I have no idea what I'm doing. This isn't like Pokemon at all.
It's Pokemon for homos and troons pretty muchJust look at how they always talk about fucking the main character or whoever that blue dude is
>>730843136Funny how almost evry single gamer troon players pokeon,
>>730843136mc is literally a tranny
>>730842941Just collect demon girls that you find hot and use them. Pay no attention to the projecting tranny that replied first.
>>730842941In about 3 more hours you will understand it is far far simpler than pokemon and far less interesting.
>>730842941Use buffs retard
>>730842941>This isn't like Pokemon at all.And its better off for it.
>>730842941you have 1 turn per characterhitting weakness or critting gives 1 extra turn up to 4hitting immunities or missing costs you a turn a light or dark weakness being hit can instakill, including on the protagonist don't be shy about fusing, early demons are shitmons and easily obtainable again if you want them
>>730842941It's like Pokemon for big year olds
>>730845507>far less interestingall pokemon games since gen 3 have literally the same plot
>>730845727oh and I forgot to add, if you hit an enemy that absorbs your element, your turn ends immediately. avoid doing that, and abuse that mechanic in your favor as much as possible.
>>730845507Demon fusion alone makes it more engaging that anything pokemon has ever done. The (actual) hot girls are just a bonus.
>>730842941follow your dreams
what the fuck is this retarded thread
>>730845541actually buffs fucking suck in smt5 until you get luster candy. Debuffs are good because enemy stats are way higher than yours for a good long while.That 5 extra damage from wasting SP and a turn on Tarukaja is completely worthless and expires in 3 turns.
>>730846650I cannot believe how fucking shit Megido Ark is.
>>730843136Ya
>>730847930Seriously. You'd think its base damage would at least be on par with Freikugel. I tried to make it work but I just gave up.
>>730845541I'm stacking agi on my nahobino and speccing into debuffs. I'm using the crit super and stacking that phys attack that deals extra damage on crits but I can't kill the Hydra, not sure what I'm doing wrong or if I'm underleveled. Party is the schoolgirl, mermaid and daemon
>>730848101Is Masakado actually some super important mythical figure for the japs today, or is it just the devs hyping him up?
>>730849072reading this is like the >pulls out HDMI meme to mei never want to play a game where i have to think about or say any of these things
>>730849072What's your level? Are you getting obliterated by his magatsuhi attack? Consider using dampeners if you are
>>730849072The beginning is pretty hard. Like all SMT games, it's tough until your party composition and build starts to form, then it gets much easier and strategizing flows more naturally.There's a dark dampener nearby in a find spot which is a big hint you should use that whenever you think Hydra is about to hit you with it.
>>730849129He was literally some dude that rebelled or some shit and failed.Sonething something bad shit started happening after his death and people thought he became an evil spirit.Appearantly to this day bad shit happens to people who disresoect his gravesite allegedly.He's a big meme in smt, because he's basically became the patron saint of tokyom
>>730849289>NormalI've been playing on Hard and this shit is kicking my ass. NTA, but I'm still can't kill Shiva and I'm like lvl 90
>>730849515Hard is not really worth it, all it does is make the fights longer
Post demons and builds. I really like myriad slashes a lot.
>>730849515Building around Moonlight Frost is super good against Shiva, as long as you're on the Vengeance route.
>>730842941What do people actually like about smt over persona? Smt is really dry
>>730849515Shiva's meant to be one of the superbosses, so nothing wrong with that. Probably the easiest superboss out of the bunch, but still super. Protip: Kill his Ananta to prevent heals but also try to leave at least one of his demon allies alive so he doesn't use his unique almighty.
>>730849927I like both equally, with a lot of overlapping reasons even if their approach is different.The combat is a really high point for me. I love press turn in most of its forms. Building and fusing demons while exploring weird places is great. The minimal story that's heavy on history and sparse character interaction makes each run-in with another human more meaningful.
>>730842941just driving by to say the superbosses in this game were actually so bad and so unfun that i immediately went from being like 95% committed to a godborn run through to not bothering at all and just moving on to another game lol.i see that atlus haven't gotten even one iota better at making engaging superbosses since the shitshow that was dds2 satan, just the same flowchart or you insta die every time, so sad.game was pretty great up until that point though
>>730849198Level 13. I can't buy poison dampeners. This is on hard btw
All you have to do is summon alice and youre done with the game
>>730849927For me Persona is at it's strongest with character interactions and plot. Since the combat tends to be on the easier side, so when the plot is bad the game is bad. smt on the other hand has a serviceable bare plot with much better gameplay
>>730849072simply don't use mermaid, you want to use ice abilities and not be weak to fire, pretty straight forward. throw up a fire or phys dampener for a free turn whenever
>>730842941Are there any mods that make the MC an actual dude instead of whatever this is? It really made the game unenjoyable to the point I turned it off and never found an interest turning it back on.
