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Its now a trend for younger people to track down the parts to build a "dream vintage rig". Which more often than not is some form of 1990's pc used to play boomershooters and the like natively with time specific hardware.

This drives the gen X'ers i know furious. How do you feel about this strange injection of neo hipsterism in the second hand tech market?
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go back
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>>730871924
every reddit, twitter and bluesky post should be autobanned
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>>730871924
Some of us Gen X saw the world was going to shit, so we held onto the tech instead of trashing it.
Now it's supplementing my early retirement selling it to people who still care about it, even if they're hipsters. They're hipsters with money.
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>>730871924
Soon we'll all be considered hipsters for owning any hardware in the first place, buying up what's left is based.
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>>730871924
I dunno
Feels pointless to me
CRT monitors were always much crisper than CRT TVs of the time, and modern monitors have basically zero input lag compared to modern TVs, so there's two benefits of retro consolefagging out the window
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>>730871924
>The AIjew is artificially drivinf up RAM and graphics card prices
>AMD and Nvidia want you to rent PCs from the cloud and be happy
>Zoomers say No and buy old hardware instead to play boomershooters
seems based
t. millenial
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You already answered your own quesiton. Alternatively that could have been posted on reddit.
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>>730871924
Old tech is bulky, mechanical and cool. But most of all, it's tangible.
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>>730871924
good for them, at one point everyone will realize that something like floppy disks is a much better alternative than relying on cloud storage and that fully digital devices with short lifetimes by designs are a dead end

soon everyone that centralized everything to their smartphones and "echosystems" will curse their entire life when the big companies they invested in for the false sense of reliability they thought they offered turn their backs on them
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>>730871924
I had escape velocity nova on one of these
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>Its now a trend for younger people to track down the parts to build a "dream vintage rig".
did you just forget the entire decade of 80s kids making NES and SNES videos on youtube? adults do nostalgia retard
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>>730872041
Threads chads keep on winning.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
>SHUT THE FUCK UP
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>>730871924
I don't do vintage parts but I like to find unassuming PC cases, give them that old PC grey yellow color and put my parts in. I'm glad workspaces are adopting dual monitor setups, makes me desk look a lot less "gamery"
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>>730871924
>zip drive
Those things sucked anus
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good for him
>>>/g/o back
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>>730872295
This. It gives me the slightest glimmer of hope.
Ignore the obvious jeetbot replying to you.
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I dunno man. I think Zoomers are funny more than anything else.
>get to know the zoomers in the gym
>easily impressed by my mediocre lifts
>they are so friendly with me, I'm not sure if they are scared or gay
>come to appreciate it, because the rest of the world treats white men like demons anyway
>shocked when they overhear me talking to some other dude about megabonk
>"You play videogames?"
>show them my steam account
>my main badge is the 21 years of service medal
>"YOOOO CHECK IT OUT"
>"ARE YOU DEADASS RIGHT NOW"
>"HE WAS THERE AT THE START!"

I can basically impress them by breathing. It's kinda neat.
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>>730871924
Who cares. Let them play with old shit. It's how you learn to appreciate newer shit.

Maybe if you tried reading classical literature you'd learn to appreciate words and sentences. Fucking dunce.
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>>730873310
They're the little brother generation. Treat them well and they'll idolize you.
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>>730871924
And millennials didn’t do this shit with vinyl records and VHS tapes already? There’s always young people who think old stuff is cool, usually weirdos.
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>the “old good, new bad” movement now hates vintage hardware
What happened to our movement? Are we now going to start playing modern games?
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>>730871924
Performative nonsense
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>>730871924
hahaha wait until he finds out about the click of death
one of his disks will go click click click and then his drive will go click click click and then all of his dicks will go click click click and in a panic he will douse it everything with wd40 because ChatGPT tells him to do it and his computer will explode and burn down all the townhouses that in the row of townhouses that he lives in and he will char to a skeleton trying to rescue his 5 heavily gaussed trinitron monitors and the nonfunctional 1970’s console tv he uses as a 500-pound monitor stand
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>>730873650
Nobody liked floppies even when they were current and only retards pretend to like them now.
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I use those 100MB ZIP discs to transfer files from my more recent (think 1998 or 2001) computers to a 1996 PC that doesn't have USB. It's a shame retro computer stuff is becoming mainstream, but at least I got in before it was popular.
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>>730871924
Video games?
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>>730872750
Zip disks were great in that little period after floppy disks became worthless for data but before USB drives took over (so roughly 1998-2005). The only downside was the "click of death" which was a dying drive and could easily destroy disks but I think that was only on certain models and was still rare.
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On a serious note: it's not a dumb idea to stock up on cheap pc parts from 5-10 years ago and build a couple PCs for reserve use. Sooner or later new PCs will be so jewed with surveillance, they'll refuse to work without internet connection, or will refuse to play any pirated media. If you want to consume any pirated or questionable content in the future, you'll need to use older tech that'll eventually become scarce and skyrocket in price.
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>>730873723
I liked floppies when they were current, and still like them. I went out of my way to buy mobo's that had ide ports for two of my PC builds in the 2010s when it was still kinda possible to find boards that had them
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>>730871924
I don't mind this, I have like four old machines, at least two of them can be perfectly emulated now so I have no reason to keep them. If these kids are retarded enough to pay obscene amount of money for them, they can have it. Hell I have an original boxed Riva 128 (nVidias first non-shit card that turned the company into what it is today) in great condition with all original discs and manuals, it's not even sunfaded. Who wants to pay $1000 for it?
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>>730873996
Why don't you shill prepper food as well?
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>>730873996
>it's not a dumb idea
It kinda is. A lot of components will fail to function, used or not. People are talking about how these zip disk drives can fail, but with how old they are it's probably _possible_ to tear them apart and repair them
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>>730871924
based
gaming on old hardware especially crts is the best
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>>730871924
Just do things you enjoy and don't worry about the rest. Be kind and stop complaining about everything. You're just making noise and it's not helpful. Complaints are often based on negativity and spoken put the energy out there. I think it's no big coincidence internet accessibility coincides with the world going to shit. All anyone wants to do is complain. You speak the world you want.
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>>730873915
Are PC games now banned? You realize that a ton of people believe PC is the “master race” for video games, right?
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>>730871924
lmao they call us uncs then they go and do the same shit as us, fuck them
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>>730875750
Wtf does unc even mean? That some kind of slur ESL kids came with?
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>>730875750
This has always been the case. Or are you forgetting all those hipster millennials collecting vinyl and trying to dress up like they grew up in log cabins
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>>730871924
because modern games are wokeshit and past games are fun
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>zip drives
NO, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME GO BACK
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>>730875750
unc is not a slur its a mark of respect like cuz. boomer is the slur.
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>>730872649
My girlfriend is racist and plays video games. She doesn't care that I can't play guitar.
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Tons of game stores have closed, and resellers bought up their stock for pennies. They’ve been astroturfing retro gaming in an attempt to offload tech trash onto impressionable zoomers.
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>>730876042
>Can't show Nazi symbols even if they're the enemy now
How many levels of woke is that?
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>>730876451
About 6. The main goal is to completely remove these groups from history because they did bad things as if you learn they existed YOU might do the same bad things and that is a problem.

