Bethesda simply cannot win, and you still wonder why they would rather remaster and rerelease the classics
>>730818304>/v/ will hate Fallout 5If /v/ is still around when Fallout 5 comes out something went wrong.
>>730818304>even if it's just as good as skyrim I like that being as good as skyrim is a metric they aren't even sure they can reach.
>damage control already
>>730818304>as good as Skyrim was
>>730818304I need devs to understand that it's okay for some people to not like your game.
>>730818549But everyone likes Skyrim
>>730818304They never said it would be better than Skyrim. That right there should tell you all you need to know.
>>730818549you will eat the slop and you will spread the love for it
>>730818304But I thought Bethesda skipped Fallout 5 to make 7 and 6?
>>730818445It's barely left pre-production at they are already coping.
>>730818304All they had to do for starfield was keep the loot mechanics of f04 and skyrim and add hot aliens and the game probely would have done significantly better. Bonus points for less planets that are uniquely designed and not have a terrible opening sequence.
>>730818304>Skyrim was good
>>730818304Fallout 4 and Starfield were better than Skyrim and look at how /v/ reacts to them
>730818304>even ifsmallest if
>customer: if you're going to release a new game and charge more for it then it should at least meet the expectations of previous titles.>todd howard: lies
>>730818304>even it it's just as good as Skyrim wasSkyrim was dogshit, and ES6 will be even worse than that.
>>730818304>"that definitely factored into me leaving"lol what a pathetic bitch, why do they keep interviewing this guy?
>>730818304How about they not insult the playerbase by releasing a barely functioning game that needs community fixes to work properly.
>>730818304Nothing can be better than Skyrim because most people played it as kids/teenagers and will just compare the new games against nostalgia.
>>730818304>even if it's just as good as skyrimif it's just as good as skyrim if will prove they haven't learned anything in over a decade
>as good as skyrimoh you mean the literal definition of quantity over qaulity? that skyrim, with the garbage thieves guild and weak DB questlines? The one with 0 interesting npcs and boring samey combat? Yeah if fallout 5 is as good as that i'll still talk shit about it.
>>730819073i’m one of the dozen people that likes starfield despite it’s blatant flaws.
>>730818304>just as good as skyrimnever gonna happen, itd be a miracle if it was
actually nothing will ever top saarfield
>retards claming skyrim is bad now
someone should go to bethesda's offices and just start gunning down the indiansyea janny will seethe but it would objectively improve a lot
>>730818304It's true. People won't stand Bethesda Jank™ on day 1 anymore. They won't put up with Bethesda's typical ugly characters either.
>>730819921Dont you have a bunch of draugr to go fight in a copypasted cave big guy?
>>730818304>even if they're better than SkyrimWe all know that's not happening.
>>730819921Wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle.
>>730819921i disliked it on release too
>>730818304Uh-oh, this is the second preemptive cope article i've seen about TESVI. Leads me to believe Bethesda is well aware it's going to be shit so they're starting to spin the "people are going hate us for whatever we do, woe is us!" narrative as some sort of soft disclosure before we even have a release date. Grim tidings.
>>730819073Bait used to be believable.
>>730818304Its not wrong to expect something to be as good, if not better than what came before it especially in an industry that is always claiming to be inovating and improving. But its also impossible to please everybody. I think ASHRAE lays out some guidlines in regards to indoor air quality and comfort levels that everybody should aspire to in every endeavor. They state that it is only reasonable to make 80% of people happy because climate comfort preferences are subjective from person to person and if you are close to making 80% of people happy you are doing a damn good job. Now it is possible for certain games to achieve higher than 80% user score but Bethesda should be aiming for a mostly positive reception. If they can't do that for whatever reason, they should rightfully be criticized for it.
>>730819921Claiming Skyrim is bad is just one of the things /v/ does on reflex
>>730820368The guy they're interviewing left Bethesda like 5 years ago
>>730818304>can't win>hateful commentsBitch please get over yourself I shittalked skyrim all the time and still do, yet I bought the game 2 times!
>>730818304It's ok Bethesda, I forgive you, it doesn't matter to me either way anymore since ive resolved never to touch anything you work on again.
>>730818304That's because Skyrim is a shit game, too, so any game "as good as" it is will also be shit.
>>730818592I don't, it's dumbed down slop for normgroids.
>>730818304>Even if it is a good as a 15 years old that is barely stitched together and only standing because of community modsCompetence at an all time low i see
>>730819921>now
>>730819921people have always hated skyrimsome people like itsome people hate itsimple as
>>730818304It's a good thing TES6 will be set in Hammerfell and be inspired by Spanish/Moorish/North African vibes. That's a fresh aesthetic. A big advantage when Skyrim came out was that fantasy Vikings was actually kind of novel for the time. Now it's old hat so it's cool they're pivoting in a new direction.
Skyrim was made with 100 devs. Bethesda now has 500 devs and they made Starfield.Also no Jeremy Soule to add 2 points to the score
>>730819921it is.
>>730820840>I CANT WAT FOR NIGGERFALL YO
>>730818304So many layers to this to dissect.#1. The implication that the studio that just shat out Starfield can make a game on Skyrims level anymore.#2. The idea that releasing a game of 2011 Skyrim tier quality in 2030(or later) is at all aceptable or something to aspire towards.#3 The fact that this is a scenario of thier own making brought about by releasing fuck all jack shit in 10 years for either of their staple franchises. Why on earth were they working on an original IP when they already own 2 moneymakers.Elder Scrolls should have had a New Vegas style in between game released by either another studio, or Bethesda should have expanded their company to be capable of producing multiple games at once.and Fallout not having anything to release as their pumping a show out for free marketing is legit baffling.
True, there's no point in making sequels or new content whatsoever. You will just get flamed for it being worse than the older stuff. Also it's too expensive.I think they should remake Skyrim, SSE is 10 years old after all.
>>730818304The correct move for Bethesda is to be like Rimworld>make barebones game that is easily moddable>modding community thrives>jump back in every once in a while to steal mods and then integrate them into the game through updates and expansionsTESVI could easily be a forever-game if they were to do this. They already went in this direction somewhat with Anniversary Edition but they didn't go far enough and they integrated shitty paid mods instead of actually good and/or necessary content.
>>730819921Fuck off to your marvel slop 10th ed
>>730818768fuck that shit, i can drive around the entirety of night city with no loading screens but every 5 seconds in Starfield i get hit with a loading screen - shit was RETARDED AF
Anyone who played their previous games thought Skyrim was as bad as Starfield when it was released
>>730818304Literally happens every new game.Whothefuckcares
>"why are people so mean to me" asks the company behind horse armour, paid mods, starfield and fallout 76
The game is nowhere close to being complete and they're already acting like it won't be as "good" as Skyrim was? It was over before it began.
>>730818304Skyrim wasn't good though.
Are you guys ready for Hammerfell Elder Scrolls with "Sword-Singing" that is literally just rebranded Shouts all the way to using the same LB button
>>730818304Has this former lead stopped to think *WHY* people might have this innate reaction when Bethesda was beloved comparatively a decade ago? And that was post-F4, mind you.
>>730820073Skyrim has the best dungeons in the series by a mile.>>730820836Yeah, and it's mostly perpetuated by retarded schizos who autistically imprinted on the first TES game they played. They use deceptive tactics to try to fool newer players into thinking the old games were better than they really were. Like [pic related] was circulated around a lot around when Skyrim released when anyone who has played these games knows how retardedly disingenuous this is. Morrowind and Oblivion don't even have level design. It's just a bunch of room templates haphazardly stapled together. You can immediately tell when you're in a DLC dungeon in Oblivion because those are the first instances where they actually had level designers build the dungeons and it's immediately apparent when you're in like Sundercliff Watch relative to anything from the base game. Most dungeons in Skyrim are like Sundercliff Watch.
>>730818304Nah, if those are as good as Skyrim, you'll have people fucking women (with mods) in those games 10 years from now.
Bethesda has not made a product that improves upon the previous product in, like, 20 years. They just strip out the parts they can no longer get the engine to work around and sell it as a keyjangling simulator for normgroids and a mod platform for the autistic abused housewives.
>>730821548>most locations in skyrim feel like a videogameThis is not a stunning endorsement of Skyrim.
>>730820718Damn what an original opinion.
>>730821720Fallout 4 and Starfield both show they are making a conscious effort to fix Sloprim's problems and restore the RPG elements it stripped away
>>730820836Skyrim>morrowind>oblivionAlways has been and always will be.
>>730821841An opinion doesn't need to be original to be true.
>>730821864Fallout 4 was a massive pile of ass that completely destroyed the SPECIAL system and took huge step backwards from New Vegas.I can't even fucking IMAGINE using Starflop as an example of a company improving on prior projects lmfao.
>>730818304>Even if it's better than SkyrimNigga Skyrim is 15 years old now. If they can't make a game better than Skyrim in 2026+ they don't deserve to be in business.
>>730821163Cyberscam's shit, too.
>>730821957And yet both were 1000x the RPG Shartrim was
>>730818304That's neat. Sounds like they're ready to step aside to let someone competent take a swing at it.
>>730818304These faggots are still pretending they didn't drop the ball with Starfield? Players just had a wildly steep expectation that there would be something to actually do in their generated procedural planets? I'm sorry Todd for getting bored of running towards the same pirate outpost in every solar system on every biome.