>>730843136>implying Pokéfags don't want to fuck all the shota trainers
>>730846650The creature designs in this game are peak.
>>730849515Do your demons just suck ass or what? Is your nahobino a bitch?I went into shiva at 80 something cause it wouldn't let me first time I tried, by the time I went in I had switched to almighty instead of phys and I killed him in like a couple rounds with the repeat 4x magatsuhi skill + almighty attack, ignored all his summons, never felt like he really posed a huge threat at all on hard. All the non puzzle bosses (bullshit) are not all that hard because you should have across your whole party null everything somewhere so they lose most of their actions half the time
>>730850602H-how did you know?
>>730849927>What do people actually like about smt over persona? Smt is really dryDungeon crawling and fighting instead of endless exposition or characters talking for altogether too long. Better aesthetic
>>730849753Brought her to for the last boss fights in the challenge battles. Even juiced up, the amped up final boss was tough.
>>730849927SMT has more interesting party-building, plotlines that have some choices, and generally somewhat better mechanics (though people tend to overstate the differences between the combat systems and comparative difficulty between the series.) They also have some imaginative settings and, perhaps most importantly, the games aren't bogged down with constant cutscenes and character interactions.I do also like Persona, though, and I think the plotlines in some SMT games are either a bit too bare-bones for their own good or poorly told.
https://youtu.be/OjACNTXzxOY?si=iNFBR0682WdqDhLz
>>730850686Because I do, too.
V is great and one of my favorite rpgs in recent years. The difficulty is a little lacking imo, even on hard mode in VV (only felt difficult until I got past hydra), but it was still more engaging and challenging than most rpgs. I love the look of the world, the demons, the characters except the nahobino, and the ost is an absolute 10/10 for me. Seriously, the game would've been carried by the OST alone for me. I wasn't grabbed by the story, but the gameplay was good enough to get me through. My issue with the difficulty might just be the fact that you can save anywhere (or teleport back to the save in vanilla V), so the bosses don't feel as daunting as Nocturne. I'll probably check out IV soon, since I always heard good things about it on here.
>>73084975340+ hours inthis game tickles my autism just right, having a lot of fun
>>730851362>>730850730What's with the difference in lighting?
>>730851423first reply is looking at the demon in the partysecond reply is looking at the demon in the fusion place
>>730851187Base IV's mechanics are rather barebones in several ways even compared to previous games, but the ost, atmosphere and worldbuilding are pretty good.
>>730849129>Masakado actually some super important mythical figure for the japs todaykinda, he's sorta like Guan Yu in that it's a dubiously historical human that got deified.
>>730849753you don't need anything more
>>730851810>nigga built his whole party member around gay bulgefaggot
Okay I beat it, I guess the boss is to tell you that its impossible to win the fights without using dampeners, fair enough
>>730852530Congrats, anon. Hydra's the major filter. Make liberal use of dampeners because they're cheap to buy, easy to find, and retardedly strong when used at the right moment.
get turnsuse turnswin
>>730850831https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK72sfCwkOo
>>730849753
Sakuya is so fucking broken. Insane turn economy
>>730843136>>730843227>>730844843Seethe lmao
>>730849129Masakado in SMT is basically tokyo's guardian deity, and since 99% of SMTs take place in Tokyo or what was once Tokyo he gets to be an end game demon.
>>730851362>40 hours in>on pc>didnt install lyall's smtvfix that unfucks everythingT_T
>>730853846It's your own fault for using meme resolutions to begin with, son of man.
What's the better phys build? Guaranteed crit moves with all the boosts or moves that do more damage on crits with the guaranteed crit charge?
>>730843227There’s a lot of overlap since pokemon is usually for pedos and furries
>>730845507>it is far far simpler than pokemonkek
>acquire Matador and Loa>random encounters no longer exist
>>730849927i like demons and occultism, i dont like school drama and social links
i can't settle on a single team with a cohesive strat, i just keep fusing and switching to who looks cool and do random shit, what do i do?
>>730853172why did you cross out nahobinos eyes
>>730845507>>730842941It’s such a shame the story and atmosphere in this game is so shit compared to the other mainline games. Both versions of the game I dropped because I could not give a fuck about the story and the setting. It wants to be Nocturne 2.0 so bad but it reeks of IV:A writing quality. Its identity is all over the place. That and no dungeons(good ones I mean). Only mainline game I still haven’t beaten. Shame cause the gameplay is solid.
>>730855690I saw an anon drop the game because you go to the netherworld and then back to class, which broke his immersion. Too bad he didn't play for 20 more minutes.
>>730856152but you don't go back to class until like 10 hours in
>>730856331That's the part he was upset about.
the game would be a 10/10 if getting essences wasn't such a pain in the ass. Why the fuck can't i buy all of them from the vendor once i unlock them? Why can't i hoard more than one per type? Having to savescum at level up hoping for a random drop is so retarded
>>730851810does your gay bulge pierce? didn't think so retard
the shitty ass desert kills any interest i could have in this game
This is the best JRPG ever made, I love this game.
