Is reading VNs to learn Japanese just a meme or does it actually work?
how are you going to read them if you dont know japanese retard
>>730792992I learned English through video games, but I also was a KID and it was probably much easier.
>>730792992>reading
>>730792992It does, I learned a lot from them - though in the very beginning it was rough because looking up kanji I didn't know was such a major pain in the ass. There's maybe some useful apps for that these days to make it more convenient.
>>730792992To certain extent, yes. You need to start with ones which feature lots of Hiragana ruby text over Kanji, and you need to be ready to look up words constantly, possibly adding them to your daily word deck.But you also need other form of studying, as with any other language. I'm not saying you need to go to class, but read textbooks, do independent courses, etc.
It’s much better to just go to Japan and stay for a month speaking to as many people as possible but that’s too money and time intensive to be proper advice
>>730792992It actually works but you have to be consistent and do constant lookups >>730793095Is easier learning a language as an adult than as a kid
>>730793297Yeah these days with kanji OCR that actually works it's so much easier.
>>730793582>kanji OCR that actually worksVaporware
It does, but really anything works for immersion so long as it's something you like. Stop looking for the best solution and just dive in.
>>730792992It works. But the mods on the language reddits don't want you to know it because it:a) worksb) is embarrassing to admit out loud
Recommend me some easy vn’s in Japanese to read. I’m moving to Japan in four months for academic work.
Yes, reading things in Japanese will teach you Japanese. But the FAT CATS in KYOTO, they don't WANT you to know that!
>>730794043Chicchakunai Mon! ~School Bus de Omukae Chu Chu~
>>730792992what is this character archetype called?
>>730794218R A P EAPE
>>730793095>>730793523Being bad at something feels bad. As a kid you pick up stuff as you go and everything is new and difficult for you and you don't know any better. As an adult it's easy to get settled into things you are already good at and avoid that discomfort. You probably also have higher expectations of yourself for a skill than you would of a kid even though you are just as much as a beginner and you have to cross that mental block.Those are more of an issue of motivation though. You have better resources, ability to understand more complex things and can be more efficient with deliberate practice. Just don't fall into other extreme of spending more time hyper-optimising your training routine than actually practicing something.
>>730794650this character is also for RAPE
>>730793839most sane lolicon
What VNs are easy but also good to start with?
>>730794375no related hits on pixiv using that tag. all I get is rape
i don't think so, unless you're stopping to look up every word you don't know
>>730795053You'd probably do a deck like kaishi before so you're not looking up every word and choosing an easy vn
>>730794965You should'v seen the Alice-posting schizo yesterday, he had an actual breakdown.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/username/imafag/
>>730794218child sex archetype
>>730792992>reading to learn Japanese>does it actually workThat's how you actually learn Japanese, yes. It doesn't fucking matter what you're reading, although looking up every word in a VN when you know none would obviously be a pain in the ass.
>>730795168That guy sounds based actually from what he's saying
>>730795224the worm is a subtle hint
>>730792992N2 hereIt's like reading marvel comics to learn English, it may get you there somewhat but if you try to speak in public using only marvel comic lingo you are bound to ridicule yourself by not understanding every day vocabulary that never makes it to media.
>>730792992>does reading content in *relevant* language help you learn the language??!?God you guys are so fucking stupidOr is this just an excuse to make a pedobait thread?
>>730793172>natsu wasummer is...what?
The only way is to eat the brain of a japanese person
>>730795468>wa>は
Cool thread, reminds of how I learned Japanese, moved to Japan and read Monobeno in 2016. Also passed N1 that year.Time sure flies.
>>730792992YesYou need to translate shit yourself though and have a method of solidifying the words you learn that don't come up often like Anki
>>730795650That's cool. Best I could do was N4. School was too hard and there was simply too much I could never fully grasp so I never felt comfortable reading and just gave up.
>>730795729That can't be right can it
>>730795767There's a lot of Indians and SEA people around here. Mostly in konbinis and cafes etc.
>>730795767back when I went in 2019 there was a jeet in every storefront and convenience store so...
>>73079576710% of 20 something in Tokyo are foreign (mostly SEA and China), 3% of total population is foreign
>>730795840>>730795859Can't they just put old people in them or use robots
>>730795890Probably because of people with little hats and big noses
>>730795908The tech's not quite there yet and no, Japs don't want to work in those places. The pay is shit and dealing with customers is just shit in general.
>>730795767It's literally a random screenshot of the headline of some bullshit, take a guess.
>>730795605U GOT TROLED LM->>730795847heh, of course, so obvious, thanks anon.
>>730795908There have been more self-checkouts at konbinis in the last few years. I vastly prefer those.
>>730795908No one wants to work retail or service jobs. The pay is shit, the work is meaningless, and customers are assholes.
>>730792992Yes and ironically actual videogames are pretty inefficient for learning
>the customers are assholesNot so much in civilized japan
>>730792992Worked for me, and I moved on to regular games afterwards.
>>730796235It's even worse in civilized Japan because the asians in general for some reason have this "the customer is king" mentality so they think it's ok to trample workers, sometimes including cruel psychological shit.
