Now that the dust has settled and the cows have come home to roost, what's the verdict?
Incredibly overrated series. Prime 1 was sucked off hard just for being a "mature" entry in an established franchise on the floundering GameCube. Every other Prime game was just trying to be fucking Halo and it's most evident with 4.
>>730810174I like prime 1, it feels like you're in a giant zelda dungeon.
>>7308099632 > 1 > 4 > 3All good games but Tropical Freeze is the best Retro game.
>>730809963The trilogy is ludokino and 4 is an atrocity
>>730809963OG trilogy is some of the best gaming to be had, and Echoes is my favorite game of all time. Beyond is fetid dogshit I will never revisit.
>>730809963>the cows have come home to roostfuck off
>>730809963honestly they are all mid compared to the 2D ones.
Anyone who hates 4 but enjoyed 3 is a hypocrite2D Metroid > 3D Metroid
>>730810174Halo 1-3 and ODST are much better than anything Prime related
>>730810174>Every other Prime game was just trying to be fucking Halo and it's most evident with 4.Prime 4 feels like Halo because there were a bunch of former Halo people on the dev team
>>730810535Corruption mogs the fuck out of Beyond. Better level design, better music, better bosses, more enemy variety, better puzzles, and even better NPC’s. You will cope forever, Beyondlet.
>>730810174first post absolutely worst post, fucking abhorrent shit taste having niggeryoshi
>>730809963Metroid Prime 1 Remaster is one game that I would consider a perfect 10/10 with next to no flaws. Same with Link's Awakening remake. These are games that always have you doing something in an interconnected world that opens up the more powerful you become. They both really provide a sense that your avatar, Link or Samus, is becoming more powerful over the course of the game. And in Metroid Prime's case you get the Phazon suit near the end of the game to let you walk on Phazon, but what you don't know yet is that you will use it to stand on the Phazon to kill Metroid Prime, and when Prime starts geeking out, you really feel the power of your character as Samus turns into the hunter stalking the prey.First Prime is a perfect 10/10>>730810554Halo was never good
>>730810650>BeyondletI don't enjoy Prime slop.
>>730809963>Prime 1One of gaming's masterpieces >Prime 2Somehow even better than the first >Prime 3A step down from the previous two but still a lot of fun >Prime 4What the fuck
>>730810174>Prime 1 was sucked off hard just for being a "mature" entry in an established franchise on the floundering GameCube.What the fuck are you smoking, because you need to puff puff pass that shit. Prime 1 was not praised for being a "mature" entry. It was no more mature or dark than any previous Metroid entry. It was praised for bringing what was a 2D series into 3D while keeping it largely true and accurate to its. Much like how OOT was praised for bringing LoZ from 2D to 3D, or Mario 64 was praised for bringing Super Mario Bros from 2D to 3D.
>hallway simulator where you spend most of your time shooting respawning insects>somehow worse game but with multiplayer>even worse game with the blueprints for what made 4 shit>4
>>730810779>It was praised for bringing what was a 2D series into 3Dthey got the backtracking right. can't say the same for anything else.
>>730809963>it's called metroid prime because metroid prime is the main villain of the series>metroid prime 4>there's no metroid prime, or even any metroids period in the gameNintendo is fucking retarded
>>730810731You only think Halo isn’t good because it wasn’t on nintendo. You can’t articulate why you think it’s actually bad.
>>730810174>incredibly overratedTruth nuke. Prime 1 was not a particularly outstanding game even if it was generally pretty well designed and polished. Prime 2 was far superior but everyone hated it for some reason, and prime 3 was a disappointment. None of the prime games can match 2D metroid for quality and replayability except maybe prime 2.>trying to be haloI never understood this argument. Is it because they're first person? Except maybe 3, which I guess tries to have cutscenes like halo and 4 which was worked on by former 343 devs (lol lmao)?
prime 1 was a flukeevery other game fucking sucks
>>730810971Metroid means "ultimate warrior" the real metroids were the quirky hecking wholesome friends we made along the way!
>>730809963The Prime games were the only reason metroid was worth a shit after the 2D games threw out everything good about the series with the release of Fusion until Prime 4 fucked that up too. What a shame. >>730811001Halo is dogshit m8, there's a reason prime is still considered one of the best games ever while no one gives a fuck with halo's re-releases
>>730810971>Prime 4>takes place before Prime 2
>>730810731Prime 1 has a flaw. The boss fights are very mediocre. Prime 2 has way better bosses and is the true perfect game in the series for me.