No, the concept of being doomed to repeat history does not enter the heads of these people. Knowledge is the enemy.
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>>730876592
Makes sense. Now that the internet exists, teaching or showing media about them being evil could be counter-productive since people might later read about their motives online.
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Zip drives are a highly effective way to lose all your data. Second only to raid 0.
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>tfw I have made over $10,000 selling off various bits of outdated hardware and media to hipsters last year due to growing up as a poorfag and always being a few generations behind.
I don’t care why but thanks for helping with the down payment on my house I guess.
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>>730871924
>Ragnar Rox
>child
?
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>>730872649
>valuing a woman's opinion
Dilate and go back.
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>>730871924
old = good
new = bad
not much different than millenials going for vynl records.
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They are bored OP. Boredome leads people do the wildest thing and overstocked old discs that nobody buys anymore due to emulators need to be dealt with so they groomed them into this feel that you are special because you are doing different thing kinds of stuffs
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>>730872649
She's right. This is why my wife is Asian. I basically don't have another option.
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>>730871924
One hipster is not a trend. STFU.
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>>730876592
>remove these groups from history because they did bad things
I think they're more afraid of people learning WHY the Nazis opposed Jews. They have literal Holocaust classes in America, but they NEVER touch on this, at best you'll get a half-assed excuse like "Hitler needed a scapegoat" or "Germans had a history of unfounded racism / anti-semitism"
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>>730878109
Gaza lost lol, too bad the genocide isn't real.
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>>730872547
>>730872041
Truth Social for real american patriots
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>>730871924
These things were a failure when they came out. Way too expensive for the average user, and CD-R was right around the corner.
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>>730871924
I just wish they'd stop accepting scalper prices. Makes my enjoyment of my lifelong hobby a lot harder.
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>shitty beige tech stuff
I'll never be nostalgic about that garbage
t. millenial
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>>730873310
Its generally normal for young men to respect older men, that's how most social animals operate.
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>>730873663
have you considered writing fiction? You have quite the active imagination.
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>>730872649
she isn't wrong
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>>730872649
Why doesn't she do something productive instead of browsing social media or watching netflix / YouTube?
Because she's a hypocrite.
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>>730874294
nta, but keeping a suplly of canned goods and bottled water is also a good idea. You never know when a tornado could blow through and interrupt supply chains (or other natural disaster).
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>>730875878
an insult gen alpha came up to criticize shit older than them, literally saying stuff only uncles like
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>>730874478
Stuff can fail while sitting on a shelf unused, but that's usually due to manufacturing errors or poor storage. If you keep well made components in a cool dry place, they should outlive you.
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>>730878992
CD-R existed at the same time, it was just more expensive.
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The game ran fine for be, but had random constant crashes. Would this fix that too?
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>>730871924
I can have 1000 SNES games in a usb dongle that I can carry everywhere. Why should I want to use obsolete tech to play my old slop?

t. 4chan nigger since 2008 born in 1987
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>guys look this random nobody posted on a website nobody uses about how he bought obsolete tech!!!!!
>posted on the same website and board where it's common for some even bigger faggot to brag about buying other obsolete garbage tech CRTs
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>people born in the 80s are nostalgic for the 90s
>people born in the 90s are nostalgic for the 90s
>people born in the 2000s are nostalgic for the 90s

Was the 90s the peak of modern civilization?
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>>730873310
bro zoomers can be CRAZY friendly actually - look at any zoomer posts before shitting on them - alright, there's sybau's, too, but I feel like that's more alphas
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>>730880051
If you were a failure in the United States during that time you were likely either a drug addict or criminal. All races, all classes, all age groups were doing fantastically well. It was unironically a post racial, post cold war, capitalist hyper power dream where everyone was hopeful
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>>730880051
Yes, it was. Literally.
Utopia-tier illusion of peace and optimism. Crazy technological evolution rate each week. Unrivaled vidya, untainted by normies.

The early Y2K days were the swansong period.

Everything started going downhill 9/11.
Everything was beyond salvation come late 2007; iPhone, Wii and Facebook.
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>>730880023
Interest in the mechanics of the technology mainly. Its like people who collect model trains.
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>>730880051
There's a lot of love for the counter-culture media produced in that era.
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>>730872649
Too bad him doing that is way more impressive than anything that woman will ever do
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>>730873968
The click of death on Zip drives was relatively common; by the time the rate of failure was slightly improved, CD burners and cheap stacks of CD-Rs simply became more affordable and convenient for the majority of people who needed to back up/move data with portable media until flash drives came along. Zip Disks weren't a big success, they were just the only "superfloppy" format that didn't immediately fall flat on their face in the marketplace.
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>>730872649
lol the seething replies. She’s right, video games are unattractive. But who cares, the only reason to get upset at her for it is if you’re a hollow shell of a human who can only get into a hobby for the sake of what someone else will think and feel called out.
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>>730874478
Retarded argument. Components can die over time even when unused, but they can also work 50 years later. You protect yourself against passage of time by building several PCs, giving an almost certainty that some will outlive you.
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>>730871924
I'm happy because it means I might be able to finally find a cute zoomer GF that's into the same things I am
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>>730882094
Yeah, there were other competitors, like there was a floppy drive called SuperDisk that was reverse-compatible with old floppy drives but its own proprietary 120MB disk, and there was Iomega's own Jaz drive, which was meant for longer-term storage and had 1GB (later 2GB) disks. These were super-expensive. According to a 2000 copy of MacWarehouse (one of the many Mac catalogs at the time) in 2000, a 2GB disk was "only" $99.95. (For $660 you could get a whole hot-swappable 20GB hard disk, so a Jaz drive wasn't a great bargain since the device itself was another $350...and few people had Jaz drives).
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>>730872295
ZIP drives are still useless trash though. At least they're very near the bottom of the usefulness barrel in 2026. This is even if you have multiple old rEtRO PCs.
I wouldn't burn CD-Rs in 2026 either. (though I can understand owning optical drives for other purposes)
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>>730871924
>the children
>younger people
brother it is millennials doing this shit
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>>730882896
I can imagine burning a CD-R and adding a sticker to give yourself a "physical copy" of some older PC game