>>730820856Can't say I'm surprised considering how gay and lame spacejeet was
>>730818304Its the same shit as Duke Nukem Forever, of course if your game is in eternal dev limbo, people will be disappointedlook at CoD, their Fans dont expect a revolutionary gameThey keep acting like they are working on other projects but then you see shit like the oblivion remaster and its literally just a graphic modThen you see what their full-time projects turned into with Starfield, and you wonder if maybe all their games were shit to begin with, they were just lucky Skyrim had an insane modding communityTruth is, Obsidian made in 18 months what Bethesda couldnt make in 18 years and they are forever assblasted
>>730819549Doesn't work when there's nine years between it and Morrowind and five between it and Oblivion, yet a lot of people like all three to different degrees. Meanwhile you have me whose childhood was Oblivion yet I dislike the game the most out of all TES. Point being, if Bethesda was to release a game that had Skyrim's world exploration, player freedom and dungeon design 1:1 like TES5 had, no amount of excuses would stop a huge number of people from enjoying it and seeing it as a "return to form". The fact devs are preparing fans to believe that impossible doesn't fare well for TES6... at all.
>>730818304The thing with Fallout is that its theming explicitly works WITH DEI. If Bethesda had made Fallout 5 instead of saarfield, it would have been more well-received. With post-apocalyptic conditions, you expect a bunch of brown people, so they're way less out of place and jarring and more acceptable to even the most racist gamer. While it's true that Fallout would be better without shitskins, the fact that it has them in it is much less of a detractor due to the world already being a shithole through and through. Nobody wants to see them in space or Elder Scrolls though.
>>730818304>People have higher standards and won't eat our shit anymore Good
>>730822284New Vegas is still unplayable tho at least skyrim was fixed inb4> MoDS fixED iT!well a round of applause to the modders, fuck obsidian the scammers.
I wonder who it is at Bethesda who's absolutely obsessed with ProcGen and "Muh INFINITE gameplay"It has literally never worked for them, they're shit at it.
>>730818304It other words: We couldn't even make it as good as Skyrim was, so now we're worried.
They can't win because 80% of their staff is made up of activists.
>>730821791>video game prioritizes gameplay over realsimThis is precisely why autistic grognards should be ignored.
The only good game Bethesda ever made was Morrowind, and that was an 8/10 at best.
fallout 5 is based off the tv show lore so it's already shit
>>730818304He isn't really wrong. Modded skyrim is better than anything they could ever produce while indie and AA have raised expectation of what a modern RPG is supposed to deliver.
>>730818304just as good as Skyrim
>>730821032You got baited by a clickbait farm.
>>730818304>people said they didn't like it even though journos blew bubbles on my cock :(I CANT WORK UNDER THESE CONDITIONS
>>730819695>they haven't learned anything Anon, they've actively regressed. Starfield is worse than Fallout 4 is worse than Skyrim.
>>730818304>ifgood one
>>730819734>you mean the literal definition of quantity over qaulityHe said Skyrim, not Oblivion.
Be honest, how long am I going to have to wait for Fallout 5? also imo it should be themed in Canada>Huge playable map>Hidden mountain tribes>Mutated polar bears>Innuit Ghoulskino
>>730818304skyrim was pretty bad but it was glazed for being novel (its no longer a novel concept to normies) and for having Soules music ( hes gone) bethesda is cooked and its sad it looks like they have spiritually given up by getting in front of it and saying "you wont like it anyways">even if it was as good as skyrim>skyrim>goodlol
>>730819921They cannot handle the kino.
>>730823207The second point especially. Bethesda jank was charming in the 2000s but it's no longer acceptable when indie studios are now making excellent games.
>>730818304>"You'll still get so many people throwing out hateful commentsSo............it's black and gay while intentionally ugly, then?
>>730820073>copypasted caveFactually untrue btw. You cannot find a single copypasted dungeon in Skyrim.
>>730819921>nowOnly people who are easily amused actually think Skyrim isn't fucking dogshit. Everyone with a fully formed frontal cortex knew it was bad from the get go.
>>730818304>even if it's (only) just as good as our last entry 15+ years agoReally shooting for the moon there lmao
>>730823535>Fallout 4 is worse than Skyrim.its really not desu. Oblivion and skyrim was bethesdas rock bottom. before starfield anyways
>>730819921I played daggerfall-skyrim on release and to this day skyrim is the only game I haven’t finished more than once. it’s not fantasy enough and the graphics aged very poorly even compared to morrowind. combat is also absolutely terrible even with ordinator mod
>>730819921>Retards with zero standards are claiming that Skyrim is good
>>730818304Its funny how you dont just get "hateful comments" when the game isnt shit, isnt it.Your last string of games have been complete garbage, its not "hateful comments", you have just fallen off. How the fuck was Starfield, Fallout 76 and Fallout 4, dont inspire confidence. Your writing is god awful now, and the worlds have just not evolve with modern systems in the sleightest. Instead of looking at the mod scene which seeks to make your games better you ignore them, you dont even take a cursory glance at the sort of things people consider fixes and improvements. Even just minor shit like menus have to be fucking modded because youre just awful at it.
>>730823748kek, what kino?
>>730818304>waaaah mommy they're being mean to meHow the fuck did these people become so pathetically fragile?Skyrim sold 60 million copies. Fallout 4 sold 25 million.Massive numbers. Loadsa wonga.
Surely with AI making it big these days they can integrate it with NPC dialogue no? that would be nice. Also if I were a betting man I would say they are going to try and integrate some online slop into FO5 and ES6
>>730821985I would marry her just based on this clip
>>730818768They need to add names to the NPCs like watch dogs did. And the bounty hunter scanner was perfectly fine to introduce it. Scan and get random name and background.
>>730822367N=1
>>730821106Had Todd had any foresight he could've keep releasing Dawnguard or Dragonborn-tier expansions for years, then curated Creation Club to release only higher quality stuff like Bards College Expansion.
>>730819921Don't listen to soulless baiters.
>>730821864But they're both far worse?
>>730824423Nate Hewspapers
>>730818304The most popular man in the world is also the most hated man in the world but he keeps winning.Basically OP you're a faggot.
>>730824423I actually didn't hate the dialogue options in Fallout 4, it was kind of entertaining not knowing what you would get
>>730818304>even if its as good asthey dont get to decide that. they tried this argument with starfield and everyone mocked them for it.
>>730818304skinned pussies this is why western entertainment industry is fucking over
>>730821926It's neither thoughever.
>>730818304Such a pussy mindset. You cannot create without haters. Oh well. If they truly made something even better than Skyrim, they would have thousands of people falling over them with praise.What a faggot.
>>730818549That stops working when people decide to attack everything you make. They could make and release morrowind today, exactly the way it is, and all the schizos and trend followers would still find a way to rip into it for shit nobody cares about when any other dev does it.
>console shitter cant install an 10 year old mod that fixes vague wheel dialogue
>>730819921>nowYou goofy newfag. /v/ has always been pretty anti-Skyrim as a whole. We have threads because there are people like me that don't care, but this isn't new.
>>730818304They just need to add futas and good nudity in the basegame, saving modders time.
>>730818304>preemptive damage control and blame deflectionBethesda is dead. Everyone with talent has left and been replaced by jeets.
>>730822389>People have higher standards and won't eat our shit anymoreMaybe in better timeline
>>730823207It's sad how once upon a time they used mods as inspiration, like the F3 mod that added settlement building being copied for F4. They've had 15 years to study why people love Skyrim and what type of mods they install (immersion shit, Legacy of the Dragonborn) and they instead released Saarfield.
>>730823854>its really notIt really is.
>>730818304Skyrim was never good.It was promise of good game held together by good atmosphere mostly thanks to soundtrack. It held illusion long enough untill you download mods that made it a decent game by overhauling everything possible. Entirety os skyrim is bunch of fetch quests spread around big map that promise game will finally get good but it doesn't, but by time you realize it you alredy have 100 mods fixing the game.
>>730824012Skyrim's.
>>730825006They're about on par
>>730823873You cannot argue 'graphics aged very poorly' of Skyrim over Oblivion, anon.
>>730819921It's a trope to say "Skyrim BAD" meanwhile you mod and play the game for another 450 hours.
>>730824423hate newspapers simple as
>>730824423
>>730824012>kek, what kino!ftfy
>even if as good as skyrim>IFAren't you kind of supposed to improve from previous iteratio- wait no this is bethesda
>>730824423Reminder:https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1768428547994587.webm
>>730818304>our game is good and the only people hating on it are people that cannot be pleasedThis is literally what children do when they want to block criticism. The industry is devolving to literally toddler mentality.
>>730824743>you cannot criticize a decision the developers implemented in the game because a fan reverted itMaybe the fact it's the fifth most downloaded F4 mod of all time shows it was a bad fucking idea?
>>730821841So which is it? Does everyone love skyrim or is it common knowledge that it's dumbed down slop for retards?
>>730825187I disagree. I'd argue Oblivion did more damage narratively to TES as a setting than Skyrim did comparatively with Fallout 4 taking a dump on every bit of previous Fallout lore.
>>730820718Yeah but youre a nobody.
>>730826079it is, that is why playing bethesdaslop in a piece of shit device that cant handle mods is peak retardation
>>730826163>Space marines but gay
>As good as Skyrimquite the low bar
>>730825863What was the budget of this shit? Oh man over 100 million dollars.
>>730826193and you're not?
>>730818304crazy people want games to get better
>>730821791A location that doesn't look like a videogame is boring, has no quests or interesting characters.If videogames were worse than real life, people here would be outside instead of pretending to play videogames.
>>730818304>Just as good as SkyrimAll these niggers are fucking delusional.
>>730826140Most everyone likes Skyrim and it's the default /v/ opinion to be contrarian. /v/ also thinks it's not a minority when it shits on Baldur's Gate 3 or Witcher 3.
>>730825863Somewhere in development a project lead looked at the dialogue segment and told the writing team: "This dialogue lacks interactivity" and so they added interactivity. Choices having any impact isn't a metric, you're playing a video game and you have to feel like you have agency, but that's all, since the average player won't save scrum to find out if anything really changes.They spent however much making sure the dumb robot could say a million billion player names including immature silly ones though, because that's the kind of key jangling that gets eyeballs on marketing.
