Which one /v/?>3 niggas in a row>4 niggas in a row>5 niggas in a row
>>7308217593 but you get 7 party members and you're forced to bench 4 of them, they gain no exp when benched, and you will temporarily lose party members due to story reasons and they take their equipment with them.
>>7308217594 is ideal number. 3 is for special snowflakes and 5 is too many to manage and it becomes an unfun logistical nightmare.
6 with formations and extra members with support roles.
5 is the best because it lets you have guys that can do hyper specific things while still having the basics covered fully
>>730821935You son of a bitch
It depends on the system. ATB works better with 3 imo, typical turn based with 4, and I could see a system like FFXII working with more party members if the gambit system were improved a little.
>>730821935legend of dragoon?
>>730821935Devilish
>>73082175918 niggas in 5 squads
>>730821935You forget not being able to get rid of the mc.
>>7308217593 niggas running around in action rpg combat
5 worked pretty well for Etrian Odyssey. 4 to 5 characters I feel gives you enough room to meaningfully customize your team. 3 just isn't that flexible.
Think bigger. 100 niggas in a row.
>>7308217593<4<5
>>7308217595
>>730821759Math is to hard. I hate this question.
>>730821935don't forget the obligatory section where you are forced to use your least favorite under-leveled character(s)
>>730821759The maximum number of enemies that can be in an encounter divided by 2 rounded down.
16 niggashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Cc2zuWIa0
>>730821759The more niggas, the merrier.
Nine
Thirty five niggas spread across two rows.
>>730821972Anything less than 5 is boring
>>7308217595 niggas on a chessboard.
>>730826601why were there no women or POC in the fellowship?
>>730827106isnt that 16 niggas
>>730827297Not an actual literal chessboard. I mean FFT-likes. Need more of these. Way more.
>>730821759one nigga in a row
Making a sailor moon rpg in rpgmaker. The combat revolves around>4 niggas in a row>Enhanced front/back row concept>5 rows that make up the battlefield(enemy/ally front/back rows and neutral middle row>different skills have different ranges>Double+triple techs like chrono trigger>most skills either inflict secondary statuses or 'pop' statuses for extra damage rather than letting them passively wear off
>>730821759200 niggas in a row
>>730827508>sailor moon>known as a team of 5>4 niggasdoa
>>730827508hate to break it to you anon but sailor moon another story already exists
6 niggas in 2 rows
I played Remake and Rebirth before original 7
>>730820919Why did >>730820919die but this one live?
for me it's 2 niggas in a row
>>730821759How do people even deal with 5 or more? at that point does the enemy even get a turn?
>>730828408>at that point does the enemy even get a turn?That's the fun part, they don't.
>>730828408retard the enemy is obviously calibrated to have more speed
>>730821972>3 is for special snowflakes???Persona has always been 3.
>>730821759depends on game mechanics.5 is always shit in any direction u take it.3 can be the best if balanced right (usually isnt)and 4 is usually good because its hard to fuck it up in either direction.what do i mean?in most games you have a healer, or multiple.if you make an offensive build, you have to balance around the possibility of all party members trying to zerg the enemy down. with 5, you either go with, they make quick work of the enemy, or you scale it so they do jack shit for damage.so if someone makes a defensive build, HP sponge enemies will make it suck too much.with 5 people, defensive builds would be too unkillable. unless you make their defense trash as well.you need to adjust bosses to do more AoE dmg, which in turn makes you either make a single strong aoe healer, or multiple weak aoe healers, or multiple single target healers. all 3 options suck for different reasons.in short 5 party member systems are either too broken, or rely on RNG too much.now with 3, each member has a stronger contribution on their own. but unfortunately defensive builds leave ya in HP sponge territory of enemies, since uve got only 1 attacker.since most games have u taking enough dmg to need heals, realistically, u have a healer. if they are an AoE healer, then you dont have much in the way of party builds.if they are single target, it helps with the balance, not requiring bosses to always AoE to add difficulty.and can allow for a jack of all trades 3rd option.now with 4, if u make AoE bosses, defensive builds work. if you make HP sponges needing offense, half the PT being offense, 1 healer, and 1 jack of all trades, this will still get through fights reasonably.offensive builds will slightly suffer, due to needing AoEs for more party members, but that can be sometimes made more/less effective on a boss to boss situation.4 is the most adaptable. Mid++5 requires over tuning.3 can have amazing results with over tuning. otherwise mid.
>>7308217594 niggas in a small grid (like 9x9 at the most)
>>730828494Based EO enjoyer.
>>730828690>9x9That's huge.
>>730821759Up to 25 niggas in several rows.