>>730811187>Halo is bad… because it just isThanks for proving my point. Halo 2 has outsold the entire prime franchise several times over
The Prime games are shit. Subpar FPS barely salvaged by their atmosphere. If you removed "Metroid" from the titles and slapped them on the PS2 or Xbox, nobody would give a fuck.
>>730811187>Halo is dogshitAnd yet Prime copied it for 3 games
>>730811309So what, modern pokemon sells more than halo too. The fact that you feel the need to come in here and defend halo against a series that hasn't had a proper entry in almost 2 decades is telling.
>>730811187>prime is still considered one of the best games everBy who? Game journalists and redditors who only play games with "Nintendo" on the cover?>no one fucks with halo re-releasesBecause the re-releases are dogshit and everyone acknowledges this. Emulator trannies just only care about nintendo and obscure ps2 jrpgs so you still can't really play Halo outside the shitty rereleases.
I could see this series and have no compulsion to even try it out and I never think about it again.Something about it doesn't tell me it's any good, just mid-slop.The fact that Prime 4 added MCU writing thanks to Megan Fausti and she and other leftards were openly flirting with making Samus Trans made me keep my distance and the game ended up having other problems that gave people no reason to play.
>>730811443Oh no I just dislike your arrogance because I know your opinion isn’t your own and based on nothing but shit you read online
>>730811380>Hurr first person shooter but worseYou didn't get it
>>730811606Sorry, I care more about gameplay than a moody soundtrack.
>>730810174>Incredibly overrated Okay but enough about thousand year door. Paper Mario peaked with the first game and everything else was shit
>>730811678It's an exploration game dumbass. Kinda nuts that a Nintendo game is actually too highbrow for you.
>>730811678Play 2D metroid and you get both
>>730811792It's cute that you assume using a reaction image has so much meaning. I haven't even played Paper Mario.
>>730811818>It's an exploration gameIt's a shittier version of what 2D Metroid could do.>>730811836I'm very well aware.
>>730811534Cool now post the contemporary reception without high production values tricking retards into thinking its anything special>>730811440Two with 3/4>games get worse the more become like haloWow what a surprise
>>730811818>MP1>explorationFinal Fantasy XIII has more "exploration"
>>730811925>Saving reaction images for games you haven't even playedWhy are zoomers like this? I bet you have a huge wall of games you haven't played and gaming merchandise plastered all over you walls too
>prime thread >ass blasted halofans and 2D purists get riled up and can't help themselves sperging out Everytime
>before mp4>/v/ loves the trilogy>after mp4 >/v/ pretends they always hated itWhat I call this phenomenon? Other than calling you retarded fucking faggot contrarians of course.
>>730812139See>>730812118They've been assblasted for decades. I still don't know why halo fans are drawn to these threads though, no prime fan gives a fuck about halo or halo discussion
>>730812081>saving reaction imagesYou can just post via URL.
>>730812002Prime after 1 wishes it could be Halo but failed hard to try to mimic it.
>>730812081I don't even save reaction images. Keep making assumptions though, it's totally helping you win this silly argument.
>>730809963Starts out kino, then gets progressively worse with each new entry.
>>730812290How so? Certainly not with the gameplay.Prime is 2d metroid + 3d zelda at its core
>>730812290Prime 2 doesn't try to. Retro/tanabe trying to make prime into gaylo is exactly why they're worse games and I'm not defending them. The best thing that could happen to prime is for retro to go through serious de-haloficiation psychological exercises.
>>730812256You guys literally blame your games being shitty because “it’s trying to be Halo”. But maybe if it actually did a good job of copying classic halo people may have actually bought the games
Metroid Prime has to be the most visually impressive and aesthetically immersive game I've ever played. It was also really, really boring. Everyone has to play it at some point though. It's definitely unique enough.
>>7308099632 > 1 >3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4
1 and 2 are fineNot GOTYAY, not shit3 and 4 are shit
>>730812437There's no denying they are worse games for trying to be like halo, the level design and exploration in particular are greatly shat up as a result. People use halo as a comparison because halo fans keep flooding prime threads for some reason and it's an easy comparison to make. >But maybe if it actually did a good job of copying classic halo people may have actually bought the gamesHalo is an irrelevant series so I doubt that. It's had a bigger fall than final fantasy. Prime 3 didn't sell anymore regardless.
