Nice street, I will walk it, I love walking in streets.

There's a Polyhedral Room DLC that only 520 out of 7,139 backers got. I wonder if there's any chance one of them will share a video.

>>730796893
Huh, interesting.

>>730796178
I got the quest to beg Victor not to send this bitch away on day 4 or 5 or whenever that is but I can't seem to be able to convince him. Is it something that will come up again on a later day or am I just messing something up? Still not too familiar with the mechanics.

>>730796178
Does the chadelor not need sleep? Can I just continue on throughout the night? I don't even remember when the new day generates. It's daybreak right? Just got to midnight and nothing happened.

>get a gun
>start blasting
>kill 5 guys before I realize it makes him sad
>stick gun in mouth
I'm on the second chance but that fucked me. Just burned through all my speed

>>730797784
Just move on for now.

>>730797928
To add, I thought the dialog option where he says some people find it hard to kill other humans was a not so subtle dig at the patrolmen and a statement that he feels nothing at the idea of murder. Guess it was sincere.

>>730797790
days end at 2:00 am

>>730797790
It ends at 2AM. And it's best if you let it reach that point so that you can get a little treat.

>>730797790
2 AM is when the day USUALLY ends.
You can't sleep though, and you need to use the clock to switch days.
At 2 AM, just go to stillwater.

post herb brides

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Pathologic 2 was better

I'm too apathetic to play this game

>>730797928
Sanic speed is the solution to rioting districts, I dont even bother sticking them up.

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>>730798159
You know what to do

>the first scene with the inquisitor
holy shit this game is really fucking good. i wasn't expecting much since the presentation and writing seemed weaker than 2 initially but wow
also what happens if you walk the street

>>730798495
Do you ask people to fuck your girlfriend for you too? Find out yourself.

>>730798138
i like the digging yourself out of a failed timelin structure. and the writing is just as good as Patho 2 maybe even better
it feels a little less cohesive with this chunk structure but its also way more playable since it isnt as hard as the older games.
so far i would say its a +/- 0 but this one offers more in different ways.

Something tells me the developers really like Darkwood.

>>730796893
>requires a license key instead of a simple in-game code
AAAAAAHHHHHH!

>>730799415
Is it the fact that they announced they will work on the sequel of it? Because that is a pretty big tell-tell sign.

What's the best way to figure out which district the plague focus is for that day? Do I really have to scour each fucking one?

Staring at Eva's feet should stabilize Daniil's mind.

It was quiet in Thanatica...

>>730800208
Why so jittery, Dankovsky?

>>730796178
So, is Pathologic 2 or 3 better? what's the /v/erdict?

>>730799176
I always felt the dialogue in 2 felt too basic compared to 1. I get that Artemy doesn't even have a degree, but by comparison to Classic HD, all the characters had a lot less to say, spoke much plainer English, and all of Artemy's responses were very generic.
I really do feel that P3 fixes that - obviously Dankovsky's own responses were always going to be more elaborate, but I feel they addressed my issue with the other characters as well. Feel they speak in metaphors much more than in 2.

>heyheypeople slop

Miss me with that gay shit

>>730800843
Personally they're not really comparable as what they're trying to do is so different. There are elements I love about 2 that aren't even a factor in 3, and vice-versa.
I've only done days II-X so far, but I'd probably slightly lean towards 3 on account of being a lot more innovative. I'm sure if I replay P2 after this I'd probably shift back the other way again. They're equally good I'd say.

>>730800118
nah, it should get him riled up like me

>>730800843
Surprisingly I'm liking 3 a lot. The gameplay differences may sway you either way, but my all my previous pathologic 1 & 2 playthroughs total up to about 160 hours, so it's refreshingly different. Juggling the actual duties of saving the town and your personal quest to find info about Simon is fun. Danil is smug but far more unstable than 1. Haven't finished it though, this is only after about 15-20 hours

I hate the artsy time travel nigger plot
I just wanted a game where you fight a spooky medieval plague

>>730801165
Same - I've just hit a block for the first time where I can't unlock the last few days, and I really like the game is challenging me now to think critically about what actions are the most likely to solve the issue i've got.
Obviously over time I'm sure you can go back and address everything - but hitting that block for the first time relatively late in the game, I'm really enjoying having to sit back and go through all the thought chains and think what changes will likely have the greatest impact.

>>730800843
I'd concur that both are equally good.
3 still needs some rebalancing imo because it's too easy.
I initially hated the idea that 3 will be completely different gameplay wise but after playing it, it feels like the right choice and having the same gameplay but a slightly different story feels lazy, tedious and repetitive in hindsight.
New gameplay suits Danko way better too, back in Classic there wasn't all that much doctoring to you, just rummaging through trash and fighting bandits with the unique gimmick being a stupid infravision scope.
I'll forever miss the art style of the original, but the new one is good too and more cohesive overall.

>>730801437
I'm ok with the art style evolving - I loved how P2 had that kinda autumnal look to everything, and the haziness really gave you the impression of the twyre being in bloom.
The visuals of 3 feel a lot higher contrast which highlights all the architectural details at the cost of the steppe vibes - which feels much more Dankovsky-coded.
What I miss most is the fucking soundtrack to P1, it's so fucking good and totally unique. 2's soundtrack had great moments and 3's is fine, but neither hold a candle to P1.

>threatens Danil with a gun
>but does nothing about the fags who are going to disembowel him
Rubin is fucking stupid. I hate him. I now remember all this 'come back in 48 hours when it's more difficult to get to me' bullshit in the original.

>>730800843
They're very different games, P2 is all about survival and doing everything you can within a shrinking time frame every day.
P3 is much more of a puzzle game, where the death isn't a big deal but you can softlock yourself if you keep jumping between days too much.
Has some good dialogue and writing, e.g. the always present latin responses to kin people's gibberish and talking to the people 'implementing' your decrees in the most half-assed way possible.
Overall I'd prefer P2 just because I like that style of game more.

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>>730801616
>Rubin is fucking stupid. I hate him.
This is far from the hot take your post implies.

>>730801661
Honestly Rubin seems like a depressed suicidal retard, so not out of character for him.

>>730801616
>>730801716

>>730801661
I just felt P2 dialogue didn't really make me think very much - felt like everything was presented much more at face value than in the other games - which I partly put down to being familiar with the story and setting, but P3 proves it's not that at all.

>>730801701
I know, it's just been 5 years since the last time I was forced to seethe at him.

>>730801165
Strictly subjectively, I prefer P2. The gameplay and the narrative are more seamless in their integration and the slow routines associated with survival help me to be incredibly immersed.
Also, P2 didn't actively punish you for indulging in too much dialogues, never made me decide to cut a conversation short purely out of worries about the timeclock.

With that said, these are purely subjective feelings, because frankly, I don't think you can compare the games in any other way. I've said it in another thread but I'll happily repeat myself:

Playing Pathologic 3 after P2 made me consistently wonder back to playing The Void after Pathologic 1. It's just THAT much of a departure, that much of a different experience. You can see it's unmistakable IPL, you can see all the great features of the settings (charters, lore etc...) but if feels so FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT in how you experience it that trying to compare the two just feels... misplaced, or silly.

I can't say that "P3 would be better if it played like P2" is kinda like saying "Homeworld 1 would be better if it played like Halo" - it's a meaningless statement. I am not that far in P3 but it is over 10 hours already and I can safely say: this story would not work in P2's gameplay.

Misophonia, Dankovsky?

>>730801661
>always present latin responses
>took latin for 4 years in school
>barely anyone learns any anymore, even in higher education
>even if I used it randomly it wouldn't work as a smug declaration of my education as they'd think I was speaking Italian or some other romance language
Born in le wrong generation.

How do i tell Saburov about his wifes addiction? I can't find him
dear god i hope i spoilered right

>Wants to know what happens
>Won't let me do day 1 or 2
I hope the sand plague comes and kills everyone. Fuck this retard.

>>730802608
Sorry buddy not relevant :)

>>730802608
>Fuck this retard.
Sad thing is, he actually is a very nice guy. His name is Voronin and he will later attempt to disclose the machinations of the Powers-That-Be. I talked to his daughter briefly.

>>730802601
He already knows, it's not something you tell him

>>730801838
>Playing Pathologic 3 after P2 made me consistently wonder back to playing The Void after Pathologic 1. It's just THAT much of a departure, that much of a different experience. You can see it's unmistakable IPL, you can see all the great features of the settings (charters, lore etc...) but if feels so FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT in how you experience it that trying to compare the two just feels... misplaced, or silly.

