>thirty (30) days until my sexy cousin returns
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My cousin with A DEAD FUCKING BOYFRIEND. WHERE'S MY PURE WAIFU HUH?
>>730808167Imagine making a game, then lacking funding for that game, and then the game you make to get funding for the game you were originally making and needed funding for was not only better, but received better, than the game you're trying to get funding to make by making that game.
>>730810186And then you get the money you need and get to release TWO well received western visual novels. I don't really see the problem?
>>730810645>TWO well received western visual novelsSlay the Princess and..?
>>730810693A lot of people enjoy Scaerlet Hollow. The amount of branching to the story is really incredible. I like Slay the Princess more because it's a tighter yet also more fantastical experience, but I'd struggle to find a better Western VN released recently.
>>730810789>A lot of people enjoy Scaerlet HollowProof?
>>730810850???
>>730810918If you put 3000 people in a room, that's a lot.If you point out 3000 people among millions, it's not.
>>730810956Well, Slay the Princess has 27K reviews. So 1/9 people who played Slay the Princess tried Scarlet Hollow, and the vast majority of those people enjoyed it. I don't think that's bad for an episodic VN that isn't even fully out yet.
>>730811157>Well, Slay the Princess has 27K reviews. So 1/9 people who played Slay the Princess tried Scarlet HollowThat's wrong. You're assuming that StP was a gateway to Scarlet Hollow, and that there isn't a partial overlap the other way around, excepting some persons who played one and not the other in both directions.
>>7308109563k reviews is pretty good indie stuff frankly. Not a lot of people actually review games so it only represents a fraction
>>730810789Scarlet Hollow stands tall for me as a VN because the amount of differences between certain character traits and options you choose actually make it feel like a game and not just a book on rails with the occasional branch every four hours.The only downside is that Tabitha, maybe Wayne, and the possum living in my sock drawer are the only characters I really loved and wanted to see more of at the end of the day.
>>730811282I think the devs have acknowledged that most of the attention that Scarlet Hollow has gotten was mainly from the spillover of people who liked Slay the Princess and decided to see what other games they've done
>>730811441Proof?
>>730811282It's just an approximation to roughly say, "a good number of people are playing Scarlet Hollow, and most of the people who are playing it enjoyed it"
>>730811464Man twitter's search function for digging up old posts sucks ass. But I found this
>>730811723Alright, then how many of those reviews come AFTER the release of Slay the Princess? If it is greater than 50%, then your point is correct.It also, however, does not discount that Slay the Princess is actually a good VN and Scarlet Hollow is not, especially with the "new decisions" being made.
>>730811464Slay the Princess’s launch day was also Scarlet Hollow’s best sales day.
>>730811906What’s bad about Scarlet Hollow as a VN? I think all the branching choices and trait system are great.
>>730812003>lots of stuff is goodNot if it's all bad.>trait system [is] greatSure, but it only serves as a means to gate bad branches from a mediocre trunk.
>>730811906I'm confused, you don't like the game but you're arguing that most people who played it didn't actually do so after playing the more popular game that you actually did like?
>>730812272I'm arguing that it's funny that their throwaway make-ends-meet project is superior to their core project.
>>730808167I do not like that they are telling me how I feel about her.What-if I genuinely dislike her?
>>730808167You know when there's a game that presents an option of saving one person versus saving an entire town or something, I usually give players shit if they decide to save the one person. But I'd totally let the town burn if it meant escaping the family curse and saving my cousin, and I think that's funny.
>>730808167Wait, is that your avatar dude that's some sort of heavy metal guy or the said female cousin
>>730812368Lots of good art is born from working within certain limitations. And Slay the Princess is born from the dev's experience of wanting to tell a tight story with the same style of multiple wacky branching choices, but without Scarlet Hollow's exponentially increasing workload of trying to account for the longer-term impact of said choices.
>>730811282>You're assuming that StP was a gateway to Scarlet HollowIt was for me and most my friends, I would have never looked at Scarlet Hollow if it wasn't for Slay the Princess.>>730812003Aesthetically it looks hideous in some shots and the cast was very questionable in appearance to where one would be concerned about what rhetoric would be spewed all game, if you were told in 2021 this game would tell you to check your privilege or their was some dialog spill about how pro LGBTQ+ this backwater town was you wouldn't be surprised.
>>730812439You can be worst enemies with her if you like. It's just a running joke that she's easily the most popular character among fans.
>>730812732So you're saying that Scarlet Hollow is bad because it's too complicated for the dev to keep up with? Okay, I'm glad we agree.
>>730812898yeah but most of the fans are porn-addicted trannies so i don't see how that's a good thing thobeit
>>730812917You're free to dislike the game anon. You don't need my approval.
>>730812732Slay the Princess is born from the dev's needing money for the bigger project. The only reason we got pristine cut was how well it sold and the cross promotion they pushed, they sold it in a bundle that was cheaper than getting the new StP cut alone.
>>730808167>>730811308>>730812528>>730812781>>730812898>this is supposed to be a womanHoly kek, what a joke. Goyslop.