>>730812595>Halo is a irrelevant seriousIn 2008? You’re out of your mind. If you mean now yeah no shit. No Halo fan thinks modern Halo is good except for the people who work at Retro. But christ even modern Halo is better than Prime 4
>>7308099631>2>4>3And Halo died after Reach btw
Truth nuke:Prime suffers far more from trying to be like Zelda than from trying to copy halo (which it doesn't and you would all know that if you had played halo)
>>730812907Echoes is set up like a Zelda game with temples, and does it well. Beyond is set up like a Zelda game with temples, and does it poorly. Clearly, the solution is to make the game good instead of making it bad.
>>730812907I always thought Skyward sword suffered from trying to be too much like prime (in its overworld design)
>>730812804I obviously mean now, and the halo trilogy hardly registers nowadays outside of hardcore halo fans. Prime is still seen as a masterpiece largely
I feel like people are coping hard with Prime 4. Story and writing? Sylux was underbaked and the scan logs are filler. Fucking sucked. Combat? Lock on and spam missiles. Fucking sucked. Exploration? Barely any branching paths. Fucking sucked. What's the point of this game?
>>730812907Prime 2 is the most zelda-like and the best. The worst aspects of prime 3/4 are being too linear/lacking in exploration especially the parts with the GF (i.e. halo).
>>730812907>>730813293Prime 2 is way better than 1 because the level design dropped the Super Metroid worship in favor of something that better fit the slower mechanics and linearity of Prime.
>>730814028What cope, who defends prime 4? I'm a huge metroid/metroid prime fan and this game sucks cocks, almost a fusion/other M tier wreck
>>730814191Prime is as linear as super and super didn't try to be fast outside of a few speedbooster rooms, I don't get this line of thinking
>>730813903Why do nintendo fans greatly out weigh how popular their games are. Mario and Zelda yeah but Metroid Prime is better remembered than Bungie’s Halo is schizophrenic. Again more people have bought and play Halo 2 more than the entire prime franchise several times over. Prime never generated these moments like Halo did
>>730810174Okay TJ "Nigger" Yoshi
>>730814525>are *were
>>730814525It's not entirely untrue. Halo was obviously way more popular and review very well back in the day but you don't see the games industry/community look back on them with the same reverence as prime today (specially the first game)
>>730814274Super has a lot more freedom of movement and true exploration, even outside of extreme things there are many routes you can take and you can often find skips or early items organically as you play; backtracking takes ages in prime because you move slower, vertical movement takes forever because you have a short jump, it's a lot harder to keep track of every single room where you scanned some random fucking rocks (and remember which are benezium and which are cordite) and trapse across the map to check every single one of them than doing a similar action in Super, due to the 3D perspective and layout of the map.Prime's mechanics just works better with more dense, dare I say linear, tight levels like in prime 2.
>>730809963Why is it mandatory for the series to have filler and fetch quest bullshit? No one would have complained that Prime was too short, the artifact hunt just ruins replays. >HURR, BUT I LIKE THE ARTIFACT HUNTThey don't have to get rid of it, but make it optional. Give soem powerup for the artifact hunt, or some cool new game plus mode or anything.
>>730814739>halo isn't remember fondlyLeave the nintendo circlejerk subreddit bro, many people still hold the old halos in high regard.
>>730809963I played 1 and 3 and I didn't get much enjoyment out of them, now they've given the newest one the 'purple treatment' so it's extra uncool. I think it's over for this series.
>>730814834*rememberedFUCK, I made a grammatical mistake.Now my point is invalid and I'm subject to ridicule and mockery
Nobody cares about Halo now because its obsolete, and so are console shooters mostly.Prime 1/2 are unique in its design and have never been outdone at what it was doing
>>730814757I can't agree with the environment stuff, 100% super is a far bigger pain in the ass
>>730814834Outside of 360 nostalgia and halo hardcores, it's really not regarded highly anymore
>>730814604Underrated
>>730811507>popular fan theorypopular?>they think samus's like a motherWHO ARE "THEY"?Samus is a walking mommy and daddy issues atomic bomb, do you REALLY need to add gender confusion to that literal walking clusterfuck of parents and ideals? her head is a motherfucking brain jamboree from all the traumas and gene tampering and mutations would her screaming about cutting her dick off or straping a sausage between her legs do any dent to that metroid DNA one wrong light spectrum away from forcing her to mutate and lay dozens of metroid eggs like a fucking pez dispenser?is someone manually setting up those schizo captchas every week. what's the fucking point of that?
