>a town built around a nuclear bomb? that's too ridiculous and silly>LE EBIN 50s mobsters and yakuza!! dude what if you boxed Mike Tyson and he bit your ear off lmao and then you fight Bruce Lee and had BDSM sex with a supermutant!! and HR Giger aliens were running around everywhere and the deathclaws talked and you became a porn star named Ron Jeremy and ScientologyWhen did you realize Fallout fags were retarded?
>>730808051Fans have long recognized that Fallout 2 is full of stupid referential shit that doesn't belong.Bethesda genuinely thinks that all that same retard shit you are complaining about is peak.
>>730808160Except they don't. >Obviously we had the old games to look at, and Fallout 1 became our main model and inspiration. I always preferred the tone of it, and it's the one we focused our time on dissecting.- Todd Howard, "Welcome Back to Fallout" (2007)
Hating 2 is peak reddit
>>730808289Well they failed spectacularly. Emil should've stuck to level design, his writing his atrocious.
>bethesda faggot who never played fallout 2 shits on it for some easter eggs and references because he was told to>Emil got so mindbroken by people shitting on his stupid low IQ writing that he started coping how Fallout is about a wacky Rick and Morty tier wasteland and nothing needs to matter or make logical senseLmao
>>730808470>Fallout is about a wacky Rick and Morty tier wasteland and nothing needs to matter or make logical senseIt is, thanks to 2
>>730808289Todd Howard, five seconds later:>Fallout is like itchy and scratchy
Why do you keep making this thread. I'm still not going to like the TV show.
>>730808051It's painfully obvious you're never played Fallout 2 and just read the wiki or went off of someone's youtube criticism. You missed the exit to normieville a few miles south.
>>730808567>>730808470>you didn't play it, you just know everything that is in itcope harder
>>730808539You never played Fallout 2. What is "Rick and Morty" about playing as a female character so weak she gets overpowered and raped by a junkie kid?
>>730808051the vast majority of people, including "fallout fans" (i.e. started with Fallout 4 at the earliest, like retarded OP) can't even tell you what the main theme of the Fallout franchise is and what "war never changes" means.
>>730808635it's very easy to read a fanwiki.
>>730808559It's pretty good, it captures the feel of the OGs pretty well and you can tell the director secretly hates Todd FO with the little things like having quirk chungus reddit actor represent the commonwealth BoS lol
>>730808635like I said. You missed to exit to normieville. Turn around.
>>730808635Yes, you didn't play it. Looking up wiki shit is not playing the game. Especially if what mindbreaks you are the easter egg and popculture reference sections.But pray tell, how did you get rid of your "wife" after being forced into a shotgun wedding?
>>730808051All of those things put together are less retarded than building a town around a nuke.
>Bethjeet TV show shill hitpieces for Fallout 2 AGAINyawn
>Todd said violence is funny and cool. He doesn't understand Fallout!>the first point on the Fallout 1 proposal talking about what makes the game cool:
>>730808807Is that a real quote, because I don't think Todd would ever swear.
>>730808738>It's pretty good, it captures the feel of the OGs pretty wellYou are so fucking stupid. People who praise Amazon slop need to be put down honestly. Wouldn't need to listen to your brainlet takes.And why would the normalfag director hate Todd when without him the normie faggots wouldn't even know that Fallout exists and there would be no market for this shitty femoid show?
>>730808051>Fallout fags were retardedJosh Sawyer realized this in 2003
>>730808930He gets paid a few rupees every time you reply to him. Stop engaging with obvious Indian shills that work for Amazon and Bethesda.
>>730808051I played Fallout 2 a year or so ago and while it definitely has a lighter tone it's way, way overblown how referential it is. Maybe half-a-dozen to a dozen throwaway lines in a 30 hour playthrough. One of those complaints that mostly spreads just because people see others complaining about it.
>>730808976It's funny how much this applies to nufallout fans.