>>730824712there are oceans of janky morrowind tier games released daily, but since they don't have 8-9 figure marketing campaigns filled with astroturf and paid reviews, no one cares.so maybe... stop with the astroturf and paid reviews. for every time someone reads a stellar review of what is actually janky shit, they don't think "wow that reviewer was full of shit," they think "wow this game is shit." go back to games made by people who'd want to play that game.
>>730821841It's not a wrong opinion.
>>730824802/v/ even used to be anti-oblivion pre-skyrim release. Because Oblivion dumbed down the rpg mechanics and raped the lore. And Skyrim continued that trend, doing shit like reducing the stats to just 3 and removing spellcrafting. So old /v/ hated it even more. I remember some anon on the day before skyrim's release saying that Skyrim will make newfags say Oblivion was good in a few years. And that anon was fucking right. Guess now enough time has passed that the zoomers that grew up with Skyrim now consider it a good game.
>>730826363>flagrant lie>also MUH SHILLS EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS SHILLEDBut sure, keep pretending people aren't so desperate to whine about post-fallout 4 bethesda they'll make up imaginary issues with loading screens while playing other games with loading screens without a care in the world.
>>730824423tfw you lived long enough to HATE NEWSPAPERS in real life.
>>730826475anon, people in pc gamer magazine in the 90s were publishing articles about the pay for points nature of "games journalism."
>>730826352>you have to feel like you have agency, but that's all, since the average player won't save scrum to find out if anything really changesWhich is funny when you remember one of the most talked about quests in Skyrim is In My Time Of Need, where there's a genuine choice between Saadia and Kematu which changes the entire end of that quest.
The season2 episode 5 was so funny. They walk through a gate at day then it becomes night time instantly. Also the deathclaws are held in place with a tiny little beam on a fence.
>>730826583>he watches the show
>>730826675how can you confirm thats what happened if you didnt watch it?
>>730826747Because the show is so dogshit that something like that would happen.
>>730826583Oh wait you are right. It literally does go from broad daylight to nighttime to daylight again lmao what the fuck
>>730826747I'm saying I don't care what happens in it, fren.
Bethesda shit eaters will never cease to amaze me.
>>730818304Haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love, just put out a decent game this time that doesn't need modders to save it.
>>730826986bethesda has needed modders to save every game since morrowind.
>>730826583it was a load screen
>>730827117Like 10% of the playerbase uses mods, tops. We went over it in the reply chain that started with >>730694946
>>730827612>all people who used mods used this specific modwhat a stupid argument to try to make.
>>730822017Anon it's 2026. Time to let go of Internet drama from 2016
>>730818304>Skyrim but with woke is just as good chud
>>730827612>That's nice. What's even nicer is Skyrim having sold over 60 million copies as of 2023 meanwhile its single most downloaded mod (SkyUI) having 6 million unique downloads total for Special Edition.>What's even nicer is Skyrim having sold over 60 million copiesI assume that is the combined number of every faggy edition>SkyUI) having 6 million unique downloads total for Special Edition.One specific mod for one specific edition.
>>730827721>>730827750The point is that that is *the most* downloaded mod for Skyrim, EVER, regardless of version, and it's still not even 10% of the games' total sales. Most people do not care about mods because they're console playing normies. Mods are a loud minority.
Fallout 5 is gonna be Enclave as the big bad again, right?or some vault-tec remnantsI always found the shadow government part of Fallout the most kino
>>730827730But that was two years before they even showed off the lying gameplay video?
>>730827958>everyone who ever modded skyrim used this specific mod which didn't even exist for most of skyrim's historyAnon. You're fucking stupid.
>>730827958You are mentally retarded. Your argument has no fucking basis when we go by >>730827750
>>730818304Skyrim is 15 years old and they have made nothing but complete dogshit since when the usual expectation is a better and improved upon product over time.
>>730818304hahathey're laying the ground work for why it's ok they gave up, they can't make anything good anymore, and why microslop is forcing them to only make FO76 and other GAAS from now on
>>730818304Wakanda Starfield was the prototype for Elder Scrolls 6. And Fallout 4 and 76 were garbage.
>fags are gonna call it badwho cares
>>730821864>Fallout 4>restore the RPG elements
All they need to do is ease up on the Morrowind clapbait so I can pretend it’s an original setting
>>730826474No, you are wrong. I was actually around back then and there were always tons of Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout New Vegas threads all about people loving the games and doing stupid shit in them. The general attitude on /v/ at the time was that they were fun games regardless of whatever flaws they had.
>>730818304>even if it's just as as good as skyrim>even ifso even that is too much to ask, huh?
>>730828079>SkyUI>"didn't even exist for most of skyrim's history"Yeah there's someone here that's pretty stupid alright.>>730828108>Your argument has no fucking basisBut it does. "Bethesda has needed modders to save every game" falls flat when up until relatively recently all their games have been beloved and it's a statistical fact that 90% of their playerbase has never touched a mod. Pete Hines said the same shit btw back in 2015, that "only 6% to 8% of players" had modded Skyrim in their stats.
>>730818304Just improve your writing Bethesda, that would get rid of a decent chunk of online complaints
>>730826475the child MTX predators at hypixel just released a minecraft clone in year of our lord 2026 and it's doing gangbustersperhaps some devs need to stop sniffing their own farts and make fun games again and stop worrying about haters, messages, quotas and dei.
>>730818304It is true. But only because bethesda is so much worse now
>>730828443>skyrim release date: 2011>skyUI uploaded: 2017You're either a legitimate retard or you're just a shill.
>>730818304>even if it's just as good as skyrim
>>730828573kill yourself immediately
>>730818304>people will throw out hateful commentsIs every game developer now a 22 year old Oberlin college graduate who has never sat in a modern warfare 2 lobby?
>>730820938Why do Red Guard Women have a single + 10 to their stats, but the men get two
>>730828573Are you... are you just pretending to be dumb? Do you realize Skyrim had two releases? Legendary and Special?https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/3863>"Original upload: 17 December 2011"Jesus fucking Christ anon.
>>730818549Hey, cool it with the anti-semitic remarks.
>>730828443>when up until relatively recently all their games have been beloved and it's a statistical fact that 90% of their playerbase has never touched a modI assume that you have some actual proof rather than your mental retardation about SkyUI. It has been downloaded at least 12 million times.
>>730828573>complains about others not knowing what they're talking about when it comes to Skyrim mods>proves he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Skyrim mods because he unironically thought there was no SkyUI until fucking 2017 and PC players played with the console UI for six yearsAnon...
>>730828673he must be one of those mongoloids playing on a console
>>730828759it has been downloaded by at least 12 million people.*
>>730818304Niggers are already starting from a failing position if they can't innovate and improve on a game that's 15 years old this year, and is incredibly bland without mods.
>>730828759>doesn't know what Nexus' unique vs total downloads areBut alright, let's play devil's advocate. That's still only 20% of total players, *after a full decade*, and that's the BEST case scenario. Every other mod you can think of: every weapon, every armor, every follower, every quest mod... is played by *far* less people. Most Skyrim players have not played Beyond Skyrim Bruma. Most Skyrim players have not played Moonpath to Elsweyr. Most Skyrim players have not played Vigilant. Most Skyrim players have not played with a single mod in their life, and so the argument that "Bethesda has needed modders to save their games" is a factually untrue one because most Skyrim players do not give a shit about modding, statistically speaking.
>>730829039>That's still only 20% of total players,I accept your concession. Now move the goalpost, faggot :^)
>>730818304I still believe in Todd. Just make a normal Fallout game, without building crap, and I'm in.
>>730829089There was no concession to be had, thoughever? Did you not read the last 44 words in my post? I mean I get you want to "finish" this argument ASAP because you see no way of winning it but like, you're not even trying. Thus the "unique vs total downloads" part, by the way.
It's because expectations increase with time. The longer you wait to release the sequel, the higher the expectations get until at a certain point you cannot win.anyway people have no faith in Bethesda because of how they fucked fallout and starfield, not anything else.
>>730829195>There was no concession to be had>The point is that that is *the most* downloaded mod for Skyrim, EVER, regardless of version, and it's still not even 10% of the games' total sales>nd it's still not even 10% of the games' total sales>That's still only 20% of total players,I accept your concession.>Counts total sales of all Skyrim editions>Doesn't count total unique downloads of mod for all Skyrim editionsYou are such a disingenuous faggot that it's not even entertaining to be arguing with you.>Did you not read the last 44 words in my post?Of course not. You're a retarded niggerfaggot and lost the plot entirely.
Skyrim was never good and nobody in my friend group liked it. It just looks nice and is comfy but every gameplay mechanic is bad, the story is garbage and its just toddler retard game. Enderal literally did skyrim but good and its fucking amazing
>>730818304so they just confirmed black-nordsno, all they had to do was NOT to fill all the city and important positions with space-niggers
>>730828673That one shows over 25m downloads bro.
>>730829429>That one shows over 25m downloads bro.>Unique DLs>6,849,622Why do I have to point this out for you, retard, I am genuinely on your side. You're both retarded and wrong.
>>730826525>nonsequitur about a random thingEven were that true, that has nothing to do with election tourists spamming 4chan for the past 10 years crying "shill" every time ANYTHING they personally dislike gets discussed by anyone.
>>730828769The only version of skyui that only has 6m downloads is specifically for the special edition.