For the severely autistic
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>>730882965
>Muh millennials
I run an emulator
I have no love for the IBM and Macintosh era of PCs, outside of its historical significance.
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>>730871924
An interest in older storage solutions is good if you want to perform data recovery and archival, but actually using it in builds new or retro isn't really practical.
There's a reason that people use Compact Flash to IDE adapters for HDDs in things like Windows 98 machines. Those old motherboards without SATA connectors obviously weren't using new HDDs or SSDs, though looking it up it appears that IDE SSDs exist now specifically for legacy motherboards.
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>>730882750
You had so many different formats that kept coming one after another, and then SD Cards and flash drives came along at the turn of the millennium, and were such an objective decisive improvement in functionality and capacity (especially with the iPod Shuffle and Nano motivating a massive drop in flash storage pricing and making gigabyte territory suddenly consumer-viable) that they're STILL commonly used almost a quarter of a century later. It's kinda like what happened with optical mice completely obsoleting ball mice (though IIRC the tech was already at a consumer-viable pricepoint for years before it finally took off).
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>>730883010
>>730882896
CD-Rs are good for cold external storage. USB flash drives by their nature are meant to be reused, and therefore are going to be. So any files on them will probably get corrupted or deleted at some point. CD-Rs can't be rewritten even you want them to be. So that means once you burn an ISO or some music, you have it until the disc is physically destroyed, as opposed to whenever you need that flash drive for something else.

>disc rot
Keep your house cool, humidity low, and your discs away from direct sunlight and this won't be an issue.
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>>730872649
>playing guitar
>non-imaginary achievement
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home pcs are the equivalent of boomers with their radios sitting on the porch screaming to no one
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>>730871924
I find it hilarious how these zoomers glorify outdated trash hardware. I grew up with that shit and CRT TV and monitors, and I couldn't be more glad they are a thing of the past.
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>no microtransactions
>no endless skinner box FOMO treadmill
>no political agenda
>just a FUN game

i mean, in retrospective, it was kind of inevitable
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>find a bunch of floppies
>find your own pictures from 2004
good times
I've got even more floppies, but lack the floppy drive.
I mean I have a drive, but nothing to connect it to. Might use ArduinoFDC and just raw dump each floppy, I'm genuinely curious
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>>730883464
The compact flash solution is done by youtubers because they regularly want to run dozens of OSes in different configurations on the same machine, and the easiest way to do that is to swap CF cards, which conveniently are IDE devices, meaning you also don't have to worry about it working on one machine, but not another, unlike many SATA to IDE adapters.

If you have one machine that you want to keep in the same configuration, its better to use an actual HDD or SSD, since CF cards are painfully slow, even compared to 90s hard drives. I tend to prefer HDDs because they're cheaper and I don't have to worry about the aggressive (and very necessary for everyday usage) page file usage that old Windows versions do using up the limited writes on an SSD.

>IDE SSDs
Pretty handy for laptops where a SATA adapter isn't an option. Still would prefer new IDE hard drives though for capacity and the sound.
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>>730883960
You can get USB floppy controllers, or even a USB floppy drive for pretty cheap if you just want to save the files.
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>>730872649
I can do both though
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>>730876356
Stop lying annon
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>>730882262
It's not unattractive, it's the way people use them for achievements, they aren't real nor will be considered real cause it's all fabricated code
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>>730878716
it's just bluesky for trumptards.
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>>730871924
No idea. Only legacy media that's worth it imo is hard drives for the sake of data hoarding.
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>>730882723
I tried but couldn't. Zoomer girls only want chad
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As a 27 year old zoomer, things from before I was born and for a while after were just better
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>>730884694
I will make the case for optical disks as a long lasting, cheap, and disposable storage medium, but the other stuff is basically just novelty. Its like antiquing with electronics.
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>>730871924
its far smaller than you're making it out to be, and its just some pretentious niche thing like vinyl records. same fags, new clownshoes. nothing to see here.
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>>730872649
>guaranteed replies every single time
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>>730876042
>i literally can't believe antagonizing people and yelling "nazi" in their faces has made them take the opposing stance, I am so le disappointed
nobody could have ever predicted this.
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>>730871924
My little brother just says it's cool to be off the grid. That's about it. Pretty sure it's just the hip thing to do right now. This will end soon enough.
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>>730887396
People have been calling off the grid lifestyles cool since the colonization of the new world.
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>>730871924
>vintagemaxxing
modern slang is beyond retarded
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>>730887552
nah
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>>730888446
Did you completely miss all those romanticized images of mountain men and cowboys in your highschool history textbooks?
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>>730871924
I doubt it's a thing.
Just because some retard says this on twitter or a few zoomer buy some hold hardware doesn't make it a thing
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>>730888763
It is a thing. I know because I like to collect old computers and my hobby has gotten 10x more expensive due to the recent influx of new people.
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>>730888905
Or, you know, old stuff has been dying out for the last 10 years and it's harder to find.
Also just emulate and then it doesn't even matter.
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>>730873310
>This generation actually respects their elders, wtf is wrong with them
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>>730871924
Modern technology is too shitty and expensive. Also retro/vintage hipsters have existed since forever
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>>730883464
>combining older tech with more modern one
That's cute but pretty boring to me. I get the appeal but I'd rather get an era appropriate magnetic drive for my Amiga 600 instead of going the easy way and just using a CF card as the storage medium and dumping everything on that.
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>>730889036
>Or, you know, old stuff has been dying out for the last 10 years and it's harder to find.
No, its scalpers. I've seen people charge $500 dollars for a "retro vintage gaming PC" 2004 Dell Dimension with no AGP port when I got the same machine, with monitor and speakers for $6 at a yard sale just a few months prior. The "scarcity" is entirely artificial.