>>730808976Obsidian, Sawyer and Avellone all showed that they had the stuff to make a grounded story in Fallout with a high degree of verisimilitude when it came to them working on New Vegas. Which is exactly what the original fans way back then wanted, well, apart from the people who were complaining about the legion wearing football armor, since that survived from Van Buren to New Vegas. Van Buren probably would have been extremely ludo if Herve didn't kill the company by funding FoBoS, but it was definitely more sci-fi heavy than even Fallout 2's take on Fallout.
>>730808051Fallout NV is the real Fallout 2
>>730808051Yeah considering the direction FO was going, Bethesda taking over was a blessing.
>>730809312You mistyped Fallout 3. Without Fallout 2 there would be no NCR.
>>730809148It's mostly people who haven't played it that read an extremely well-documented wiki page that lists every single easter egg and minor reference all at once and don't realize these are spread out through thousands of lines of dialogue over a game that can involve like 20-50 hours of gameplay. Not to mention that the majority of them would just fly over the head of half of players because they are outright boomer references and they wouldn't even realize it was one without the wiki page.
>>730809389The NCR was mentioned in a Shady Sands ending slide in F1.
>>730808051the classic fallout fans hate 3 for being a fps game. I don't know what strain of autist cares about the realism of megaton
>>730809697Most classic Fallout fans on NMA and RPGCodex and the like absolutely loved New Vegas though. The lore rape and extreme lack of effort Bethesda puts into worldbuilding is what people truly had a problem with.
>>730808807its so funny how anytime bethesda opens their mouths with regards to fallout it makes them come across like people with brain damage
>>730808051In fallout 2 its either cool as fuck or funny. There isnt a geniunely cool thing about bethfallout outside the gauss rifle (cooler in 2) and liberty prime (beaten like a dead horse)
>>730809824that isn't true. some people maybe like it for lore reasons but most people really don't like the combat being fallout 3 again instead of an actual RPG
>>730809949Kek that fucking quote from Pete Hines at the end. He's really glazing Naughty Dog and fucking Uncharted for their writing while admitting that Bethesda's own writers can't write well enough to keep players interested, as custodians of a franchise that is known for having great writing in at least the first entry. "I never skip any of their dialogue!" These are who Bethesjeets are so obsessed with defending on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.
>>730809697The classic fallout senpaitachi hate fallout 3 for being a corporate product that tried to turn the series into something with "mass appeal". It succeeded, sadly.
>>730810178NTA, but that's a good thing. Classic Fallout's dice roll turn based combat is dreadful.
>>730808976>We're not trying to make a game for everyonebasedHowever, most of the time fans think a sequel "isn't X" isn't because it isn't. Completely changing/ruining a series is much more common these days thoughThe real Fallout 3 would have been better than the Betheshit we got
>>730808051new vegas happened
>>730810441>Classic Fallout's dice roll turn based combat is dreadful.Why?
>>730810441you probably don't like rpgs then, so you play the 3d fallout games instead
>>730810553Because he's a low iq, low attention span zoomer with zero imagination.
>>730810547>I haven't played the game(s), let me tell you about the game(s) from the wiki article I skimmedWho knew, the 'dex is just like /v/ after all.
>>730810553Dice rolls are always terrible in vidya. Keep that shit in tabletop games where it belongs.Turn based combat is a slog with more than 3 enemies on the screen, and that's often the case in Classic Fallout.>>730810652RPGs where you're at the mercy of RNJesus? Yeah, those suck.>>730810729>you critically miss and drop your weaponMy IQ is clearly too low to understand how fun this is, it seems.
>>730810553NTA, there's very little actually tactical to it. It's you and maybe a companion against what's often a crowd of enemies, each turn you pick someone to shoot between the eyes and maybe heal if you need to, if you're lucky you might be by a corner which you can corner-peek around, but that's about it. If you're running explosives maybe you can throw some dynamite when they're crowded together, and that's your one other option.That's not even mentioning the common CRPG issue of obnoxiously low accuracy early game, or how the poor balancing really limits what sort of combat "builds" you can make (good luck doing melee, good luck doing small guns with anything other than the .223, etc.)Compare to something like Baldur's Gate which has way, way more tactical options. (Although in fairness Fallout 1 isn't as combat-centric.)
