Hey /v/, was ATB the worst thing that ever happened to jarpigs?
>>730848370Only zoomer Troonsona fags believe this
>>730848370The worst thing to happen to JRPGs was the Square and Enix merge
>>730848370the continued popularization of removal of dungeon crawling is. even fucking SMT has binned dungeon crawls. E33 which while a fun game has the FFX school of level design, that being mostly hallways.
>>730848505I think it was strategy jrpgs taking over. Feels like there were a few years where every jrpg that came out was some flavor of fft in the ps360 era. The money left the genre pretty quickly when that happened.
No. Next question.
ATB was a fucking nothingburger system that Square never did anything interesting with outside of giving the tutorial bosses for four straight games counterstances, which could have still been done in a purely turn-based game.
>>730848930Chrono Trigger I think handles ATB in an interesting way in that you actually have to weigh whether or not you'll wait for multiple party members to queue up for actions, or just attack the second someone's up. problem is that the game is pretty easy so it's not a massive consideration to make but I do quite like how it leverages the ATB system
>>730848370the worst thing to happen is no meaningful changes to the turn based formula in 30 years. the only game i can think of that made a meaningful change was bravely default. adding an extra dimension to the turn taking was a brilliant idea and it is a real shame that no other game has tried it since.>inb4 some undertale fag or e33 fag starts talking about what those games didthey did nothing interesting for the formula. all they did was try to move away from the formula rather than enhance it.>inb4 press turnpress turn is a dogshit system that actually removes decision making.
>>730849272>press turn is a dogshit system that actually removes decision making.how do you figure that?
>>730849272You have shit taste, please kill yourself on your funeral pyre dalit.
>>730849374undertale is a bad turn based game that has a bad shmup tacked on. the novelty doesn't suddenly make those things good.e33 doesn't actually do anything new, it is the mario RPG formula with some FFX and persona thrown in. overall it isn't bad, but it isn't pushing the envelope of design in any meaningful way.press turn makes your choices in the game for you because there is always the optimal action to take that will activate the press turn to give you an additional action. you don't actually have to think strategically about any of your choices.
>>730849761>press turn makes your choices in the game for you because there is always the optimal action to take that will activate the press turn to give you an additional action. you don't actually have to think strategically about any of your choices.so do you just never buff or heal because those don't give you extra actions? never pressed focus in Nocturne? never used an almighty element? lol
>>730849272why does something need to radically change about turns?it's not even RPG's purely, but something like x-com wouldn't be better off if someone tried to reinvent what a turn isall you need to do to make turn based combat interesting is to make every turn actually matter, that's it, it's that simple, and it's what makes Larian games so popular
>>730849934those games are not really what i am talking about. SRPGs and tactics game have the player thinking in multiple dimensions. there is inherently more to do and think about when positioning and physical space matter to the combat. minor tweaks to that formula can feel huge and affect how things work (especially when you are able to add in things like stealth). most 4 niggas games feel exactly the same as each other for over 30 years. no meaningful changes, just the same shit ripped from the last game and slapped on some cutscenes for a glorified VN.
>>730848370No, but most implementations of it are strictly inferior to turn-based in every way, since they're just turn-based games with some wait times injected into them.
>>730848370>was ATB the worst thing that ever happened to jarpigs?Yes, absolutely>Here's 7 quirky rules to learn and 5 menus to navigate to choose your super special move trick>Better do it quick or the mobs will beat you to death
>>730850407Turn on Wait Mode if menuing is THAT hard, bro. They have you covered.
>>730851131Why does wait mode in Final Fantasy only apply after you pick a top level menu?Why doesn't it just always apply? It makes no fucking sense
>>730851242because then you couldn't wait things out the second anyone's turn queued up, like the first boss of FF7 with the tail. it makes plenty of sense you're just a brainlet
>>730851242If you want to be kind, for the sake of strategy so you can 'wait out' ally turns and pass to them if you want to combo commands (think Reflect+Attacking Spell).If you want to be honest, laziness. Plus a bonus of fucking with fast-forward fags forever.
>>730851242Because wait mode is not true ATB.