>Also just emulate and then it doesn't even matter.
I collect for the hardware, not for the software. Most of what I do isn't even gaming.
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>>730889256
the vast majority of IDE drives are now dead, good luck buying without the click of death
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>>730889592
>good luck
Thanks
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>>730889592
nta, but SATA adapters exist. They're what I use.
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>>730889649
no problem
but dont say you werent warned
>>730889684
most sata drives are still fine, for now
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>>730872649
Do women not realize that men do things for reasons that have nothing to do with them?
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>>730871924
I remember wanting one of those back during my early teens, but CD-RW became super cheap fairly quickly and I just forgot about it.
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>>730889758
SATA HDDs are still in production. I bought a brand new one just a few days ago. As long as data centers exist, they will remain in production.
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i have an internal 250mb zip drive, and an external 750mb one
just thought id share that
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>>730883673
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>>730876451
>people now realizing they were not the enemy after all
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>>730876042
Maybe if you didn't call everyone to the right of Mao a "Nazi", this wouldn't be an issue.
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>>730883673
>Keep your house cool, humidity low, and your discs away from direct sunlight and this won't be an issue.
You have no idea what you're talking about. That will not stop the adhesive compound they used in CDs from decomposing. It's inevitable, just like every battery will leak acid at some point.
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>>730871924
Because everything around them is digital, there is nothing tangible and real.

They grew up in a fake world, what do you expect is going to happen eventually?
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remember, zoomies
be kind -> rewind
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I always thought records were pretty cool.
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>>730890253
I believe it when I see it. I have burned discs from the late '90s. Tested a few a couple of years ago and they still worked.
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>>730871924
Zoomies are interested in old trash tech. There is nothing wrong with that.

I grew up with this stuff and want nothing to do with it anymore. Zoomers will never understand how frustrating it was to be dependant on floppies and zip drive slop. The SD-Cards we use these days are heavenly in comparison.
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>>730889959
can you read?
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>>730890454
Yes. I just wanted to trigger you by bringing up CD-RWs.
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>>730889592
I lost naked pictures of my first girlfriend due to drive death. Very tragic, because she had the best pussy of all time.
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>>730890253
Yeah and every piece of matter in the universe will eventually radiate away into nothing. All that matters is that it lasts long enough, which well kept CDs do. I have CDs and DVDs that are decades old and still work fine.
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>>730871924
can you blame them modern woke slop sucks
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>>730883939
If my students finish all their work early I let them play scorched earth. Crowding around a keyboard to play a game that is just a game and nothing else is completely windblown to them.
They need me to operate dosbox for them, they seem to think it is powered by magic.
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>>730890525
Cool. but my post was about CD-R, which is a separate format.
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>>730890527
im sorry for your loss
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>>730871924
damn kid could have just asked me for mine. Pay for shipping and maybe $5 and its yours
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>>730890417
I still remember the command to compress files/folders into several ARJ files that would perfectly fit regular high density disks (with no bad sectors in them).
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How do you even connect this? Are there ide to sata or usb adapters?
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>>730871924
How many people even used zip disks? Everyone I know jumped straight from 3.5" floppies to USB thumb drives.
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>>730890598
Cute. You should buy and bring an old laptop to class, so you don't have to emulate.
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>>730890705
i had 1 techie friend who had one
i personally went from floppies to CDs to DVDs before even touching a USB
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>>730890702
yes, he probably has an IDE motherboard to attach it to though.
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>>730872649
>single feminist woman in her 40's lmao
used up and dying alone
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>>730871924
Fuck off back to whatever faggot social media you come from
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>>730890705
from what I've heard it was relatively common in corporate settings.
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i've never used a zip drive
t. 30 year old boomer
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>>730872649
But TTFAF is harder on GH than real guitar
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>>730880718
olympias birthed alexander the great, let's hear what you managed to equal that
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I'm fine with children discovering what I grew up with so long as they're also not shitting on it and wondering how anyone could have fun with something so primitive.
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>>730872547
yeah all 3 of them
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>>730890901
most didn't, zip drives came out when CDs were already a thing. It was DOA
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>>730873310
hm how old are you anon?
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>>730890901
They died out pretty quickly and not many people had them. Never became a standard – partly because apparently the later drives that could read and write disks with more storage space weren't compatible with the earlier smaller disks.
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sup oldfags, you now remember:
>having to set drives to master-slave with jumpers
>files on floppies getting randomly corrupted, and having to use the windows floppy disk repair tool
>managing IRQs
>every case fan was 80mm and loud as shit
>that fucking dial-up modem noise
>creating an airflow dam with those flat grey IDE cables
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>>730891298
i am the master of HIMEM.SYS
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>>730889045
i tried respecting the boomers. don't recommend it. there's no future in it.
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Unc can also be an endearing term referring to an older person you see as an uncle, like ojisan
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>>730891298
All based. Felt like I was actually operating a computer those days.
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>>730891298
Who gave a shit about airflow in the 90s? Most CPUs didn't even consume 30W and GPUs could run purely on PCI slot power.
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I'm an 80's kid. You still couldn't force me to engage with anything released in the 70's or prior without a gun to my head. MAYBE Star Wars, but that's fucking pushing it. Everything before I was born was shit.
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>>730890570
CD-Rs degrade much quicker than standard CDs and DVDs, which are written with more expensive hardware designed for longevity. If you burned anything 20+ years ago on a cheap burner now's the time to see if they still work, especially if you used low quality CD-Rs. I do agree that "preservation" autists can go too far. All you really need is something to last 40-50 years, especially if it's your own personal stash.
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>>730872649
if he was a chad she would be commending him for his cool hobby
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>>730891638
I still have a bootleg copy of Revenge of The Sith from 2005 that works.