>>730857702How else do we depict post apocalyptic Tokyo if not buried in a desert?
>>730857702It's kino
>>730857823There's a pretty good question of where do they go after SMTVV
>>730859710SMT 3
>>730842941>You were in tokyo>you now are in post apocalypse>why apocalypse?>can you get back?>progress forward in the mostly linear areas>also you are a pokemonThere.
>>730859987That's the previous game desu. VV is a sequel not a prequel.
>>730860323I read your post wrong lmao. I thought you said what game do you go to from here.
>>730849927SMT is about the demons with humans as bit characters, while Persona is about humans with demons as bit characters. Also SMT is a game where you get to utilize all the mechanics, while Persona expects only the bare minimum.
>>730845879With that logic all the SMT games end up being the same with how they end with you going after YHWH or Lucifer depending on how they feel.
>>730857823SMT 4 and 4A are better
>>730857187anon it has pierce and 100% crit rate that's why the build works in the first place
>>730861223Nah
>>730846650Why figment slash and not Akashic Arts
>>730849753Isn't Dragon Eye redundant with Critical Aura? Also Megaton Press would be better than Hades Blast
>>730850382You can't buy poison dampeners but the attack itself is darkDo the math
>>730843227>>730854995As the only heterosexual pokemon enthusiast I have to agree.
>>730856030>Muh storyAll SMT games have a garbage story, you play it for the gameplay
>>730842941Omagatoki: Strategize is broken.All the strongest attacks scale from Strength, all the other stats don't even matter.Hard is actually harder than Godborn.
Someone help me with Shiva, I just don't get the fightAlso I thought that if I killed all his allies, he would automatically use Tandava in the following turn but that didn't happen a few times and now I'm confused
>>730862646>Also Megaton Press would be better than Hades BlastMissing is actually bad, news at 10Fuck all your retard "hey this move has 50% hit rate lol but dont worry it TOTALLY works if you have buff up at max stacks and the enemy has evade down at max stacks and at no other time ever"
>>730857672Cute but I'm not dropping Idunn
>>730863234>Someone help me with Shiva, I just don't get the fightDebilitate, Sakuya Sakura or your heal + stats up of your choice, kill shiva with ice iirc for press turns and big damage pierce or almighty. What do you mean? What are you losing to exactly? Every time he uses anything except medigo he should lose his turn by hitting an immunity, and you should be able to tank and heal through a megido especially with buffs and debuffs up
>>730863323They're healers but do different thingsThe real issue is that Konohana Sakuya is a straight upgrade over Idunn, because her unique does the same thing but also slightly recovers MP on top of that, making it more cost efficient and extremely valuable under Oomagatoki: Free
>>730863487>Every time he uses anything except medigo he should lose his turn by hitting an immunity,When he's not using Megidolaon he's using Impaler's Animus + Akashic Arts or Impaler's Animus + Maragibarion which I can do nothing about and still one-shots whatever it hits even with double stacked buffs/debuffs
Is there a mod to give beeno his Tsukuyomi fit back after you beat TiamatBecause the original fit sucks
>>730863667idk what to tell you then, he wasn't spamming impalers animus for me on hard mode vengeance route, he used it once or twice but even if he killed someone, which i do not recall, akashic arts only kills one and he doesn't get to act again so you just swap it out for half a press turn. he definitely didn't impalers animus maragibarion me, i was full hp most of the fight and beat him first try with no strategy and didn't even hit his adds, he only got to summon 1 i think? can't remember, fights kind of blur together.
>>730842941Just reduce enemy HP to 0, simple.https://youtu.be/SRdDohwEPko?si=Aq_Vc_t6T8-78nOU
What's the actual best SMT game to start off with as someone who only has played Persona, Metaphor and Etrian Odyssey from Atlus?
>>730864281>better fit>better themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OchJTFsVyHQ
>>730865798Strange Journey is kinda like Etrian Odyssey. Play the DS version though, not the 3DS remake.SMT IV on 3DS is also a good starting point, but not SMT IV: Apocalypse, because that's the sequel to SMT IV
>>730849753Same as other anon about 40h inWhy is hayatoro so powerful?
Do you guys like buffs/debuffs lasting 3 turns? Haven't played Vengeance yet but I kinda wish it was 5 turns instead.>>730865798If you've played Metaphor, that used the press turn system that SMT has used since 3, and fusing is similar to Persona. I'd say start with 3, or if you want to try 1 and 2 for something more old school with first person dungeon crawling.
>Keep Str/Mag at 11 above your level>Dump the rest into vit>Sleep walk through the gameGG
>>730865814Yeah that too
>>730863265Anon, he's running Critical Charge which grants 200% accuracy
>>730850338Etrian Odyssey V had only one team wipe the boss always did if all the adds were there, I beat it without looking up the AI I think.That's the only superboss I bothered with besides EO4, which was either too weak or also retarded if you don't weaken it.