>>730814525Metroid is just popular because of Metroidvanias, nobody buys the games, Prime 4 is on track to be the best selling game of the saga with barely 2M copies
prime 2 is fucking dogshitnothing indicates how retarded this board is more than how much is slurps that shitty game's cock
>>730817480Little baby can't handle the dark world draining your hp can he?
>>730817596>tedious bullshit is good actuallyplay me in an actually hard game like street fighter 3 and watch how you get rapedgo on boot up fightcade right now and let's see how hardcore you really are you fucking pansy bitch
>>730817596>>730817716oh look the little faggot ran away from a real challenge how fucking typical
>>730817716>actually hard game>SF3You could just said you’re trans anon
>>730810174>all these seething repliestruth hurts doesn't it?
>>730817716>t. wasted his time standing in light bubbles to top off his HPJust shoot crates nigga
>>730817716>fight me in this game I've played for 20 yearswhy?
>>730812286>>730812364Jesus Christ what is this phenomenon of retards willfully not engaging in the media they're opting to post and then acting smug about it? It is clear as day you've got hundreds spent on gaming merchandise to show how much of a fan you are meanwhile never even played the games you buy merch for
I played Prime 1 on hypermode recently and it made me realize just how much better the bosses in 2 and 3 were. The only “good” bosses in Prime 1 are Meta Ridley and Metroid Prime’s armored phase. Parasite Queen does nothing and is a tutorial boss, Flaahgra is alright but I didn’t really like it, Thaardus is actually kinda cool but it’s very repetitive even with the morph ball bombs, Omega Pirate is a huge waste of time that I read they allowed power bombs in the PAL and Trilogy release to make it faster. I know I’m being hypocritical here, by saying Meta Ridley was good when on Hypermode it’s a very long fight just to get that last fifth of the HP bar down, but it was still pretty fun timing my shots and the first part of the fight was pretty great. Metroid Prime’s true form is a horrible waiting game where it only spams one move until it drips a pool for you to use. Combat against space pirates was fun though, I liked how your weapon progression makes dealing with aerial pirates simpler and less resource intensive (super missile -> ice beam + missile -> charged plasma shot).
>>730815326Next time you're at work, a family gathering, et cetera, ask people about Metroid and Halo90% of them won't even know what Metroid is outside maybe remembering Samus in Smash BrosI love the series but it isn't "highly regarded" outside vidya discussion circles online
>>730812432I don't think Tanabe is actually aware that he's making Metroid more like HaloFor some reason he just has no imagination>I wanted to tell the "story" of the GF versus the Space Pirates>So we put a GF squad in some gay chibi mecha and made a game with no story>I wanted to tell the "story" of Sylux>So we put him in a game where he doesn't do anything until the last 30 minutes and all we learn about him is that he's a retarded edgelordThen it's left to whatever western devs he's managed to scrounge together to make a game out of his shitty ideas, and in the case of Halo 4 with a bunch of ex-343 devs, the result is something that feels directionless other than feeling vaguely Halo-like
>>7308099632 > 4 = 1 > 3
>>730809963It's good but it's lost the plot. They need to go back to the roots if they're doing another one, no more GalFed troopers, no more wacky Sylux Marvel bullshit. Just metroid.
>>730819995Honestly think they should get it out of their system, do a whole federation trooper game. Those reverse engineered elemental shots would have made so much sense if wielded by a trooper. The motorcycle too, how do we make this trooper kinda cool? he can't morphball and can't shinespark, motorcycle.
Is prime 4 worth playing if I couldnt finish the recent remaster on switch?I guess I could play it on hacked switch 1.
>>730820708it is worth playing but it's not a very good Metroid. Aspects of it are incredible, but most aspects of it are like the dev team actually, willingly wanted to fuck it up.
>>730820708It's pretty legendary on how it starts amazing, gets dull as shit, and ends on the highest of notes. It kind of should have been a movie.
How much of a visual improvement would I get playing the Switch 2 version of Prime 4 compared to emulating the Switch 1 version and forcing a higher resolution? I don't wanna pay $70
>>730821115it's worth it for the 120fps alone
>>730820912that piques my interest.I can either:play TotK over again on switch 2 after quitting after 1 temple on switch 1.play and buy metroid prime 4.Pirated versions of both on switch 1, starting back where I leftoff in TotK (but forgot game mechanics and everything). Id save 140 and desu maybe thats the move over convenience and graphics.