You know as someone who hadn't played many IPL titles (only P2 and tried the Void for 2h) my biggest fear, perhaps unreasonably, was that we'd get "another one" which is just the same game with some mildly different dialogue in the same world and with the same gameplay. It's what I'd expect from other studios. Feels like a sequel is often just the same game with better graphics, a few QOL things added and a mildly different story (but not too different, or you'd alienate fans).
But I agree 100% with you that P3 feels like a fundamentally different game in such a extreme fashion that considering them the same franchise feels wrong somehow.
I can't speak for others, but I am thankful for that change. I don't like everything about P3, and I think I prefer P2 still (though that's a bit unfair as it's my favorite game of all time), but I'm really glad that what we are getting is genuinely novel and interesting and unlike what came before. It makes me excited to buy future IPL titles, if nothing else just to see what the fuck they are cooking up.

>>730802842
huh, didn't one of the thoughts say something about telling him? did i misread it? thanks anon

>>730802601
>>730802842
Day 7Katarina died and Saburov commited suicide. Is it because let her take morphine?

>>730803270
Yeah.

>>730803270
let her keep it by accident first, now i took it away

>>730802986
My feelings are a bit more mixed on this. I would not mind more of Pathologic 2 with new character and some tweaks to the gameplay. I did always say that I do wish Bachelor's story did reflect a bit more of his managerial role, with mechanics that would allow you to coordinate orderlies, solve local dilemma's, oversee the hospital etc... so I did get what I asked for in that regard, but if it was up to me, I would have not sacrificed the open world and hobo economy for the time-jumping angle. But that is very heavily because I not only liked the previous Pathologic titles, I found P2 to be nearly a perfect game for me, I only wished the balance was tighter and the melee was different, otherwise, it's this life-sim thing that always, always gets to me, it engrosses me so much, and the only game that ever got close to that experience was KCD.

With all that said, I do take a passionate P3 over one made out of mere obligation. P3 feels like something that - despite the clearly very, very fucked up and painful development - is something they clearly enjoyed experimenting with. My hypothetical ideal P3 would have been different but... one of the beauty of IPL games is that they explore serving you shit you didn't even know you wanted.

So yeah, I'm happy with this. I'm happy they experimented and I'm very seriously impressed with how successful they are. It's more an experience I'd expect from a new Lucas Pope game than what I expected from Pathologic, but damn, doing something that fucking compares to Return of Obra Dinn - in a god damn Pathologic framework, is impressive as all fuck.

I ONLY just now realized that Obra Dinn fucks around with non-linear storytelling and time-jumping too.

>>730802791
Oh what the fuck I missed all this, where, when, how?

>>730803595
>I found P2 to be nearly a perfect game for me, I only wished the balance was tighter and the melee was different, otherwise, it's this life-sim thing that always, always gets to me, it engrosses me so much, and the only game that ever got close to that experience was KCD.
I think we feel the same way, it's why it's my favorite game of all time. It immersed me in a way that no other game has done before or after. However I have to be honest and say that that's largely luck. The default difficulty was perfect for me, such that I was constantly challenged and felt overwhelmed during my first playthrough, but managed to ultimately keep my head above water and prevail. I've watched many lets plays of P2 over the years and it's fairly obvious that this wasn't a result of amazing game design, but largely luck. I've seen people get overwhelmed and dislike the game because of the difficulty, I've seen (perceived) softlocks or gameplay so restricted by punishment that the players just suffered through it. At the same time once you have some understanding of how the town works, it becomes almost too easy provided you choose to make use of all systems in place. It happened to work out perfectly for me, but if I'm honest objectively it just doesn't work for too many people to be considered a great design.

>So yeah, I'm happy with this. I'm happy they experimented and I'm very seriously impressed with how successful they are.
Exactly. It's an amazing game and I love them for taking the risk in an environment where risk is so rarely taken. At the same time the part of me that loved P2 would have liked "P2, but more" even if it would have been lazy. I just liked the game too much not to want more.

>I ONLY just now realized that Obra Dinn fucks around with non-linear storytelling and time-jumping too.
I really need to play that one day.

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help /v/.....

>>730804186
So, you're going to mindbreak her just to appeal to your sick fetishes? You SICK FUCK.

>>730803948
His daughter is in the day 7 flashback.

Bad game

Good game

>>730804303
She's the assistant at Thanatica?

>>730804186
Follow your heart, bro.

IN THIS STILLWATER
YAKOV LITTLE IS A HERO
END OF STORY!

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After years of hype I've been super busy with other shit on the week of release. Tell me anons, is it good?

>>730804280
But she wants to be your toy. The her that we knew says as much.
And that version of her had more ties to the world than this tabula rasa

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>>730804434
It's very, very good. I've beaten it.
Wait a week or two more for hotfixes to come in, they're patching shit super fast. You will have a good time, my guarantee.

>>730804434
It's gimmick shit

>>730804468
She says that because she's molded by what you want to hear and you want to hear her say that.

Sadly, you truly only understand this is you pick grey Eva, how tragic.

>>730804337
No. She's a student.

>>730804434
It is really good.
It's also nothing like 2.
Like so different it feels like calling both pathologic is somehow wrong.

>>730804567
Is it the one where Aglaya comes as a guest lecturer?

>>730804434
It's great, but wait a little while for more bug fixes.

>>730804613
Yes.

>>730804714
Oh, then you see her in day 2 too.

>>730803962
>nd it's fairly obvious that this wasn't a result of amazing game design, but largely luck
I don't believe that, I think P2 was a result of incredibly well considered game design. IPL always had a fundamental understanding of both how their systems connect to the broader narrative experience (they did make The Void after all), and capacity to extremely correctly understand their target player's responses (the Abino in P1, Surface in TV and the second Rat Prophet in 2 all being fascinating plays on player expectations, and each one hit me like a truck).
A lot of people being filtered out by the challenge isn't really a fault of the developer, you correctly identified that pretty much all of that was self-imposed. P2 is not actually a particularly hard game, I would even argue that P1 is genuinely harder. People not coping with P2 is a combination of ingrained bad habits and lack of desire to challenge yourself and challenge those habits - and I think people who fall victim to that just... would not appreciate the damn story anyway, given that this idea of growth from pain and overcoming yourself is literally also the game's core narrative concern.

So I really don't blame the studio for that, I think that is just the reality of most people playing games being a bit... well, lazy.

It can get very easy, on the other hand, there are some pretty game breaking strategies that can trivialize the game on repeat playthroughs, but that is also somewhat understandable in a system-heavy game (just look at the broken strategies people developed for games like Gothic and Morrowind and KCD1) and P2 is actually quite system heavy.

>I really need to play that one day.
You really do, especially if you found P3 really tickling that "detective" itch. Until P3, Obra Dinn was by far the most successful attempt at a nearly pure investigation gameplay. It's also really fucking cool, visually and music-wise. IPL is my favorite developer of all time, but Lucas Pope is second.

>>730804557
It’s still closer to Eva’s will than tabula rasa Eva. She didn’t want to free herself and take on some new life. She simply wanted to prove that death didn’t exist.

And she did, because you saved that version of her

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>>730804762
If you think that's how it is, that's how it is. But you should know better than that..

>>730801932
It was quiet in Thanatica.... *sobs*

>>730804839
Yeah now post what the rat prophet says if you freed her.

She did not choose to wipe her mind and free herself from the Stillwater, that’s never something she indicated she wanted.

She chose happiness, she chose to LIVE. And is now alive. Her, not a copy of her with some abstract freedom.

>>730805178
>trusting the Rat Prophet
>ever
Not even that anon and haven't gotten that far yet, but are you stupid?

>>730805178
If that's what you want to believe, you sick fuck.

>>730805236
Hey, he’s the one who brought up rat prophet dialogue.

>>730805246
I have more reason to believe it than you, murdering a woman just so you can feel morally justified in your righteousness

>>730805468
At least I create something independent, all you've done is a mindwashed cocksleeve.
Do you really think your choice has no consequence? How naive can you be?

>>730804741
>Surface in TV
Is that the ending after you ascend? I modded my Steam copy of the Void to Turgor because it seemd to be widely considered as a better narrative experience than TV. Unfortunately I did two playthroughs with the first going horribly wrong, second I thought I'd done everything right but it still wouldn't let me ascend so I threw in the towel. I should go back and maybe finish it as TV instead of Turgor considering it's supposed to be far easier.

>>730805537
The consequence is we have a woman with a continuous will continuing to live.

Instead of a brain wiped slave to your ideals.

Your murder is not justified because someone else was born

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I played the new one for almost 2 hours and there was too much reading and not much playing for how much it costs but I kinda liked the vibe
So I got the 2nd game instead since its cheaper and everyone says its better, wish me luck

>>730805627
>Instead of a brain wiped slave to your ideals.
Yes, that's what happens with you.
Come on anon, really, come now, do you REALLY, REALLY think there is an option here that has no drawbacks? In Pathologic? Are you out of your mind?

Try to see it from a different perspective, I can see drawbacks for both choices, but can you? At least try to tell me one for yours.