>>730867148I hate timed buffs in Persona but I think its brilliant in SMT because of how Press Turn works. You suddenly have situations where you need to decide if your press turn is better spent keeping the buff going or doing some other critical action, or you plan to use your buff on the press turn but miss and now you've lost your buff. It also helps that enemies debuffing you resets the counter so there are even situations where you're buffs gonna run out and the enemy does 1 stage debuff that accidentally helps you instead. It's fun.Also also, there are skills to increase the number of turns, you can extend it to 4 turns mid game and extend it to 5 turns endgame (technically you can extend it to 6 turns with both passives but that's overkill)
>>730867052In base V you only unlock him after alignment lock iirc so his uniques are overtuned to compensate, in Vengeance you got him at midgame
>>730867052He gets phys block way earlier than most demons and his signature attack is endgame class skill.
>>730867923Oh yeah that's right, I forgot about the skills that extend the duration. And yeah, that's a good point with press turn, now that I think about it that's probably why they made buffs last 3 turns in Persona, since the One More system can make turns last a long time.
>NG+>Can't use grimores on demons higher level than me (can't farm for essences for busted demon fuses)I guess i'll settle for them just being 50 levels above me
I'm so bad at RPGs. Really don't know how to make good builds when there are millions of options.
>>730842941Use buffs and debuffs retarded ass nigga
I bought vengeance on my steam deck but I just can't be bothered to play though it after putting 100+ hours into V already on my switchHow the fuck does atlus get away with rereleasing the same fucking game for full price
>>730846624>>730850730>>730851362Mermaid is peak female form
>>730869016just get demons to cover every element weaknesslater on get ones that null/repel/absorb each element
>>730849129iirc during or after the first game development the dev team started having weird shit happen to them, so much they thought they got cursed. They collectively went to the masakado shrine to pray and ask for protection. The paranormal stuff ceased so they promised to include masakado as a superboss in their games as a sign of gratitude.
>>730853846what is it supposed to fix because the game runs and plays perfectly for me
>>730871878it unlocks the high resolution FMVs that base game refuses to use for some reason.
>>730870330whoa tumorfag is out to get me!
SEX with demon womenand Tao
>>730872057Does that mean the cutscene where Surt burns the angels won't look like crusty asscheeks anymore?
>>730856030IV:A was way more interesting, had better music, final boss, everything really. The controversial power of friendship element was actually implemented in a meaningful way giving you a memorable choice. V is just so safe and boring, especially compared to Nocturne.
>>730856030>It wants to be Nocturne 2.0 so bad but it reeks of IV:A writing quality.To be expected it was around IV that the writing staff age composition began to shift, I can't remember where but Kaneko remarked about the younger guys who grew up with more recent shows and movies wanting stories and endings that were less dour than Devilman and Tokyo the Last Megalopolis, which sort of misses the point of an apocalyptic supernatural sci-fi scenario.
>>730843136>Pokemon for homos and troonsThat's redundant.
>>730843136holy projection
>>730843136>
>>730843136fpbpForgot to mention it's easier and less complex pokemon.>b-b-butpost showdown elo tranny. you won't. SMT is unironically baby shit
>>730877906It was stupid, you could be an asshole all game but the game would treat you as being on the best friends forever path until the very end. IVA's encounter design is also far less interesting with linear skill upgrades instead of branching ones and much more boring encounter design, just a lot of hard hitting single target battles. YHVH battle is awesome, I probably would have given you that one until VV fixed Lucy.
>>730847930>>730848101Same. It's only good against (you) the player, totally worthless otherwise. If you have multiple targets to fight you're better off just using an aoe 95% of the time. The uses for a slightly strong single target when other enemies are present is limited to basically just Demifiend, but you will beat Demifiend before Satan anyway. And speaking of underwhelming unique skills, Lucifer's also sucks ass. The two effects it comes with would have been useful about 20 hours and 50 levels ago, by the time you get him it's just a more expensive Megidoloan.
>>730849753>Kresnik fanMah nigga
>>730880040I beat Satan before DF. Satan unlocks thr level 150 level cap. Megido Ark and Lucy's unique are good in Godborn.
>>730877906>had better musicOkay I'm gonna dispute you on that, especially if we add the Vengeance tracks to the mixIV + IVA tracks are stellar but I fully believe Kozuka's work in V and VV are his magnum opus
>>730880601IV's music feels like a greatest hits tape while V feels like its actually carrying a theme.
figment slash +9figment slash +9figment slash +9you get the idea
>>730880910For me it's Ailment Chaser parties.