>>730829503>https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/3863>6.8>https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/12604>6.0
>>730829279There was no concession to be had, thoughever? Can you read?>Did you not read the last 44 words in my post?>Of course notThen you're just admitting your own concession, friend. I read the entirety of your post, and replied accordingly. You confess you reply to what you imagine in your head because you don't read the people you're arguing with. That's alright, everyone else has read our words too. See you around, anon :)
>>730829632>it's still not even 10% of the games' total sales>That's still only 20% of total players,
>>730818549I need gamers to understand that you don't have to send bomb threats when a game sucks
>>730829304Sounds like your friend group sucks. Mine on the other hand plays Skyrim Together... together.
nice
>>730829704You're correct, beheadings are required instead since that way we can avoid developers/managers being promoted or hired by other companies for no reason.
>>730829704They always say this, yet Ive never seen proof of those threats
>>730829497There is nothing random about the long established history of the “pay for ratings” nature of games “journalism.”And shit, we have a paid shill in this very thread desperate to damage control the necessity modding has played in the success of every Bethesda game since morrowind.
>>730818304>"even if it was just as good as Skyrim was"How would they know? They haven't made a game even close to Skyrim's quality since and they won't again because most of the OG talent is gone. They'd have to bring back Soule amongst others if they wanted to make a game as good, but they won't because they're gay brown communists that can't make games now, and that IS by design.
>>730824712>WAH WAH WAH PEOPLE ARE BEING MEAN ON THE INTERNET WAHThis IS you
>>730829782
>>730818304>expectation is that gameplay improves over time>don't improve gameplay>people aren't satisfiedweird how that works
>>730830003neither a threat to a dev, nor about a bomb, nor even a threat at all, you equate a streamer getting swatted, clearly for attention, with a dev getting threats for a bad game?
>>730824712>If they released Mario 1 today, people would be like "What the fuck is this shit????"
>>730818304>Even if it is as good as one of the shallowest RPG's ever madeWhy is their metric for success, total mediocrity?
>>730824712>am I mistaken?>no, it's the customers who are wrongyes, there will be schizos, but if a significant portion of your audience have criticisms about your new game, then it would be hoove you to explore than instead of merely dismissing it
>>730829941The joke is even Skyrim was made by the second string and now they’re on 3rd and 4th rife with diversity hires.
>>730818304The entire internet is literally just 4chan now and normies are full of contrarianism and hate. All new video games are hated. All new movies are hated. Public figures are hated for anything they say. Public figures are also hated for not saying anything at all. Once a politician or party gets into office they can never stay above 50% approval anymore because no matter what they do they’re constantly hated, and while they are out of office they do the hating so they can get elected only to get hated on. Men and women despise and hate each other, it’s even a political thing now. All the races hate each other and look for ways to be victimized, even white people now. 20 years ago something like AI would’ve been seen as a groundbreaking advancement, now it’s hated. The 20s are truly the decade of the hater. Even trolling has become a normie thing, it’s called rage baiting.The thing that is most striking about these new breeds of haters however, is that many cannot take what they dish out like the haters of the past could. Because if the 20s were the decade of the hater, the 10s were the decade of the victim. People were brought up with the idea that being a victim is the most virtuous thing possible, and have now combined victimhood with hatred. Not only is something like AI hated for what it is, people also rationalize that it’s destroying the planet or some shit so they can simultaneously hate while also obtaining the coveted grievance/victimhood they want. It’s truly a toxic cocktail that can only end horrifically for the human race.
>>730818304Then they should make it as good as Morrowind instead?
>>730830350>Skyrim was made by the second stringSkyrim must have been the biggest accidental success in videogame history then.
>>730826352>forgot about the name thing>start playing>name my character my name because idgaf about my looting and shooting experience>codsworth calls my name and i freak outgood game for collecting trash and bringing it back to your "base"
>>730820840>Spanish/Moorish/North African vibesDogshit. Give me pirates.
>>73082399676 is better than starfield. I went in to 76 expecting trash and it's legit better than starfield I'd doesn't have half the technical issues of starfield. It's like they learn nothing from their own older games and don't carryover things they already solved.
>>730830626You're probably gonna get that too, if the Bay is in the game in any way + Redguard member berries for the 3 people that played it and are still alive.
>>730818304At the very least I wish they wouldn't waste time with anything gimmicky (essentially importing too much crap and technology they developed for Starfield) and just make the best, most 'pure', product they can>>730830626nta but all of that includes Barbary stuff so don't worry
>>730830505not accidental, just everyone in the industry being extremely retardedeveryone is dying for a good fpsrpg so bad that and players only option is to put up with the dogshit gameplay of kcd or go back to shitrym and try to fix it with mods, play for 5 hours then delete it again
>>730830505Skyrim owes its success to a strong modding community ready to fix Bethesda’s games for them, with at least three games worth of experience doing just that
>>730820840Original Redguard lore was literally samurai kangz shit mixed with the Nation of Islam. They were probably the most American inspired of the TES races. All that moorish and Arab crap was added in Skyrim.
>>730830960It owes its continued success to that, but it was a huge success even when it first released (despite the terrible menus, combat, inability to jump while sprinting, inability to turn while sprinting etc...)Skyrim did so many things right that people were willing to deal with all the jank. FO4 and SF have the jank but none of the je ne sais quoi which makes people love Skyrim so much.
>>730818304Why are developers massive faggots? If the game is good people will like it, stop getting butthurt about angry comments online and walk away from the screen.
>>730824290This is what’s nuts. They could have gone full GTA online selling DLC, curating creation content. Implementing coop. Their devs are garbage that can’t learn new level building tools
>>730831128Huh? Nation of Islam derive all their shit from Islam you pickaninny
>>730826040It’s because a decision was made that inclusivity meant tolerating even coddling mental illness, so all the mentally ill got each other to hire each other and dominate though intimidation the culture at these places. Remember Bungie’s knitting classes?Women hate men having idle time or meaningful distractions and boy did they succeed in infiltrating and sabotaging male spaces in gaming well Jews and the government helped them
bethesda hates player agency so much they made a tv show so there wouldn't' be any
>>730830960>"Skyrim received critical acclaim upon release. It received a combined 40/40 score from four editors of the Japanese video game magazine Famitsu, the first Western-developed game to do so. Within two days after the game's launch, 3.4 million physical units were sold. By December 2011, this had risen to 10 million units shipped to retail and around US$620 million (~$850 million in 2024) generated. During the first day of release, Steam showed over 230,000 people playing Skyrim concurrently. Additionally, Valve stated that it was the fastest selling game to date on their Steam platform. Steam's statistics page showed the client breaking a five million user record by having 5,012,468 users logged in on January 2, 2012"
>>730824423HATE NEWSPAPERS
>>730826583To be fair the show did correct some shit about Vault Tec causing the war and House and aligned more with canon. I guess they want to make the Enclave the enemy but didn’t we already know about them?
>>730819921old /v/ hated skyrim
>>730831242>the je ne sais quoi which makes people love Skyrim so much.You mean all the marketing?
>>730827993Ehat about it’s actually aliens controlling the shadow government theory?
>>730819217>starts talking about Expedition 33 in a Bethesda thread meds
>>730831452Last of Us is considered the best game ever by critics and normalfags. No one is falling for this.
>>730831452Anon. That’s just paid marketing.
>>730818304It's almost as if Skyrim was a piece of shit that only got away with it because absolutely nobody else was even trying to do open world RPGs (barely anyone else is even now).Seriously, go look at some of the vanilla animations in Skyrim. Literally shit that looks like it was made by a programmer who's never animated before. The questlines were all shit. The world was mostly boring as fuck. The RPG mechanics got even more gutted. The visuals were just fine for the time, at best. NPCs were so bad they literally created an entire meme around them about being fucking soulless and awkward.So that lead is right, because if Skyrim came out today (with better graphics just so we're fair) it would be laughed out of the room.Skyrim was a piece of shit and 10000 mods can never erase that. All Bethesda games are and will continue to be, until they shut that garbage studio down and give the IP to a place that isn't just Todd's incompetent highschool buddies and a bunch of trannies and women.
>>730828191Fallout 4 was almost good and comfy at times. Just a retarded Emil story and incomplete settlement system.Pretty good environments, weapons, dungeons and I had some fun with some settlementsThe biggest tragedy we try starfield is the massive settlement system, the massive number of planets, and nothing to do on them
>>730831603Are what you’re due to take anon.
>>730830407reddit
>>730818304>even if they're better than SkyrimThat's a very low bar. They could still be dogshit
>>730831614The point is that Skyrim was the fastest selling game in Steam to date and had 5 million concurrent players a month before its Creation Kit even came out. Stating "Skyrim owes its success to modding" is funny.>>730831643>That’s marketingThat's every product ever.
>>730831253It's just an Industry cope. Make a bad game and then blame the customers for 'not getting it' or 'having too high expectations' etc... It seems to be Microsoft's ongoing strategy which explains why their videogame division is in its death throes.The customer is ALWAYS right, and this is what killed Bethesda. The customer is the one you need to buy your product so you need to listen to him, and Bethesda does not communicate in the slightest with their customers. I don't give a shit what Todd's vision is, or that the team worked really hard and tried their best, I want ongoing updates and insight into what is happening in the development of their games; they spent 8 years on Starfield and that turned out to be the fattest pile of shit I've played in a long time, but it didn't have to be that way.
>>730819921everyone point and laugh at this zoomer
>>730830407>hurr everyone just hates everythingplenty of games, manga and even movies/tv come out nowadays to critical acclaim.Better Call Saul, Frieren, E33, Elden Ring/DLC, BG3... Etc.You're just retarded.
>>730829134I’d say one airship, one vault and one settlement can be each be built and upgraded and actually help you out a lotI have this rings theory for Bethesda. Inner ring is max custom content, easy difficulty, then it generally gets more difficult with more procedural content the farther out you go until it becomes sort of like Rogue like.You can design in some wrinkles like have quest content far out in the high difficulty rings, maybe build rings around a couple core areas so traversing between them is a big deal with a natural barrier go progression (that can be cheesed).In theory you could keep improving your settlement and its network and upgrading gear to survive further and expand forever.