Personal experience aside, well kept high quality CD-Rs will last long enough, and are cheap enough to regularly copy if you really want to be sure.
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>>730872083
I never understood why so many people I knew basically kept trading their shit into gamestop for pennies just to buy newest thing.
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>>730876042
Because the Internet exists and people now know nazis were actually based, no one believes the school indoctrination bullshit anymore only woke little retard npcs dislike nazis
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>>730880051
I was aged 6 to 16 during the 90s, the literal definition of a 90s kid. I'd give anything to return to it & it's depressing the kids today missed out.
I think it was peak childhood though no idea why zoomers think it was, they never experienced it. All zoomers know is that some women have a penis, that blacks invented everything and being gay n woke means you're cool..
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>>730891440
Boomers (unironic) are hellspawn.
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>>730892451
latest Zoomers were born in 96 and got to see the tail end of it at least and if not directly through osmosis of older siblings
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>>730892159
I have that phone on the right. I should get a c64 and replicate this setup.
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>>730871924
>The virgin Zip Drive
>The Chad Jaz Drive
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>>730892451
its mainly historical media from the time and stories from older people that make zoomers admire the 90s
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>>730893006
>born in 96
4 years old when the 90s were over, how exactly did they see the 90s retard
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>>730878992
They were comparable to usb memory, not cd-r
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>>730882896
Some hardware is locked to zip drives though, pic related was used in some hip hop and electronic albums during the 2010's, Kanye West was seen carrying these. Theyre part of the same model line Roland put out during the 80s and 90s.
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>>730871924

shill ass marketing firm thread - i'm so sick of you people - you lied about inflation for decades on end now you don't understand why young people can't afford anything - eat shit and burn
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>>730872201

there's zero input lag on OLED tv's over HDMI, tardo, shit could only possibly even matter in like CSGO or something
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>>730872649

roasties deserve gamer boyfriends - match made in heaven
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>>730891891
Literal npcs. I know I had a friend like that too. They don't think, they just want.
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>>730873310

zoomer men are desperate for older men that are actually based and not netflix/hbo watching faggots - they all have weak fathers
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Just copped this lil nigga. Need to order a DP-to-VGA adapter to use with my newer hardware, so at the moment only thing I have with analogue output that can connect is my old PC with a 7850.

I also want to finally see my Dreamcast in 480p, but the VGA cable is hardwired so I need to get a male-to-male adapter for that
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>>730894147
>but the vga is hardwired
Why did they always do that?
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>>730891574
As it should have remained.
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I still have a Windows 98 PC hooked up to a Nikon Coolscan for scanning film negatives. Ex-photo lab equipment that just werks for its purpose.
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>>730894337
I guess they never thought it would be used any other way than directly into the back of a pc with a VGA port.
Kinda annoying. Also this is splitting hairs, but the shorter the run of an analogue signal, the less interference, and the hardwired cable will mean that the length will be twice as long as it needs ti be when i use stuff like a Dreamcast VGA cable. Oh well, i'm sure it's well shielded

I have an old PS/2 gateway keyboard and a beige intellipoint mouse somewhere as well, think i'm gonna try to complete the aesthetic for this one. Maybe find an old beige PC case too, idk
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>>730891102
>a breeding machine, specifically designed to breed, bred a single successful male among billions of non-successful ones
you have higher chances on winning a bet on jesus' return date
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>>730871924
This shit's retarded. With CRTs or old consoles it makes some sense because the experience is actually different, but zip drives are just straight up objectively worse in every way (speed, capacity , reliability) than USB flash drives.
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>>730891298
you also now remember how if you didn't line up the ide connector perfectly, which was often tight as shit, you'd push it in and bend a few pins
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>>730891298
The most I ever got to suffer were Molex plugs in like 2012 (at the ripe age of like 20) Fuck those things.
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>>730894934
Back then usb drives had less capacity than zip
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>>730872649
>unimpressed by a guy that sits alone all day in front of a computer twiddling around and making weird sounds on some funny looking plastic instrument just for the sake of doing it a bit faster than anyone else
>would somehow be impressed by a guy that sits alone all day in front of a computer twiddling around and making weird sounds on some funny looking wooden instrument just for the sake of doing it a bit faster than anyone else
I know it's some indian farming for insecurity engagement, but if it was a woman it's definitely one that's never dated a guitarist.
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>>730891298
You could turn off the modem speaker. They didn't make much noise if you did that.
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>>730895669
Well yeah obviously it served a purpose then, but it makes no sense to use one now
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>>730883673
Do they even sell quality CD-R blanks (or DVD-R) anymore? Last time I looked into BD-R media quality was complete trash. You can take a fresh disc out of the packaging, burn something on it, and it'll immediately have bit errors if the burn even finishes successfully. Buy another brand, same issues. I guess the lower bit density of CDs may compensate for garbage media quality a bit.

I feel like the better solution for getting tempted to delete stuff is to just buy lots of disk space anyway. Large hard drives cost more money up front but are much cheaper per GB or TB than optical media. External HDDs tend to be even cheaper than internal ones (some suspect HDD makers put shit tier binned disks in those but you can buy internal HDDs + DIY SATA to USB enclosures if worried) and HDDs don't degrade and lose bits by themselves when powered off for long periods of time like flash memory does.

Of course old computers can have problems accessing large hard disks and DOS & Win9x don't even support NTFS or another proper filesystem and if you have everything on a single large HDD and it fails, well, it can be a bigger inconvenience than losing a single 700 MB CD. (not an outright catastrophe though since you should always have backups of any irreplaceable data)

I have most of my storage in internal HDDs which are in a RAID setup where two drives can fail. It's also shared over the network which partially negates the need for external storage and can work around the inability to access large disks directly.