>>730811448Cool, when will you actually play classic fallout instead of letting other people tell you what to think?
>>730811516So you hate RPG's? Good, stick to your looter shooters shitskin. White people are talking.
>you didn't play the game!!!keep coping m'redditoryou fucking fail
>>730808289Imagine believing words out of Todd Howard's mouth.
>>730810547what forum is this (I know what NMA is)
>>730811516>RPGs where you're at the mercy of RNJesus?this applies to a handful of encounters in 2, but the majority of 1 and 2 are very fair in terms of the player influencing outcomes
>>730811724I don't see how the fact your big brother played Fallout 2 changes anything.But feel free to prove me wrong. How did you get rid of the shotgun wedding wife? If you didn't, how would you "divorce" her? You do know about that, yes?
>>730811873RPG Codex
>>730811516It is. You're fucking retarded. You don't understand the game mechanics and blame the game for it. I played through fallout 1 again this month and didn't drop my gun once? Wanna guess why? Because I knew how to invest my stats because I've played a lot of it. Why the fuck are you shooting rats in the cave at the start?
>>7308105531/2's combat becomes fun once you push your weapon skill over 100% and your hit chance is 95% most of the time You can easily hit 100% within the first couple levels.
This jeet makes daily threads seething at New Vegas and F2 while praising Bethesda slop
Notice how the pajeets fall silent when I mention the shotgun wedding. Probably because they're trying to find that moment in the list of easter eggs and references + the game's wikipedia summary.
>>730808051This would have been fine if Bethesda chose to erase Fallout 2 from canon.They didn't.Horrigan with perfect SPECIAL is canon.The Enclave is actually filled with people with incredibly good SPECIAL. They are canonically the ubermensch and their women are better than their men. No joke.
>>730809675No, Fallout 1 doesn't mention the NCR. You're thinking of Tandi taking over Shady Sands which ends up creating the NCR in Fallout 2. Without Fallout 2 there would be no NCR history to write for in NV.
>>730812821Actually I was wrong. Fallout 1 does mention NCR but it's full name. Still you need Fallout 2 to happen for what's written in NV.
>50s style gang mobsters and kung fu fightersNV has Elvis Presly LARPers and Romaboos, why are we pretending those aren't silly concepts?
>>730812498They never played the game so they don't understand the kino of possibly removing your wife's brain.
what's wrong with mobsters and casinos in Fallout? Fallout 1 had Gizmo and his casino in Junktown.the boxing arena in reno is also cool, it gives stuff for you to do in unarmed playthroughts and gives you a special karma trait and nickname.i also do not get the wanamingo hate, Centaurs and Floaters also feel like something that you would see in The Thing(1982) and not in 50s sci-fi b-movie.san francisco is totally retarded though, i will give you that, is a great concept with horrenduos execution.
>>730812934Is it cool? Then who fucking cares, Fallout 2 and to an extent NV are cool. There's depth to them, compare reno to the fucking triggermen in 4. The triggermen are not fucking cool because theres nothing to them.
>>730812237>Wanna guess why? Because I knew how to invest my stats because I've played a lot of it.Honestly this is really my biggest issue with Fallout 1. For being an RPG, there's like one "objectively correct" build and playstyle (high AGI+STR+INT (especially AGI), laser weapons, speech, get the power armor from the brotherhood, etc.), and the more you deviate from it it's more like handicapping yourself rather than exploring alternate approaches. There's a fair few landmines in build creation and a new player can absolutely fuck themselves if they hit one or two.
i don't get why people are so bothered by The Legion's football armor, they just look like Mad Max characters, one the biggest inspirations for Fallout.
