Are there examples of a qualityslop? When textures, details have a higher quality, but there is no artistic vision whatsoever?
god i wish people were human beings againlearn to articulate yourself with your own words
The demake plague is a prime example of why videogames aren't art or, more precisely, they're not perceived by their audiences as art and THEREFORE aren't art. If the very deliberate artistic and aesthetic choices can be arbitrarily changed by random Pajeet and not only is not looked down upon, it's actually actively encouraged by the media (see: bluep*int's generally good reputation) and the audience then they never mattered in the first place.These same people that don't see games as art will then be funneled into the industry, spread their mindset, and the cycle continues.
>>730820687Demon souls remake gave me what I wanted - a pretty faithful remake of a game I loved. I don’t want a reimaginaing or a new story or a new artistic vision, just give me a remake.
>>730820687Demons Souls Remake is probably the low point of quality slop. Every texture was scrubbed of any atmosphere to make sure every pixel was as high def as possible. Another example would be the Dead Rising Remake.
>>730821045That's a really retarded and arbitrary way to define 'art'.Stop using art as a synonym for 'taken seriously' that's a definitional error.
>>730820687>>730821337THat said, I think fidelity slop would be a better term
>>730820846You was never human
>>730820687>>730820846Here, I'll trasnlate.>I'm mad that they made a visual representation of me in a game.
>>730820687Should be called "fidelity slop."
>>730820687>no art directionevery UE4 and UE5 game.they just do the simple trick of adding thick volumetric fog so all the colors unify, making you think they worked hard to nail down the artstyle
>>730820846The problem is that there's literally a character limit when it comes to posts that anons will respond to or comprehend. Too many words and they'll just tune it out. This is the unfortunate result of that.
>>730821785Yes, that's a good thing, it literally serves as a filter?>Bro net fishing sucks there's literally a limit to how small the fish get and the tiny fish just swim through the holes and don't clog up the net to make room for more big juicy fish, this is terrible for some reason!
>>730820687Pretty much every single re-release by SquareEnix.The most offending ones: Sleeping Dogs Definitive Edition & Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut.
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>>730821243You didn't love Demon's Souls if you think it respected the artistic vision
>>730822197"Visual clarity? What's that?"
>>730821337god I fucking hate that demake so muchI hate Capcom so much because of this, how do you make a game from 2006 look worse
>>730821879Maybe, but it also means that thoughtful takes will never gain traction compared to the meme images, so you aren't ever going to be able to influence anything.
>>730820846>learn to articulate yourself with your own wordsOP wants examples of Fidelity without ArtistryIf you couldn't figure that out then you should have stayed in school
>>730822287Thoughtful takes rarely gain traction, normalfags are retarded, if your shit is the most popular thing that doesn't mean it's good, it's better to say something good and talk to intelligent people than to make the statement equivalent of HIV so that it can spread as far as possible while being awful
>>730822429Telling someone they're talking like a retard doesn't mean you can't comprehend what they meantIf a guy says>DURR MEE BUMBUM ITCHY ME ME HAVE BIG BIG ITCH ON BUTT PLACE ME SADD ):1. I perfectly understand that his ass itches2. I still think he's a moron
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>>730822429So this is a great example of just how much leaning on modern light rendering has fucked video games on a visual level.Awesome castle interior model and bigass monster that NOBODY CAN FUCKING SEE CAUSE THE ART TEAM WAS TOO BUSY JACKING OFF TO FUCKING GOD RAYS LIKE IT'S 2009. Nothing about this game will ever stick in anybody's mind, it has no aesthetic whatsoever beyond looking like generic, overproduced movie CGI.
>>730822525I thought the Max level was 50
>>730821879It's not a filter that works because they don't fucking leave. See the state of the board today.
>>730822574You can see its movementAnd its movement looks like they mocapped the janitor trying to do interpretive dance in slow motion
>>730822276They literally changed the whole environment from a rocky mountain to a grass field, what's even the point of this?At what point you stop remaking and just invent a different game?
>>730820846Hi sis
The thing that bothers me the most is the erasure of the original game. Every year, you get more and more people recommending the remasters of classic games, even when it's well-documented that they're inferior in multiple, meaningful ways. And in the worst instances, the original games become less accessible to the average player.
>>730824331This is the most modern /v/ reply imaginable
Sorry IFinishedAVideoGame, the art direction sucks.
>>730820687Any game where the team has decided to model the ugly female protagonist's pores and stubble.Politics is taking priority over art there, and the people driving it are some of the least creative people that you'll ever meet.
>>730823690They had prefab assets for a grass field, that's why it was changedNone of these remakes spare the budget for actual artists, that's the problem described by the thread. It is extremely easy to make "AAA" "Quality" videogames which are technically impressive but look like shit due to no artist input, simply by dumping stock realism assets into the latest jeet-proof industry game maker engine and then pressing the realistic lighting presetThe most insane part of this is finding out just how many demi-human skin walkers there are who can't even tell the difference because they have no soul or concept of aesthetics. Every day I hear "people" telling me that PoE2 looks good
>>730822197>>730822276It's so backwards.>OG has atmospheric fog>remake removes it>OG has little to no atmospheric fog>remake adds huge amounts of fog for distance and "realism"These niggas are given a recipe and decide to fuck with it and add their own shitty spices where it doesn't belong.