>>730890253
Storing them properly can *extend* the lifespan, but that assumes the media isn't garbage to begin with.
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>>730896276
M-Disc Blu-Rays are the only recordable media that doesn't seem to be shit.
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>>730872295
>You vill own nothing!
>goes back to owning something that predates them
Based broccoli heads
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>>730894031
ikr
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>>730873310
If you can build a Jim Jones style cult of personality based on this imagine what the others are doing at scale. They're gravitating towards you because their alternatives are so objectively garbage it doesn't even warrant mentioning.
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>>730891891
Desperation and abject poverty is a powerful mix when applied right
>tfw EB games is kill now
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>>730896912
>tfw EB games is kill now
I thought that was a good thing with the numerous threads shitting on whatever gamestores you guys chose to shit on that week. Wether it be Gamestop or CEX
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>>730890527
stuff like this is what makes boys into men
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>>730897030
If I wasn't broke I would've been in the bread lines running around the block. I saw them yesterday it was insane. They had to run security detail just to stop the sweaties from trampling each other for Popshit and plushies.
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>>730894934
>objectively worse
Sure, but you forget that it's really more about the hunt. Gives people a reason to hit thrift stores and garage sales. Post about finds to retro tech or gaming boards etc. It's just something to do.
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>>730896430
The real secret was to dip them in wood varnish after they cooled to get a durable and smooth outer layer so they didn't crack.
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>>730880051
I actually love the 2000s more than anything. 90s feel very tacky and fake to me. Even it's counterculture feels that way to me. Meanwhile, the 2000s were more real and authentic in my eyes.

Obviously my perception of all this is very biased, but i guess that sort of the point of this discussion
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>>730891298
No
I do however remember stuffing my finger in the speaker hole, taking the mouse ball out and rolling it around in my mouth, and trying to make the dogshit logitech webcam ball not face away because of the stupid cord
Oh and recoloring every browser window lurid electric blue and red so it was like acid to look at
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>>730897683
For me it's lime with a side of Japanese autistic polishing. It worked for the Celts during their headhunting escapades.
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>>730896912
There's literally an EB games in the mall 10 minutes away from me.
Shit is just a place to buy model kits now though. They have a lot of gunpla alongside the crappy pop shit and manga.
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>>730872649
But anons told me women NEVER hated men for playing vidya and it was all made up in my head
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>>730898093
And you're better off getting them from online retailers. EB is just convenient.
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>>730898692
Convenience turns you into niggercattle
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>>730898093
Getting shut down because the board have decided to pack up and go. Every store across NZ is getting the chop. I tried to sell them some crap a week ago and the dude said don't bother because they were all getting fired by the 30th. They wouldn't give me anything for it when everything is going out at 50% - 75% off. $3 for old ass PS3/360 physicals from what little they still had left in the bins.
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>>730898729
Some times they have some one off kits that may have been out of stock on websites
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>>730898692
To be honest I usually get my gunpla from a local card shop, not the EB games. But if I wanted a rare kit I'd go online yes. The one I want is prohibitively rare and expensive, the Spider Ball. I don't even bother looking for the non-gunpla stuff like MaK.
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>>730898736
I mean why even bother trying to trade/sell there, just sell your NZ shit to tards on ebay dude
Didn't realize you were NZ though. On the plus side you live in a place that's envied by many.
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>>730871924
I'm a zoomer. I asked my dad for his 90s PC's Case, Floppy Drive and DVD-Rom drive. He gave them to me because he hasn't been into the PC hobby for 20 years now.

Almost hunted down a LS120 superdisk drive but I waited too long to buy it and somebody beated me into it.
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>>730882262
>lol the seething replies
where? most of them are agreeing with her anyway
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Be honest what did you do to your mouse ball
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>>730900006
Throw it at people.
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>>730880051
The world was great in the 90's
Design and Art were at its peak and milleniumcore art was literally on par with Art Deco
And vidya had the best innovative stuff ever on PC and consoles

Also say as you please, but Dial Up was a blessing in disguice for it filtered normalfags
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>>730874294
retard
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>>730873310
Why do you think all those grifters online get away with it?
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Fax, what the fuck is a fax? I assume by the talk of not having to print they mean email but why would you need to print and email to send it!?!?!?!?!?!?
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I used an external zip drive for a while when I was young. we had two computers, one with internet that I had very restricted access to, and an old slave system that wasn't connected that I could use whenever I wanted. I used floppies to move things between the two, but was always sad when a file was too big to fit (didn't find out about multipart rars/7zip until much later). I was sad that some snes roms I really wanted to play, like earthbound, couldn't fit on a floppy even when zipped, until eventually my dad remembered he had an old zip drive and gave it to me. 100mb felt like I'd never be able to fill it up haha
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>>730872041
WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK LIVEJOURNALERS!!!
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>>730880342
Did you know since 2007 adolescent child suicide has skyrocketed into the 2020s?
A 54% leap in young men and 72% in young women
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>>730900654
Faxed your mum lel
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>>730900969
Millennials caused that.
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>>730901162
2007 is also coincidentally the beginning of social media (as we know it)
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>>730900969
Well stop putting them in rockets then jeez ez solution requires ez problems amirite
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>>730900969
may i see the stats
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>>730901275
Another detrimental social trend spurred on by millennials.
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>>730901442
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/youth-suicide-is-on-the-rise-yale-aims-to-save-lives/
I'm not at my personal computer so I dont have the actual study on hand
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>>730871924
Every generation romanticise about times before they were born. Video games just became old enough to join in.
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>>730900205
did you kill them
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>>730901937
Of the ones I hit only 2 survived.
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>>730901969
how many did you hit
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>>730879585
People who say things like that usually are losers without hobby
>why do you play guitar hero instead real guitar?
>but do YOU play real guitar?
>[npc noises]
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I dont believe this is happening at all.
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Configuring old hardware was such an arcane process; hats off to zoomies if they want to figure it out. If I want to play DooM like it's 1995 I just boot up Chocolate Doom and get the same experience.
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>>730871924
this post has nothing to do with video games
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>>730880051
>gen x likes nirvana
>millenials like nirvana
>gen z likes nirvana
>gen alpha likes nirvana
I thought teenagers are supposed to hate their parent's music. How did he do it?
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>>730902181
I do not care for nirvana
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>>730902005
7. I had to stop as it was becoming too suspicious.
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>>730873723
What? They were fine for what they were at the time. It only started getting annoying when there were better storage mediums out there and they started making programs that needed 5 floppies to install.
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>>730896430
a real "we're in the future" moment for me was when middle school library bought the neutered mice and i didn't need a disgusting mouse pad anymore
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>>730902360
damn that's impressive
you're a sniper with balls
don't kill me ok
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>>730872041
the worst ive seen was a somethingawful hyperlink thread. not even a somethingawful screenshot thread, the image wad a frog the actual subject of the thread was a fucking hyperlink to a different forum
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>>730902719
Those publicly used mousepads got fucking disgusting.
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>>730903351
You will never understand the plight of the public trackball user
I watched a kid rub snot all over it then roll it around
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>>730902919
Now people just link discord shit
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>>730905767
whats the other guy looking at?
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>>730882750
I had a superdisk. It was so annoying. Like a modem you could listen to the noises of it and just know you were in for a bad day. It would make the VRRs, and the click click, then the voot voot, then you clench your butt cheeks waiting for the chik-chik-chik of data access but no, you hear click-click, voot-voot again and you know you've got another disc that's gone bad. They were brilliant at reading 1.44MB discs though, even ones that normal drives wouldn't.
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>>730896276
I think it's the drives, not the media. I have an ASUS BD-R USB drive that just randomly generates garbage burns. Even on DVD-R and CD-R. Fortunately I have vintage burners for those that still make perfectly fine discs. But BR is an ongoing problem that's difficult to solve when there's like two companies still doing burners.
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>>730906051
the same background
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>>730871924
I don't blame them. They want to go back to a better time that they never had. The problem is that even if they buy all the floppy drives in the world, they're still on this homofacist earth in this homofacist time line with white extinction to look forward to. They will never know the white world that we grew up with.
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>>730873310
I showed some zoomies vintage skins I had in fucking Brawl Stars of all things and that made me the coolest unc in the room.
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>>730872487
Fuck yeah Escape Velocity.
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>>730897717
The 2000s were just reheated 90s leftovers with extra wiggershit and tribal tattoos mixed in. I dunno how you could think they're the less tacky decade.
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>>730902232
>gen beta
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>>730910750
Not him but I was born in 2000 and Nirvana's fucking gay
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>>730907473
Up until the late 2000s or early 2010s, Google was fucking amazing and the best, ungimped web search you could ask for. And then it got a jeet CEO in 2015, sealing its fate.