>>730813131I've been the game with unarmed, big guns and throwing, all individual playthroughs. Yes, you are going to be worse than turbo plasma'ing everything, but it's playable. Fallout 2, like with about everything else, fixes this by giving other playstyles more options.
>>730813131I'm not gonna disagree that there's a lot of bait skills in F1 and F2, but F1 is also a really short game so I wouldn't say you lose THAT much to learn as you play and sometimes have to restart.
>>730808807I hate both of these statements
>>730808738kill yourself slop shill
>>730808674>What is "Rick and Morty" about playing as a female character so weak she gets overpowered and raped by a junkie kid?You literally just described edgy Roiland toons that served as the catalyst for Rick and Morty, dumb retard
>>730813265if anything, it actually kind of surprises me how well they managed to blend both the roman and wasteland aesthetics.
>>730808051when they never realized that all factions are cunt and are better off dead
>>730812934they aren't treated as a joke in game.while the mobsters are also played straight in Fallout 2, the same couldn't be said about the shi fighters.
>>730814008(Me)like, i feel like this is what people don't get, in the games EVEN the bethesda games, most of the concepts that you see in-game are played straight and do not have some self referential MCU-tier dialogue lampshading how silly these concepts actually are, even fucking Little Lamplight in 3 is treated with some seriousness, it's sincere.in the TV show everything is played for laughs, everyone is retarded, NO ONE behaves like a fucking human being, it's tiresome.
>>730808051>People hate New Reno for having gangsters in it >People are fine with Fallout 1 having a post apocalyptic shanty town having an underground thieves guild led by Robin Hood
Are there even any other old school fedora-and-tommy-gun mobsters in Fallout 2 besides the guys in front of the New Reno casinos? Every other "mobster" I can remember is wearing leather or metal armor like any other wastelander
>>730814695random encounters where they are also fighting yakuza, but they are inconsequential.
>>730808051Fuck you, Todd
nice
>>730808758>>730808749>>730808701its garbage.cope
even if reno was serious and well written, the giant mobster sprite is so goofy looking and out of place
>>730814973What the fuck is that logo?
>>730813404>>730814973How did you "divorce" the shotgun wedding wife?
>>730815063Its fucking cool and its good character design because it shows you visually that they're supposed to be scarier and stronger than the average wastelander, you're low iq.
>>730815106never triggered the event. but you here's gay sex with a mutant instead.
>>730814283I'd say it's inconsistent, Hubologists and The Think Tank exemplify this. The player can choose dialogue that either plays along, mocks, or ignores the situation. If I'm being generous this can be used for black comedy, but personally it feels more like tonal whiplash.
>>730815106Can't you just let her get in the line of fire?
>>730815280I think the little dwarf overall npcs are weird too
>>730815063Classic fallout characters are meant to look like something out of a comic book, you just don't get much chance to see it.
>>730815434forgot the pic
>>730815664
>>730815280they look like oversized cartoon characters with really polished suits and higher frames of animation. everybody else is raggedy and grubby looking including the mob bosses.
>>730815565I love killing those lil fellas.
>>730815453OWB is its own separate experience from the main game, in a series of somewhat experimental DLCs, i give it a pass becuase is not like is a mandatory part of the game that you need to experience.the entirety of San Francisco sucks though, i don't get what they were thinking when desiging that town.
>>730815947So are Deathclaws and power armor, and super mutants and wanamingos,whats your point? Thats how they use visual cues to signal danger. It's been a thing since Fallout 1.
>>730814649That Robin Hood character is the single silliest bit in Fallout 1, and he's not in your face nor are you forced to deal with him. Vs entire cities being unfunny jokes.
miles better then fallout tv showhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ds_h_mCWM
>>730816273The TV show exisrs because Oblivion with Guns exists. Their fate is a tied with a solid knot of shit. One cannot exist without the other.
New Reno gets a pass for its mobsters because the city is full of ludo quests and gameplay. Bethesda could never make a location as engaging.