>>730805656
The tutorial section in 3 is very long before the gameplay opens up.

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I'm so glad these games are niche enough that people can actually analyse and discuss the games properly in these threads - it's what /v/ used to be like and I realise I haven't experienced this since P2 came out.
That being said, I'm also stunned by how much I'm enjoying the game and how everyone in these comments is also generally being extremely positive.
There was a huge amount of negativity after Quarantine and in the run-up to release, myself included, and i'm genuinely shocked that everyone is being so positive about it.
Shame even if it seems to be selling mildly better than P2, it probably won't buy the devs anything more than half a bowl of borscht.

>>730805556
>because it seemd to be widely considered as a better narrative experience than TV
It's not. It's just objectively worse. It's literally the game's early beta. The only people who claim Turgor was a better game are people who never understood anything, and were impressed by the sheer VOLUME of spoken words.
There used to be a genuine schizo who posted in IPL threads quite regularly who actually went mental because of this change, we used to call him Guahar poster.

The Void cut out most of the dialogue from original Turgor, but it was for a damn good reason.
As for Surface, what I mean is your first visit, which should trigger around day 20 automatically. It's the first time you see the world of not actual abstract imagery, but the real world, a deeply familiar and melanchoic reality.
It's basically the Albino in reverse. Where P1 used Albion as a jolt of weirdness after the strangeness of P1 started to slowly turn into routine, the Surface in The Void exists to remind you "there is something much more real, much more concrete behind all this surreal and metaphorical imagery".

As for your troubles with Turgor... yeah, that sounds like Turgor. That version of the game was incredibly buggy and inconsistent, because again: it was literally early beta, complete with placeholder voiceacting and assets at times.

>>730805795
Not him, but do you know where Eva is on Day 12 if you take the Stillwater Eva option? The other Eva is at the train station like she says, but I can't find the other Eva in the ending at all.

>>730806160
In the Polyhedron

>>730803962
>I really need to play that one day.
Not him, but it's one of my favorite games. I'm a boatfag though. The actual puzzle mechanics are simple but satisfying and logical.

>>730806237
Goddamnit, I have to climb it again? Thanks.

>>730805795
The drawback of this choice is that Eva is stifled and chained to a version of herself that is unable to leave the stillwater.
Unable to then, grow and change.

She is in a certain sense a slave that does not know she is enslaved, and does not therefore desire her freedom. And you have forced her into that choice forever.

So she is a pacified, willing, happy toy slave. A tragedy.


Your turn.

>>730806119
Ahhh thank you anon, that's helpful context.
I'm stuffy and pretentious so figured that even if the gameplay sucked, it was worth doing Turgor over TV if it just had more narrative content - I have no problem with lots of meaningless pseud dialogue lol and I really enjoyed my experience despite the fact the game's systems felt completely broken (I was aware that most of these systematic issues were fixed in TV).
I'll do TV soon then properly, and yes, I do remember the surface sections as being hauntingly beautiful in a way that no other game has really captured. I think, unfortunately, I will have to replay Classic HD first because it's been nearly 10 years and I don't actually remember any of the detail other than the broad strokes, so I'll definitely do at least Bachelor again, possibly Haruspex as well.

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>>730806310
If you've already gone inside then you can't do it again, I think. Might not be able to see her..

>>730804741
>A lot of people being filtered out by the challenge isn't really a fault of the developer, you correctly identified that pretty much all of that was self-imposed
I disagree. If you make an experience and out of 100 people 5 really, really love it but 70 have to give up or don't enjoy it, I think that's a design issue. And I can't agree that it's self-imposed as those people didn't know of the ways they could have made things easier on themselves.
I suppose the question is if it would have been possible to give those 5 people for whom it worked amazingly well a similarly great experience, while reducing the 70 to like 30 or so. I suspect there'd have been a way, even if I have to admit I can't say how. If it wasn't possible, then I'd agree with you.
>People not coping with P2 is a combination of ingrained bad habits and lack of desire to challenge yourself and challenge those habits - and I think people who fall victim to that just... would not appreciate the damn story anyway, given that this idea of growth from pain and overcoming yourself is literally also the game's core narrative concern.
See that's the position I used to have too, "it's the player's fault" and "it was necessary for the type of story told". But then I played outer wilds, and while it's a radically different game, the story beats are very much about not giving up (or giving up in the end by acceptance rather than fighting it(outer wilds base game spoilers)) and unlike p2 it seems to alienate far less people, even if it still does of course have some people who look up puzzles and then complain that the game had little impact.
>Until P3, Obra Dinn was by far the most successful attempt at a nearly pure investigation gameplay
I will get it and I will play it, I promise. I've only heard good things about it, and it often gets mentioned with outer wilds, which I also adore.

>>730805973
I must admit I was one of those who was negative. And looking back I seriously wonder why. The game is great. I loved 2 and I love this one. The town, the people, even the gameplay is engaging. Except for riot districts fuck that shit.

>>730806390
Oh wait, you were referring to that? Because she shows up there even if you take the other option. I was wondering if she was anywhere in the real world. Your answer made me think she was sitting somewhere outside during the climb.

>>730806119
>>730806361
Also I feel having put 50 hours into the Turgor version, TV will probably be a breeze by comparison? I think I remember people saying you have to give the sisters like 70% less colour than you did in Turgor to progress or something.

>>730806491
Yeah, she's there because the polyhedron IS a part of Stillwater and vice versa. That's her you meet there. This is intended. (confirmed by the devs).

>>730806304
I'll get it and play it eventually.
I think I'm still in that phase where I realized I'm old(er) now and no longer enjoy mindless action games or games that offer insane playtime, but rather smaller and well crafted experiences with a bigger emotional impact. I'd much rather pay for 10h of a really great game than 150h of an okay game. As a result I'm still hesitant to buy the games that offer that because in the past I'd not have enjoyed them, but consistently whenever I try one of the games doing that I end up loving them. Obra Dinn seems like exactly that type of "shorter game that stays with you" experience.

>>730806431
I think it was partly all the pretty toxic discourse around Dybowski's departure, a lot of people feeling the studio would be adrift without him, Quarantine heavily showcased the changes that are the least popular and did a poor job selling the time travel elements because it doesn't really work in such a small snapshot of game.
That, and I think I just find it incredibly hard to get excited for anything in general these days, because even the good stuff is usually safe and focus group tested - Stalker vs Stalker 2 being a good example.
Probably also helps that the game runs much better than P2 did at launch, and while it is obviously buggy, they are fixing them very quickly and many of the bugs are more annoying than game-breaking.

>>730806602
Yeah, I get that. I just thought she'd have an ending farewell that isn't part of the Polyhedron questline.

>>730805973
I didn't like the Quarantine demo either, but the demo a few months before release turned me around on it. The dialogue, presentation and mystery really grabbed me then.

>>730806767
Well, maybe, I mean, I still can't seem to be able to get the "durr talk to someone in stillwater" derr icon and there's no one there to talk to, so maybe it's just bugged.

>>730804741
>P2 is not actually a particularly hard game
I agree. I've watched some other people play and the filtering seems to sort into two types.
>Inadequate or zero planning
People who don't stock up on resources or squander shit. I can see it being a problem on a first playthrough before you understand that the game is usually serious when it warns you about bad things to come.
>people who suck at games
By this I mean the uncoordinated. Those who would lose a fight to a bandit despite having a fully loaded revolver. They can probably complete some of the game by sneaking around, but they'll eventually get raped by a combat sequence.
Either way a game being difficult isn't bad design. We all know it's perfectly completable. There's nothing that ends a playthrough that really feels like game ruining bullshit you can't do anything about it. It all requires a sequence of fuckups on the player's end. Discounting any bugs of course.

>>730805973
yeah, pathologic threads have been based

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REEEEEEE LET ME DISABLE THE HUD SO I CAN BE DANIIL DANKOVSKY, GORKHON PHOTOJOURNALIST, AND CAPTURE THE BEAUTY OF THIS GAME
(yes, i know you can apparently disable it through console, but i'm fucking lazy, ok)

>>730804741
>>730806921
>P2 is not actually a particularly hard game
I think it's because games have got people into the habit of just reloading when they fuck up - the beauty of P2 is you can fuck up pretty bad and still get to the end. Most people just see everyone dying and go 'fuck it, this game is too hard'.

>>730806859
Ahhh I was similarly negative on Quarantine but didn't want to play the demo because I wanted to go in fresh.
I just had it installed unplayed on my SSD for like 4 months because IPL told me to do so, and I said how high.