>>730795767A lot of min-wagies are SEA people. Hotel might have a jap at the reception but all the cleaning staff is flips and indonesians. Convenience stores, mostly brown even customer facing staff. Japs are still comedically racist and half of the google reviews are going to be seething about it though.They also have small by totable populations of chinese and koreans but you can't tell them apart that easily and most chink you will hear in the streets are tourists.
>>730796235you don't understand how much retarded shit is expected from customer service employees in japan
>>730796401ugh....
>>730795908RINEGOUPPU
>>730796454>>730796579>the customer is kingカスハラ (customer harassment, as in customers harassing the workers) is the new trendy meme word around here.https://www.gov-online.go.jp/article/202510/entry-9370.html
>>730796401>Park Toucher Fantasy dev committed sudoku
Whats a good futa/shemale h-game?
>>730796685what the fuck? source?
>>730792992>reads Japanese>learns Japanese>*ejaculates*>memory gone
>>730796751non-existent
>>730793839You're not supposed to say the quiet part out loud anon think of the advertisers
>>730796841should've practiced semen retention bro
>>730796957
>>730794104still waiting for the translation... i'm beginning to think /vg/anon tricked us all along...
>>730796765He's lying. Their latest post was nine days ago.
>>730792992Why are you reading in Japanese when the game is in English officially even?
>>730793839n-no...my narrative is in shambles...they aren't.... this can't be....
>>730796454>>730796579Yeah, if you are a normal person (and probably just a tourist) then the over the top niceness will be an interesting experience, but the flipside is that this is expected and japs will go full karen because the conbini clerk smiled for 0,5s shorter than the custom dictates.
>>730793839'rumpft on 'log
>>730797038why did you screenshot my post
>>730797236I was the OP of the thread and it stuck in my memory.
>>730797135thank you.
>>730797139TRANSlations are inherently evil and if you actually care about a medium you should learn its language
>>730794043Tokyo School Life. You can have 2 text windows up one entirely in kana, with furigana, or even romagi(if your insane). It's also a game about a foreign exhange student visiting Japan for the first time so it's oriented around a lot of basic stuff to know.
>>730797325You're literally retarded. The Maitetsu tl was fine.
>>730797202I lived there for a year and probably will live there again.Yes it's true, japs are expected to do great.Too bad konbinis are full of indians and seaniggers so they don't do any of that shit.
>>730797563How do know? Did you read it in JP and EN? There are a lot of translations I thought were fine. Until you see one line, you check it, its bad, then 10 more lines follow. Then the translation you thought was fine goes from okay to rewrite.
>>730794043Bishojo mangekyou, in any order, start with the girl whose looks you like the best.
>>730797563All translations are evil and inferior to originalFagles? Trash.Lattimore? Trash.Pope? Megatrash.
>>730797690>>730797773Take a cord and hang yourself, your mental illness is clearly terminal and can only be treated by suicide.
>>730797325This, just look at the compromises made to """""translate""""" this recent popular all-ages VN. No equivalent in english exists for those issues, and any attempt to inevitably degrades the original text.
>>730796646They come up with a new hara every other week>チンハラ is when hot OL ladies(virgin) step on your penis with their feet
yes
>>730797298Not like it matters since it takes them years to release a game so we won't see anything from them for a long time.
>>730797919What compromise? You just have autism and should had been aborted.
>>730796841Do you save your memory in your sperm cells?
>>730792992All languages are learned through input. How you get that input matters little.
>>730798223the ones in the pic.Why do you defend localizations this much
>>730798227You don't?
>>730798184This is why japan is a cultural powerhouse
>>730798275Nothing wrong with these. Localizations are fine as long as they're not done to sabotage everything on purpose. You're a retard and should had been aborted. There's a difference between your pic and troons who translate "tsundere" as "incel".
>>730793297What's a good solution to allow to search kanjis from the VN itself?I've always wanted to try getting a bit more into reading but having to copy-alt-tab-paste each kanji sounds like a terrible VN experience.
>>730798473>each kanjiLearn words, not kanji.Grind the basic ones first, 500 or so.Use textractor for VN and look up JL on github for an overlay
>>730797919manosaba literally follows me everywhere I go wtf. even on TERUちゃん's video on 死亡遊戯 I see it mentioned in the comments. also where is that text from
>>730796646For me, it's マルハラ.
>>730798776>>Learn words, not kanji.I always wondered how do people do this without knowing what they're looking at Like how do you know you're looking at 運転 instead of 運動, or 職業 instead of 授業, or 親 instead of 新, or 会 instead of 合 without learning the radicals or the most common kanji meanings and how they look, just a fuck ton of trial and error?
>>730793172was this thing ever translated?
>>730799076But all of these look completely different.
>>730799125To someone with knowledge blindness, yes, to someone first going into Japanese they're meaningless squiggles
>>730799076he saem wei u cna sill rid dis teks
>>730799217But cat and bat are basically the same word but the c is reversed and there's a line next to it. How could anyone possibly learn English?
>>730799028>マルハラThat shit is real everywhere in the worldIf I receive a message like that when they dont't usually type periods, something's up.>>730799076well, I just read うんてん、うんどう、しょくぎょう and じゅぎょうthe other ones are just different
>>730793839Why are all men like this?