>>730808167i seen a guy draw her really fucking fat once
>>730812732>>730813092That has to be a weird feeling, the throwaway game did better than there main event. In some ways it's impressive they are still going with it.
>>730813092Art can be born from both the desire to tell a story and the need to be able to eat food
>>730808167okay so can you actually fuck her or what
>>730812174What’s wrong with the story then?
>>730813185The throwaway game succeeded because it:>told a story that's at least partly interesting and did it well and tightly>had an actually attractive interest>had writing that could actually be clever>was complex not for the sake of being complex, but for the sake of its storyAs opposed to its main project which is just a cautionary tale of how devs need good publishers because otherwise they'll engage in the kind of masturbatory whiff-whaff that Scarlet Holllow is.
>>730813140Yes.
>>730813278What's bad about the mega-woke craptastic "episodic" trash as opposed to the only slightly woke story with its roots deep in Eastern philosophy which, while trash, is at least more respectable trash than postmodern BS?
>>730813276No, but you can fuck almost everyone else.
Scarlett Hollow will NEVER be worth JACKSHIT until you can date the cousin.
>>730813436i came here for cousincest with dysgenic blonde womani shall now leave
>>730813140Ever been outside?
>>730813296>As opposed to its main project which is just a cautionary tale of how devs need good publishers because otherwise they'll engage in the kind of masturbatory whiff-whaff That's nearly all creative types sadly.
>>730813383What’s mega-woke about it? It’s a horror story about a cursed town.
>>730813345Isn't that the account that is only active when the game is being advertised?
>>730813524>what's mega-woke about the story that's about pronouns and incestbaiting?
>>730813565Yeah, the devs are astroturfing cousincest, but they're also too woke and will never include it.
>>730813436>she/her>look this up>they do the pronoun bullshit and even have the special snowflake shit with it. Yeah I have no idea why this game is so poorly received when compared to their hetero normative game about relationships.
>>730813475If you want to have sex with a guy you can just masturbate and you obviously want to have sex with a guy if you want to have sex with the cousin since she looks like a guy.
>>730813296Slay the Princess is much easier to market because like the devs have admitted >>730811723 Scarlet Hollow doesn't have the same style of premise that immediately catches your eye. Hell four episodes in and I wouldn't say there's a clear central goal or antagonist beyond investigating and surviving the many oddities of a cursed town.Slay the Princess is already intriguing in the title alone. Why are we slaying the princess? Are we the villain? Is she? Is she even human? etc. Plus there's full voice-acting, it's not in Early Access, and there's a cute girl on the cover-art.
>>730813524Yeah some north east State backwater town that's more progressive and diverse than Santa Fe CA. They poison their project doing these DEI designs and wording. StP would have suffered just as bad if they did the same and had the princess types give their pronouns with each encounter.
>>730813725she's just ugly, dude.
>>730813851>StP would have suffered just as bad if they did the same and had the princess types give their pronouns with each encounter.But they'd all be "She/Her".
>>730813827>Scarlet Hollow doesn't have the same style of premise that immediately catches your eye.OH it does alright. the /v/ threads proved as much.The pic in >>730812781 was fucking everywhere, the fact that it didn't increase sales tells you where they fucked up. I would bet my life that if they dialed down the designs to look more like a run down town in the Appalachia it would have equal out out right beat StP sales.
>>730813913The creators stated a few identify as They/them. Could be just them joking around wit Stranger and Shifting mound but I'm pretty the artists said she feels Adversary would identity as a he/him.
>>730813436>A little pushy, but sometimes you need a pushKind of funny they went back to episode one for a big update that gives you the option to tell her to leave you alone when she tries to recruit you to run off into the woods
>>730814048Well, that's retarded and doesn't change my point that the Princess is always she/her.
>>730814124>Well, that's retardedYes and that's why Scarlet Hollow is struggling so much.
>>730814048If they wanted to make that point than the omniscient narrator would have stopped referring to her as her.
>>730812003>trait systemMakes me wish more vns had the ability to make character builds and fuck around with fun trait combos.
>>730814416since it's a renpy game, I just use the cheats to get everything.
>>730814416W A O W WHAT A TRAIT YOU CAN BE PSYCHIC HOT OR SCHIZO WAOW!
>>730814361Read up on the making of StP
>>730814416If a game has a Malkavian route I choose it
>>730814491>not taking Mystical and Talk to Animals for the true schizo experience
>character descriptions are faggy as hell and sound like a discord kid wrote them first draft and it was enough>"women" look more like twinks but apparently they're "super hot">shills act in a faggy, feminine manner>they are also twitter faggots and don't bother hiding itYeah, that's enough. Go back. But first, here's how an actual hot cousin looks like.
>>730814491>>730814624That's actually what works against it is people meta play and want to meta play. I say only 2% of any game community actually want to try all the builds/route/etc while the 98% just want the best/correct choices and they get pissy if the game avoids that. It's fucked up but that is how consumers are.