>>730827767>Moon, mars, jupiter, mercury >Venus introduced relatively later>uranus, neptune, pluto, saturn(+chibimoon)>Tuxedo mask acts more like a summonInstead of navigating two teams of 5 and 4 through a dungeon towards the boss, I thought it would feel better and have a little bit more tactical agency to control 3 teams of 3 through a dungeon, before reorganizing your teams into 2 teams + the leftover.>>730827768And it's far from perfect, leaving plenty of potential for the sailor moon rpg space.
>>7308217595 niggas in a row because I love Phantasy Star IV.
>>7308217595, but like in Final Fantasy VI, give me the option to use less whenever I feel like it.
>>730827494>DQ1HD>One nigga vs. the entire hood
>>730827230because both of them are to tempted by rings and gold
>>730828408In FF4 at least, the enemies are so fast it's retarded. If you get the pre-emptive strike, you might get lucky and have two of your niggas to act before the monsters start dogpiling you like the LAPD.
>>7308217595 > 4 or 6 >>>>> 3I can't name an RPG with only 3 party members worth playing.
>>730828494Best class
>>73082175921 niggers in an array.
>>730827494or rather one nigga solo
>>730821759Anything larger than 3 gives you too much role overlap
>>7308217593. It usually forces you to leave something valuable on the bench. Anything more will homogenize the experience.
3 mixed race non-binaries.
>>730830676Persona
3 is too few5 is too many4 is just right
>>730821759Four niggas, Jeremy? Four? That's insane.
>>730826351this would be good for a climactic moment>all the guest and side characters show up>very simple fight where everyone only attacks, just as a setpiece
>>730821759I like 4 niggas in a row with 8 niggas in the back.
>>730828613>5 is always shitStopped reading there.
6 nibbas in a cluster
>>730834995what do those 8 do?
>>730835820The combat system is built around swapping in your reserve members frequently, so it's like you might have multiple different parties at any given time where you deploy members depending on the circumstances, and members embody conventional RPG archetypes.
>>7308217594 and 5 are good because they prevent the MMO tank-healer-dps bullshit.
>>7308217594~6. Never 3, fuck 3.
>>730836245I played corru.observer recently which is a fun exploration based web browser game that also has some RPG minigames and it had some pretty good bite-sized 3 man gameplay. I think 3 man is fine for smaller scale stuff, but for a 40+ hour campaign, the heal - tank - DPS triangle can get old pretty fast.
>>730821759>4Edward was fucking worthless
what about 2 niggas in a row
>>730836350I feel like the idea could be fun with some simple combo based gameplay that eschews healing, but I don't know if I've really played any games that do it.
>>730836507Mario & Luigi, DQ2 (I think, haven't played it). Late Twoson, Early Threed in EarthBound.
>>730830676Xenoblade
>>730836350Mario and Luigi
I really liked having every single party member out on the field in Star Ocean Integrity. Also having a party member that literally does not have any attacks at all and her entire purpose is just buffing and supporting was nice too
>>7308217593 is too little, every game with only 3 slots in an active party always makes me feel like my options are too limited or the majority of the cast just ceases to exist. 4 feels just right. Bonus points for games like FFX or P5 where you can tag in the inactive members at any time so they don't feel completely useless and forgotten.
I'm actually playing through Legend of Dragoon right now and the 3 limit is killing me so badlyLike I want to have Dart cause he's the main characterI know Shana is like a throwaway character like Aeris in FFVII but I want to use her anyways But then how the fuck do you choose between Rose, Lavitz (Albert later, yes I know), or Haschel?I'm not even through disc 1 and this conundrum is driving me insane
>Don't use character because you don't like him>He gets a whole forced section to himself later in the story>He's 20 levels below the main party
Mana Khemia 2's 3-man parties with its active swapping mechanic was the most based fucking gameplay i ever experienced.
Classic style JRPG combat is really bad, people played those games DESPITE the combat because there was nothing else that would have the same kind of effort put into adventure, setting and characters.
4 so the whole family can come along
>>730821759more than 4 is retarded
>>730837578filtered e33cuck
>>730836350It's a gimmick that I don't see anybody but post-Square Mario RPGs do, but they do it well enough.Helps that they're meant to be simpler games.
>>730821759Two cyberniggers on a 3×3×2 grid.
>>730837823E33 is liked because of marketing and having a cool setting and characters
>>730828843>>730827508>>Venus introduced relatively laterLike maybe 30 episodes where there's like 300 episodes. Not to mention everyone was talking about Sailor V before she actually joins up. You can't do the north pole point d climax of the first season with only 4 of them.
>>730838027SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>730837484iktfb
>>7308217593 and 4 is ok, 5 is too much
345 nigga in a orgy
>>730821759No one in your pic is a nigga THOUGH
>>730839049Setzer is RIGHT THERE
>>730821759I like how OT0 finally lets you have a party of 8. They give you so many characters that I think it's a shame there isn't some kind of Phoenix Cave/Kafka's Tower type dungeon where you have to use multiple parties.