>>730818549Devs also need to understand that we wont buy games we don't like
>>730829134Unironically the game is fine (if a bit unfinished) and the only parts about it that suck are... Just all of the writing.Fire fucking Emil and I guarantee you Bethesda starts making kino again.
>>730831589Not really. There is something special about Skyrim, I have a dozen friends that have played it and they all have fond memories of it (myself included), but I can't say that for any of their later games. Starfield especially is one of those games that just came and went like a fart in the wind, it's almost as if it never even existed at all.
>>730818629>7 and 6It's not even in the right fucking order and it got me anyway
>>730819921>nowSkyrim was so dogshit it single handedly made me stop getting excited for new releases
>>730832036it's the prototypical 'turn your brain off and go anywhere whoa hueeeeg map' game. Remember it came out in 2011. Nobody was doing that yet.Sure, they did it earlier with Oblivion (Morrowind still required a brain, also Morrowind sucked) but Skyrim was the time they actually put a ton of budget into marketing so it exploded in popularity.There is nothing special about the game, it is painfully generic in every regard.
Reminder Chris Avellone asked Bethesda permission to make a TES spin-off with the Creation Kit, a new game that was to Skyrim was New Vegas was to F3. Reminder they could've revived the Adventures side titles and allowed some other company to make a short, fun pulpy Uncharted-esque side game to further explore Tamriel in a time and place you won't see otherwise like Redguard showing you late 2nd Era Hammerfell under Imperial occupation. Reminder they instead decided to work on such beloved titles as Legends, Blades and Castles, and Todd deflects to "muh MMO is still a thing" when asked about why there hasn't been an actual new TES for 15 years and counting.
>>730818304If Bethesda was concerned about releasing a broken game that people would criticize, it would have never have released Skyrim.Or Fallout 4.Or Oblivion.Or Fallout 3.
People will still buy it purely for the modding capability. Skyrim's continued existence with hundreds of new mods a day is proof.>but muh StarfieldWhich is getting the same treatment because modders figured out it would be an amazing Star Wars game and have made Star Wars Genesis. TES6 will be the same but for fantasy. A new open-box fantasy game with a lot of potential.
>>730818304>getting scared and pissed off by a bunch of incels Lol
>>730831654Skyrim is the perfect example of the normalfag smash hit game. Most of the good in it is art direction and music, put a bunch of simple RPG mechanics on top, and then hype/marketing/illusion of choice does the rest.And it worked fantastically because normalfags are just that dumb.>until they shut that garbage studio down and give the IP to a place that isn't just Todd's incompetent highschool buddies and a bunch of trannies and women.I can only dream that TES and Fallout are finally free of Bethesda one day. But it's impossible. Maybe when we're all 70+ years old or something.
>>730832553>still no lightsabers>still no big questlinesI'll look back in a couple of years but until it stops being a one-man show, it's just going to be stormtroopers and blasters and not much else.
>>730832292Plenty of other AAA games do that and they're not played for 15 consecutive years without any multiplayer component to them.
>>730832292>There is nothing special about the game, it is painfully generic in every regard.You would think so, but somehow it's not. The music, the comfiness, the dragons, the auroras. Just everything about it feels right. I know I'm not alone in this feeling becase it's one of the highest selling games of all time, and the most modded game of all time. Most modders won't spend time on inferior games, only games that they deem worthy since modding is such a time and effort commitment; and that is why Starfield gets about 1/10th of the mods that Skyrim does every week.
>>730832631Actually they just released a trailer for Lightsabers (though bare minimum and will be polished up) and a lot of stuff for the Imperials. I'm not shilling because I'm going to wait a year before trying it, but it's getting there.
>>730832572It'll happen. Sooner than you think, because I can garantee you TES VI will bomb.Every game they've released since Fallout 4 has been worse than the last.Daddy Microsoft is going to go 'Oh, you've spent the last 5 years on this pile of shit that flopped? Okay, into the shitter you go'.I'm surprised they survived Starfield, to be honest.
>>730818304>even if they're better than SkyrimSkyrim was dogshit
>>730832653>Plenty of other AAA games do thatName 2.And I'll bet you neither of them has any real mod support.
>>730818549Not when modern games cost $1 billion to make, market, and publish
They are already coping that they are utterly incapable of making something that would be an improvement on a 15 year old game?
>>730831798No anon. Just because games journalism was always hooked at the anus to the dick of video game publishers doesn’t mean all journalism of all products are as well.
>>730832920Name two AAA games that are designed for consoomers to turn their brain off? It'd be faster to name those that don't do that.
>>730832656>modders won't spend time on inferior games'modders' will mod whatever is easy to modwhy do you think shit like dwarf fortress or CDDA have a shit ton of mods? because they're easy to mod.Skyrim was explicitly made to be VERY moddable. And the size and open ended nature of the game tricks people into thinking 'if I shove 1000 mods into it, it'll be good, even though they still haven't fixed most of the core issues of the game, like the questlines all being fucking awful.
>>730833014Todd's vision is to make bad games. He used to be in the chess club and now he's not so who's laughing now huh?
>>730831591That's not a theory, it was confirmed in Fallout 3 that ayys are behind everything, even the nuclear war
>>730831853>or that the team worked really hard and tried their bestIts always fun to remember the “making of” for oblivion, where it’s just an endless string of the developers going “we had this great idea for x but it was either too chaotic or didn’t work so we scrapped it or just hard coded something to imitate it.”
>>730833104Two AAA games that are very large, open world, and RPGs. And moddable.
>>730831853>The customer is ALWAYS rightIt's hilarious saying this and then watching the countless paid-shills add a redundant 'in matters of taste, CHUD!' afterwards.Weird how the communist-types become mega-corporate types if you dare to suggest THE PEOPLE should have control...
>>730832553With paid mods being continuously normalized I have no hopes for the modding scene of 6, any kind of big overhaul or new mechanic will come with a pricetag and modpacks will be considered haram. I bet even Arthmoor will try to monetize the unofficial patch.
>>730828662The men have 2 bonuses and 3 maluses. The women have 1 bonus and 2 maluses. It's balance
>>730832036The “special” thing about Skyrim is it dropped just as video games were going fully mainstream and it would be the first open world rpg for tons of children.
>>730833270Nah. People just won't mod it because it'll be a turd, like Starfield.Even Fallout 4 has WAY less mods than Skyrim despite selling way more copies.
>>730833270The fuck you smoking? Paid mods were horrendously disliked and many modders worth a damn don't do them. And Modlists with their simplicity are as popular as ever, allowing you to mod to your like.
>>730833194But the argument was Skyrim being the prototypical 'turn your brain off and go anywhere whoa hueeeeg map' game with nothing special to it.
>>730818304Part of it is the expectation of a game 15 years in the making (more like 20 by the time it's out) is an unconscious factoring of more dev time = it must be a much better game to reflect that and if they put in this much time then it ought to be a revolutionary mind blowing experience. But for TES VI I don't think it's going to be nor meant to be, I think they see it internally as just the replacement for Skyrim to fill its place as the TES to go off of for the next decade+ until VI starts to feel too dated like a car wearing out and then replaced only when needed. Skyrim being so successful they could get away with rereleasing it endlessly for so long made the series a victim of its own success. Also likely is the staff is just too turned over and lost too much competence and is pulled in too many directions at once to be able to really focus and give VI the high polish players feel it merits. What I think it needed was uniqueness to stand out in the way Morrowind did - in this world of Unrealslop where one fantasy/medieval game visually looks a fucking ton like the other, you need, you NEED, that very creative out-there art direction and world to stand out. You NEED a world with netches and guars in it that feels alien and makes you not quite sure how to react instead of rats and skeletons and goblins only. I don't think VI is going to be that world. They had several places to do that like Black Marsh, Elsweyr etc and chose one of the most generic zones you can think of. No they are going back to the same place several games already fucking took place in. It'll have less snow and more desert but otherwise look pretty generic.
>>730833443Anon what the fuck are you smoking? Skyrim and Fallout 4 AND Starfield all have paid mods. And they sell!
>>730818304skyrim game out 15 fucking years ago and this game has been in production for years alreadyno shit it needs to be better than the game from 2011 with less than 1/4th the budget. what a fucking joke.
>>730829304Skyrim is an amazing game to this dayin VR with 700 mods
>>730833506I've been playing Skyrim for years and I've never once paid for a single mod. Not once. If you pay for a mod, you're being a retard.
>>730833557>What is the creationclub?
>>730826163>I'd argue Oblivion did more damage narratively to TES as a settingWhat, because it makes more sense for the seat of an empire to be plains and grassland than a jungle? Get over yourself.
>>730833602Like 3 swords and everyone who put their shit on it got rightfully laughed out at the time.
>>730833557just because you don't buy them doesn't mean it's not for sale.
>>730832656>the dragons>not genericNot only dragons are most generic fantasy shit possible but they are also worst fights in entire game because they just fly away and waste your time untill you get specific counter dragon shout from main quest.>Just everything about it feels right. I know I'm not alone in this feeling becase it's one of the highest selling games of all timeAlso sale numbers were provided by Todd "sweet little lies" Howard in interview, not shareholders meeting.>only games that they deem worthy since modding is such a time and effort commitmentSkyrim is easy to mod on purpose, it's more mod engine than actuall game.> and that is why Starfield gets about 1/10th of the mods that Skyrim does every week.Due to bethesda's inability to upgrade game engine without compromising moddability starfield was mess on technical level, that's why main city is 4 fucking loading screen hubs with additional loading screens for entering buildings, engine/devs just couldn't handle it. Starfield is just so fucked up on technical level with loading screens everywhere that is simply better to create starfield mod for skyrim than create mods for starfield.
