how many replacement parts until a rig is pretty much an entirely different pc? What's the oldest part you still got in your rig?
>>730844312speakers
>>730844312With all my PCs it's generally old HDDs that carry along between fresh builds. I ride them until the SMART errors start
>>730844312i replace monitors and the tower but my g502 mouse and Z623 2.1 speakers have been with me since 2014
If you replace the motherboard it's a new PC.
>>730844312No because it doesn't produce its own "plans" and "workers". Outside resources is not the issue.
>>730844312if peripherals count, then my monitor and speakers are both 17 years old nowinside the pc I think one of my ssds is something like 10 years old
>>730844312Not a paradox.It doesn't matter if the entire ship has been replaced, its essence (or "soul" if you will) is still that of the ship that was originally built.It's the exact same reason why piracy isn't theft.
>>730844312The PC is the motherboard. End of line. Change the motherboard, it's a new build.
>>730844847>Not a paradox.All a paradox is is a situation that runs contrary to expectation. To head you off at the pass, self-contradiction is only one variety of paradox, it is not universal to the concept.
>>730844312What if you replaced your PC parts with balls?
>>7308447082/2This is also why portals that deconstruct and reconstruct you would never work.
>>730845052NOSTOPNOT AGAIN
>>730844847Ok but what if when you removed every part of the ship you stored them and then perfectly reassembled them 1 year after the last piece was removed?
>>730844312your rig is your mobo. replace that, and it's a new rig
>>730844312>>730845357
>>730844312I can't quit the weed so i buy shitty used parts and blame that instead of the air quality when things break quickly. I think my oldest is my SSD running strong 8 years now.
>>730845340That's even less of a paradox than the OP
My PSU is from 2012 and one of my displays is from 2008>>730845457Needs more survivorship bias
>>730844786Ypu are going to feel like a retard when you finally upgrade your monitor. After I upgraded i felt like was living in squalor and didnt realize it.
>>730844312As long as you retain some core files between builds, it will always be the same PC.Fight me.
>>730845340Depends who built it
>>730844312when you format the drives
Only when can you can define what the identity of a PC can you say what it isn't. Is it the data that represents a PC or its electronics?
>>7308443644 Noctua fans, 1 Hitachi ultrastar 2 tb hdd , and a 500gb Samsung sata ssd that I bought for my first build in 2016 are still being used without issue in my current PC that I just upgraded in August. But honestly this one does feel like a different pc.
>>730844312It's all the same PC, same with it all being the same ship. Titles and identity is a concept, not a physical law.On a meta-physical level, replacing even a single component makes it a separate "thing". But there's good reason we don't threat things like that.
>>730845505How is it not? If the guy thinks the ship made of new parts contains the actual soul of the ship, what about the identical version of the original ship with all the original parts? Are they BOTH the ship?
Meanwhile, the Japanese understand the heart of the problem instead of engaging in centuries of pointless epistemological debates.
>>730844614pretty much, the main reason to upgrade a mother board is for a newer CPU socket and RAM DIMM socket.
>>730849435>But there's good reason we don't threat things like that.The reason we don't is because people like to believe in continuation, when that isn't reality. People mistakenly believe that they are the same person they were when they were 12.
>>730850657>go to Japan to see history>greeted with a 5 year old pristine shrineJapanophiles actually think this is okay.
>>730845340the fact that the parts are still collectively referred to as "the ship" answers that question"the ship" still persists as an idea that can be made to physically exist at a later time
>>730845052>You pick from a box at random>Its guaranteed to be yellowWell then its not random then is it dickhead
>>730844312I wonder what Joe Rogan would think of this. That retard failed to understand the monkeys typing out Shakespeare works.
>>730850843So now you have 2 ships, one of which is made of original parts, and one is made of replaced parts. Which one is the ship?
>>730850896It's not guaranteed to be gold, it's asking that if you pick at random and it happened to be gold, then what[...]It doesn't matter which color you initially pick because the question is really asking what is the probability that your box has two of the same color inside.And there is no reality in which it is 50%.
>>730844487damn i blow through a new logitech mouse every year, have you replaced any parts? and if so is it the same mouse?
>>730844312>how many replacement parts until a rig is pretty much an entirely different pc?Just one, the motherboard. If that doesn't change, it's the same PC. If that and only that changes, it's a new PC.
>>730844312I can afford to use Macs so this really isn't relevant to me
>>730844312Not a paradox
>>730844312motherboard. everything else you can slot in and out freely.
>>730845052Same question but there are 1000000 boxes with only grey ballsWhat changes
>>730845052>3 golden balls>only 2 are in a box with another golden balldid boomers really struggle with this?
>>730844312Theseus's paradox is retarded. If you replace one part, the new part becomes a part of the ship. It isn't a piece that isn't the ship of theseus, it is a part of the ship of theseus, just as much as the rest of it.If all you had was a sail and then you built a ship around that sail, that sail would make the ship the ship of theseus, because you intentionally built the ship around that part instead of replacing it, because you held that sail as an item of importance due to it being the sail from the ship of theseus. If you put that sail on another ship, the ship of theseus would cease to exist as the sail becomes a part of a different ship.