>>730821759Back Rows Matter
>>730836349Edward is only useless in the original game , in the GBA and PSP versions his stats explode past lv 40 and he becomes a walking musical nuke when you get the apollo harp Cid is the real useless one
>>730839296>OT1 and 2 only had 8 characters total with 4 active>no bench XP of any kind>OT0 gives you over 30 characters with 8 active>bench XP has to be unlocked, upgraded, and is still only locked to 12 maxI'm going to fucking kill somebody in Team Asano. Which one of those psychopaths keeps pushing for this?
>>730838027I love BN combat but there's just no possible way its combat system could be sensibly adapted in any other genre.which sucks cause I really want another game with Liberation Missions
>>730821972>5 is too many to manage and it becomes an unfun logistical nightmare.Are fucking retarded?
>>730837484Dragonball Z Legacy of Goku 2 Gohan is the stuff of fucking nightmares>weak useless twink tutorial character you will ditch for the entire game>has to solo the entire multi-stage final boss at whatever level you forgot about him at>enormous story powerup does nothing for you
>>7308217594 niggas but you can swap your active party members at the beginning of the round without using up a turn
4 looks unaesthetic but it is the best
>>730839567But Cid was a chad and he went out in the coolest way
>>7308373473 wouldn't be bad if you could take Dart out when you don't wanna use himFor 90% of boss fights Lavitz/Albert is the MVP because his shield spell halves all damage for several turns.For the third slot just use whoever, Rose has a life drain which is nice, Haschel and Meru are actually fast so they get more turns than everyone else.
>>730830326>>730827494I still think it's funny that Yuji Hiiro really wanted to write a RPG story that he even mentioned it in the crime thriller games he wrote and the first time he gets to do it, it was basically nothing.But whenever I think about how his favorite game series are fucking dead, it makes me sad
>>730830676CT and FFX are literally the two best JRPGs ever made.
>>730821759
>>730840109this isn't that kind of thread
>>730821759100 niggas in a row.
>>730821759Three niggas in a triangleAnd if you're outside, you're basically dead. Like an anti-Bermuda
>>730840038DQ1 had really short development and they wanted to ease console players who had never touched a PC RPG
>>730840229To be fair, they basically went "we want the CoD audience" and made RPGs but far more easier and casual. I can understand that they didn't have much confidence.But the game is short and fun, so it's fine
>>730821759It doesn't fucking matter. There is no golden number. Suikoden 2 has 6 party member and its combat is faster and smoother than the majority of other PS1 JRPG's. It simply a matter of design and execution.
>>730839850Cid should be fucking dead , hell a lot of characters should've died in this game but Cid is the most egregious because he somehow survived an explosion that took out 4 fucking airships and recovers with nothing but minor head injuries and itchy balls
>>730836590Dragon Quest 2 had three party members in the original, although a lot of people would call Prince Cannock useles since he had no spells and worse equipment than than Midenhall.Every port gave him some mid tier magic so he wouldn't just be an item mule. Dunno what DQ2-HD did for him specifically but they also invented a Princess Cannock to give you a fourth party member.
>>730821759Depends on the game. FF4 has really dull playable character jobs, so it doesn't matter that you have 5. Cecil basically just has the attack command after using Cover once and so does Edge as all his skills and tools suck ass and scale poorly. Kain spams Jump and Rosa and Rydia spam their best white and black magic, especially in the 3D remake where you can dualcast and omnicast and so on.Romancing SaGa 2 is a better example of a good 5 party system.
3, but actually 6.
>>730839542I miss this art style a lot. The grungy black inking mixed with animeish cartoon.
>>730840779I don't understand what's happening
Is 5 active party members really uncommon or are there a bunch of obscure games that did itI know FF4, SaGa, and some Phantasy Stars
Asked in another thread, but any good indie "x niggas in a row" rpgs? Last one I really dumped a bunch of time into was Divided Reigns, which was amazing
>>730841414Most dungeon crawlers do it
>>730841606Oh I wasn't even considering Etrian Odyssey and shit like that
>>730821759When it is 5 niggas, it becomes 2 rows.
>>730840553Samartoria's little sister wasn't invented in HD-2D, she existed before as an NPC.
>>7308217595-6 niggas in a bloober. 8 should work as well, altho I don't know a game that does it well. (I don't think that Wizardry 8 really did it well.)
>>730821759For me, it's 12 niggas in various formations
>>730828354This is three niggas in a row though? You have the whole pokemon segment of ffxiii-2.