>>7308099631. Great2. Great3. Ok4. Barely passable
>>730821804>quitting after 1 templeBecause it was really long? I kinda petered out after one dungeon, but I will be going back to it soon. The real reason is I had an influx of several other games I was really interested in at the moment.>buy and play metroid prime 4There's fun to be had but it's not really that much of it if you're very nitpicky. It's a fairly straightforward game where you will get lost exactly once. All the bosses are amazing, the inbetween is all fairly middling.
>>730822286Yeah same exact scenario desu.That and BotW isnt even in my top 5 zelda games but that said I have been bad about finishing them since skyward sword. I need to go back and beat the recent zelda-focused one and TotK, probably never going back to skyward sword tho.I think I can just get through prime 4 but I gotta ask what I'll walk away with thats meaningful afterwards. RE9 is right around corner then pokopia for me so idk if these two will even make it since im playing WarioWorld on NSO and Galaxy 2 rn first.
Started off with a good game and declined in quality with each subsequent entry, culminating in the truly awful Prime 4.
It's crazy that it's 1>2>3>4The series just got worse over time. (2 is great just not as good as 1)3 is better than 4 because no desert and Phaze as a concept is really cool. It frankly makes no sense to make a game beyond 3 and still call it "Prime".Metroid Prime's story is over and complete. Prime should not mean "3D Metroid".
>>730822472Well Prime 4 is certainly better than Wario World, lol. If you play Prime 4 you can walk away from it saying you played Prime 4, it's not like there's anything meaningful in any of these games honestly. Back and forth through hallways, around the game world, get one ability so you can use it to get another ability, and the game culminates in a boss that makes use of every ability. Metroid is practically Zelda, and if you enjoy one series you likely enjoy the other. It's just that this time around we have on our hands a game that was passed around between studios and like a thousand developers, the credits go on for a very long time, so many many names listed.I'm not really into Resident Evil, honestly not sure what people see in them beyond like the first four.
>>730822715lol Prime 2 is much better than 1
>>730822715Nintendo doesn't give a shit about 3D Metroid, they just announced Prime 4 to trick retards into buy a Switch for it. Then they hired such a bad developer they had to cancel it and restart development years later, and it's STILL crap.Always blame Nintendo.
I’m gonna replay Prime 2 tonight. I remember it being my favorite of the trilogy, it was cool and had fun areas. I don’t know how the dark world filtered people when it’s not an issue at all after the first real boss which gives you the dark suit. Apparently you can skip the dark suit entirely with the “ghetto jump” as they called it back in the day, might try that.
I will only one day, maybe, play 4 when and if 2 and 3 are remastered like 1 was. 4 sounds so shitty I don't want to bother.Holy shit the Switch2 is so lackluster. If it weren't me for being a Splatoon addict I wouldn't even touch it these days. Mario Kart World killed inside drift so no buy and the only Switch 2 game I've got any enjoyment out of is DKB.All I'm looking forward to is S4 and Raiders. And the 0.00000000000001% chance they iterate on Majora's Mask for their next Zelda.
>>730819010I'm not implying metroid is popular
>>730822943It's beams were cooler sure, but the map design was worse. My enjoyment started to wane a bit towards the end despite the Annihilator Beam being so cool.
>>730823127Nintendo brought prime 4 in house and gave it one of the longest dev times/budgets in their history. I think they cared about it
>>730821804I quit Tears after temple 4. The same map just evaporated my desire to explore faster and faster as I played. The jank builing mechanic also bored me.
>>730823364I like the map design more in Prime 2 personally. Magmoor cavern stretches things out more than necessary in prime 1 and phazon mines are less interesting than the areas in prime 2. Prime 1's world/level design is still excellent but apes a lot from super. Prime 2 is the only game to move away from super's core design ethos and not suffer for it, every other game aside from it gets worse the more it strays from super/prime
>>7308105354 has all of 3's problems minus wagglan but done worse, plus a few of its own
I can't believe they didn't even manage to make something better than Prime 3 after all this time.
>>730827907Really? You couldn't see the warning signs that Retro didn't have it in them anymore?
>>730829253their game prior to Beyond was amazing
>>730810731Prime 1's most glaring flaw is the artifact hunt. It makes the endgame fucking unbearable, especially on repeat plays.
>>730830113Their game prior to Beyond was over a decade ago.