>>730820846>reddit spacing. you will never be a real human or a woman.
>>730821243You’re a nigger and a liar. KYS. The fact faggots defend that atrocious OST anddd the fucking pristine banners in the tower knight boss arena(as if the kingdom is still alive and functioning)should be fucking LYNCHED
>>730825296Newfag
>>730822525The simplification of UI has sucked so badly. I never played the game in your pic and only know from gmods that the guy is a photographer and journalist. The top image looks like a news broadcast and the bottom looks like a bland game menu. Not just remakes suffer from this, but new games in general always design a UI with maximum efficiency without any style or personality. It is possible to do both style and ease of use. And even then, some new UI are retarded to use.
>>730825476yeah it was very "reporting live at scene" vibes.
>>730821740Amazing how SMT IV on a fucking 3DS had a much better atmosphere than SMT V
>>730820846you only hate the new idoms because you're an anti-social contrarian and an unc and you feel closer and closer to deathyour entire vocabulary is filled with memes you no longer even noticemany you were never even aware of
>>730821243Imagine if low effort trolling like this was banned
>>730827723see what i mean? LLM-brain replyyou don't know what i meant but you pre wrote texts about what you hallucinated i meant and the meaning to comprehension connection was no longer requiredbeep beep boop
>>730822429lmao at his cute ballerina spins that don't even lower the sword enough to hit you
Perfect recreations of reality are now easy to achieve by simply copying reality and throwing hardware at it. But with no art direction your perfect recreation of reality has no more artistic value than a random streetview image. When we couldn't access that level of fidelity we had to instead create an abstraction, and an abstraction requires you to make choices. You can't have all of the detail, so you have to choose which details are important, you can't have "real" light so you have to consciously choose how you're going to light the scene, manually placing light and shadow and highlighting what you think matters, you can't just 3D scan an object or mocap a person so you have to think about how things should look and how they should move. All of the choices required to create abstracted visuals are artistic choices and it's these choices made by human beings which communicate information to the player. You know through these choices what the artist wanted you to look at, what they saw value in, what they thought was important and wanted to keep, what kinds of feelings they wanted to evoke. Those choices provide the actual Soul and aesthetic of your gameWhen you achieve perfect realism all you have succeeded in doing is removing all of the human decisions which gave your visuals character, leaving you with empty slop
>>730820687HIS SMILE AND OPTIMISM...
>>730820846Yeah mindslop is the worst.
>>730827723>anti-socialget a load of this incel lmao
>>730820687Any Korean game lol
>>730821879too many words, I tuned out and didn't understand.
>>730822429>2013 graphics If a game that looked exactly like this released today it would need a 4090 with framegen to hit 1080p 60.
>>730820687Can't you just say>"Any other examples of games where improved graphics ends up looking worse than the original?"Why do you have to fall back on buzzwords that mean almost nothing?>>730820846People are only mad at this guy because he's right.
Chinese action games.Bright lights and 1 trillion particle effect do not a good looking game make
>>730822574It's mainly the fact that realistic lighting combined with high density of object detail results in a muddier final image. Visuals design in a video game is meant to serve gameplay purposes, to be "functionally pretty". Simulation for its own sake will obscure critical information, like a tech demo with no consideration for the player experience.
>>730820687Every single remaster and remake ever.
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>>730820846This. OP isn't wrong, he's just making himself look like a faggot even when he's right.Demon's souls remake is TECHNICALLY impressive for its graphical fidelity and how clean and sharp everything looks. But the art style suffered and it doesn't even look like Demon's Souls anymore.
>>730822278>>730821337This is fluff, the real issue was they casualized the game and added time skips, butchered the entire game overall on top of the censorship
This has really been bothering me lately. This remake thing. Not for any game in particular just these seemingly unending drive by "gamers" to have the past regurgitated back in them with varying levels of quality. When im at work I spend time browsing normalfag forums and Reddit and whatnot and its unending. COULD CAPCOM REMAKE THAT? WHY DOESNT NINTENDO REMAKE THAT? I CANT BELIEVE EA ISNT FUCKING UP DEAD SPACE 2 ALSO!???It's a legitimate cultural sickness or something. Just let these games be the classics they are. You can play them if you want and if you dont like it, that's fine, Citizen Kane is boring as shit, imo. You know? What happened to the desire for new experiences?
>>730827961he responded directly to your reply nailed it in one. you saw as much, malded, then replied in a vague, snippy enough way that you hope to weasel out of your obvious retardation on a technicality. no ones words are their own. new phrases scare you because no one told you about them and you fear exclusion from the pack. too late.
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>>730838302>Original>Le Reddit
>>730821740If not for the file name I couldn't even tell what game this was kek
>>730820687this remake would've been amazing if they actually remade the game and not just asset flip it. Man they would destroy bloodborne.
>>730839867There's been an effort, and I'm not sure if it's intentional or just a happy accident, that established this idea that old game = bad game or more favorably that it's not as good as it could be if it was made now.