This Nigger suffers from Cancer that couldn't be cured but guess what - Eating Shit is what makes the Nigger stand out and when a cancer Tumor grows in my Pisswound, then I canceider this a Pussy Miracle.
>>730816108>Thats how they use visual cues to signal dangerthey forgot to make them dangerous i guess
>>730816518its mostly boring fetch quests, kill x, or talk to y than xThere are almost no dungeons, puzzles, or anything significant to explore
>>730808051I like the concept of a town built around an unexploded nuke, Bethesda just didn't do the legwork of making a satisfactory reason as to why the town exists. Reasons that you have to be told (eg. dust storms that don't exist anymore and no one else mentions) are going to be less satisfying than reasons that you can see or experience or are otherwise integrated into the town's design.
Failout or fagout was never good.1 and 2 was reddit midwit who is obsessed with mundane shit like walkable cities3 and onwards is Ronaldo fan tier aka actual hylic brown biomass.
>>730816839Why wouldn't they be using it for power somehow, anything other than "we builtd around the bomb because its a heckin ironic centerpiece"
>>730808289>I prefer the gritty gothic atmosphere kino>anyway here's a vampire city, here's a republic of 7 people, here's a town build around a bomb!!!
>>730808160it's a shame because fallout 2 has a decent skeleton underneath. the den, vault city, gecko, the mining town and ncr are all good locations but then rest are stapled on hot dogshit.
>>730808051Fallout 1 and 2 are the only good games in the franchise.I think i played Fallout 2 a hundred times, i remember my first playthrough as a 1 INT retard and laugh my fucking ass off. THEY ACTUALLY WROTE THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME DIALOGUE - FROM START TO FINISH - AS A RETARD.And its absolutely fantastic.
You want to nuke New Reno because of mobsters and casinoss and lore or something. I want to nuke New Reno because it's full of scum, criminals, and degenerates. We are not the same.
>>730819720I want to keep New Reno as is, because if they're good enough for the Enclave they're good enough for me.San Fran needs 2 nukes tho, one for the chinks and an other for the Hubs.
>>730808051And yet Fallout 2 still manages to retain a serious story with great characters and roleplaying elements, whereas Bethesda Fallout is just a theme park version of Fallout full of set pieces and stock characters. Little Lamplight, for instance, is far more retarded than any cultural reference in Fallout 2.
>>730808051>a town built around a nuclear bomb? that's too ridiculous and sillyNobody said this shit retard, stop making people up to get mad at.
fallout was never goodit was always slop
>>730820205>And yet Fallout 2 still manages to retain a serious story with great charactersThe main villains are clowns who are most famous for their funny voice acting moments
>>730820205>Little Lamplight, for instance, is far more retarded than any cultural reference in Fallout 2.Only because Bethesda doesn't allow the player to solve that with combat. It would be otherwise a situation identical to San Francisco.>forced to interact with it to progress the main quest>exists merely to pad playtime hours, without the main quest it would serve no purpose and yet the main quest would lose nothing if the location was removed>silly concept of a town, feels like a ride in the themepark>annoying NPCs you have to interact with
>>730820369So what you poo eating indian? They're funny? The fucking enclave in 3 and everything about 4 is nonsensical and silly, but the drill Sargent and grunt trooper make everything else stupid because thats all beth tards know?
>>730814973>Not GOGngmi
>>730815664>>730815772Tim Cain wrote that part
>>730821323>Tim Cain>writinglol>for fallout 2lmao
>>730820369>t. hasn't met frank horrigan
>>730814973Fair, you've played it. You're still wrong about it, of course, but you've played it.
>>730808051>whole franchise built on premise that people will always be at war>make games with scale about saving the entire country>dont bother explaining WHY your actions dont change anything>"war never changes"Both Interplay and Bethesda are hacks for trying to push a narrative but not seeing it through because of sequels
people that have never played fallout 2 think it's a comedy from start to finish
>>730823240it's /v/ of course nobody here plays video games
I love going from the junkertowns and messy settlements of Fallout 1 to having places like the NCR and Vault City dotted on the map in 2. That aspect of having these burgeoning societies that range from ones as primitive as the tribals that you start out with in Fallout 2 to ones as advanced as Vault City is still one of my favorite things about the series and it's still why Fallout 2 is one of my favorites.