>>730880601I was legit stunned at how good the music in Shakan wasI'll never not be mad at how the game was continually snubbed when it came to best music prizes across the industryMeanwhile Metaphor, Meguro's weakest work to date, worse even than the three or four tracks he did for Break Record, got nominated for best soundtrack
>>730850338That's not really true for V or VV. Every boss except Super Masakado is less flowcharty than DDS2 Satan or any Etrian Odyssey superboss. I know this because my strategy for killing regular Masakado, Demifiend, Shiva, and Satan in VV was just to constantly shit out damage full throttle with buffs/Elysian Harvest keeping me alive and my entire stockpile of consumables handling the MP. You just have to mind a few mechanics like keeping one Shiva add alive or Demi Fiend's unique instant kill requiring abyssal mask on all your demons. There isn't a turn by turn, move by move template that I used, just kept juggling buffing, debuffing, and healing while constantly slamming damage with a party that can generate press turns.
I'd happily sell my soul to have hot sweaty baby making sex with Agrat.
>>730883357Doll joints sexo
>>730883274>and my entire stockpile of consumables handling the MPSpeaking of which I'm already running out of these, I won't have any for the actual final boss at this rateWhere can I get more
>>730883274I agree with you, although Satan and DF do follow an order in which they will swap in party members which greatly determines what you're going to do next. And you absolutely need to mute DF for his midfight Mediarahan
>>730880261>Lucy's unique are good in Godborn.How? Removing barriers is useful for like lvl 30. By the time you're doing Godborn you have so many options you're either hitting weaknesses or piercing every single fight. Removing charge seems extremely niche because very few enemies use it. The Magatsuhi skills activate charge on the enemy turn no? So there's no charge(or rather Animus) for you to remove. >Megido Ark I straight up don't believe you. The only use case I can think of is Demifiend and there's way better options for that fight. It's completely useless until the enemy has at least 2 adds, is mediocre until they have 3, and doesn't answer the question "if there's 4 enemies why wouldn't I just aoe?" for basically any fight that's not Demifiend. It should've started at 250 power not 10, to make its single target damage in an aoe situation worthwhile.
>>730883931>And you absolutely need to mute DF for his midfight MediarahanI didn't. He only does it once (I think his demons can do it more however) so I just... kept hitting him really hard and he died before I ran out of all my resources. Nuwa with Safeguard spamming Sacrifice of Clay is extremely useful here. With his summoning pattern I always get an extra press turn and am constantly forcing dekunda from his demons.
>>730884124That's nuts, but I believe it. BTW Pixie and Parvati will try to heal demi if you let them live for more than two turns.
>>730849753My Kresnik, before Shiva.
>>730884432And hero.
>>730884507Demon Haunt was one of the best additions to the series for shit like this alone
>>730867052is artemis any good?
Do you guys try to fuse all the demons? Even the lower level ones?
>>730886708She's not super good but she's a solid demon
For me it’s Cu Cuthulain and his auto crit piercing bullshit
i felt bad about sacrificing my baal for a beelzebub but beelzebub is just too good to not fuse
>>730886840Yes, you often need them to fuse higher ones ans you need 75% of the compendium to unlock Maria's allignment lock quests. On repeat playthroughs it's also fun to use demons you didn't use even when they're suboptimal, quite a lot of them are actually viable.
>>730886840If you're trying to optimize the compendium for spent macca you want low level demons, on top of that you should only give them the most basic spell like zio or something so they cost less to be summoned. In most of these games you can combine low level demons to create something way higher level than expected. I think in 4A you can combine a level 2 and level 4 demon into a level 50 one, not sure if 5V has similar recipe but if nothing else they can be used as a basis for uptier recipe.
>>730886840When I see something new I recruit it ASAP just to make fusion easier.
>>730884269Ah so that's the cutoff. They never live that long anyway. My party setup for Demi was Safeguard Nuwa (guaranteed aoe debuff + press turn), Demeter with debilitate/luster candy/Elysian Harvest/donut gladii (heals and support), Murakumo Bino who tunnels damage into Demifiend or a healer enemy, and Masakado (his unique skill as the only attack lmao, all passives otherwise) who just shits out damage and press turns. Just kept going at breakneck pace until demifiend died.