>>730830437nearly the same time as DKB/odyssey
>>730823364Level design is way better in Prime 2, because it's closer to Super Metroid. The map loops and loops, whenever you go off in a direction, you get a new ability, and it loops back to around where you started, your new ability providing a shortcut. Prime 1 has nothing but hallways you have to come back through with no changes involved. Retards might believe Metroid is about backtracking, but the truth is the good ones eliminate it with superior level design in this way.
>>730830867Prime 2 is not closer to super than Prime 1, that's a silly statement. Prime 1's world reflects super's very closely with the big difference being that prime added an additional transit area in the middle (Magmoor Caverns). Prime 2 does it's own thing. I do like Prime 2's approach more personally but that's because I don't think it has a "bad" area like super/prime (miridia/magmoor)
>>730830327It's really irksome that both Wind Waker and Prime are remedied by randomizers to such a huge degree. Like how did designers hand place levels that a dice roll can one up.
>>730831002Yes, it is. I get so sick of having to drive this point home to retards. Prime 2 and Super have the most in common, because of the level design. When you go somewhere you get a new ability and you loop back using that ability which permanently opens up traversal. Prime 1 does Not Do This. That's why the game is inferior to both Super and Prime 2. Even the portals in Prime 2 work to this end. You go inside, you loop around an altered landscape, and you come back out. Fucking morons.
I'm confused as to why people take 4 over 3 now. 3 had waggling but wasn't nearly as boring compared to 4.
>>730831002This is what a playthrough of Prime 1 looks like, you go down a hallway, get an ability And Come Back Through The Hallway.
>>730831002Now this is a snippet of Prime 2. You gain an ability and the level has natural loops that open up to new areas.
>>730831002>hating MaridiaYou power bomb the tunnel and it connects you to Brinstar and thus Norfair in a convenient shortcut. The only isolated locations in the game are lower Norfair and Tourian by the end.
prime 2 is fucking shit all of you contrarian retards need to kill yourselvesliterally couldn't even finish it because it was so fucking tedious and wasted my fucking time
>>730831101Prime absolutely does this >>730831163Cherry picked start of the game
>>730831653The isolation isn't the issue, it's the general level design not being as good. The lab section is fine but it's the water area that's boring.
>>730809963>what's the verdictNot Metroid.If it isn't a Metroidvania, that shit ain't Metroid.>We haven't gotten a Dread 2 because of Retro being full-on for Not Metroid 4.IT ISN'T FAIR.gif
>>730832505The rest of the game is the same shit you dumb fuck. Here is Phendrana Drifts. Go down hallway and grab boost ball, then fuck off all the way to Talon Overworld for space jump, then all the way the fuck back for wave beam and all the way through the pirate research center for thermal visor, then all the way back through that shit in the fucking dark. Fuck off and kys, just because you have the memory of a goldfish doesn't mean I'm fooled by your dipshittery.
>>730832723Dread is hardly a metroidvania itself given how hyper linear it is (inb4 someone brings up the sequence breaks which hardly change the progression). Better than prime 4 tho.
>>730832570Boring is incredibly subjective. The only thing I dislike about Maridia is the sandpits, but you get used to the altered movement.
>>730832746Wave boost and thermal are different paths, nice try though
>>730832746What's funny is that they finally learned they should have some loops at Phendrana's Edge, but that's all the way at the literal edge of the map lmao.
>>730832946Fucking retard, they're hallways you go through and back out. Literal memory of a goldfish. Seriously fuck off and die.
>>7308119862D Metroid has shit exploration, it's "bomb all the walls to find the way forward"
>>7308099632>1>3>4
>>730833209Generally there's tell tale signs of having to bomb a place to make progress. Such as when a path leads to a dead end, the good ones don't actually possess a dead end, so clearly you can bomb forward. Quite like the original Zelda. A tree in the middle of the path? the old man mentioned as much, and sure enough dungeon level 8.
>>730833209This was fine with super because it was still novel and the general level design progression was fantastic. Problem is 2D metroid after that stopped evolving on that front and has shittier level design to boot. They should take pointers from prime and contextualize upgrades/progression within the world more rather than just being behind random breakable blocks. Or maybe not just prime but literally any modern metroidvania like hollow knight
>>730833312Zelda evolved beyond random bombable/flammable shit to progress and was much better for it. 2D metroid has not evolved beyond that point since super (prime 4 was a regression as well)
Womp womp
>>730833456Millennial writers and their consequences have been a disaster for the video game industry (and literally every other entertainment medium)
>>730833815the writing/story is the least of the problem in prime 4. Story is irrelevant/sucks in every metroid.