>>730823240it pretty much is, and that's why i like it. very inspired by silly stuff like hitchhikers guide and old infocom/sierra/magnetic scrolls games
>>730821416it was a joke about him being a fagin all seriousness I think Tim Cain did write the general main plot outline with the geck being the macguffin and how arroyo was settled by the vault 13 people who left with the dweller, notably he also wrote the whole vaults being experiments thing, which people try to shit on Fallout 2 for introducing because it's "not true to Fallout 1", but the lead director of Fallout 1 fucking wrote it, I think he also worked on the Den and the cut Abbey location which is in the restoration project
>>730810553>>730810729>misses
>organized crime existing in post-apocalyptic ruins is unrealistic
>>730825365I don't think people understand how the actual Italian crime presence in North America came to be. They would scoff at the idea of a bunch of scumbags finding old suits or holotapes and emulating whatever was on them like bad cosplay. Well guess what? The Italian mob in North America didn't look like the Godfather until the Godfather actually fucking came out. The Godfather had the benefit of looking to the actual Cosa Nostra for inspiration (a lot of the motifs did indeed exist in Italy, not necessary among the mafia specifically) but Italian criminals on America looked no different from any of their rivals. They were just thugs in shitty clothes. Only after the boom of mafia movies did Italian-American organized crime begin emulating that stuff due to the simple fact it was cool and it strengthened their image as this unshakeable element of American society. The scum ruining New Reno would do the exact same thing because that is what happened in real life basically.
People who criticize New Reno never played Fallout 2. It's the best location in the whole game.
fucking spirits. make up your mind
>>730826147Are you actually playing as Chitsa with her build or did you just use her name for femchosen?
>>730826000its mid but its pretty disappointing it has the most personality out of all the locations. wow a godfather homage, how originalbut the game contains some pretty stupid shit far more than i remember. like the tribal mysticism aspect and the dead coming back to life.
>>730808160Even better, FO2 devs realise it had a lot of things which didn't fit. They learned not to have teams work too deeply in isolation, is one of their admitted lessons from FO2's mistakes. And yet bethesdrones still act like it's a win against them, as they defend a company that can't grow or learn at all
>>730826460>it's a godfather homage because there are crime families
>>730824672>vaults being experiments thinghis version of this was much more subdued. it was akin to vaults being moon base test sites because vault tec was ultimately gonna fly people off earth and settle in moon. thats the reason for vault jumpsuits too which originally were like tight fit space suits.the whole "vaults are evil torture chamber human experiments" angle came after.
>>730826404Just wanted to play as a girl so I picked Chitsa and changed the stats. Kept the name cause I suck at coming up with new ones.
>>730824672Vault being experiments in preparation for space colonization/travel is quite different from "gaaaary! xDDD" level nonsense, so I can understand if people hear "vault experiments" and they react by calling them out as not fitting Fallout because all they can think of is Fallout 3 idiotic ideas.Tim Cain's version would've materialized in Van Buren, but didn't really exist in Fallout 1 nor 2.
Reminder Fallout 2 is the one where you can play as a jeet
>>730826905Only with unofficial mods. Chosen One is a white chad or stacy.
>>730826543most of it is surface level pop culture stuff. so ill assume thats a correct one too.
>>730826971>saars love Fallout 2 and mod themselves into the game>Fallout 3 was unreleased in India until 3 years ago
>>730827094Saars did no such thing. The Fallout modding community is just obsessed with the je ne sais quoi of new player models/recolors and changing the Long Hair Dude to a brown skinned Long Hair Dude was probably the easiest recolor of all.
>>730826905wasteland 1 allows you to play as an indian
>You can't put pop culture references in my Mad Max/WH40K clone because...>You just can't! Okay?