>>730814641I preferred her beleaguered assistant but both characters were pretty paper thin after the Drakenhold chapter.
>>730814641Sword too big >:(
>>730814747Plenty of popular games have choices that aren't labeled as fully right or wrong. If there's a branching relationship or morality system then by design you can't always please everyone.
>>730810186>MUH STORIES Got news for you, Champaroo...>Video games are not art >Video games are not books>Video games are not movies If you want those things, go to a museum, read a book, go to the theater or turn on the TV.If you want VIDEO GAMES, get a PS5 and PS Plus account.
>>730815012We are not talking about morality choices. Read over the chain again.
>>730815098Who enters a VN thread to bitch about games not having real stories?
>>730815098>Got news for you, Champaroo...>>Video games aregames that are played on some kind of electronic medium.
>>730815162The traits link into different morality options and let you bypass certain consequences. The point is that you can't always win in every scenario.
>>730813436>nogaaaaaaaaaaaay
>>730808167>No incest route >In a game inspired by Lovecraft Guess Dunwhich Horror wasn't PC enough to be an inspiration
LOCAL TOWN HERO IS FUCKING INVINCIBLE>Ditchlings: 0>Tammyknockers: 0>Ghosts: 0>Werewolves: 0>Miners: 1
>>730816363That art is so bad.
>>730816424Except it's shit
>>730816504It's not the 80s or 90s anymore, dad. Bad doesn't mean good.
>>730816598I don't have my readin glasses I thought he said based.
>>730815448But that's not the core of the point. The core is when you do multiple gameplay choices based on starting stats people get too much into the "correct" meta game and won't engage with it like the devs wanted. In a story heavy game like this it just means a lot of content is ignored to take the "best" traits.
>>730816363What is going on with this perspective? For a moment I thought the guy with the gun was floating.
>>730812781>>730813978>I would have never looked at Scarlet Hollow if it wasn't for Slay the Princess.Pretty much, I have played and enjoyed SH and feel similarly to >>730811308 but would never have picked it up without playing StP because of how ugly most characters in SH are. Reese in particular, although I'm not sure if that's meant to be deliberate.
>>730817330There is no, "best" trait. Do you want to be able to talk to animals or pick locks? Do you want to have weird psychic premonitions or be able to flirt better? This isn't an online shooter where you're expected to pick the best loadout to last in competitive mode.
>>730817706I do wonder whether they'll let you do a Golden route with all traits as a reward for completing Hard mode once all the episodes are out.
Too many retards here comparing StP to SH, not enough retards here complaining about being unable to romance our cute autistic cousin in-game.
>>730817831There's a mode that lets you do three, with the drawback of not being able to actually bypass the consequences of major choices. They might throw in an option with more for some New Game Plus gag, but I think ideally they just want you to focus in on a few traits and how that specifically helps define and characterize your protagonist for that playthrough.
>>730818040>cute
>>730818040Tabitha romance will be confirmed when they need the numbers boost.
>>730818040I'd romance her immediately if she wasn't your cousin, but a part of me actually likes the novelty of the story being more familial in nature. Outside of a few sad dad games and maybe the less janky parts of Dragon Age 2, I can't think of any other game that really emphasizes a family-based dynamic like Tabitha's and actually made me care.
>>730813436you CANT?! shadleave.
>>730818295I want her to be with Stella but I also want them both to have my children, those are not contradictory objectives, it would be the ideal happy ending for everyone.
>>730819164You joke but I'm pretty sure that exclusively hanging out with Tabitha has put me on her wingman route
>>730808167>people ask about an incest route so often they have to add a rule banning it Is this a good sign or a bad sign?
I'm not like those always complaining about how the cast of the game looks, but I will complain about there being multiple monster dudes you can romance but not any monster girls.
>>730819415Pretty bad that they totally underestimated both the appeal of that character and the depravity of their audience. At least they corrected it in STP by making the Princess both the only love interest and literally a part of (You)
>>730820521So what does she pull out of her throat? Napkins? And why did she do that fruity hand-flip before that anyway?
>>730820819She pulls out a key for you.>why did she do that fruity hand-flip before that For giggles
>Hot>Powerful BuildWow, everyone in this town is so friendly.
>>730819415>Rural Appalachia>Banned cousin incestImmersion ruined
>>730821020>She pulls out a key for you.If this is how I need to get in and out of my house then I think we need to split up, because that's just too much drama for simple accessibility.>For gigglesOh, so quirky! I bet it'll be infinitely entertaining and not get old the third time she goes, "Hey, wanna see me morph my features into my weird rotted goo-face? Ooga... booga!".This is why monsterfags are so stupid.
>>730808167I met this guy at a motorhead show once.
>>730821375UM SIR THAT'S A SHE/HER?
>>730809264thread should have ended here
>>730821375I will rape you just like I raped those union miners.
>>730821153You sound really fun to watch a scary movie with
>>730822875Thanks dude, but I'm actually kind of a pussy when it comes to horror.