>>730833432Nah, putting a crack YELLOW PAINT on the wall from Link to the Past onward sucks, and it's good that Metroid retains some amount of dignity.
>>730834758I'm not talking about wall bombing here, I'm talking about actually contextualizing progression into environments properly. This is something the prime games/modern metroidvanias outside of 2D metroid do. Arbitrary breakable wall/floor squares aren't as fun as working around actual level geometry with proper environmental art. Similarly to how pushing a random rock in zelda 1 isn't as fun as working an actual contraption to open up a pathway
>>730834931Literally Metroid games do that, what you're wanting is farther dumbing it down with paint. Hidden collectibles is a staple of these games, they're rewards for those who actually pick up on context clues. Zelda by comparison just throws participation trophy items at the player for bothering with the giant neon sign posted items.
>>7308358922D metroid don't have the relatively complex environmental interaction found in many modern metroidvanias. It's the opposite of dumbing down, there's nothing complex about breaking a part of the wall/floor with a specific upgrade.>Zelda by comparison just throws participation trophy items at the player for bothering with the giant neon sign posted items.the 2D metroid do this to an even greater extent, the blocks literally have the upgrade icon required to break them upon being morph bombed. The only times things get interesting with them are the small handful of optional speed booster puzzles that requires planning out on how to approach them but those make up a very small percentage of the games
Is the Metroid Prime a Lamos? What did he mean by "we sent 12 of them to find the Chosen One, did you notice?."
>>730838020Just seems like a thread point they kept loose to explore in future games. I think they did that so they can justify using psychic abilities/space time distortion in the future if they want to. The "metroid prime was a lamorn" theory was always retarded
>>730838090So, basically sequel bait. Gotcha.
>>730818969what are you even getting angry at
>>730837167>there's nothing complex about breaking a part of the wall/floor with a specific upgradethere is because you need to spot the context clue
>>730838393that's one part of the puzzle, the other is actual execution. The execution part is what's uninteresting except for those aforementioned speed booster upgrade puzzles
>>730838359Try reading
I'm glad /v/ is mature enough now to state that Prime 3 is one of the worst games ever made. I have been pushing that narrative for over a decade now with little success so to see if finally reflected in these posts here make me almost feel at peace.
Which should I do
>>730839885Veteran if it's your first time.Normal is a new easy mode; veteran is the actual normal mode.Hypermode is hard mode, and in my opinion it kind of sucks by just making enemies and bosses bullet sponges.
>>730840110Alright. Is Prime 2's hypermode around the same as Prime 1's? Forgot to mention this was for 2.
>>730840253Hypermode is +50% damage taken -50% damage dealt, across all 3 Prime games, I believe.
>>730839885hypermode for all, if you're a casual then normal for prime 2
>>730840326Prime 1 it really only affected the bosses from what I tried.>>730840479Is Prime 2 the hardest one?
>>730840570>Is Prime 2 the hardest one?without a doubt. I don't consider any metroid game to be "hard" but prime 2 has overall the biggest difficulty spikes
>>730840634Alright I'll try it. I played Prime 2 ages ago, I don't remember it being that difficult after getting the dark suit but I only did one playthrough. Prime 1 wasn't that tough on Hypermode besides being an endurance battle for bosses.
>>730840793it has 2 (arguably 3) notorious difficulty spikes after that point, although 1 of those two is mitigated by using the spring ball added in the trilogy version
>>730841014Makes sense, Prime 1's peaks were Omega Pirate and Metroid Prime but it didn't go beyond two attempts for those. Meta Ridley took a long time but I didn't die.
>>730810174truth hurts. look how many people got mad at this statement
>>730841631you don't have to keep replying to yourself
>>730811475People do emulate OG halo, they just aged like shit
>>730838453opening doors tends to not be exciting in execution
>>730840793NTA but the GCN version is considered difficult in some spotsThey nerfed the difficulty a lot in the Wii version
>>730841014I like Prime 2's difficulty spikes, it handles it like a good RPG. You get a tough challenge, then it goes back to being breezy until the next one.
>>730810174>Paper Mario fag>FPWPLOL
>>730812118I don't get why the fuck Halo fans suddenly seethe over Prime.They're two different types of games, they're just both in first person and sci fi universes.How do people even compare the two?Is it because of the master chief, Samus, Doom guy, Dead space meme shit?
>>7308099631 and 2 are masterpieces. 3 is okay. 4 starts out pretty good and turns into dogshit.