>>730824672To be fair, I shit on it because it's stupid. I have no delusions about who wrote it or the "purity" of the setting. Same as with the soft retcon regarding radiation/FEV/mutants. The original writers decided they liked the dumber idea, oh well.
>>730826762I hope you're using the most optimised female character build.
>>730827573Sex Appeal is kinda shit, tho, assuming high CHA (why wouldn't you) it will have no positive contribution.
>>730825365those are the same kind of retards who think that pirates somehow do not fit the theme of a port city on an island of khorinis in gothic 2
>>730827789what a specific reference
>>730825365But what do they eat?
>>730827731It's good at getting your sexual prowess modifier up early in the game for sex related formulas before you've become a porn star, got kama sutra master or had enough sex to get sexpert or gigolo.
>fallout is le hecking realist-ACKhttps://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Psyker
>>730827959pussy>>730828007*throws a sci-fi fireball at you*
>If Deputy Kenny in the Hub dies in battle, the player character will exclaim "They killed Kenny! Those Bastards!" (Alternatively, if the player kills Deputy Kenny, the message "You killed Kenny! You bastard!" will appear in the message box). This is a reference to the running joke of Kenny dying in numerous episodes of the popular TV series, South Park.[10]oh my science the lore must be protected
>>730827997I don't believe it's needed.I can't take your slut-minmax seriously if you don't properly set the min needed in order to take advantage of max potential. I stand on my opinion that for a slut build Sex Appeal is a waste and potentially counter productive.I would've been ok with it if it was just an RP choice instead of "optimization", tho.
>>730828187that's a good easter egg, out of the way.if it were 2 kenny would be a mute NPC and someone is getting called a bastard in dialogue for killing him
>>730808051OG Fallout silliness was fun. Bethesda silliness is just stupid.
>>730828371You caught me, it's an unoptimized element of the slut build that is there for flavor.
>>730828007Who are you quoting?
>>730813131FO1 always felt more like a tech demo to me than a fully completed game. There's only a handful of quests compared to later titles, most of the skills and perks barely do anything at all (IIRC there's a grand total of 2 Science checks in the entire game), and if you know what you're doing then 100% completion takes like 4 hours tops.
>>730823142You save the entire world in 1 and 2. The stakes are considerably smaller in 3, NV and 4. I never thought about it before, but thats why they don't feel as mythic to me. Failure in 1 or 2 means humanity is totally fucked. 1 because intelligent life will go extinct due to the super mutant sterility or worse, breeding camps to maintain mutant population. In 2 you stop an ancient evil from killing all life on earth. In 3 you solve a water problem that you're only told and shown being a problem for like 3 or 4 npcs. In 4 nothing matters and nothing was thought out. NV is a large scale issue, but no matter what mankind will survive.
>>730828606You don't even have to invent an example. There's an existing south park reference in dialogue during a quest
Interplay: serious, slightly weird world played straightBethesda: retarded world played retardedFlanderization etc
>>730808051New Reno is great. Megaton is shit. Simple as.
>>730808051Funny how all the criticism boils down to autistic nitpicking.
>>730811516CRPGs would not exist without TRPGs. And dice rolls resulting in combat misses/critical failures are a classic RPG mechanic designed to emulate the real life concept of SHIT GOING WRONG in combat, which actually increases immersion and heightens roleplay. This might be hard for zoomer minds to comprehend, given their early exposure to purely point-click-hit bing bing wahoo gameplay from COD-style shooters and pseudo-RPGs like Fallout 3 and later.
>>7308290203 I suppose, although having a guaranteed source for clean water should be a big deal when all open water is radiated, where do they get clean water from anyways?
>>730829882>when all open water is radiatedThat's not how open water works though, it's a natural filter.