>>730833506>And they sell!I mean, do they really? I can count what Skyrim mods are worth paying for with one hand and have fingers left over.
>>730818304I dont think I've ever seen a dev pre-emptively lash out at the playerbase before, for assuming they wont like the new game as much as the OG
>>730819921Its okI also liked bad things when I was 15
>>730832483Avellone is a shit writer. Nothing of value was lost
>>730833687Forgot the pic btw
>>730833679>Skyrim is easy to mod on purposeThis guy here acting like modding is making something out of playdough and not something that takes dozens or even hundreds of hours.
>>730833649Anniversary sold like hotcakes and has like 100+ various paid mods in it.>>730833687Yes really. Normalfags are retarded.
>>730818445>>730818304It's cause all their recent games have been so bad and subpar. Starfield alone has killed any hope I had for bethesda. Since i've been playing it i've realized its so much worse than anons ever gave it credit for. They only went through it superficially or didn't actually expand on how bad it is when it first came out.>Everyone is either brown and/or gay/bi/trans>Almost every single white couple has a brown child>There don't even seem to be white kids, or really really rare>All the leaders are either women or brown/minorities>There's only one of each type of dungeon in their non-quest planets, same reused map, same reused dungeon quest>Performance is absymal, makes fallout 4 performance seem incredible>Ost sucks, no actual music like fallout, or banger osts like elder scrolls>Not even a barbershop in starfield, have to do full character change at enhance to change your hair/beard>Incomplete factions to try and sell quests as paid mods through the tracking guild faction. Only an introductory quest to join, and a paid quest on the creation club, after that only radiant quests from a terminal>Endless loading screens, or force fast travel to small location markers like store entrances to avoid the endless loading screens>The obsessive pushing of canadian "culture" products like maple syrup, poutine, pilsner, and other shit that noone else has, making it obvious some canadian company worked on itAnd that's just off the top of my head. It's so fucking bad.
>>730833707I have played skyrim on its release day without having ever played an elder scrolls game before and for the entirety of my hundreds of hours playthrough I just thought it was a mediocre buggy mess. 13 years later it still is but normtards, nostalgia timmies and walking ads say it's the best thing ever.
>>730833946>Yes reallyI'm not seeing it.
>>730818304If Bethesda inexplicably made a really good RPG (Skyrim was mid) I would be the first to say my expectations were subverted and happily play hundreds of hours, this is a cope. It's not like I want games to suck ass, I would prefer the exact opposite of this, modern developers are just fucking hacks.
>>730818542COPE
>Fallout and Elder Scrolls are fine>I just need to rest my eyes a little
>>730831798>in Steam to date and had 5 million concurrent playersNo game on Steam has had more concurrent players than PUBG.
>>730834481Learn to read, anon.
>>730834035It's because gamers are slop eaters. The most impressive part of the current gaming zeitgeist is that companies have managed to make products so bad and services so shit that even a medium of slop eaters are finally turning their noses away at it. It's like somehow turning a pig pen against your food. That's the level of quality games are at nowadays. It's not even a concerted movement with a leader or anything either. People are just completely over buying products so shit the same people who think skyrim is the best shit to ever exist refuse to touch the new trash coming out.
>>730834310>critic reviews>ever trustedRelease skyrim ws buggy mess that simply didn't work, including stuff like main quest being broken because they forgot to include voice lines to critical character making it impossible to progress.Same Metacritic gave Starfield 83%
>>730834508>The point is that Skyrim was the fastest selling game in Steam to date and had 5 million concurrent players a month
>>730818436This lmao.If and even if it's as good as poorly aged slop!
That's a pretty fucking alarming thing to say about a game that they haven't even shown footage of yet.
Genuinely why isnt tes 6 out already? Dont they have the money to hite more devs and get it out already? Dont investors know people have been dying for this game for years?
>>730834546Its funny seeing people be so charitable with skyrim and so uncharitable with cyberpunk. Not to say either game is good or bad, but that we define a games quality by the volume and severity of its bugs and skyrim gets an "Oh you!" and Cyberpunk gets a "KILL EVERYONE AT CDPROJECT!"
>>730834616Probably because Cyberpunk didn't deliver on 90% of what it promised.
>>730834552>During the first day of release, Steam showed over 230,000 people playing Skyrim concurrently. Additionally, Valve stated that it was the fastest selling game to date on their Steam platform
>>730834686So lying and underdelivering is bad?https://youtu.be/hFcLyDb6niA?si=g0p6ApD8ZlQNDa-X
>>730818592I didnt like vanilla on release.
>>730834616Yeah bro they're both completely comparable.
>>730834823Uh huh. See, unlike you I was alive when Skyrim came outhttps://youtu.be/ITXKh9rPHoE?si=RVe7b9xUu20lCnl5
>>730834823Not at all comparable btwhttps://youtu.be/BbX0PcyE8fw?si=ST-g9rL3VVGm3sB9
>>730834773Yes? Did you think I was going to disagree with you? Dumb faggot.
>>730834879That's nice. Now, did Sony pull Skyrim from their stores and did Microsoft offer refunds because it was THAT broken?
>>730834991Rude :(
>>730835018Cyberpunk fans don't deserve kindness.
>>730834997They should have if Cyberpunk is the metrichttps://youtu.be/SmhKHxGoP00?si=m43R1ayLfs0DKyfF
>>730835080>They should haveBut did they?>if Cyberpunk is the metricDoesn't that prove Cyberscam was, in fact, worse?
>>730826257Show some respect, my uncle's nephew works at Bethesda
Already doing damage control
>>730818592Skyrim (without mods) is borderline unplayable
>>730833918I modded a staff into Morrowind when I was a kid
>>730834616New Vegas at launch was more broken than Skyrim, and New Vegas at launch on PS3 wasn't even half as broken as Cyberpunk was.
>bawwww I just wanted to make a worse game and charge you more money for it and receive only good comments about it!what a fucking retardwhy are video games made by such reprehensible faggots and morons these days?
>>730819921Skyrim IS bad. It is carried entirely on its mods. Without mods skyrim would be dogshit and people would've stopped playing it in less than a year.
>former leadThey've got him running defense on a project he's not even working on anymore?
>>730834686Yes it did. They never promised "Cyberpunk GTA" the same way Hogwarts Legacy never promised "Bully in Hogwarts"people run away with the hype train, start making crazy youtube videos with insane theories and rumors start spreading like truth, then people are inevitably pissed when the game is only like 9/10 instead of 15/10
>>730827612>6 million on old rim>another 6 million on seThats assuming every single modder downloaded it. Thats also disqualifing Xbox and ps5 players who no also have access to mods
>>730835292But most people that have been playing Skyrim for 15 years have done so without mods.
>>730829704I'll take Things That Never Happened for 500 Alex
>>730823819They're all made from copy-pasted room/hallway layouts. If I had a Septim for every time I ran into that circular room from Bleak Falls Barrow in another dungeon the Emprie would've conquered Tamriel.
>>730821957to be fair to starfield they did reintroduce things that were removed previously from their games. Like a mute protagonist, and actually showing the dialogue option you're speaking. As well as incorporating perks into dialogue, like medicine, starship design, speechcraft, etc. However they introduced new issues, like 8 billion loading screens pozzing the entire game by making it brown and homosexual everywhere and seemingly hiring 80% of their va's from india and africa.
>>730835053Have you even played 2077? It has all of that stuff dude. None of those promises were broken lmao I bet you follow a lot of outrage grifters on Twitter
>>730835340>Yes it did
>>730818304It's not exactly tough to beat Skyrim, Morrowind already did it 25 years ago and hasn't been surpassed since
>>730834616Never in my life I have played a buggier AAA game than Skyrim, setting the small shit aside I got hardlocked out of the main quest so many times I gave up and finished the story years later. Shit like the first dragon kill not triggering the soul absorb, the mountain grandpas refusing to start dialogue, my character not triggering the tutorial shouts, delphine's wardrobe not opening, no one spawning at alduin's wall, etc. I had to fix those quests with console commands which also caused other stuff to bug out.
>>730835357So were Morrowind's, I don't see anyone crying Vvanderfell's caves were all copypasted.
>even if it's just as good as skryrim-
>>730819921Based!
>>730835395I don't use twitter but it doesn't surprise me that you do.
>>730823996You fuckers are always delusional about this shit. Bethesdas games don't need to improve or be better to succeed, they just need to maintain the lowest possible standard, which they fuckign can't even do anymore. The standard is skyrim, which is a barebones rpg with some immersion possible due to a mute protagonist and accurate dialogue options and some illusion of choice in quests in a big explorable world in fantasy europe or america in fallouts case. This idea that indies have propelled the medium forward and now its not selling cause everyone expects a new standard is the most retarded shit i've ever heard. Especially when your average gamer is a slop eater. No, your average person just expects the most basic level of competency and to not be spammed with infinity jeets and africans during the game, that's it. And they can't even meet that fucking bar anymore.
>>730835463You were probably playing with mods on a weak PC. Probably also had 4chan, twitter, and a youtube video open at the same time, all installed to the same drive. I notice this is usually the case when people insist that a game is insanely buggy.>>730835668I don't. So it's just youtube ecelebs for you, huh
>>730835719I don't follow ecelebs. Why are you projecting so much?
>ITT: pussymad FOTM gamers arguing against the GOD known as The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
>>730835719I didn't want to say it earlier, but this user is definitely employed by bethesda
>>730818304>w-we can't make a game as good as a game from 15 years ago when our team size was 20% of what it is now while we are also touting AI as being the savior of developmentreally makes on think
>>730835803Why are you sharing a picture of your bed?
>>730835797Actually that's the kid who was named Skyrim
>>730835838It's a couch retard.Look at the backrest
>>730821548>Skyrim has the best dungeons in the series by a mile.You are suppose to pick the imagine that cherry picks a bad morrowind and oblivion dungeon and a good skyrim dunegon but you posted the cherry pick image showing a boring as fuck linear skyrim dungeon.