>>730850896you should be crippled at the neck and left in a jungle
>>730850896Yes. It's worder in a gay and misleading way to fool you into thinking it's asking a different question from what it expects you to answer. This is how math losers get their jollies.
>>730845052Statistics really is the science of the devil. I know that the answer is 2/3 but the argument for 1/2 is very sound.
>>730852386you should be crippled at the neck and bounced on my fuckin hog
>>730851898the only part i replaced was the feet because they got worn downeverything else is the same. i disassembled it like twice over the years to deep clean it.i think there was some change in how the g502s were made? I have one of the original ones with the cloth cord.
by definition its not the original ship because the parts are new
>>730844312The PC i had as a teenager was a prebuilt from bestbuy I asked for on Christmas. The next year I asked for a GPU and PSU. The next year I asked for a motherboard and CPU and case. The only thing left original was the hard drive. I think that shitty 1tb chinese hard drive is still on my new rig 14 years later
>>730852539Every cell in your body is different from the ones you were born with, yet you still pretend to be the same person and use the same name.
I usually consider it a "new" PC when I replace the motherboard, because that always means new RAM and a new CPU as well, which is enough parts to make me think it's a different thing.Oldest part is probably the case or one of the drives.
For a computer, it's the motherboard.For a ship, it's the keel.Find the core piece of whatever it is that's being repaired.
the crappy computer i have setup out in the garage is running an SB Live! value card i got for $25 back in 2001
>>730852663that's cause identity is an illusion and the universe does not have pointers to gestalt entities
>>730852663You never grow new neurons. Your brain is the real you.Also you just stumbled upon the argument for souls existing.
>>730845457Amatuer.
>>730852663I have few names I go by though. Considering my online Identity, my government identity, and various nicknames given to me by people who know me by varying degrees. I also change my behavior based on my environment, some of which are completely different from what I would consider my real self
>>73084505250%, it's either a gold ball, or a grey ball next.
>>730851745Okay I'll play your stupid game rabbi.I pick a box at """"random"""", excluding the double grey box entirely since despite picking one at """""""""random""""""""" we are presupposing we pick a gold ball, which would not be possible to do, given there are no gold balls in that box, so its 50/50 between the two boxes with at least one gold ball.For the first box, we then pick a ball at """""""""""""""""""""""""random""""""""""""""""""""""""", but it doesn't actually matter which ball we pick, since the subsequent ball is guaranteed to be gold as there are only gold balls in that box. So 100% of the scenarios resulting from the first 50/50 is picking a subsequent gold. Technically there are two scenarios, but we picked a box at random and then a ball at random, so it doesn't matter.For the other selection from our """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'random"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" box selection, we pick a ball at """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'random"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""", but we can only pick the gold ball on the first selection, and with one gold and one grey assuming that when we take a ball at """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'random""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""", we are in fact REMOVING that ball, and not putting it back in, then the subsequent ball is guaranteed to be grey. Which means that the chance of picking a gold ball at """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'random""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""", and then picking another gold ball, is
>>730852242Then the chances that you pulled a gold ball are astronically small.But if you do, then the chances that it is the box with 2 gold balls is higher than the chances it was the box with 1 gold 1 silver. I don't know if it's still 2/3rds but I know common sense and logic dictate that whatever ball you initially pull is more likely from a box with only that color.
>>730844312>be Hittite pirate>encounter The Ship of Theseus>kill everybody on board and take it>christen it The Ship of Hittites>now it is The Ship of Hittites and not of Theseus>not a single particle has changedErgo, the object in it's 'sameness' is defined as a social value, not in it's continuant parts. In short, you can change as many parts of your PC as you like and it will still be 'Your Computer' as long as you consider it that way.
>>730852873Holy melty batman
It is the original ship because the idea of a ship is constituted by the people who built and crew it. It itself is just a collection of wooden planks, which don't all come from the same tree. So the idea is perpetuated by humans, and thus so long as the ship maintains the identity of that ship it remains that ship.
>>730852947>now it is The Ship of Hittites and not of TheseusNo, it's just the Ship of Theseus being piloted around by thieves.
>>730844312Its a different pc one it has a different CPU socket Everything else is fair game to swap out
>>730844312Windows dictates that when your motherboard changes, it's technically a different PC.
>>730844614I think this is the correct answer.
>>730852774>You never grow new neurons.Sir, you have flunked biology. You lose about 50,000 neurons and regain about 1,500 neurons every day.
>>730853067Maybe for 20 years it was the Ship of Theseus, but I ripped off the plaque and replaced it with mine so for the next 3200 years to all those that saw it it was known as the Ship of HittitesUnless you're going to start calling this place Abya Yala or Khéya Wíta?
