why did samurai warriors never catch on as much as dynasty warriors? SW2 is better than the best games in DW series
>>730859183No clue either, and yes SW 2 is the best game in the entire franchise. Honestly shocking how much effort each character story has despite the occasional obvious budget cut.
>>730859183>>730859715SW1 also aged gracefully. That game still plays well and looks great with that PS2 Y2K dark aesthetics. In some aspects I prefer its more lowkey vibe to 2.Also the cleanest, most timeless OST desu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaxGEDke_RUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvxYJRInsGgThe distinction between PS2 era DW and SW's rock and techno was more clear back then.
>>730859183They made a very questionable decision to release SW3 as a Wii exclusive.Then, the Godspeed/Hyper attack they introduced in SW4 was a pretty divisive mechanic, some liked it, others felt like it made it so that the enemy mobs might as well not even be there with how quick you can clear them away using it.
>>730859917Samurai Warriors 1 PROBABLY has the better soundtrack, but I must admit I do have a lot of fondness for the soundtrack of 2. Especially new tracks like Odawara castle.
>>730860102This. 3 killed its momentum. Whole console just to get this game and when you do, you find out that it's slow and not as good as 2.SW4 era was fine, just like 7 and 8 for DW. Not as beloved as PS2 ones but still alright. But SW5 fucked the dog.It's a tragic repeated cycle that Koei went through for both DW and SW. Cross-gen missteps that were DW6 and SW3 were rough but they bounced back for that gen. Then again, for the end of the gen they fucked the dog even harder with DW9 and SW5. DW's fuckups were worse but they still bounced back faster because it's a bigger series. SW3 and 5 were not as bad as their DW counterparts so I'm hopeful we get a Samurai Warriors 6 now that DW Origins refreshed the template/engine.>>730860302Oh absolutely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfnK3WpjPHU defined the whole franchise for me. Same how https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoDoQiRTi5M defined Dynasty Warriors.
>>730859183SW games are "better" purely on a technical standpoint, but often fail to capture the same charm as DW. They try but never quite get it.Also rotk >>>>>> sengoku and it's not even remotely close.
Samurai Warriors Origins but the ziluan is a cute Japanese girl.
I'm getting the itch to replay this should I pirate the PC version or just emulate the ps2 one?are there any actual differences?
>>730861940either pirate 4 or emulate 2+2xl. both are good but in their own way, 4 is maybe a better entry point but 2 is better over all. 4 has some really good qol stuff though like being able to summon your horse
>>730859183i never liked the character designs. Armor looks dumb and overdesigned, DW is more grounded with some outliers
>>730861940PC version doesn't have XL. Also I don't remember if the PC version even works properly anymore. Warriors Orochi PC ports has sped up FPS issue on some monitors. At most the difference might be better SFX like the xbox version of DW5 but it's not worth it since again it doesn't have XL.>>730862068Why pirate 4? DX is a great port with all DLC.
>>730862276i just assume he didn't have the money to buy dx, you can easily find a pirated version of dx online
>>730861940Emulate 2E too.And prepare to get your ass kicked if you think you can ever solo anything, the game has a very infamous stat scaling system that makes enemies much stronger they outnumber your forces.
>>730860102>>730860863I'm still floored by the idea to make SW3 a Wii exclusive, when the natural upgrade would've been the PS3, which also would've been able to handle the increased game speed and such.SW5 is so close to being good but it fell into the cloned moveset issue, linear gameplay,and to make matters worse, it took the worst story beats from Kessen 3, but without the Overarching Mori(not the Chugoku region clan) narrative peaks. And when I say that I mean like the whole "Nobunaga is actually just the good guy and everyone else is evil and incompetent" as well as making the Shogun an unlikable retarded coward, then it goes even further beyond with a Code Geass like beat of "No no you see, Nobunaga wanted to pretend to be evil so he could die and take all the hatred with him".In a game that manages to cover the Monk Massacre they somehow manage to make him extremely boring.
>>730862149>Armor looks dumb and overdesignedDude what? SW designs, especially for 1/2 are great. I mean look at this peak alt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tmYm0OhYgk >DW is more groundedDW was only ever grounded among couple of PS2 examples. After 5 it all went to fucking shit. 6 with its super saiyan Ma Chao and Guan Yu, 7 with fucking Jin characters wearing medieval plate armor from some fantasy porn larp set, Sun Jian turning into a Tekken character, Yuan Shao getting deformed into a clown, 8 characters using boats, benches, robot piledrivers and fucking pizza cutters oh fuck off, 9 making Lu Bu wear a plastic yellow spartan armor and putting the entire cast in Republican era Qipaos because that's what Japanese associate with China since the 80s etc.Koei is Japanese so it's to be expected that Samurai Warriors would look more culturally inspired and referential but them never giving a single character a two handed Han-era jian is insane after 20 years.But I gotta give them credit for giving Lu Bu his black Mingguang armor back from DW6, with dumber shoulders albeit.