>>730835864You should probably clean it.
>730835719Shit eating console pajeet I dare you to complete the main quest in Skyrim 1.0
>>730835573Morrowindfags already don't care that all the dialogue is copy-pasted, why would they care about the caves?
>>730828656>Is every game developer now a 22 year old Oberlin college graduate who has never sat in a modern warfare 2 lobby?Devs these days are too weak to handle even 10 minutes of 2009 xbox live, which makes them mentally weaker than most kids of the time. Kinda surreal to see it play out
>>730836125Morrowindfag here, we cared about caves and dungeons which is something Oblivion and Skyrim fail to deliver on and that's yet another reason we shit on them. Granted I like those games for other reasons. Point being shut your stupid ass up, you clearly don't know what we like.
>>730835395NTA but.2 Cyberpunk story was linear as fuck.3 mechanics are not even close pen&paper source material, it's looter shooter with leveled gear and your super pistol is now dogshit because you gained 5 levels. Meanwhile pen&paper was more focused on realism and bullets would fuck you up easly and your 1911 pistol would stay the same 1911 pistol, you progressed by having better skill with it, getting better cyberware or simply dumping your pistol for bigger one that was completly new gun firing diferent ammo instead of 1911+1.6 Cyberpunk set new standard of how bad launch could be, but it didn't do anything new for RPG genere and took 2 years to fix the game.
>>730818549Bad press is bad for convincing investors to invest. So they make games to the lowest common denominator to make investors happy cause they think that is what people like. When the product doesn't get good press then it is either the company that made it or the customers is wrong, never the investor.
>>730818304>hateful commentsSo, it will be gay and retarded like starfield...
>>730818304Notice how all the media pivoting happened after Microsoft bought them
>>730835803>deletedDid you get banned or just warned? About off-topic shit, right?
>>730818304/v/ hates everything even if it's better than anythingWho gives a fuck
>>730836369dunnotest
I didn't read the thread but I only pay attention to and care about FromSoft games now. Sekiro, Elden Ring, AC6 and Nightreign are all new and already certified classics. No one else makes good new games but them. Thanks for asking.
>>730821032>and Fallout not having anything to release as their pumping a show out for free marketing is legit baffling.Its worse than that, they've been adding updates for paid mods to FO4 that has broken the game for over a year now or something. Any TV retards they could cash in on are being completely fucked over by their sheer incompetance.
Bethesda hasn't made a good game in 20 years
>>730836402Oh right, they don't always hand it down immediately. Well hopefully you're a little more familiar with what's appropriate to post on /v/ when you're licking boots.
>>730818304skyrim was dogshit at release tho
>>730819921oblivion fags think because their game had skills it's somehow better than skyrim despite the correct order being 3 > 5 > 2 > 4
>>730836521yeah everyone should just bitch cry and moan about all video games forever you faggotwhen's the last time you even played a video game? and no, logging into a phone game to collect your dailies doesn't count
>>730836559Nah.
>>730826332>Most everyone likes Skyrim Incorrect. Only people who were ten when it came out claim that Skyrim is actually good. Sort of like how prequel revisionists think they're not alone when they try to claim shit like Revenge of the Sith doesn't suck.
>>730818304>damage control before the games are even released or even announcedShit is looking promising
>>7308365793>2>4>>>>powergap>>>>>skyrim(action game)
>>730836586Here's a screenshot from last night!
>>730820856>russian UIlol
>>730836559>at releasedidnt know it got better
>>730836719only mods got better
>>730836579Based and true.>>730836629Cringe and false.
>>730818304Well, yeah. They have to make a game better than Skyrim. It's been 15 years.
>>730836610Statistical evidence about that?
>>730818436>>730834553>>730818542I think the idea is relative, being that the game now is as good as Skyrim was then. I swear the iq of average /v/irgin is abysmal.
>>730836849Statistical evidence about the initial claim?
>>730819921I've been saying Skyrim is a bad game since 2011.
>>730836579>oblivion fags think because their game had skills it's somehow better than skyrimThis is true. Skill points alone make Oblivion far more interesting than Skyrim. Also it's written better. The only thing Skyrim has going for it is much better artstyle.
>>730818304If it has godawful writing anywhere near Fallout 4. then yeah I'll probably be disappointed.
>>730836629sorry, but as somebody who has actually played and enjoyed DF, it's not a better video game than skyrimDF is very fun and skyrim has a lot of problems (namely losing skills) but I can still put hundreds of hours into skyrim, whereas I've only done a handful of DF playthroughs large because it really only has two builds: sword guy or magic (and sword) guyI'm looking forward to The Wayward Realms though - shame about Lefay - hopefully they'll still produce a good game with him goneI guarantee it'll be better than TESVI
>>730836916
>>730836902Oh really because I think the idea is they're running damage control for games they haven't even fucking shown footage of yet which tells me they're lacking confidence in what they've developed so far.
>>730821548Morrowind gets away with having dungeons like that because you can just give yourself 1 Levitation 500 Speed and spiritually noclip through every room and hallway.
>>730837025There you go. Remember, burden of proof lies on the person who makes the initial claim. Now it's his responsibility to provide the counter.
>>730837031>they're running damage controone dude said one thing about how the internet outrage machine is running fucking wild (fueled by fags pushing crazy shit to make money from the controversy) and this whole thread is proving him right lmao
>>730836586I don't play vidya, just video poker
>/v/ is fighting back against the toddbotswhat a based thread, not even one actual fanboy left after 76 and starfield
>>730836992>Skill points alone make Oblivion far more interesting than SkyrimSkills barely affect gameplay in the short increments a level-up introduces, because unlike a game with skills like NV, Oblivion doesn't use them in dialogue and their mechanical effect is negligible until you hit the 25/50/75/100 thresholds, which work like Skyrim perks. So yeah, unironically, and with as many of them as boring as they are, a Skyrim perk per level makes a playthrough more interesting than Oblivion's skill points.
>>730837074Yeah see I'm just kinda looking at the last few things Bethesda released and I've gotta say I think people are right to be concerned.
>>730837132>skyrims 5% damage increase perks are better than jumping over the moonYou're a fag
>>730837126Todd isn't going anywhere. You WILL buy ES6 and FO5.
>>730818304what did he mean by this? i don't like fallout 3 as much as 1. i don't like skyrim as much as oblivion. i don't like fallout 4 as much as new vegas. but i still like fallout 3, skyrim, and fallout 4.
>>730833742decent bait. you should bring up the accusations against him next time though, that always drums up replies.
>>730818304>Oblivion: SHIT>Fallout 3: SHIT>Skyrim: SHIT>Fallout 4: SHIT>Fallout 76: SHIT>Starfield: SHIT>Fallout: New Vegas: So good, that Todd is seething about it to this very day.I'm not even being hateful. I'm just saying how it is. If Todd makes a good game, then I will praise him, but I don't see that ever happening.
>>730837192>anon cannot readMany such cases. Sad!
>>730832553>Which is getting the same treatmentFrom what i've seen, it's not. Starfield barely gets any endorsements or views. Skyrim destroys it despite being a 15 year old game, fallout 4 beats it despite being like a 10 year old game. Even fallout new vegas beats it. The game is largely forgotten from what ive seen. There is even a long-standing bug with MO2 where it doesn't register shattered space and of bethesda's dlcs and keeps turning them off in the load order despite them always being on by default. People just don't give a shit about the game.
>>730837126I hate astroturfers more than anything on the internet and I mean it. The only way to deal with these people is treat them like what they are: subhuman.
>>730837243how's life past the big 50th birthday? You still play Duck Hunt and Mario, or what?
>>730837193>You WILL buy ES6I didn't even buy Skyrim. So what makes you think I will buy TES6?>and FO5I didn't even pirated Fallout 4 so whoy would I bother pirating Fallout 5?
>>730822284>implying New Vegas is better than Starfieldlol
>>730820856Charlie Kirk was a paid stooge for Jewish Zionists. You rightoids are fucking dumber than redguards.
>>730837339>astroturfersNot everyone who disagrees with you, or likes a game that you don't like, is an astroturfer. Believe it or not, some people actually enjoy playing video games and don't define themselves by it.
ESO is one of the better MMOsSkyrim is dogshitFallout 76 is fun with friends4 is dogshit
>>730832572We'll always have open morrowind.
>>730837132People are not ready for this conversation. In Skyrim it always feels like you have somewhere to put a perk point into, you're always in need of 'em. In New Vegas every level up gets you closer to a handful of possible dialogue skill checks + a perk. In Oblivion the most noticeable thing about levelling up is you getting weaker because level scaling is fucked.
>>730837457I agree!I still think astroturfers should eat shit and die.
>>730837440>Charlie kirkAww don't say that, reminds me of that tragedyhttps://youtu.be/f5XNplSFiTo?si=FQZ1XE-prrWMi1iw
>>730837502Skyrim is a good game. Yes I also like Morrowind and Dwarf Fortress. Deal with it faggots
>>730818304>implying Skyrim was good>they aren't even sure they can match itJesus Christ...
>>730837552I like all those games too! What was I supposed to deal with again?
>>730818549it's ok to not like a game, but just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean it doesn't have a right to exist and be enjoyed by others.
>>730837601I bet you can't handle Exanima, punk nuts.
>>730837563Worst of all isn't that they've identified skyrim as good, but rather that it sells, and therefore they have no need nor will to make actual RPGs ever again, enjoy your action game with numbers
>>730837630Agreed! I love how you keep trying to play the reasonable guy. So transparent.
>>730826079I like it, it allowed for voiced protagonist dialogue and makes me feel immersion.>noooo I can't roleplay as a gay furryI consider that a plus, yay for voiced protagonist!