>>730808051Fallout 1: The world is still in shambles, but people have managed to build shacks and some kind of civilization.Fallout 2: The world has managed to rebuild in some regions with laws and safe towns, trade has been established between settlements. NCR is basically a town with new buildings, so is Vault City.The remnants of the US government are still in the world(The Enclave) and try to get back controlFallout New Vegas: An entire city has been built around the untouched New Vegas with a military and working power and infrastructure. Trade and agriculture is booming. The world is still chaotic, more akin to the wild west.Fallout 3: LOL SO RANDUMB! PEOPLE LIVE IN NUCLEAR RUINS, IRRADIATED SHACKS AND NEAR A NUCLEAR BOMB(SO RANDUM!) DESPITE IT TAKING PLACE 30 YEARS AFTER FALLOUT 2SKELETONS AND EXPLODING CARS!Fallout 4: Despite taking place only 4 years after NV, people are still living in run down diners with 6 perfectly preserved skeletons next to where they sleepBethesda's perversion of the world of Fallout into a "LOL ITS A PARODY OF THE 50S SO RANDOM" and "CAPITALISM BAD!" has ruined the entire franchise. Todd took something good and destroyed it. He HATES that New Vegas managed to be closer to the old games.
>>730830392>trade has been established between settlementsThis is Fallout 1 as well.
>>730829145there are two references there, that rat is named after Brain from Animaniacs.
>>730828371That one czech mod actually checks for Sex Appeal and not just using the modifier.
I have a theory for the show that shady sands is the only town in the ncr because they went off of Fallout 2 only showing Shady Sands so the people behind the show and Todd thought it never expanded, but if you talk to an NPC there he states that the NCR by the time of Fallout 2 encompassed everything south of it. Meaning that everywhere in Fallout 1 is NCR land.
>>730831045Huh really, where does that check happen?
>>730808051Well think about it. Gaming was even doing this stuff all the way back in the 90's. And yet you guys often complain as if gaming being shit is this brand new thing as if it hasn't been happening really since the beginning. You live on a planet full of normies that find cringe worthy stupid humor to be hilarious. Deal with it pretty much.
>>730831095I mean yeah, they see that Shady Sands is called "NCR" in 2 and assume it starts and ends there without looking into it further. It's a symptom of Emil being loremaster and the show's lore liaison at Bethesda with an aversion to design documents and lore documentation. 2 and New Vegas both state in no uncertain terms that the NCR is a lot bigger than just the capital city. By the time of New Vegas it reaches into Baja California all the way up to Arroyo. The Chosen One probably got his city some extremely favourable political positions and clout in the NCR.
>>730808289>believing Todd HowardRetard
>>730831717That quote is literally just him trying to gaslight the cynical NMAfags who were apprehensive about Bethesda making Fallout 3 at the time. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.
>>730831124Not in Fallout 2 worldspace.
>>730808051>When did you realize Fallout fags were retarded?As soon as 3 came out and everyone was arguing about farming and how there isn't enough food to sustain the number of npcs in the game world. Fallout fans take the games way too seriously for what they are; ridiculous and satirical.
>>730831941Is it that pedo merchant that keeps a young kid in cell?
>>730830392You retards haven't even played FO1 and 2 if you think they're these super serious post-apocalyptic sims like you describe. The tone of your descriptions is laughable.
Why do Bethesjeets do the leftist thing where they purposefully misunderstand the point and then argue with the strawman they've built instead? The difference between 1/2/NV and 3/4/76/TV is verisimilitude. The measure by which a fictional universe is believable and follows the rules of the setting, and the science and lore within that setting. Granted, Fallout 2 gets this wrong when it comes to a bunch of minor shit scattered throughout the game, such as Brain and his cheezy poofs, or the spore plant from little shop of horrors, etc. But it nails it where it counts, like intertwined economies, regional political struggle, inter-faction politics, food and water supply, using vice to influence politics, nuclear power, gold and uranium mining that supplies the NCR with gold to mint currency and Gecko with uranium to power their plant, etc.Meanwhile not a single Bethjeet can answer what Megaton eats. There's like 1 planted crop for every 100 people in the capital wasteland.
