanking(or garrisoning)
>activate wall ability>wall ability automatically makes enemy models line up to be stabbed
>>730791106They are only better against AI because AI is retarded and will jump right into yari wall, when not charged straight into yari wall yari samurai mogs ashigaru hard.But since AI is retarded yari wall wins battles.
>When a metal tube is better than the SamuraiHow?
Due to trading the Wall command with Rapid Advance and their higher general stats, I find that Yari Samurai can still have a niche. Cav on cav fights are generally risky as most of the time both parties have weapon effectiveness against each other. So having a fast spear infantry unit to intercept flanking cav is generally useful to have. Its not a mainline wall like YarAsh or Naginatas, they’re a rapid response unit.
>>730795538So I use them as a reserve unit?
>>730795276Did you know that cannons in FotS are made from melted down katanas? It's secret why nippon cannons are superior than western ones despite same design.Therefore japan made cannons are katanas and cannon crews are honorary samurai, because it's illegal for non samurai to use katana.
Mostly because of the economics. And because the AI is set to make you always at war so from season 1 you need to be pumping out ashigaru.One day Creative Assembly will bother to balance their games. Until then it will either be tier 0 unit spam or ranged unit spam to win every encounter. Melee being so useless in Warhammer was so obnoxious.
for me it's the ogre maneaters outperforming every other ogre infantry because of their animations
>>730795732>Melee being so useless in Warhammer was so obnoxiousI had fun just running into the enemy with Nakai and his army of crocodiles
>>730795823I mean, you can make it work and have fun yeah. It's just that your army is 10x stronger if you rely on dealing damage at range instead. So doing melee-focused campaigns is a challenge made by yourself rather than posed by the game.
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>>730796484Well you arrive at a point where numbers become meaningless though, do you really need that 10x stronger army? The whole point of my Nakai example was that it was just mindless right clicking and watching the battle play out, so it's not like having a 10x stronger army would make it easierNevermind I just remembered I always played on normal battle difficulty cause I hate the AI getting meme bonuses, and that on very hard melee becomes useless. Carry on
>>730791106They're not better, they're just not worse enough than the samurai to go through the economic trouble of getting samurai.
>>730795626Pretty much. As stated before they’re best used to intercept flankers and plug holes. Granted if your opponent has no cavalry at all or you have a distinct cav advantage you’d be better suited bumping up to sword units as they’re better suited for fucking up infantry’s day
>>730796784>They're not betterThey win every 1v1 if they use yari wall, anon
>>730791106You don't use them end game anon
>>730796827They don't.
>>730791106That's because Yari Samurai are an incredibly niche unit. their only ability is a temporary speed boost, which means that they function as flankers or interceptors. Quasi-cavalry.There is very little use for such a unit when the battlefield is dominated by front line infantry. Yari ashigaru are superior because of greater numbers and katana samurai are superior in terms of straight up combat strength.>>730791650You play the green flag southerners and secure a lvl 3 blacksmith building. Then your swordniggers rape their way through just about everything. You only need like 4 sword units in your army, the rest are ranged support and peasant fodder. You can also use cavalry idk,
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>>730791334Wrong.
>>730791106YARI ASHIGARU GOIZAMASU
>>730796879Yari Samurai where very defensive they could hold the line pretty long, long enough for me to do some flanking or some shit.
>>730796559THIS IS A BLACK DAY, YOUR GENERAL HAS FALLEN!
>>730798161Yari Ashigaru can go into yari wall and do about as well for less money. And more importantly they don't require a building.
cost efficient and yari wall
Yari samurai's double time ability also refrrshes their stamina back to full
>>730798068MEREI WA?
>>730791106They're not "better" than Yari Samurai apart from in one aspect which the AI doesn't really know how to use properly or counter well - spear wall. Yari Ashigaru are bit of a meme when it comes to how strong they are, when in a typical campaign the player will somehow forget how they butchered thousands of them. Yari Samurai are much more specialised troops, they're good at what they do but they're very niche. Maybe if the spear square formation actually worked for Yari Sams it would elevate them, but you can get pretty far telling your Ashigaru to hold a spear out in front of them and either advance or hold the high ground.
>>730791106That was entirely unintentional, because of a bug. The developers weren't able to make the yari wall work with the "2 entities are locked into a synchronized animation with each other" combat, which all other units are subjected to. The yari wall is the only exception to that rule and it has unintended consequences. Like multiple spears being able to hit the same unit. That means yari ashigaru are inherently numerically superior, even when they are not, but it especially works well, when they are.
>>730798558It's been more than 10 years since i played shogun 2. What are some more unit quotes? I have forgotten all of them
>>730796827you're not supposed to slam your samurai on yari walls anon, yari samurai are for sniping cavalry
>>730799236No biggie, the ai doesn't use yari wall
>>730799128https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9AyhNJPNvc
>>730798629Classic Creative Assembly. Ship it so broken it breaks the balance and then never notice.
>>730798629Didn't they have the exact same thing happen with pikes in Medieval 2?>normal combat: soldier goes up to 1v1 one of yours and no one bothers him on the way>pike wall: soldier tries to get close to your soldier to 1v1 him and gets hit by 10 pikes on the way
they weren't, at least not in the nonsensical 1v1 scenario you seem to be suggesting. shogun 2 still had somewhat working morale systems and these huge ashigaru units would rout at 3/4 HP + a good cavalry charge. also tw had not yet migrated to the moshpit combat system and all units fought anime 1v1soutside of that, they were better because they were generally available, cheap and numerous. katana samurai were the meta killing machines
>>730799680>all units fought anime 1v1sWhy are there so many people pretending to be experts ITT when they've never even clicked the yari wall button?
>>730791106Last time I played shogun 2 10+ years ago samurais used to massacre spearmen