>>730836992>Skill points alone make Oblivion far more interesting than Skyrim.I personally disagree. Skills actually mattered in Morrowind and DF because they affected your ability to successfully perform an action. Combat skills in Morrowind (and DF) affect your ability to hit the enemy at all. Fights are slow and painful in the early game while being quick and easy later on. It applies similarly to non-combat skills too; lots of failure when you're still learning but seemingly "easy" success when you're a master. It properly reflects how much your character has grown. In Oblivion they just make your damage number bigger (and give perks) which is ultimately only necessary because of enemy level scaling. I do think people over-exaggerate losing mysticism but athletics, H2H and especially acrobatics were all really ridiculous cuts. I think if they just rolled acrobatics into athletics and kept that it'd have been enough. H2H is such a weird cut though, especially with the introduction of the kill camera and the really amusing ones H2H kills get.>Also it's written better. "this shit smells better"
>>730837457>Believe it or not, some people actually enjoy playing video games and don't define themselves by it.cool, stick to that and dont spew bullshit such as the 7/10 game with the help of mods is a must play game of the century 11/10 vanilla experience
>>730837630Your posts glow in the dark.
>>730837540Kiryu Kirk is a cursed image I didn't need to see tonight.
>>730837650I'm sure Exanima is a great game too! Any other games you'd like to namedrop? I'm all ears.
>>730822382>NV without RaulBlasphemy.
>>730818304Starfield was shit, how are they incapable of understanding this.
>>730818304>preemptive damage controlBethesda bros, it's not looking good for us...
>>730837727It's 7 or 8/10 by itself, 9 or 10/10 with mods.
>>730831603You should get some prescription glasses
>>730836902>skyrim>good
>>730837748Its Kirku Kiryu, baka gaijin
>>730837752Songs of Syx, if you like in-depth city builders and civilization simulators.
>>730834616cdpr was dmcaing pictures on /v/ when its bugs first got leaked for one. Two bethesda while buggy still functions, base cdpr you couldn't even be chased by police theyd just let you run away at first. Cdpr was also originally supposed to be an actual cyberpunk rpg, but they changed it to wank off keanu reeves. They also went full polish cuck and made the only male romance for a female V a black indian dude.
>>730831903Better Call Saul sucked, everyone hated it.
>>730837912Cool, cool. So uh, what was I supposed to be dealing with again?
>>730837958That Skyrim is a good game. And so is Oblivion.
>>730837852lol
>>730837852i know you are memeing but its funny how not even skyrim toobers that play nothing else still cant stomach vanilla skyrim
>>730820368Reminds me just before Starfield launched they were saying "there's no universe where Starfield is regarded as a good enough game to buy an Xbox for."
>>730837976Agreed! I don't get it, why would I have to "deal" with an opinion I agree with?
>>730818304Yeah I can see hating the last game, but people ALWAYS whined about Bethesda games. Always. It's annoying.
>>730837993Not memeing at all, big fella. But yeah it's true that once you've played a game modded, it's hard to go back to vanilla.>>730838005You'll just have to live with it.
>>730838041Live with what, anon?
>>730835897i'm a big fan of >here's a giant morrowind dungeon, the biggest ayleid ruin, and a cave you start next to in skyrim. like come on, naturally tutorial cave won't be as good as grimjaw's rapefuck manor.
>>730837691>>730837737That was my only post in this thread, retards.
>>730838084>grimjaw's rapefuck manorthe... the guy from bleach? that sounds like a fun dungeon
>>730838148Thanks for the blog update!
>>730837440DRIVE ANON DRIVE!
>>730818304Have they ever thought about just making good games instead of shitty ones? Guessing no.
>>730838041>even the contrarian timmies agree that vanilla skyrim is unplayable dogshitheh
>>730837132>Skills barely affect gameplay in the short increments a level-up introduces, because unlike a game with skills like NV, Oblivion doesn't use them in dialogue and their mechanical effect is negligible until you hit the 25/50/75/100 thresholds,You've never played the game. Oblivion's skills affect the power of everything you do. They are very much akin to New Vegas's skills, except also you can change them much more freely on the fly with magic and potions.>>730837493Skyrim's perks are the most boring shit ever. >>730837709>Skills actually mattered in Morrowind and DFSkills and attributes mattered even more than they do in Oblivion, but they still mattered a ton in oblivion. They affected everything from weapon and magic damage, spell effectiveness in armor, movement speed, stamina costs and regeneration speed, magicka costs and regeneration speed, the exchange rates at stores, the willingness of NPCs to intervene if you are attacked, and dialogue with almost everyone in the game (albeit, not in enough cases relevant to quests). Also real time dice roll combat is shit, which is why nobody else was doing it in the early 2000s.
>>730818304>Fallout 5 and Elder Scrolls 6never coming out
>>730838290>timmiesyou can't even afford a gaming PC, brown guy
>>730837074>one dude said one thing about how the internet outrage machine is running fucking wildgood games are still getting praised all over the internet (and here) retardsilksong and E33 were discussed and loved by many
>>730838389I see more people bitching about those games than people saying any good about them.
>>730838308>You've never played the gameBut I have.>Oblivion's skills affect the power of everything you doBlade going from 30 to 35 effectively means jackshit for the player.>They are very much akin to New Vegas's skillsExcept for NV's aforementioned use of them in dialogue and even weapon requirements.
>>730838432Leave /v/ once in a while.
>>730838432curious, I see more people saying any good about them than bitching, and I'm basically all day here
>>730838462Unfortunately, everywhere else is even shittier and whinier, or just ultra corporate with paid employees as mods, so there's not anywhere else to go for good and genuine conversation.
They literally could copy and paste the gameplay and combat from Skyrim, upgrade the graphics and focus on making a good story and immersive world, and the game would be universally praised. Instead, they will waste 10 years making a 400 GB pile buggy woke slop. They always have to try to fix something that's not broken.
i love skyrim and todd "the god" howard is my personal jesus
>>730838540I would never define conversation here as good or genuine.
To the nigga defending skyrims perks, I'm convinced you're thinking of the modded perk trees. Vanilla perks are terrible lmao>10% damage increase on Wednesdays after dark if youre crouching in active combat dual wielding knives(illusion tree)
>>730838605sometimes it is, especially in slower threads. and it's still better than anywhere else
>>730838620that meme does not apply to skyrim, the perks are genuinely good (though boring compared to what morrowind and oblivion had)
>>730818304>Even if its just as good as Skyrim people will still be madMaybe because Skyrim fucking sucks?
>>730818304god I hate skyrim and the console kiddies that defend it
>>730838540You're a DENSE motherfucker. I'm telling you to leave /v/ once in a while so you can see that opinions here are not necessarily the majority. God damn it's like talking to a child.
>>730838620those are enchantments you're thinking of. perks are much more straight forward like >two handed attacks do 25% more damageor my favorite unga bunga perk>sideways power attacks hit everyone in front of youthat on a paralyzing two handed weapon is so fucking funny. everyone that doesn't instantly die just flops onto the ground for 3 seconds, so you just wind up another one.
>>730838727You don't actually see people's opinions anywhere else, dumbass. The stuff with the most votes is not actually reflective of reality
>>730838727Elsewhere it's>what the mods agree with>what the algorithms agrees with and is promoting>what the journos were paid to think>what the herd animals are saying to fit inonly here do you get the raw, unfiltered, usually dogshit opinions genuinely from a person
>>730837708>I want things to be worse for me because then it will be worse for people I dislike too!Why do I keep seeing this argument everywhere?
>>730838620See >>730837248. What part of "with as many of them as boring as they are" from >>730837132 do you believe ignored the issue? The point is that yes, even with perks like "one-handed does 5% more damage" you have others like "you can roll while in stealth" or "blocking slows down time and allows you to move around the enemy" or "you can zoom-in while aiming with a bow" or "armor doesn't slow you down at all when worn" or "once a day you heal 250 points when you fall below 10% death" or "dual casting a spell with both hands overcharges its effect" or "you can barter stolen goods with regular stores" or "sprinting with a shield knocks down people in your way" or "sideways power attacks can hit multiple targets" or "soul gems provide extra magicka for recharging". Any of these, at any given time, will prove more game/build changing than leveling up Alteration from 25 to 30 in Oblivion.
>>730818304Skyrim is shit though.
>>730838436>Blade going from 30 to 35 effectively means jackshit for the player.This is largely the case even in morrowind. >Except for NV's aforementioned use of them in dialogue and even weapon requirements.Trying to use a weapon in oblivion with shit stats will result in using up all your stamina and doing no damage
>>730839085>blud thougt he cooked with "you can roll while in stealth"Lmao
>>730839246I'll accept the concession, friendo.
>>730835131>But did they?NTA but is it your position that there are no games more broken than Cyberpunk because Cyberpunk was taken off the shelves? If Cyberpunk were NOT removed from the shelves, would it be less broken?
>>730839505>is your position that there are no games more broken than CyberpunkNo, it's my position that Skyrim was always less broken than Cyberpunk. As made clear by >>730834823 as a response to >>730834616. Stop getting mad at phantom arguments in your head.
>>730839747>t. Toddbot
>>730831654>Seriously, go look at some of the vanilla animations in SkyrimI love the way every NPC turns and looks at you and bends their spine backwards even if they're taller than you. It's very natural and increases my immersion.
>>730839834>no argumentFigures.
>>730818304They let so much time pass that honestly their engine, game dev philosphy, and quest design is dates as fuck. We saw this with starfield. Maybe if they hadn't sat on their fucking hands for over a decade and actually made something good they wouldn't be so afraid of the hate.
>>730840029>2020lets see 2011 skyrim's kino webmz :)
>>730840810Go ahead, friend :) here's also a more recent one for (You)!