>>730835249TIME FOR A LITTLE ROUGH AND TUMBLE
>>730835249RTwP fags be like
>>730840553The Prince is actually pretty good in DQ2 HD. By end game I was making use of every party member and the party would noticeably suffer if anyone was dead.
>>730840378DQ came out around the same time that Wizardry was leaning into being real ballbusting so it was probably warranted.
>>730836349They made him one of the best characters in The After Years which is pretty funny.
>>730833803Persona has always had more than 3 party members though?
>>730841708desu it's been like 20+ years since I played 2 (GBC version) and I don't remember much besides the road of assfuck instakill monkeys
>>730821759n+1 niggas in a row
>>730821759>4 niggas in the front>4 niggas benched in the back who can jump in when the first party gets KO'd
4 niggas in a column
>>730843074>Only find out the game works like this in the middle of a postgame boss fight cause you never had a party wipe before
>>730843074Golden Sun 2? One of the best JRPG combat systems of all time that's somewhat wasted on it being an easy game.
>>730821935So, Chrono Trigger? Aside from the XP thing, I’m reasonably sure all the other points apply.
>>730840779I don't know what happened to JRPGs but how the fuck does this game's battle scenes look less visually dynamic and interesting than a 25 year old GBA game?I mean Golden Sun btw
>>730843183these guys are actually in a row and most in a row are actually in a column
>>730843214also FFX, one of the best JRPG combat systems that is wasted on a bad story and an incredibly easy game.
9 niggas in a square
>>730843346I would say it's dynamic, but in a very forced way that I don't like. The camera is too zoomed in and hyperactive, such that I can barely make out what's even happening. Golden Sun doesn't have this problem as it's a fixed camera with prerendered assets.
>>730821935he's talking about Xenoblade btw
1 nigga in the air
>>7308217594 niggas in a 7x7 grid
>>730830676Digital Devil Saga
>>730843474Everyone on the bench gets exp in all the Xenoblades thoughThe biggest thing you miss out on is the fuckass blade leveling shit in 2 not retroactively counting things you did before you got the blade so you have to do a lot of backtracting if you want to be a completionist with the skill charts.
>>730830676Secret of Mana
>>730843474I should have known.
>>730821935>must have protagonist>must have thief>must have healeri love 3 niggas in a row
3 niggas in a row, then 2 niggas in reserve that come out when the first 3 are dead, so my autism can be triggered for the entire game by not just having two full parties of 3.>>730843379Shit you're right
>>730840059Both have more than 3 party members but even if they didn't they'd still be worse than their contemporaries. CT is overrated. Cross is better.FFX is outright bad, 1-9 11-Lightning Returns are better.
>>730839667>OT3 gets its own version of the training ground>only 2 party members in reserve can use it.
this would solve your jrpg's item problem FACT
>>730829843Came to this thread to post this. Good fucking taste.
>>730844214>procedurally generated roguelike slopIt's not the same NIGGER.
>>7308217597 niggas all ova the fuckin place
>>730822005This.>>730821972Skill issue.
>>730821759Four is my favorite. Octopath Traveler 0's system works pretty well too.
>>730844285The maps in VS are preset its just the powerups that are randomI have no fucking idea what the guy you're replying to was trying to say about RPGs though.
20 niggas in a row, sort of. lol
>>730844214>jrpg's item problemWhat item problem?
>>730843346Hard to top the visuals and presentation from the first two Golden Sun games, it's rare to see any game take advantage of their hardware like they did.
>>730844676yes yes well done golden sun well done HOWEVER
>>730821759the world needs more 2 niggas in a row
>>730844543What you're referring to is 'niggas on a grid'
PLAY MAGICAL STARSIGN PLEASE I'M ON MY FUCKING KNEES
>>730844834Huh that's a game I haven't thought of in a long timeI remember seeing previews for it but didn't end up getting it at the time.
>>730844929I feel like it's a pretty niche title these days, I still have my old copy lying around.
over a hundred thousand niggas
>>730845093Does that work like Sengoku Rance where your HP bar is basically also your attack stat
>>730821935Fuck you
>>730845189I'll do you one worse>4 active party members>5 total charactersWhy not just put all 5 in battle at that point
>>730844830I was just playing OGs. Was on Ex-Hard with 38/38 Skill Points but then computer issues sidetracked me and I forgot to back up my data. Oh well. I'll hop into OG2 anyway, I don't think I'll replay the entirety of OG1 so soon though.
>>730845271he died in the first world
>4 niggas in a row.>But one of them permanently leaves the party about 60% of the way through the game and there's never a replacement nigga.
>>730845093>zhao yun and ma chao on the same team, with comparable troop countswho tf is supposed to be your teams protagonist? misplay
Four niggas but you can move them around the battlefield
>>730845720name five examples