>>730806540
>TV will probably be a breeze by comparison?
No, The Void isn't particularly easier than Turgor, actually. It's a fair be more accessible, with the early game having more of a structure than it does in Turgor, and glyphs are a HELL of a lot easier to draw due to much better tracking (it's still pretty bad, but it's less terrible).
Otherwise, it's still incredibly difficult. The only explanation I can figure out about TV requiring "70% less color" is that who ever told you that never realized how Nerva alters your stats, and did not realize that he just had 100+ drops of Gold circling through his veins.
Which would be fitting from people who genuinely think that Turgor is somehow the "better" version of the game.
As for the story, here is the thing: just because one version of the game has a lot more words in it does not mean it has more to actually tell.
The Void cuts out an endless sea of meaningless drivel, a fucking tsunami of deliberately self-contradictory and surface-level (no pun intended) explanation whose sole purpose is to confuse. The game originally leaned a LOT into postmodern theory of narrativity, the idea was that faced with so much incoherent and even contradictory lore tibits, the player would be forced to become a co-author, creating his own, unique version of the lore.

This was cut, for two reasons: 1) it's not as smart as it sounds, and 2), it distracts and thus detracts from much better, much deeper second-layer of the narrative, which isn't just pretentious post-modern "do it yourself" posturing.
The Void focuses on that much more substanial, deeper level of the story, the one that actually ties to the gameplay.

>>730805973
The term is overused as hell, but "filtered" applies here. To be interested in 3 you probably had to play 2 and to enjoy 2 you have to be a specific type of person.
I was similar with the demos. Didn't post here about it, but the first demo didn't make me very excited. Second one did though. I also wrote a lot of feedback on each demo, most of which they actually seem to have addressed.

>>730807225
Mother Boddho bless you, khatanger.

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HEYY LITTLE DANNI DINKOVSKY
I JUST BOILED 50 GIANT COULDRONS OF WORM SHIT AND NOW IM INJECTING IT INTO EVERYONE I SEE
NOT SO SMART NOW HUH?

>>730807238
I just need more games like this to keep the fucking screaming american children obsessed with neanderthal-level political propaganda out.
Can we all just go live in the polyhedron and have Block nuke the rest of the board?

>>730807375
*kills self offscreen*

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help, my doc started asserting dominance over the local populace
nothing fixes it, neither loading screens nor blowing your fucking brains out

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>>730807684
Ahhh, I see you were also granted the gift of four arms after walking backwards through the Atrium. Shabnak-adyr never stood a chance.
I actually can't remember how I fixed it, I think just restarting the game worked for me.

>>730807501
I agree with your sentiment, but even just mentioning it is a potential cause for it to start, so let's not talk about it and try to stay on topic. In the same way that ironic shitposting is just shitposting, complaining about politics is just politics after all.

>>730807871
sorry I'm fucked on brown twyrine

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>"wow this sure is doable! a lot easier than p2"
>everybody dead 5 minutes later
Ah yes how foolish of me to asssume shit wouldn't get fucked from one day to another

Was anyone else autistic enough to go back and compare screenshots of the polyhedron on different days, after Dankovsky says it looks like it's tilting more than it was before

Can I hug my wife Lara again in this game?

>>730808151
No, but was it?

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>>730808267
THAT WOULD BE TELLING

>>730807847
Daniil grew another set of arms just so that he could beat the shit out of both Claras at the same time for stealing morphine

I love how on Day X when Eva has a little tumble off the cathedral, her corpse is just left in a pool of blood on the doorstep all day and nobody does anything about it. Same day that Karminsky visits the atrium, so he would have literally had to step over her corpse twice to leave and re-enter

>>730809124
Not my fucking problem.

>>730801437
>3 still needs some rebalancing imo because it's too easy.
Is it? I initially thought that but reading throught threads it seems that the difficulty is less mechanical and more about solving the puzzle. Its easier to stay alive but you still have to unlock days and cure patients, and you can just fail the game if you run out of amalgam, which is a very harsh penalty.

Im only on day 5, though. Just really begun to get a feel for it. I do have the initial feeling that its easy because i can just restard the day and focus on completing the quests i didnt have the time to complete. If thats all there is to it then yeah, its easy to just do that. But if i gotta figure out which questis to complete and what outcomes influence future events, then its more complicated than just brute forcing every day.

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>>730808510
>IPL game set in The Village never ever
why live

>>730810135
This game does a remarkable thing with its difficulty, and backloads it in a horrible creeping way.

Resources are finite even though time is unlimited. So by the time you are at endgame and want to go back to tidy up all of your quests… you realize you can’t. That you can very easily soft lock yourself and run out of amalgam.

All your resources are front loaded and then they just drain quietly in the background until you’re in a crisis

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>>730804434
Played it but will have to start anew due to bugfixes.
It is a very different game compared to 2. Haruspex was focused on day to day survival and ensuring the plague kills as little of important characters as possible.
Bachelor is a lot less personal and is more of a detective/deduction game. You don't struggle for food and such. Your job is to keep the town infection as low as possible while fighting the urge to kill yourself. And it's very good but I don't like fast travel.

>>730810482
>Bachelor is a lot less personal
Hmm poor phrasing, perhaps? I know Artemy is close to Lara, Stakh, and Grief which adds a lot - but the whole Thanatica/Simon Kain thing is arguably a lot more personal because of how obsessive Dankovsky is

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AAAAH WHY IS EVERYONE FUCKING DEAD I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT I SWEAR

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>>730810717
Poorly phrased but I mean that it's a lot less personal in relation to the whole town, at least as far as I got. Haruspex had a much bigger connection to the town and it's people. What comes to mind are relationships with Murky, Sticky and Grace or when the plague taunts you with hanged children.
I suspect Eva might get something similar or even more but I would nowayfag her because it would be funny.

>>730806427
>If you make an experience and out of 100 people 5 really, really love it but 70 have to give up or don't enjoy it, I think that's a design issue
This feels incredibly out of place in a Pathologic thread. A game does not need to appeal to everybody, it does not need to welcome in people who would only care for it if it was dumbed down.

Ask yourself this question: Why does P2 rank so highly with some people, but most people have never even heard of it? Why do some people really like it? Because the game is perfectly designed for them, in a way that it wouldnt be if it was more forguiving.

>while it's a radically different game, the story beats are very much about not giving up
Sorry but this seems like a very low IQ comparison. I've not played the outer wilds but P2 is more than "just the story". The difficulty isnt an optional aspect of the game, the difficulty IS the game. Its part of it. The devs didnt want to just make a game here characters say pretty words about not giving up, they wanted to make a game where you as the player felt the pain the characters feel, to immerse the player in the world by making them victim to the plague. This isnt something that can be told to the player, only done. You cant feel the pressure of the game by it simply telling you its there.

Theres a lot of game out there that are made for mass appeal. Let P2 be niche, thats what it wants to be. Thats what it excels at. Thats what it will ultimately be remembered for.

>>730811641
>A game does not need to appeal to everybody, it does not need to welcome in people who would only care for it if it was dumbed down.
I must have expressed myself badly if that's what you took away from my post, so apologies. Obviously my point is not that I'd want to dumb the game down, that'd destroy what makes it great.
>Because the game is perfectly designed for them, in a way that it wouldnt be if it was more forguiving.
You see that's kind of begging the question. I can't help but feel like this isn't a necessity and there wouldn't be ways to make it more approachable and more enjoyable to some of those 70 without watering it down for those 5. IF it was necessary as you are assuming, I'd agree with you.
>Sorry but this seems like a very low IQ comparison. I've not played the outer wilds but
With all due respect anon, maybe you should assume that the comparison is a bit more in depth than a high level "both are about prevailing so they are equal". I can't communicate that without you having played the game though.
>Theres a lot of game out there that are made for mass appeal.
Again, if your takeaway from my post is I want pathologic to have mass appeal then I expressed myself poorly and I'm sorry for that. That wasn't my intention. I simply believe that there must be ways to make more people have the great experience of P2 without watering it down for those who have it.
>Let P2 be niche, thats what it wants to be.
I don't think it wants to be that at all, given the developer statements made during and around P2. They just don't want to compromise the experience (which I respect them for). It being niche is just a side effect of that.

>>730796178
Cute lady.

>>730810301
>This game does a remarkable thing with its difficulty, and backloads it in a horrible creeping way.
Like i said, im still on day 5, but if thats the way the difficulty creeps up on you, than P3 is up there as one of the best, no questions asked.

This is exactly the way to showcase the horror of the plague when you can time travel, where it seems like you cant adjust the past without fucking up the future and the plague wins. In P2 the plague was draining at your material resources, while in P3 it drains your time. Gives you a false sense of security at the start only to pull the rug from under you when you're just getting used to being an immortal time lord.

Imagine fighting an opponent across time and you still lose? Imagine a game that instills that dread on you despite you having so much power? Thats incredible.

>>730812208
>I must have expressed myself badly if that's what you took away from my post, so apologies.
I dont think thats the case, i just think youre looking at the effect and forgetting the cause, becuase without the cause, there is no effect.