>>730883274Disagree, I haven't fought masakado but I tried both df and satan and they were the same underlying bullshit as dds2 satan to me. Do this or you insta die, don't have this or you insta die, do this every x turns or you insta die, make sure you're counting turns for that matter or you insta die. I got df to more than half if you count the mediarahan, but one single "whoops you missed the demon didn't die" is death and restart for a 40 minute fight, one single "whoops forgot to note down on notepad demifiends spent turns one turn" is instant death, plus as you said the complete fucking dice roll when he uses his instant kill because abyssal mask doesn't guarantee absolutely anything. Debilitate is every turn, because he buffs every turn or dekunda, luster candy is every turn because he dekajas and debuffs every turn, you have to swap a demon in with drain or null phys every turn to eat his second turn per round, your window to actually do anything you want to do to do damage is ass. Oh and if your mc has null phys you insta lose too. It is just incredibly limited in how you can approach it.Satan just appeared to be "respec your nahobino to this exact build with the guaranteed dodge every turn so his ai megidos, which also makes it incredibly limited in how you approach it. I don't want to do that, I don't want to respect, I don't want to grind stat boosters for eternity to have most of the demons not insta die to his shit, and from what I can see if you don't have df to half satans press turns it's pretty bullshit.I haven't played eo, if if the superbosses are the same there then they're dogshit too. Superbosses should not be puzzles that can only be solved a set way, they should be able to be tackled in whatever manner you've chosen to build your characters and whatever strategies you've built to play the game. They should hit hard, have annoying moves, be able to keep you on the backfoot, but never just have a magic i win button that avoids all defense
>>730886840I do but I'm usually cockblocked by party slotsI legit feel 24 is too little
>>730888704But you have that in the form of Shiva and Super Lucifer.
>>730889015Yeah that's great but an entire game mode is locked behind satan and not shiva or super lucifer lol
>>730888704>Superbosses should not be puzzles that can only be solved a set way, they should be able to be tackled in whatever manner you've chosen to build your characters and whatever strategies you've built to play the game.Superbosses first of all are always going to have some degree of imposition on your builds because they're meant to be extremely strong, so expecting to beat them with ANY strategy you've used all game is too permissive. There should be some common sense requirements like having high/pleroma on all your offensive demons, which in turn should either have strong unique skills or some way to enable figment slash. Secondly just by the amount of strategies I've seen and personally performed in both EO and SMT as a whole I can say that even at their most puzzly, you have a myriad of solutions to any fight. It's not do THIS or die, it's usually do SOMETHING or die, and there's room for player expression in what that something is. Take Megido Ark in your example. I too had no interest in respeccing to the meme dodge build to deal with it so I didn't. My option instead was to use Elysian Harvest in concert with the usual buffs/debuffs raise my hp past the threshold where he'd kill me. Having enduring soul on all your demons is also common sense for these bosses as far as I'm concerned, so even his opening Ark will get eaten by an enduring soul or whittled goat, the latter which you naturally should have on hand. That's not even the only way I've considered to deal with it. Another option is to have a sturdy demon with a taunt skill defend on the turn you expect ark. Yet another option is to use kannabi veil, not that I would ever spare even a scrap of offense for that on my MC. And then of course you could probably just kill him with Strategize cheese before he gets to do anything.
Can Mudo/Hama instakills happen from regular attacks or only weakness targeted?
>>730890386Only weakness unless explicitly stated it has a chance of instakilling like Anansi's unique
>>730888704Do you have an example of an even remotely challenging traditional JRPG superboss that doesn't require specific builds or doesn't have mechanics that are puzzle-esque and require circumventing to survive? Because I cannot think of a single one.
>>730890780Basically anything from Etrian Odyssey
>>730884507Sex with negamanannamangggal
>>730842941I had three game for a year barely played through. Went back to it and I'm doing way better. One of those games you just need to marinate in for a while before it clicks. Shin Megami Tensei 5 is hard. Very hard.
>>730842941Don't forget to buy those elemental stones from the shop, they're super useful ESPECIALLY for mitama (those yin-yang looking demons).
YOUNG MAN
>>730891276EO superbosses are on par if not slightly more demanding in what you specifically need to bring for them compared to VV superbosses. Which I don't mind because I don't think they're as rigid puzzles as the other anon claims like DDS2 Satan.
One thing I didn't like and I know is retarded but I wish low tier demons wouldn't be so "useless" and obsolete, I may be wrong about V but I think after some point they don't even get that much experience or something like that, I know this isn't Pokemon but still, it would be nice to not only use the usual mega party members.
>>730890780The likelihood is you're just going to say "that's not challenging to me"Almost all of tri-aces post game bosses are a reasonable level of challenging, be it in star ocean or vp. Although I also dislike their design in so too as it comes down to just spamming revives because, just like smt, they do the terrible design of "fuck your defences fuck half your stats lol they don't matter now" which is a genuine cardinal sin for any jrpg to do. But killing one ally is still better design than immediate party wipes.I'm perfectly happy with superbosses on the level of the dark aeons, they were fine in terms of challenge if you fought them when you were supposed to and didn't just 255 all stats before even fighting the first one or abusing yojimbo. I vehemently dislike "do this or you instant game over" design, it is never good and never has been good in any game ever made. If I die to a boss, it should be because it wears me down. If I can hypothetically keep up with its wearing me down, I should be able to sit in a fight with any boss for 100 turns doing whatever I want and still not game over. My defenses should never be just entirely bypassed and negated by any means rendering them utterly a waste of time investing in or caring about imo.