>>730823364Prime 1 map design sucks purely because magmoore caverns.
>>730845078>>730811925
>>7308452353 and 4 literally had people who worked on Halo work on themThat's why you have more NPCs babbling
>>730844383Because of Spring Ball or something else?Not that bad so far, though. Space Pirates are "enhanced" but their base forms are gimped from Prime 1 while the Dark Pirates regain the fire rate and aggression from 1.
>>730846578Sort of. There's two notorious bosses in the GCN version that gave a lot of people trouble(one of the senior devs of the game said he wasn't even able to beat it till they nerfed it for the Wii lol). The first one was nerfed to be easier, the second one was made a lot easier because morphball jumping was required for the fight and now you can springball and bypass that frustration.
>>730810174fpbpMetroid was never meant to leave 2D. And this includes the sidescrolling 3D parryshit, that's not Metroid.
>>730844383There's not that much nerfed. They only directly nerfed the boost guardian's pool (does 20 damage instead of 60 or something) which is easy to avoid anyway. The biggest nerf is indirect, spider ball guardian isn't changed itself but the inclusion of spring ball in the trilogy version breaks the fight. You could choose not to use it, I guess
>>730844438I agree, metroid needs more difficult sections overall. Funny enough this is something prime 4 does kind of well despite its many shortcomings >>730845235I'm not sure why I see them in prime threads so much, I don't think very many metroid/prime fans give a shit about halo
>>730847581Fug. Well I'll enjoy this version since I already started.
>Forget to scan the first boss in 4>Turns out you need 100% items AND scans for the full endingFuck yourselfI don't remember the first three games needing scans
>>730810174>calls the GameCube "floundering">uses a reaction image from the Switch demake of a 20 year old GC gameTTYDsisters... This guy's making us look even worse...
>>730845706did 3 have bungie people?
>>730848347the one that was directly nerfed hardly changed, the 1 attack they toned down was already easy to avoid. The second one's difficulty can be retained by ignoring the spring ball>>730848418yeah they didn't. Funny enough the secret ending still doesn't reveal why sylux is assblasted at samus/the GF other than samus broke the toy he wanted for reasons unknown
>>730848251>I'm not sure why I see them in prime threads so much, I don't think very many metroid/prime fans give a shit about haloHalo fans have never been the same since 343 took over, they want Metroid to end up the same way.Anyone saying 1/2 are trying to be halo are tourist retards who've either never played 1/2. 3 I sorta get it because of the lean towards set pieces and shit. 4 even more so.But even then the games don't really compare when Metroid is at it's most halo-y.
>>7308099631 and 2 were good3 was acceptabledidn't play 4metroid in general was a great franchise for a long time, it's sad that it declined because nintendo never really understood the appeal.>>730810174it was sucked off because it was a great game with fucking incredible atmosphere, a lot of interesting content to explore, neat puzzles, generally interesting bosses, and solid combat. in other words it was sucked off for being an excellent game. really the only low point was the artifact hunt, rehashing a bunch of areas a gorillion times hunting for them wasn't fun.it had nothing to do with maturity. i liked a good mix of mature and non-mature games because i didn't care about that shit. pikmin and paper mario were on the kiddie side of things and i liked both of those. meanwhile plenty of big "mature" games like medal of honor and later call of duty never held any interest to me.honestly accusing people who liked nintendo games as being obsessed with maturity is probably one of the stupidest accusations anyone could ever make
>>730848418Just replay the game on hardmode next time, it's fun.
>>730849102Lets be real, Prime was given a Nintendo bonus for being 3D + first game since SNES.
>>730849826i won't deny the possibility but underneath all that it was still a solid game with incredible atmosphere. one of my friends noted that prime borrows heavily for that element from super, and i agree, super is also one of the all time greats as far as atmosphere.
>>730849893Yeah it's an 8/10 just like the fourth game, despite all the heeing and hawing.
>>730849987>8/10this mf watches marvel movies.
>>730849987i'm not gonna argue if you say 8/10 i think that's at least in the realm of fair, i'm going to bed anyway
>>730809963Digital Foundry glazed the fuck out of this game, and it didn't deserve any of it at all. They said the "visual techniques" were well done and everything was great. It looked awful to me. I also have seen a lot of 6/10 and 7/10 scores for it overall.
>>730850061Just Doctor Strange and Spiderman. I don't like any of the other heroes/stories.
>>730850104and those scores are retarded, none of those fags know how to rate games