Always remember that.
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Why don't zoomers use CRTs then?
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>>730891574
>90s
Most of that list was still relevant in the early 2000s.
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>>730873310
I know exactly this feeling. It happens to me at work. I left a job of like 10 years to a little podunk operation, and I feel like I just have a lot of experience with really basic stuff (why I left, I kept asking for the big boy projects and they didn't respect me enough to give them to me), and my zoomer cohorts are insanely impressed with everything I do and are constantly knocking on my door to ask me advice and principals.

Hell, it doesn't even have to be careers. If I'm in a 4chan-based chatroom somewhere and I mention that I've been coming here since 2007, the zoomies get really wide-eyed, especially when I'm just explaining "Yeah, it went from this meme about Epic Fail Guy to Green Lex Luthor, and this is the reason why /v/ has their dubs disabled..." and it's weird that they're hanging onto my every word.

I guess the grandpa telling stories at the campfire didn't really go away, the campfire just changed positions a little bit.
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>>730871924
>gen X'ers
boomers
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>>730911749
grandpa wasn't a newfag who recited encyclopedia dramatica
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>>730912038
Uncyclopedia really.
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>>730912038
I think that's what makes it weirder to me. I got bored of grandpa in my young adult years just cause I basically heard all of his stories thanks to TV and the internet. So it's weird that actual young newfags care so much about what I have to say on the subject. They don't even try to troll me like you're failing to do to me right now. They legitimately are just fascinated that someone was "there" during the earlier years of shitposting.
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I have an old 12inch CRTV that I want to get rid of. What's the best way to sell/give it away? Salvation Army won't accept it.
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>>730913850
Give it to me
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>>730873968
>click of death
Not an issue once ZIP250 and later came along.
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>>730914265
Okay. How do I deliver it?
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>>730914831(me)
I'm not joking.
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>>730914831
That's what I want to know, ebay has sellers somehow so there has to be a way
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sup fellow kids
you dont know shit about tech
just saiyan
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>>730915920
I was thinking about posting the TV for free or one cent but the buyer pays for the shipping. Seems fair.
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>>730872295
>>Zoomers say No and buy old hardware instead to play boomershooters
Ah yes, because Zip drives are so fucking useful, it's like a USB drive but will cost you 15x more for 1/1024th the storage and operate at 1/500th the speed
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>>730916234
you aint got that rizz tho
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>>730871924
>perfectly matching beige

Nigga they were all beige.
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>>730898617
Women hate losers.
And by definition anybody who spends 9 months and 50,000 attempts at anything that doesn't enrich you or develop you as a man makes you a loser.
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>>730872649
She's low key not wrong.
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>>730916216
>2005
acquired a computation machine that accepted 3.5" floppy's, each more worst than it was. soda_tray was tired by that time
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>>730880051
Yes 90's was peak. Though 80's had some good stuff too like Knight Rider, Airwolf, Transformers, etc.
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>>730916019
This man can either prove 9/11 was an inside job or he doesn't know what day of the week it is.
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>>730890936
Being good at a video game won't get him laid.
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>>730916086
That's a good idea, you'd just have to figure out how to ship it at that point but I'm pretty sure that just requires you going to the post office and you can put the shipping/packaging cost accordingly. I would collect everyone's old CRTs if I could though
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>>730871924
billionaires dont get money from it which is funny because i cant afford what theyre selling in the economy they created anyway
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>>730917019
Pretty sure eBay sets up the shipping costs automatically and that's handled by the buyer. I just need to list and ship the TV itself.
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>>730871924
I have never heard of a single person doing this but that said I fail to see how it’s any different than Millenial hipsters liking phonographs and vintage cameras.
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How do I build an anti-gaming PC from the 2000s?

I want to build a vintage PC that's completely useless for gaming.

I want my PC to give me the image of someone who hates Gabe Newell, hates Steam, hates Valve, hates Half-Life, and hates all PC gaming.