>>730892079THERE'S NO NEED TO FEEL DOWN
>>730892421Anon, V makes it absurdly easy to maintain low-level demons and make them fucking strong. Essence fusion, grimoires, and incenses easily fix up your weaker demons. They may not necessarily have something like Amon's piercing severe AoE, but you can still pump their stats and mix them with other demons so their uniques play off of each other for some juicy stuff.
>>730888704>Disagree, I haven't fought masakado but I tried both df and satan and they were the same underlying bullshit as dds2 satan to me.yea that's basically atlus's specialthey have never been able to make a decent superbossthis goes for EO too btwand then you have drooling tards defending this kind of dogshit design because they literally have no other point reference when it comes to it (that and nostalgia)
What is the best SMT game in your opinion? I only played V (original) and now I started IV, can't tell yet which one I like more, but I think most likely it's going to be IV.
>>730886708she's good when you get her but she starts to fall behind after like 10 levelseven with her good resistances she dies fairly easily, uses a ton of MP and doesn't deal enough damage to warrant itat least that's been my experience so far
>>730893431Original DS Strange Journey
>>730893431IVA by a long shot
>>730892552I read this in his voicehttps://youtu.be/62l5EqHRaJg?si=yW0sK7HESjN3r4xq (00:22)
>>730886989for a mid level demon I found him useful until the end of the game and just had Gae bolg and a bunch of passives. consistent pierce/crit each turn ain't bad
>>730850560For spirits, when they please,Can either sex assume, or both; so softAnd uncompounded is their essence pure,Not tied or manacled with joint or limb,Nor founded on the brittle strength of bones,Like cumbrous flesh; but, in what shape they choose,Dilated or condensed, bright or obscure.Can execute their aery purposes,And works of love or enmity fulfil.
>>730842941Shin Megami Tensei is unironically less complex than Pokemon OP, the only thing I can recommend is fusing often
>>730879654You compare an entire fanbase to less then 0.1% of another fanbase.The average SMTard can beat any Pokemon game while masturbating and watching an episode of friends, but the average Pokefag woudnt make it out of the tutorial levels of ANY SMT.I woud even dare to ague that the average SMT Player woud land easily somewhere in the upper echolons of elo when they bite the bullet and play showdown.But fuck that shit.With all the goddamn mechanics pokemon intruduced since Gen 6 you have to be extra autistic to keep up with all the gimmiks.Besides, Artwork got more and more retarded.But the funniest shit about Pokemon is that a mainline game dropped the turnbased battle, wich have been cultivated for 30 years, and now gets relegated to some phonegame.I knew it, back in 2016 when GO released: normies will fuck Pokemon.
>>730867052He used to be a Neutral Route unlock, in Vengeance they made him available mid-game, and you can tell because hes stupid strong.
>>730842941Is V:Vengence that much better than V? What am I missing out on?
>>730894080>Shin Megami Tensei is unironically less complex than Pokemon OPdo you actually believe this?
>>730894750I don't play Pokemon since X&Y and also didn't played the new version for SMTV.I played every Pokemon mainline game and every SMT mainline game.Undoubtedly.
>>730894750He's half-right; Pokemon is only complex (or fun) in a competitive doubles format. But in a story playthrough it's baby color matching shit and pretending it has any nuance in that environment is cope.
I like the game fine enough and will finish it but why did they think making dampeners mandatory was a good idea? It feels off having to rely on things outside of my demon's skills to win battles, also buffs suck so far compared to the other games
>>730842941>This isn't like Pokemon at all.Which is funny because mechanically the combat is was simpler than pokemon.
Is there a way to shift alignment easily in VV? Like a way you can do it besides dialogue choices.
>>730843227>Funny how almost evry single gamer troon players persona Ftfy
>>730894750I seriously do believe this, that said it only shows during competitive how complex it is, because the main story doesnt really attempt to do anything that hard with it.
>>730895157We heard you the first 15 times faggot. Fuck off back to your weird pedo containment thread
>>730895259So we're comparing the complexity of multiplayer battles to a single player game? Nice, when I played pokemon as a kid I just spammed my strongest skill every battle and got through just fine.
>>730895573Nono, merely comparing the complexity of the systems, while SMT is less complex than Pokemon, it also 100% forces you to make use of everything its systems have to offer, while with Pokemon you can ignore like 60% of its mechanics in favor of mashing a strong move.
>>730895430What the fuck are you talking about? Is your schizophrenia acting up again?
What's the best version of Nocturne?
>>730895935ps2 maniax with dante
>>730895831>Is your schizophrenia acting up againNot currently, don't lash out at me because you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend my posts. Now fuck off back to your containment thread, faggot.
>>730896062At least you admit you n have schizophrenia
>>730896342>>730895157And this is your second post with grammatical errors. Having worse grammar than a literal schizo is fucking grim.
>>730896761Yeah that'll happen when you phonepost with phone you got today that has a screen larger than your last one. I'm basically using 4chan for practice for a few days before I go back to pc.Still a few typos aren't exactly on the same level as having 14 other voices in your head.