>>730859183Doesn't this have an expansion? Xtreme Legends. Or should you just bother with the base game?
>>730863298You should always play these games with XL loaded together.
>>730863094Despite the silliness Huang Gai's boat moveset is 8 is one of my favorites ever. Really fun WRASSLIN moves
Because it would reveal that the slimey passive agrresive yayoi government and Christians conspired to make the samurai kill each other.
>>730859183Worse setting. Less memorable and distinct characters than Three Kingdoms.
>>730863094i really can't hate on the stupid weapons because they didn't have to give all 80 characters completely unique weapons and movesets but they decided to just go for it. and some of the new stupid weapons are fun as fuck to play too like ding fengs big ring
>>730864272>XunYuXunYou>tfw Yu Jin starts talking to Yue Jin
>>730865768xu shu and xu zhu as well
>>730864153It's why fists are my favourite in origins as well since it has the powerbomb
>>730865768Reminds me of this
>2026>still can't tell guan ping, guan suo and guan xing apart
>>730859183REINFORCEMENTS: the game.Samurai Warriors has the worst reputation of a thousand men just appearing at random to ruin your day than any other Musou title due to the lower character roster and the developers clearly not knowing how to balance the level designs of maps.
>>730868036>REINFORCEMENTS: the game.No that's Fire Emblem Binding Blade. Never saw such blatant abuse of the entire concept of reinforcements, although to be fair DW5XL comes close sometimes.
>>730859917I FUCKING hate the castle segments of 1, but damn the game has the best atmosphere out of any Warriors game.
Not really fan of the combat itself. Enemies felt too "soft", when hit.
SW2 wasn’t even better than SW1.
>Huang Gai>he’s not the only person thereSHIT franchise
you are a true warrior of the three kingdoms
>>730867416Guan Ping has the big sword but that's the extent of my knowledge on the Guan boys>>730867339What's this, free mode chosen character or dream sequence level?
>>730872112Free mode but I'm not playing as ZhenjiThere is a generic Wu officer with an incorrect name in the original DW3, and Wei's Zhenji on the same map. You can make 'em fight after a while if he survives until the end.
>>730872112In DW3, the NPC general Chen Ji got misspelled as Zhen Ji iirc
>>730864249Has any of the newer SW had a Christian or Korean character?
>>730872349There's Gracia but she was introduced way back in 2XL. Kanbei converted to Christianity later in his life, but the game never mention this.
>>730872349Yasuke was a Christian, yes.
>>730872292>>730872294>Zhen Ji (male)
>>730872923Yeah
>>730859183Don't know but I generally prefer the cast compared to DW's. Partially because I just like Jap history more than clone wars chinkshit.Nobunaga > Cao Cao
>>730873137Seeing musou maps always make me wish there were more strategy in it. I know Kessen exists but playing K3 made it look like the troop formation is very rigid
>>730865768>Fourth day as a 2nd Century warlord:>We attempt to join a battle on the side of a guy we want to ally with>But he and the guy he's fighting have really similar names and it's finally dusty and I misread the standards and attack the wrong guy.>So now we're stuck with this total loser of a liege lord, because how the fuck do you explain that after a battle?
>>730873321Closest thing to strategy if you ask me is the "all allies survive / all enemy generals defeated" jap challenges in DW3. Even if that eventually boils down to routing, officer sniping, and morale gacha if it's on Very Hard at least.
>>730873485It's just such a tease seeing the troop bar thinking there's a way to raise it up when I first played. I'm sure there actually is but it's really inconsequential all things considered
>>730873906Troops bar cannot be raised I think.But what you can do instead is locking checkpoints, so common enemies cannot keep respawning regardless of officer troops bar.
>>730872923 Every time I show someone that screen they think I photoshopped it. DW3 was wild pre-patch. Dude’s got morale stars like he’s supposed to matter too lmao.
Because DW simply has better drama and larger than life characters when on screen reallt fucking chew the scenery. Also imo better music. The j rock mixed with chinese instruments is really what sets the tone with the series.
>>730874049Or you could grind for 5 KOs at a time. Which is exactly what I mean, I used to think flipping checkpoints would mean your army gets more troops over time, but there's really not a mechanic for that. At best there's the scripted reinforcement units
>>730874286Unfortunately not in mainline games, but there was a tactic doing that in Empires.
>>730874227It's DW3 so if you really want you can follow him around, kill officers that he happens to engage, and raise his morale high enough eventually so he just solos the map until the boss.
>>730874249Japanese instruments with trance is amazing too.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T2jJdLPBiBMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-46-oi22YWarriors Orochi mixing it all together is peak https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6499R8lzn1A
i hope we get a samurai warriors in the origin style but maybe less gay than origins
>>730878014That's just Chronicles. Never played the ones on the 3DS, but the 3rd one on the Vita was really good.