>>730852774We are actually beings of light held together in physical matter
>>730852339So your idea is that one specific part of the ship is THE ship? Alright, so now we have the ship of Theseus and Steve, they went half and half and bought the ship together. Theseus thinks the ship is the sail, and so he takes the sail off the ship, and builds a new ship around it. Steve thinks the ship is the body, so he takes the body of the ship and adds a new sail.Who owns the original ship?
>>730852774>Also you just stumbled upon the argument for souls existing.It's an argument for the body being more akin to a persistent pattern across time rather than a discrete clump of matter. The same way a whirlpool in a river is a phenomenon not an object.
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>>730851745Picking one gold ball means you lose access to 1 of the two remaining gold balls as not all 3 can be in the same box.Thus your only options left are one gold ball and one silver ball. 50/50. It's not 2/3 because, again, pulling one gold ball eliminates not just the silver ball but two of the total gold balls, not just one.
The PC of Theseus
>>730853525You're more likely to have picked the gold ball in the box with 2 gold balls than you were to have picked the one in the 1 gold, 1 silver box. It'd be 50% if you pulled a ball out, and were told that the box you picked had at least 1 gold ball in to start with, without knowing that ball you picked. Because then you could've taken the silver ball.Because you took a gold ball, it has to be 66%.
>>730853268DIVINE LIGHT SEVEREDYOU ARE A FLESH AUTOMATON ANIMATED BY NEUROTRANSMITTERS
>>730853525That's not how it fucking worksWhatever ball you pick has a higher chance of being from a box that contains only that ball, therefore the probability that the remaining ball in the box is the same color as the one in your hand is higher.Math has proven this, simulations have proven this, THE FUCKING CREATOR OF THE PUZZLE HAS PROVEN THIS.I guess we need to form a large scale experiment involving hundreds of people to drive it through your fucking skull in real time.
>>730853525The question is one of how you pick your ball.If you treat the balls as discrete objects, where every ball is meaningfully different from another, and pick a random ball, it is 2/3 because picking the first golden ball from the first box is a different event from picking the second golden ball from the first box, i.e. there are two events where you have a golden ball left, but only one where you don't.If you treat the balls as fungible, then it's 50/50 because picking the first golden ball is the same thing as picking the second golden ball. But in that case you actually picked a box, not a ball, so this is likely a wrong interpretation.
>>730852873
I prefer the humble goat door to this ball bullshit
>>730853525>>730853685The question is intuitive if you frame it as "repeat the experiment 100 times and then throw away the samples where you didn't pick a gold ball the first time", since then it naturally arises that you'd be picking the 2gold box twice as often as the 1gold1grey box. As opposed to picking once at random and assuming you get a gold ball, since the mechanism of WHY you got the gold ball despite picking at random isn't explained. Maybe the grey ball is shy, who knows.
>>73084505233%
>>730853839I don't understand how it's even an issue, it's literally a "WHAT IF YOUR RANDOM FIRST PICK IS GOLD?"There's no fucking trickery or wordplay involved.It's just a hypothetical.You could have picked the fucking silver ball first and the question would be exactly the same fucking thing.
>>730853685>>730853718>>730853728That's wrong. You've eliminated the other two boxes entirely from the pool of possibilities once you've picked it, leaving you with the option of a double color or dual color box. Looking at it as "Well TECHNICALLY there's three gold balls still in play because of the possible options" is faulty logic as there are only two possible options for your box.
>>730844312Ship of Theseus is fundamentally flawed because it doesn’t explain what it means to be the same thing. In some ways it is, in some ways it isn’t.
>>730853831It's remarkable how poorly explained this usually is.It's a choice between one door you picked, or the two doors you didn't pick. Of course you go for the two doors. Oh, one has a goat. You already knew that, they can't both be winners after all. The goat door is a distraction. One door, or two doors. It's that easy.
>>730853831The goat door is much easier to understand if you just increase the number of doors, the balls are a little bit of a trick if you think of the first trial as valueless.
>replace every part of your body including your brain with someone elsesI fail to see how it is not the exact same person………… trvke
>>730853932>You could have picked the fucking silver ball first and the question would be exactly the same fucking thing.This is an easy way to explain it.You pick a random ball. It's either silver or gold. What are the odds that the second ball in the box is the same color as the first ball you picked?
>>730853868Right answer to the wrong question, acceptable (some fucker changed "another gold ball" to "silver ball" in the question)
>>730854002I've given up on even comprehending how people so vehemently defend answering 50%
>>730851168They're both the shipOne is Theseus'The other is Frankenstein's
>>730854002Look at it like this instead: You've either eliminated two gold balls from play or one.
>>730853937Alright let's just say the double silver doesn't exist from the get go.You pick from 1 of the 2 boxes at random.Do you have a higher chance of pulling a gold ball or a silver ball?Why is that?
>>730854097Lolwut