>>730799076You still learn the kanji, you just learn them as they come up (in words) instead of learning kanji in isolation
>>730793839YOU CAN'T SAY THAT
>>730799450the fuck is that?
>>730799096Monobeno nopeMaitetsu yes.
>>730799225I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about seeing 運転 in the wild and having to remember if it's undou or unten without having radical knowledge to fall back on, it's more similar to ESLs (or illiterates) not knowing the difference between compliment and complement or principal and principle >>730799295Well you learn the alphabet obviously, that way you know the one with c is a cat and the one with b is a bat, saying "learn words instead of kanji" would be like saying "learn words instead of the alphabet" >>730799441But what does "learning them as they come up" entail
>>730799217This lines up well with the Dunning–Kruger effect. While the most competent have the highest self-evaluation, their self-evaluation is lower than their actual performance. One of the explanations is that even though the most competent did evaluate their own performance correctly, they assumed their peers would have performed similarly.
>>73079931865IQ post
>>730799502>転Well, you have about a million other words that use 転 to fall back on. Like 転々.
>>730799076Yeah, I don't get it either. I think overprioritizing grinding kanji and trying to learn all reading in a vacuum can be an issue but throwing compound words at you and trying to brute force it seems equally pointless. Even if trying to work out a word based on kanji is generally not practical it's much easier to learn by forming associations.>>730799225Isn't this just proving the point? You can only read this because of the context and a lot of subconscious experience decoding it. For someone who isn't fluent in english it's completely meaningless.
>>730799418women's fault for not cutting chuds off from their reproductive rights
>>730792992It works but there is a catch, every time you masturbate to h-scenes you ejaculated like 50% of what you just learned
>>730799553If it makes more sense to you to use a radical based approach, go for it. I felt the same way when I started, these days I don't.
>>730799607This is a lie, because if this was true, I would currently know negative amounts of Japanese.
>>730799502>But what does "learning them as they come up" entailThrough repetition, you start to recognize the radical elements of the kanji, then you make observations like these >>730799548.But yeah, you can go for a more radical approach, like RTK. You will realize by yourself anyways (like I did)
>>730799558I think it's the other way around, if women weren't such bitches nowadays a lot of these men wouldn't need to go for literal children in order to find a romantic surrogate
>>730799548But how do you know those other words use 転 and not 軽 or 輊 or 軟 or 較 when you see those words for the first time
>>730799665You need to retake those math courses.
>>730799728That's what I meant but my anger towards women got me heated so I added a "not" where it wasn't needed
>>730799673So trial and error, sounds crazy inefficient to me given that you can just learn the radicals or RTK in the same amount of time or less and also come out of it being able to write as well
>>730799762If you really wanted to know, you'd just look at them. They share a component or 2, you can still see the difference. But in practice? You don't actually read the kanji. Just like how in english you don't rasd entire words. You see the outline and you're brain fills in the rest. Kanji works the same way. This is why individually studying kanji or radicals isn't all that necessary. As you get better you're not going to be using that knowledge.
>>730799971You seem completely unable to put yourself in the shoes of someone who's first learning the language
>>730793039I didnt know a lick of japanese, but I played so much monster hunter back in the day, when I imported MHP3rd, I could wing it, over time, I learned enough japanese through that alone to basically know>fire>water>ice>lightning>dragon>wind>win>yes>no>quest/task>acceptance>failure>hello>can do>danger>worry>home>buy>sell>create>trapetc, what more do I even need?I need to take a shit, wheres the toilet can become>hello, I need to remove trash, where is home for stinky dung?
>>730799880>>730800014>people give you proved advice>no it's hard and inefficientngmi personified.Then go try learning each kanji one by one then, you do you
>>730793839
This seems to be the main reason anyone under 30 reads VNs. They want to gain something from it and can't simply enjoy them like older people that were around for them during the golden age.So, people see VNs as tools so they can get to their real goal of watching vtubers, playing gacha or doing other "modern" stuff at which point they will discard them.
>>730792992Personally I read Shojo manga with furigana and look up words I don't understand
>>730800203zamn donnie is lucky
>>730798473Oh boy I wish I could've just "copy and pasted" those kanjis back in the day... you spoiled young bastard. I had to search them in this clunky way via the components
>>730799076it's about how much you pay attention to the kanji when you read and memorize those words, initially it's easy to just memorize the shape of the word but then you encounter a word with kanji that are slightly different so the only way to differentiate them is to actually study the radicals and pay attention to the kanji when you're reading or using something like ankias for the meanings of kanji, you just get a feel for them after seeing them in enough verbs or compound words
>>730800513Buddy, even 20 years ago you could use a fucking text hooker.
>>730800171>just fail recognition 50 times before you get it right bro
>>730798458>they're not done to sabotage everything on purposeBad translations aren't done to sabotage the work. A lot of translators are just stupid enough to think adding a paragraph for a one word line, is good writing.
>>730800403based my favorite is 骨ドラゴンのマナ娘
>>730798837can someone answer my question?
>>730800814Ask it again.
>>730799489That's Doomtrain bro
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