Lets look at what you said:
>They just don't want to compromise the experience (which I respect them for). It being niche is just a side effect of that.
So what can we conclude from this? If the developer intends to deliver something that results in it being niche, then niche is what it wants to be. It would be perfect to live in a word where pathologic 2 is recognized and enjoyed by all, but since we dont live in that world, then the experience can only really be appreciated by a small set of people. Again you're not thinking of cause and consequence. You cant have one without the other.

>Obviously my point is not that I'd want to dumb the game down.
You actually are arguing for that. Logically you cant get P2 to click with more people without dumbing down the experience, at least youve not offered any way to do so and if the developers themselves wished it would appeal to more people but cant do that without compromising. You cant criticise without at least having a picture of how it could be better, your only point is tha tit appeals to far to few people, which is a question of appeal, not of quality.

>>730810717
Artemy's connection to the town becomes the players as well. P2 was my entry to the series, and I miss the feeling of connection to the streets. I had almost every inch of the map memorised by my second playthrough. There are shortcuts between districts that were removed (for gameplay obviously, but) why would Dankosky know or care about them? P2 had it's reputation system, let you know the daily death toll and allowed you to trade with almost every NPC. Not to mention Isador being your father, or your wards. Maximum connection to the town and its people.
P3 is doing it's own thing and doing it well, but it is a bit colder. Which fits its protagonist.

Should I ignore the Rat Prophet's pathetic begging about exterminating all rats?

>>730813382
>Logically you cant get P2 to click with more people without dumbing down the experience
You keep restating the point of contention as truth, which is where the disagreement comes from.
If that is the case, then yes, you are right. But I don't think it is.

Arguably an attempt they made to fix this inherent issue (against their will due to publisher pressure to be fair to your point) is the difficulty slider. Not only do I think that doesn't really work to fix the issue, I'd not be surprised if it made the issue worse, as I'm pretty sure more people lower the difficulty because they feel overwhelmed (which I agree with you feeling overwhelmed is a necessity for the meta narrative to work) and subsequently miss out on what they could have gotten had they prevailed, then people who wouldn't have finished the game otherwise lowered the difficulty and then had a great experience. The difficulty slider is exactly what you seem to be talking about and for it I'd agree, it's a net negative. It barely increases the amount of people who can have the experience while risking the quality of the experience for most of those who can enjoy it.

Please just assume I'm not a retard who doesn't understand that the difficulty is integral to the experience. I get that.
I don't think we'll be able to find common ground when it comes to this, I'm stating a thesis that you can't falsify because I can't properly articulate it. That's probably my fault to be fair.

I'm at the trade minigame for saburova, what do you need to trade for the egg?

>>730812208
>I can't help but feel like this isn't a necessity
The developers admittedly also initially thought the same. But they realized that it would be, hence their remarks.

>wouldn't be ways to make it more approachable and more enjoyable
This is a sickness that needs to be expurged from peoples minds. Things do not need to conform to mass appeal. If you take something niche and twist it to be more popular youre changing it from what those people enjoyed in the first place. Whether you personally consider it do be watering down or not is completely subjective. Just let P2 stand at it is, with all its flaws and all its shine. It does not need to appeal to any more people than it does now, except commercially. Again if you want shit with mass appeal you have AAA games and yearly releases and FOTM slop. You either want to dumb the game down or you want people to have better taste. There isnt a world where P2 is the game i loved that is also loved by the masses. Maybe theres a world where P2 is a neat little game and the masses like it, but theres no world where everyone loves it. There is never a world where everyone loves it.

> maybe you should assume that the comparison is a bit more in depth
I shouldnt have to make your points for you. If you wont articulate a point to a level where it doesnt sound shallow then you shoudnt bring it up. I also dont need to have played it to see how it might be similar or different, you could just have illustrated that. The comparison is as in depth as youve made it out to be.

>>730814162
You buy things off the left side and then trade them back for the egg.
Basic arithmatic.

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No you don't understand I want a game where I fight against impossible odds, make difficult decisions and fight death itself.

And I want it to be easy.

>>730814429
well duh

>>730814735
If you cant buy the egg you're missing shit. Sorry bud, I got my egg. Where's yours?

>>730814528
That would be every generic RPG in existence

Post Capella

>>730814004
>Please just assume I'm not a retard
Im really not assuming that, im not assuming anything. I can see that you have this belief that P2 would be a better game if it somehow retained its identity and broadened its appeal.

Not only do I not think thats possible, I think its simply not true. I love P2 for reasons that are probably a bit different than the reasons someone else might love it. Maybe if it was just as mechanically difficult, but maybe it AAA graphics or maybe it had a more generic soundtrack or maybe it had anime artstyle or maybe whatever. Those would all affect the mood of the game and therefore would affect my enjoyment of it, what i got out of it. Maybe the devs instead of releasing Pathologic 2 that we got they released a better game, objectively if such a thing exists, and i end up loving it too. I still would have been robbed of loving P2, even if i got an objectively better game that more people can enjoy, i still would have missed out on something that i possibly could have enjoyed more.

I think youre not undertstanding how what youre arguing is anti-art. Art does not need to be perfect in order to be beautiful. P2 could have better, more fluid combat and run better and these would all be good changes, but those are really secondary. P2 is itself a reimagining of P1, and theres a good number of people that STILL prefeer P1. I havent played P1 because it sounds boring to me, but Im perfectly content with it being what it is, im just glad we have P2 and P3, and im also glad P3 is vastly different from P2, despite initially not being sold on the idea at first. Maybe someday ill play P1 and i'll end up loving it in a different way i love P2, but i dont think P1 should be changed to be more like P2. Im perfectly fine with people loving things i dont think ill like.

>>730814414
>I shouldnt have to make your points for you. If you wont articulate a point to a level where it doesnt sound shallow then you shoudnt bring it up. I also dont need to have played it to see how it might be similar or different, you could just have illustrated that. The comparison is as in depth as youve made it out to be.
I wrote out an entire reply until I got to this sentence and then scrapped it.
You don't seem to be interested in an actual discussion, you want to have an argument and frankly I'm not interested in that.

>>730815279
>Art does not need to be perfect in order to be beautiful
I'm getting increasingly annoyed at being told I hold positions I never stated. Where the fuck does that claim come from? I sure as shit neither said it nor do I believe it.
It's like me accusing you of saying that any change to pathologic 2 would inevitably worsen the experience and it is objectively the best possible game that can exist in any way.
It'd be overly reductive and frankly insulting to your position.

Again I get the feeling we don't even disagree that much, and I don't care to defend my ego against claims I didn't make. I don't think we're getting anywhere with this discussion, feel free to think of me and my position as you want.

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>>730815213
This, less arguing and more waifus. It's what Dybowski would want.

>>730815279
>>730814004
BTW anon I'll admit i felt an initial reprehension about your points, but that was my bad. I dont think youre dumb or retarded or even a slop eater. But I think youre making the very common mistake of not thinking things though and seeing only the end product and not considering why things are the way they are. This is a common mistake i myself make all the time because its hard to imagine what led up to something being the way it is. Its also very impregnated in our culture that things should be fair, equal and accessible to all, which is a notion that i take personal offense with.

Either way im grateful to be able to have this sort of conversation and talk about art. There arent many opportunities in daily life to delve into these topics with like minded people and im grateful. So please dont think Im insulting your intelligence. I just dont find theres a need to be polite on 4chan.

>>730815756
I would share a surprising deeper connection with Capella, if you get what I'm saying

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>>730815986
I'm not sure I understand. Could you please provide a full, detailed explanation?

>>730815756
where are her eyelashes
this is disturbing

If I kill the Shabbacrack at ex day 4 and 5, but then revisit that day, will I have to kill her again?

>>730815859
I know this is 4chan, but I truly do appreciate it anon, thanks.

>But I think youre making the very common mistake of not thinking things though and seeing only the end product and not considering why things are the way they are.
I'll try to articulate what I mean one more time. I might still be wrong, that's totally fine:
I watched a lot of let's plays of the game because I became somewhat obsessed with it. Usually these were on youtube and by small channels, so not livestreamed (as that'd change the experience) and without a chat. In those I saw a lot of people give up on the game for various reasons. Some, frankly, were simply the players not being the right person for this type of game. People who didn't care to try to understand the setting. People who didn't read properly. People who were too ADHD to deal with not constantly having a 100% clear map marker.
For all of these, I don't think you could make the game more appealing without ruining what makes it great.

However, there were those who seemed to be genuinely inquisitive and interested and yet failed a lot more than me. For the most illustrative example I'd mention those players who weren't used to "video games" as a general concept as much as I was. They lacked the shared language of games, basic concepts like understanding what you can and can't interact with in a video game world. Camera control. Their ability to interact with the (admittedly janky) fighting system. For these people, who did everything right in my opinion except just being worse at gaming as a skill than me, it felt sad that they'd not be able to have the experience I had. Ways to make it easier for them without making it easier for everyone could have broadened appeal without sacrificing impact. Think of a tutorial more like half life where more stuff is shown rather than told. Adaptive fighting where AI doesn't pummel you if you don't understand positioning.