>>730893051It doesn't need to be defended. Superbosses are, by definition, meant to be optional, overtuned, possibly unfair challenges outside the scope of the main game.
>>730893431Devil Survivor Overclocked
>>730897040People complaining about super bosses like Demi Fiend or even Malenia are the same type of retarded as idiots that complain that a game is too hard but won't turn the difficulty down.
>>730897182Malenia isn't a super boss.
>>730845507This is actually kind of true just because EVs and IVs are so fucking autistic and retarded.
I could never beat Demi-Fiend or Satan so I put the game to simple to rush past them in one hit.Demi-Fiend as a fight wasn't so bad except Chaotic will just completely raped me with no way to recover from it. I always wind up stuck in a revive loop and by the time I'm not on death's door anymore he says gaea rages.
>>730897182The funny thing is both Demi Fiend and Malenia are optional bosses
>Beat the grueling, cock-smashing, sadistic Atlus faggotry demi-fiend fight.>He joins your party.>He sucks.
>>730899149That's the problem with non-pokemon tamers. Enemy versions are always going to be more impressive than what you get.
>>730899604I think the fact Pokemon is the only honest tamer game might be an underappreciated key to its success
>>730899770No it's the only tamer game most people care about for whatever reason even though Gamefreak's quality is getting worse with every game.
>>730899604They could have replaced 2 of his useless moves (javelin rain and mediarahn) with a phys pleroma and high almighty pleroma and nudged up his Freikugel damage slightly since it's unique and he'd at least be on par with some other of your demons.They also made his Deadly Fury attack so generic in 5.
>>730899149Satan is even more useless.
>>730900961At least you can change his moves to make him not so useless.Really sad about Megido ark looking cool and being so dogshit, but his physical attack animation being cool helps ease the pain.
>>730895194Nope, it's tied exclusively to choices and to quest choices for who you side with.I ended up neutral by pure luck, I followed the wikis list of choices and balanced my points within 1 of each other for those it said mattered, turns out there are clearly more because I had to pick a +3 law alignment choice at odin to get neutral when I should have been neutral by picking the choice with no points attached to it according to the list.
>>730900961Lucifer is even MORE useless.His passive couldn't even be conditional like "all attacks become piercing when charged", it literally just makes your basic physical attack that you'll never use pierce.
>>730897182Retarded statement, because they're not "hard", there is no difficulty to them at all, you do exactly what everyone else done. You're not overcoming a "difficult" boss, you're following a rubix cube solution except you don't get to move the rubix cube how you want it only moves in specific directions in a specific order.Most of the story bosses in the game, or the vr bosses, are objectively more fun to pit yourself against because they are simply better designed (unless you outlevel them on purpose)
>>730892421My man, V is the one game where that's a non-issueVengeance doubles down on that by giving all demons Innates which makes even low to mid tier demons a godsend in late game like Loa, Matador and Mermaid
Nioh 2 and Bloodstained are like Pokemon and SMT as well.
Which SMT game(s) have anti humanity route
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>>730901813The original SJ's endings were nothing but anti humanity routes.
>>730856030Vengeance fixes that a fair bitIt was cool when Tao decided she'd help her friend slaughter her bullies
>>730899893>Gamefreak's quality is getting worse with every game.That's because the quality of RPGs in general is considerably lower than pokemon
>>730897040>terrible game design doesn't need to be defendedglad we agree
Why do masses prefer persona over SMT?
>>730902803Escapism and living a life they never had.
>>730902803Because half of Persona games are a completely different genre
>>730902803High school double life has massive appeal, believe it or not
I dislike V's buff spells very muchManaging them is my favorite part of Nocturne and 4A's combat, it just feels far too worthless in V
>>730902803More accessible, less heavy themes.
>>730902803romanceable girls
>>730901629the comparison is they're both things you don't have to do(fighting an optional boss or playing on an optional difficulty) and yet people complain about them still>but they aren't fun or well designed so they shouldn't be in the gamethey are bosses that people find enjoyment and satisfaction in beating, otherwise they wouldn't keep putting them in the gamesif you don't, don't fucking do them. atlus doesn't give a damn that your gamer dick shrinks because you can't beat them
>tfw days later still cant beat Shiva on hard modeShould I just switch to Normal? Im about done with this purple indian nigga.
>>730902803Its stupidly anime, Not good anime either, like the ones with the teen kid with powers and an army of girls on his cock anime. Whatever dumb subgenre it is.
>>730905303>he cant beat shiva with just alice
>>730905398I'd rather not defend persona but if you've actually seen one of those shows you'd know Persona doesn't even come close to being as juvenile as them
>>730905642I'm baiting, I'm being ignorant and reductionist af for both of those in a bad attempt at humor.
>>730905442You don't need to convince me anon, I already love Alice.