What do you think my anti-gaming retro PC should have?
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Because they think if they make it a trend what they have now will be worth more in two decades times. Kind of like how old pokemon cards are worth a lot of money today.
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>>730871924
If they're actually interested in it, why get mad?
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>see a vid on someone building a 'retro' rig
>it's nearly the best possible spec for a given era you could get
I don't think these guys understand how Win95/98 gaming used to actually be back then, when you were generally scraping by the min spec, which got you 20-30fps at 640x480/512x384 if you were lucky.
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>>730871924
>This drives the gen X'ers i know furious
Ah-boo-boo
>newfaggot retard has forgotten about the 'le wrong generationers' of the late 2000s/early 2010s where millennials nostalgize the 80s and before.
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>>730871924
No but seriously though you're a fucking retard if you think this phenomena is something unique with the younger crowd of today.
Also look up the romantic era you historylet, retarded historylet.
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>>730871924
Old games I understand, but what's the point of collecting legacy media? it's entirely useless when you can get a 64 GB flash drive for less than $20
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>>730871924
Idk I love retarded zoomers dumping whatever amount is asked for junk I've had for 20 years. Literally just sold a Walkman I bought for a couple bucks at a salvation army in 1994 for $200.
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>>730871924
>RagnarRox
>Young

He's in his late 30s, idiot.
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>>730916019
>sir, a second plane has hit the fax machine
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>>730891298
I bet you guys had like six toolbars in IE
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>>730872649
how can bitches say this unironically while sucking off the husband's wealth,
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>>730891298
>sup oldfags
No, kill yourself, you don't belong here you crawl back to your retirement home we don't need you shitting this place up.
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>>730916424
why do women think being a disgusting whore is funny
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>>730922117
She's a whore because you wouldn't date a phenotype like yourself?
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>>730872201
Because it's not always about the crispness, and some games were made for a CRT Monitor, and some games were made for a CRT TV.
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>>730922614
A lot of retro consolefags love CRT TVs because of how they blend the pixels together. But CRT monitors have very sharp pixels.
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Its either autistic people, people who wish they were autistic so that they'd have an excuse for being weirdos with no friends so get an obscure and lame hobby or YouTubers desperate for content.
>uses to work in a computer repair ship, we'd get spergs in who would sift though piles of old broken shit because they were 'collector's'
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Old hardware is good.
Magnetic storage is fucking dogshit though.

Whenever I get my hands on old PC hardware, I upgrade it to solid-state storage. Really breathes new life into old systems.
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>>730923478
I pretty much just pop this into any old rig I acquire/have kicking around. Also allows me to skip the aids that are ATA ribbon cables.
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>>730871924
TWITTER ISN'T REALITY
GO OUTSIDE
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>>730900916
Haven't thought about that site in fucking forever.
Still run by russians?
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>>730872295
Same, gives me a lot of hope for them
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>>730872649
no kids, no voice
jk even if she had kids I wouldn't care kek
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>>730889847
>As long as data centers exist, they will remain in production
To nitpick the industrial strength HDD interface is SAS not SATA.
Not that SAS controller cards are particularly expensive, you can easily buy multiple for home use. (the cheap ones are always either older cards or chink LSI clones but they'll work fine)
Big companies can get custom stuff from HDD makers (eg. I know host managed SMR HDDs exist but I've never seen one being sold somewhere) but since a lot of parts are shared with regular disks sold in retail maybe it doesn't ever end up screwing smaller customers too much?
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>>730872649
Ngl are they self aware by now that like weeks being an empowered non married dried up woman isnt a good look either? Sure they party but no smart handsome man would ever keep them. Too easy to upgrade on the younger version of them.
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If people get mad about this, it's just their reptilian brain being irrational about the undeniable reminder of their mortality. They do not like to be reminded of how the flesh suit they wear is rotting and how they will soon the be low value social outcasts. Having all of the things they grew up with reused, reduced and recycled by the next gen forming in what can only be described as a mockery of their childhood. See what I did there with the reduce reuse recycle? We don't even say that anymore, I just know you guys used to.
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>>730916682
Fix your filename.
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>>730910839
so just like u nigga lmao reckt
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>it's a youtube/tictoc trannies using their audience to drive old shit prices up with their faggotry episode
>it's a rerun
it's all so tiresome
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>>730871924
Not quite as cool, but I've got an external zip drive (Z100P2 made 01/06/2000).
No idea what is on the diskette, the only computer I have with a parallel port is dead.
One day I will get a little suction cup and stick the plastic window back into place with either glue or double sided tape.
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>>730924718
The thought of tiktok influencers showing off their "haul" of old computer parts from the 90's. I mean it's bound to happen, they'll need a new gimmick eventually.
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>>730924718
>most of the shit being bought is flawed/broken in some manner
I only like the YouTubers that actually have electrician skills and know how to troubleshoot/fix shit, even if the end result is a fucking mess of soldered wires all over a board to jump or unfuck some traces.
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>>730924793
Do I get to sell my pile of old fully working ISA Sound Blasters and SB clones at a huge markup to zoomers any time soon?
GUS is already there but sadly I've only got one GUS and I want to keep it for now.
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>>730902043
Fucking jumpers
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>>730916019
The more you look the better organized the room appears.
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>>730925829
After giving it ten seconds, I suspect he probably knows where everything is.
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People have always done this because it's a cheap and fun hobby. The only thing that changed is covid raped the used market for commonly known consoles and games pricing people out of hoarding old tech willy nilly, so people wanting to fuck around with old technology had to find different rabbit holes than owning every color of the N64.
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>>730921949
cry more, newfag :^)
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>>730871924
>children
>ragnarrox
Are you retarded?
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>>730911035
Weird how the exact same thing started happening to windows and xbox when microsoft got an indian ceo
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>>730871924
because everything nowadays is soulless this trend is happening in every cultural sector, videogames, music, movies, tv etc there's a big number of gen z and alpha that barely interact with any modern media
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>>730890253
I buy used CDs. Some of them were not stored properly. Some are very old (I have several from 1984). They all play perfectly.
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>>730871924
Because everything new sucks and falls apart after a month
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>>730871924
>I bought useless junk to be performative on twitter
kek
>>730872649
not wrong but I don't value the opinions of femoids
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>>730911035
>>730929728
indians are unironically the bane of tech companies. they have this culture of "infiltrating" a company and over hiring indians. for every good (not even great) indian dev I've met I've also met 100 terrible ones
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>>730922869
I like CRTs because of the motion quality. You need at least 960Hz from a modern monitor to properly simulate this.
https://blurbusters.com/crt-simulation-in-a-gpu-shader-looks-better-than-bfi/



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