(short cont in a second post)

>>730816258
She needs to take her clothes off. She might have the sand pest. We must perform an examination.

>>730816520
No.

>>730816258
>>730815756
she's one of the characters that looks better in the new rendering from 3, it suits her complexion

>>730816520
>kill the Shabbacrack
Is this something someone tells me how to do or do I need to find it on my own? I hate that bitch. I want to scavenge the plague districts

>>730815859
>>730816558
(short cont)

I suppose ultimately it's an emotional argument that I feel bad for those people. They feel deserving of the experience, they didn't do anything "wrong" and yet they didn't get to have it.
It's easy to think of those who don't care for the message and frankly fuck those people. If you cater to them what you get is basically ubisoft games, and I'm sure none of us want that.
But I can't help but feel that the start of 2 especially could do with some more ways to show these people these things. Maybe that'd ruin the disjointed feel of the tutorial which I adore in its own way to set the tone of the world as metaphorical and weird, in which case it'd be unavoidable.
Maybe I'm just out of my depth and can't see why any increase in accessibility necessarily weakens emotional impact. That's perfectly possible.

over half way through and daniil has yet to be barely fazed by the fact that he can suddenly time travel

>>730817392
He's not, he's just retelling in a funny order.

So you don't sleep at the end of the day? I need to go to another day with the clock?

>>730817882
Yeah

>>730804557
It makes sense considering how she dresses up for Artemy in P2

>>730807353
I don't think you want that for him - Mother Boddho tends to release horrible plagues as a sign of her intent.

>>730817882
Or restart the same day.

>>730817392
Speaking of, do you know when they touch upon why the suicidal man wants to live forever?

>>730817882
You can end a day by using your bed to skip time to 2am, but you need to use the clock to actually restart the day.

>>730818642
He's suicidal because immortality isn't real so why bother...

>>730818642
it's an impossible idea, like the polyhedron

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I had a quest of him dying and didn't complete it in time but now that I progressed 2-3 days in I can't find him dead anymore in the previous days.
Is it because one of the other two characters saved him, does the game work like that?

>>730817462
Eva mentions Daniil using the clock a lot though. And he occasionally mentions "going back" to fix things.

>>730816698
Are you pirating by any chance? Clara won't stop harassing me for putting it off for so long, you can't miss her.

Speaking of which what is the audio que for the flower? I thought the Mongolian throat singing was for the Ardat-Yakshi and the usual plauge noises were for obstacles?

>>730819026
He's got a lot of jokes!

>>730818642
>why the suicidal man wants to live forever
It's more common than you think. Suicidality is often not really a rational position to begin with.
I'm still in the earlygame, but it feels like he cares about defeating death more because of the prestige than the actual result of living longer. Maybe that changes as more motivation is shown, but for now it seems like the primary motivation to tackle that issue is because it's so hard and he can feed his ego if he wins against death itself.

>>730819026
>And he occasionally mentions "going back" to fix things.
The man is 40% drugs by volume, those might as well be the ramblings of a junkie.

lost my entire inventory because apparently recharging the prototype passes time

at day 10 what the fuck am i supposed to find at the house kira sends me to? i try talking to the doll and it's always telling me that i need to find more clues

>infected house on day 8
I have no idea what to do in this fucking quest.

>>730820108
Check the second floor too..
Essentially you need to look for clues, silly.

>>730820259
i've been checking both floors for shitload of time and i still can't find anything more
i would feel more comfortable if the game wasn't bugged as fuck

>>730820469
It's not bugged, you're just missing stuff.
Check the toy, the book, the cups in the kitchen, bookshelf, look at everything that glows.
Then talk to dol..

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Is there point to playing Quarantine at this point? I got it when it released but haven't gotten around to playing it yet. Iirc it was marketed as a "prequel" but it's now delisted so I'm confused if it's an actual prequel or just the game intro teaser or some shit

>>730820654
marble nest was delisted too
i guess there is, because there is stuff not present in the final game

>>730819034
No, I did get the dialogue from Clara talking about the flower but I was saving Rubin so I just ran to the exit.

For me? It's the guy who complains everyday. about the hospital not looking at his hurt foot.

Post some waifus. There's a lot of them in these games.

>>730821024
For me it's the woman asking about a funeral

>>730798138
Her eyes are red because she's been smoking weed.

>>730820654
>>literally the tutorial, bro.
There's one interesting scene spoiling something that happens in the capital and illustraiting how bad the Thanatica situation is.

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>>730796178
Serafima is a miracle of the universe!

Where do I get reagents for the microscope at the hospital?

>>730822035
kids can rarely trade you a recipe (there is a vendor with it guaranteed with it later)

or sometimes you get one in a mystery package

>>730822140
Well shit, they make a big deal of how I can use the microscope to analyze samples and the reagents are so hard to come by? I thought I would find at least one in the hospital containers once every few days.

>>730820986
She'll return to haunt you every day until you find one, and the game won't even highlight the wretched thing.

The infected districts are quickly becoming my least favorite part of the game. Without any chance to catch the plauge they're just low visability obstacle courses.

>>730821402
>spoiling
So is it worth it? If it's just a tech demo or something that's included in the main game anyway I'm starting to feel like I should just skip it

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>>730821095
GET DOWN

>>730822217
> I thought I would find at least one in the hospital containers once every few days.
they can spawn there, I got 3 from one on day 8 (which I didn't need because day 8 patients are so easy I got them all without even doing the break and enter sidequest)

but the microscope isn't actually that important, it just narrows down things if you're really stumped.
or haven't figured out how to interview patients fully I guess.

the recipe is very simple though so when you do get it you can walk out of the stillwater with like 4 of them first thing if you want

>>730818118
Only if stupid sexy utopians impale her with their hubris

>>730822460
is this real?

>>730822306
More of a demo for the new mechanics, yeah. Just go ahead and play the main game, then go back for the easter eggs if you enjoyed the story.

Honestly kinda dislike how they changed peter's personality in the newer games. I thought his more jovial drunk manic-depressive personality in pchd was way more endearing and memorable

>>730822460
i really wish this game had a crouch button

>>730822504
>or haven't figured out how to interview patients fully I guess.
Maybe, but if that's the case I really don't know what I'm missing. I'm interviewing the girl who eats clay on day 6 and I still can't tell which one of the two conditions with geophagia as a symptom she has.

a game with dozens of waifus and the porn is all fujo shit

>>730822823
If Artemy is there he'll get mad at you for being a dick and then basically give you information to narrow it down between the two.

It's absurd how fast you go at full mania. You can almost tell that testers kept complaining about how slow the walking pace was, and after a bunch of attempts at tweaking it the designer got pissed and just set it to like 10x speed.

>>730823075
>You can almost tell that testers kept complaining about how slow the walking pace was
>testers
...It's an IPL game

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>>730822460
>what you see when you walk into Mr. Advertiser's office for your check

How do the infected districts actually work?
As far as I can tell:
>flower & shab get randomly shuffled between the infected district when you reload the day
>they will only be in that district for the rest of the day
>failing to kill shab by missing or ending the day without using the sample is persistent across day reloads (?) - heard this but never failed so far
>it gets more complicated on day 7 but 2 can't be in the same place
>mold that fires particles and infected walkers hurt your health directly and can't be dealt with by using the prototype
>shadow people behave the same as the tornadoes, they just roam instead of staying in one place
Am I missing something or wrong about any of this?
Also
>Misdiagnosed one guy on day 4 and another on day 5 but killed shab every day
>Daniil hates metaphors so much he started taking "fight death" too literally, ignoring his patients

>>730822823
by that i was referring to how you can select possible symptoms (especially like if you can't tell if something is a rash or the other things that look like a rash--although in that specific case just picking one is sometimes enough for them to clarify) then talk to them again.

if it's a false or unrelated symptom they'll tell you (but they might be wrong/lying)
if it's ambiguous they'll narrow it down for you
if they don't say anything at all you're retarded so it's not a symptom

if you pick everything at once though daniil will tell you to fuck off and you lose the ability to interview them so don't do that

the notebook does tell you this but it's slightly ambiguous at first because he starts with a few questions automatically on early patients

>>730822734
I wish you could jump.
At one point I softlocked myself because I ran off some stairs into some little enclosure with a little fence about 20 cm high.
Ended up having to reload entirely, but in hindsight I should've waited for my apathy to fill up because Danko shooting himself rather than step over a tiny decorative fence is funny

>>730823345
>flower & shab get randomly shuffled between the infected district when you reload the day
Shabnak definitely appears in multiple districts - possibly every one, but I haven't tested that. Pretty sure the flower is in multiple as well.
>failing to kill shab by missing or ending the day without using the sample is persistent across day reloads (?) - heard this but never failed so far
I think it's always repeatable until you've finished her off in individual days
>it gets more complicated on day 7 but 2 can't be in the same place
Yes they can, you're literally told this and it's kind of the point
>mold that fires particles and infected walkers hurt your health directly and can't be dealt with by using the prototype
The spore jets can be temporarily disabled by the prototype, the apparitions too, but not the actual infected bandaged people
>shadow people behave the same as the tornadoes, they just roam instead of staying in one place
other than getting sucked in, yes

what the fuck are the levers in the church supposed to do

>>730822734
In one of the endings the game trolls you by telling you to prove you are a human by jumping

>>730823797
one for amalgam, the others are to visually demonstrate the effect of the cathedral on time

>>730823685
>>730823345
A flower is always in the same zone a Shabnak is.
Some areas don't have either, ever, like Atrium or the factory, possibly warehouse too.

>>730823345
>>it gets more complicated on day 7 but 2 can't be in the same place
are you talking about the twin shabberwocky?
pretty sure that can happen way earlier if you're clearing them out starting from the beginning (which is optimal because it's a lot easier to find cabbages if you only ever have 1 infected district)

one chases you and one stays a short distance away/runs from you
the fake one burns green but which one is fake is random, so if you see green fire sprint for the pussy shab asap, it's always nearby

>>730823629
So far every time this happens I've been able to find another hole to get back so I guess I've been lucky.
Except that one time by the cattle herder where I decided to see how far I could walk into the void instead since I was curious if the rest of the map still exists out of bounds.
Turns out no, it was just a huge endless field of flowers until I fell off the map somewhere around the train graveyard.

>>730823685
Huh, guess I just got really lucky then.
I didn't want to fuck around and find out, so usually I just focused on quests and reset the day if I considered I lack the time to find the flower and kill Shab in 2 trips

>>730823865
Yeah, Atrium made me think that if Shab is in one district it won't be in the other ones.
I figured that both shab and flower always come toghether but wasn't 100% sure
>>730823893
desu I only missed one day and assumed it was set to be in day 7, I know about the fakeout but so far I've only seen one at a time

>>730823798
jumping wouldn't help me figure out if the dancers have vaginas on day 1

>>730823893
You can heavily abuse the mechanics of the twin Shabs - in the Maw, for example, one of them always spawns pretty close to the entrance from the Stone Yard direction. If it's the fake one you can just exit the district and re-enter and you've got a 50/50 dice roll each time on it being the real one. I only did this once to test it.

>>730823002
Is there such a thing as the uncanny valley specifically for a character that reminds me of murky but not really?
The uncanny murky.

>>730824220
>so far I've only seen one at a time
that's because the fog in infected districts is worse than turok and the other one is running away

although i guess you've actually made things easier on yourself by assuming there was only one and leaving if it burned the wrong colour.
I will consider this strategy

>>730824328
I mean, she comes to you if you wait a couple seconds. I've always just taken five steps to the nearest bonfire and stood there. Since you're up against an entrance you're already limiting where the other one can be if you need to chase.
But the reentering idea sounds objectively easier, I won't dispute that.

>>730823002
CARRY MORE THAN 1 HEALTH VIAL YOU BITCH

I haven't yet worked out the mechanics of the mirrors - some of them seem to stay broken if you reset the day repeatedly, while others repair themselves and you can break them again

Is it just me or are some achievements completely broken? I got the "adopt a bull" achievement despite me completely ignoring the bull quest and also the one for throwing away the shmowder without analyzing it right after I analyzed it.

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Where do i find something unneeded?

>>730825520
>also the one for throwing away the shmowder without analyzing it right after I analyzed it.
hmmm, I think that one is actually just straight up for analysing it?
I think Dankovsky analyses it, sees that it's highly toxic, goes 'wtf this is barbaric, an adult wouldn't even survive this' then throws it away instantly without testing it

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>>730796178
I'm avoiding these threads for fear of spoilers, but when starting a day is there something I should do to "wake up" earlier?
So far whenever I switch to a new day it's already 10AM, which seems very late.

>>730825617
Just trade a bunch of random shit to one of the albinos.

>>730822734
Just trade for it normally. Everything you trade away is uneeded

>>730825701
Dankovsky's a late riser, it's a habit from his university days

>>730825701
No.
Also, you use no amalgam to return to the beginning of the same day, so you have functionally unlimited time to do things. It's all your other resources that are restricted.

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>>730796893
Polyhedral Room DLC
I have it, but I haven't even set foot in the polyhedron yet. I'll report back but it will probably take me a couple of days.

>>730825747
Not sure if it's an error, but on Day II when you go to the steppe village to look at Isidor's body, the thought says you must arrive before noon so the body isn't moved, but that seems to be physically impossible as you wake up at 1040 and it takes 1hr 35mins to get there from the Stillwater. I arrived at 1215 and he was still there so it was fine.

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>>730825804
>Also, you use no amalgam to return to the beginning of the same day
It didn't even occur to me to use the clock before the end of the day.
That sounds extremely broken.

>can't see Katerina's junkie booba even with streamer mode disabled
IPL are cruel!
>>730825961
It is. The sooner you get into the rhythm of restarting the day, the easier everything will be.

>>730822460
More like this

>>730825357
my guess is it's a standard "looted list" like a lot of games use
ie it only records a certain number of broken ones and when the list is full breaking another one resets the oldest one

but I've barely paid attention

>>730825706
I guess my game is bugged then, i don't get any icon on them

>>730825914
I noticed that. The village marker also says it'll stay there until the funeral, so I think it's an oversight because the funeral marker doesn't actually change or go away when you miss the morning deadline, instead you just find out when you get there that you're too late. Until night anyway.
I think when I finally got to examine the corpse (because tricking the fucking embalmer is also weird/buggy so I was going to other places thinking I'd missed a hint or needed to reset) the sun was actually setting.

>>730826129
Update: I killed her.
Apropos of nothing, I detest the euthanasia system. I have no idea how it's supposed to work.

>I need to get back to the capital, they're going to dismantle my lab!
What the fuck is he talking about. They were banging on the door as he was leaving. It's over. It's never been more over.

>>730825961
>>730826129
Not like it would even matter since you get amalgam for doing quests, so assuming you're actually doing shit when you reset the same day you'd still fill up almost immediately.

>>730827228
blue drug subtract number from pulse number
pulse number between lines is peaceful death
how confuse

>>730827420
Confuse because I never do euthanasia because I have amalgam oozing out of my pores, and annoyed because it didn't occur to me I'd be doing the euthanasia minigame for a surgery.

>>730827498
you know what I withdraw my statement
considering that usually IRL the goal of a euthanasia is the reduce somebody's pulse to exactly zero, this minigame does in fact make no sense

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>people cried about Pathologic 2 being too hard
>IPL patches in difficulty sliders and Imago achievement
>now Pathologic 3 is piss easy
You'd think after 25 years of making the same game, someone at IPL would figure out the balance

>>730827368
>He's coping, anon.
He wanted to die there, not in some shitty backwater plague town.

>>730827860
They just sidestepped the whole thing by making it not a survival game this time.

2 was also a very easy game so I don't think the problem was ever IPL's.

>>730796178
Maybe I just forgot but I don't remember the character models standing around like literal wax doll models in most of pathologic 2. in pathologic 3 it looks like the entire starting section is filled with lifeless mannequins standing around. I hope that it changes later

>>730828510
They do just stand around the same way, but they don't have that wax doll look in 2. They just went too far with the subsurface scattering in 3, it makes everyone look pale as fuck too. I hope they fix it eventually.

>>730826129
alexander aint a cuck yo

>>730828793
He can't even knock up his wife. Alexander is infinitely worse than a cluck-a-doodle-doo.

>>730828961
>he didnt get the egg
ngmi

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Just in case you didn't notice, after the patient diagnoses are confirmed at the end of the day, you can check your casebook for a little note from the patients.
I think it's a neat little detail.

>>730829201
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>Alexander isn't a cuck
>that's why he needs Daniil to give him a baby :)

>>730800843
They're legitimately incomparable experiences. IPL has (correctly) identified that the three healers in the Steppe have wildly different backgrounds and experiences, and so the mechanics will be tailored around each route. As far as writing, I like P3 as much as P2 thus far, but I'm only like 4 hours in.

>>730827860
>figure out the balance
dude, there are companies of all budgets and sizes who will NEVER figure out balance, what makes you think a bunch of slavs would figure it out?
hell the only REALLY balance games to ever come out were ONLY FLUKES

>>730827860
Pathologic 3 is easy? You will be a little bitch and ask for advice here in a couple of hours just like everyone else.

YOU'RE ALL BITCHES
I HATE YOU
DUMB FUCKS LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME AHH

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jesus fucking christ bros, this bug really scared me
i'm okay with seeing monstrous clay and bones plague personifications, but people talking in russian is too much

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>>730828496
>They just sidestepped the whole thing by making it not a survival game this time
Maybe that's my problem, I'm still in the P2 mindset when I should approach this more like a puzzle game or something like that.

Where are clara and the rat prophet on day 11? I know I need to find them in the plague areas but can't see them anywhere. Is there location fixed somehwere? I just see an exclamation mark.

>>730830440
Bet you also steal posts from Reddit, you faggot.

Currently at day 10, when will point of no return happen and I won't be able to go fix everything in the past anymore?
I'm still waiting for another hotfix to finish that fucking odongh engineer quest and I don't want to cuck myself from endings because of a bug.

>>730830774
I don't know if someone on reddit made that joke earlier, I don't go there.
How do you know about it?

>>730830965
>also
Stop pretending to be illiterate, you DISCORD USER!

>>730831181
that was my post, doesn't count, fuck off

>>730829328
check yourself into a psych ward dude

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Wife

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Ok so my paranoia that I might run out of amalgam in the late game just compelled me to do a 2 hour survey of thea town to try and work out more of the mechanics.
Here is what I learned:
>Mirrors seem to have fixed placements for each day, you can restart the same day multiple times and the mirrors are in the same location - also tried changing to another day and changing back and they're still in the same place.
>Breaking mirrors seems to be persistent for that day. Restarting the day doesn't repair them, changing to another day and changing back doesn't repair them.
>Resetting your progress on the cathedral investigation branch and revisiting the cathedral again on the first opportunity doesn't let you use the amalgam vessel repair again
>I did my survey mainly on Day II, most of the districts have one, maybe two mirrors, but for some reason the Maw has 6 or 7.
>Having nearly shot myself in the face after wasting an hour surveying the whole town only to discover the placements change with each day, I did a quick run around town again on Day III and found that once again, the Maw seemed to have far more mirrors than any other area.
>This anon >>730827420 said you get amalgam from doing quests - I don't think this is true, at least not for most of them. Certainly if you reset specific thoughts on a day to alter their outcome, you don't get amalgam for clearing that arc again.
>You can't get your 100 Amalgam anymore from Eva once she's cathedral'd

>>730831681
That's funny because (big amalgam spoiler). Any ending you gets gives you a full free refill of amalgam and you can just go back and get other endings.

>>730831681
I guess the most significant warning I can offer from this is that you could softlock yourself by going back to Day II (and likely Day I but I've not been back to it yet) by having used most of your amalgam already, but having already broken the mirrors around town in a previous run through that day.
Obviously post Day II it's less of an issue because you can treat infected, even if that comes at a risk - it feels like the best mitigation at that point is to repeat the same day to build up tradeable resources and fill your inventory with every strength of drug to increase your chances of successful treatment.

>>730831681
You can save Eva by seeing her dead body before day 10, and seeing her alive on day 11 by jumping back to day 10 and following the fireflies with they key.

>>730830884
There's no day of no return, you can jump back even after getting an ending.

>>730831920
Finally, there were far less mirrors around the town than I thought there would be, at least based on their placement in Day II.
I'd spent a lot of time around the Maw throughout my playthrough so far and have seen a disproportionate number of mirrors there every time, so assumed there were more elsewhere.
Based on Day II alone, I didn't count, but I'd guess there were about 20 mirrors total. Some of these I'd smashed on my first visit to Day II without really thinking, sometimes when my amalgam was already full, not realising it would make things harder later on.

>>730831920
You can "farm" resources by robbing muggers in rioting districts too, but i'm not sure if the ratio of bullet to drops is positive and, of course, not doable in day 2.

>>730832045
Oh, and I might have got this wrong - but I think if you end the day with a partially full amalgam vessel, the vessel empties, even if you just reset the same day

>>730824272
Just find this one >>730822460
She's nearly completely naked and even hairless down there, you just can't see the slit

>>730832359
tbf having just spent 2-3 hours replaying Day II, first to work out how to get past Oyun, and to do Isidor's body which I hadn't done in my original playthrough Day II, then my big survey - it's very easy to build up a huge number of tradeable resources just by running round town looting containers - more than you'd ever realistically need. It wouldn't be hard over 1-2 replays of a day to fill trade enough to fill your inventory with medicine so you've got the best chance of successful euthanasia

>>730830736
There's like a rectangular courtyard surrounded by four houses. They're in that.

do you get to bro it up with the haruspex in 3

>>730833223
Yeah, to some degree

>most anticipated game last year (Stray Children) has mixed reviews
>most anticipated game this year (Pathologic 3) has mixed reviews
What does this say about gaming?

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>>730833938
?

>>730833938
Doomposters really live in their own world.

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>mfw going to the Train Graveyard on day 2

>>730833139
thank you

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>unlock Days 8,9,10 and 11
>skip right to Day 11 first
We wild out here

>>730834818
Immensely based.

>There's an achievement for making Artemy lose everything
I don't want to do it bros...

Can i romance Eva in this game?

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>Played for 40 hours straight since release day
>Hyper invested, solve puzzles, make progress
>Get this ending
What the fuck. Do I suck at games?

>>730835381
she's already romanced everyone in town

I really wished they delayed the game a week or two to fix all these bugs, i keep encountering broken quests and softlocks and its starting to really bring down my experience (which would otherwise be an amazing one)

>>730835494
You might actually be. You only get that ending if you fail to find out anything. Mark berates you for doing nothing. Useless city boy.

>>730835494
I realized that when you "redo" a quest, if you don't refinish it all the way to the end, its progress doesn't carry over to the other days even if you technically completed it before.

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>>730835494
Broo....
Here's mine after 40 hours.

>>730834436
He's remarkably chill about it compared to how he is in P1

Holy shit Day 8 is insane first time around
So much happening all at once

>>730833223
you get to be a bigger bro to him then he could be to the bachelor back when you were in his shoes
P3 might be the only game we ever get where there is 100% cooperation between the two, since iirc in P1 changeling route they either kill each other or try to kill each other
Burakh even starts calling you emshen

>>730836997
I see your Day 8 and raise you a Day 9.

is there a dictionary of steppe speak anywhere

>>730824656
>although i guess you've actually made things easier on yourself
yeah that's pretty much what I did, hear them coming light a fire and just leave if it turn green

>>730837358
You can still betray him it's required for one of the endings.

>>730837358
P3 is also the only game in the series where you can kill another MC, in this case, Burakh can be hanged.

>>730837480
tomorrow, I ended up going to bed between 4-6 am every night of this workweek and I have morning shifts too, it's more immersive this way
>>730824656
also yeah, can't see shit in infected districts, I hate having to cross them at night

>>730838008
*fail to save

>>730837931
if it's what >>730838008 says I already got past that stage, fuck NKVD glowies Burakh might be a dumb peasant taken from the plow but he's /ourguy/

>>730838172
Depends on your perspective, you can let people die if you feel like it, after all.

>>730835616
same, but if they delayed it another week, they wouldn't have any testers

>>730838172
No for some endings you want him hanged so he can't be used by one of the inquisitors

So i got the immortal ending and saved eva, anyone know what's required for the 'Anything for You' achievement? Need more romance shit with Eva.

Tbh I feel like all of IPLs games are just dating sims that they fail at creating and turn into games about the existential nature of humanity

>>730838345
im pretty sure they did get some playtesters in the discord, so i cant imagine how much more broken the game was then kek

>>730796178
When will they make pathologic 4 I can't wait to play the exact same game again but +1 graphics
Updooting this thread
Edit thanks for the Reddit copper

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>>730831681
Nice
From now on I'll write down on a map any mirror I find, separately for each day
If anyone wants to help, here's a blank map
(I didn't find anything in the game files, so I stitched together some screenshots to have a somewhat high-res map)

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>>730839402
Here u go got some church+stillwater mirrors (red outside, blue inside)

Next I'll do the cape.

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>>730839596
>>730839402
And that's 1/3rds of the map done, phew! Might've missed some, but here ya go!

Oh and there's one behind the water tower, almost forgot!

>>730833938
that people who have enough interest and taste to actually anticipate things are a different group from the mindless flesh horde who click on whatever's popular on steam and then do weird things like leaving a steam review

>>730838521
i wish this game had more hardcore sex
some people itt have complained about the subsurface skin attribute being higher but they do that in all the good overwatch porn and it makes vaginas look pretty flattering imo
plus these guys are pretty great with lighting in the dialogue portraits so i can only imagine how pretty first person pulverization of the pussy of [my favourite female character] would look
also stopping daniil from having a heart attack before the cum bar fills up would be a good minigame to use up all these meds i've collected