>the whole scene was a red herring and new vegas sisters had a multi-year melty over nothing lole
I told you people when the episode came out that it didn't mean vault tec actually dropped the bombs, only that they would if no one else did, but no one listened.
you are a dumb nigger for actually watching television
>>730875694
OP doesn't know how television is written
>>730875465>realize you made a dumb>oh shit we need to fix this>pretty much retcon the entirety of the first season and all of the world building they didthe only thing bethesda is good at is retconning shit
>>730875465>Rob-CoIt still annoys me
whatever happens to the Fallout Ip it will cause a meltdown because it's a cult classic, meaning the fans are cultists
>TODD HATES NEW VEGAS, HE REMOVED IT FROM THE CANON!>Show dedicates an entire season to NV
>>730877091and it just so happens to completely humiliate and BTFO nvtroons, so what?
What was the point of this red herring?Also, what was the point of using California and Nevada if you wanted a wasteland with no factions or cities?
>>730875465>what is damage control
>>730877537The point is to market Member Berries without any of the effort of adapting an established setting.
>>730875465The thing that they should've done was a pre-war America, upto the nukes flying. We'd get to see Anchorage, annexation of Canada, cutthroat politics, civilisational collapse, and realisation that nuclear apocalypse is a mercy killing.Instead they decided to do the dumbest way of doing post-nuke world - Fallout 4 assests and questionable writing.One thing i will give a kudos to them for is that each character in the show (post-nukes) behaves and acts as if they do indeed have perks. Like that BoS guy who was good with a scoped "rifle" but absolutely shit with a pistol. Maximus having nerd rage perk. Ghoul being lvl 50 (by NV standards) char, etc etc.And power armour. So thats two neat things.
not interested in talking about realism in a game w/ mutants and talking ghouls
>>730877537look i dont love the show but i will say in fairness they have always been obscure about who did it and any ‘proof’ in game can be handwaved as US/China/Russia propaganda
>>730875465what happened, I don't watch this show
>>730879930
>Lucy "Around Ghouls, don't be a fool" McLean>Lucy "Shoot the Mut" McLean>Lucy "RadAway" McLean>Lucy "If you're not smoothskin, you won't get in" McLean>Lucy "Beat the bomb? Not for long" McLean>Lucy "Normie Uprising" McLean>Lucy "Glowing Ones get the gun" McLean>Lucy "Look like rot, you get shot" McLean>Lucy "No hair, no nose, no service" McLean>Lucy "Twice-cooked" McLean
The Ghoul dead or what?
>>730880702>mfw when the writer's retardation is a red herring
>>730877091>>TODD HATES NEW VEGAS, HE REMOVED IT FROM THE CANON!The people who say this have never played NV, and likely don't even play videogames. They just use /v/ as /b/-lite with a little sprinkle of /pol/ (since even /b/ ignores outrage threads now)
>>730881157>Lucy “Call me a frog face one more time you rot-nosed frickin’ zombie son of a bitch, God I freakin’ hate them so much” McLean
>>730879870And?
>>730881157>Lucy “Cough up the Buffout before you get snuffed out” McLean
>>730875465>red herringit always amazes me how many people post here with the sole intention of ham fisting in some new term or phrase they learned but they clearly have no clue what the term or phrase means so they just end up looking like a retard and their opinion is mass discarded.
>>730881157>Lucy "Has a plan to fuck a black man" >Lucy "Her dream is a BBC cream" >Lucy "Can sense a black from far back">Lucy "Black cock is hard as a rock">Lucy "Impregnation by BBC Domination"
>>730875694fpbp
>>730881825>another common ameriwhite not thinking about racemixing for white minutes -challenge failure
>>730881612>cope meltieNV is superior to every single Besthesturd game and Todd knows and resents it, even more so after his """passion project""" flopped hard while TOW2 did way better in comparison.
>>730881825aaaaand the weird little browncel has to make it about cringy cuckshit. fuckin gay, dude.
>>730879870Tim Cain has directly said that China started it (to punish the US for inventing FEV) and New Vegas and Fallout 4 are both full of hints that America was caught totally off guard by a Chinese first strike
>No Radio Free UtobithaShit show
>>730882090>unironically enjoys watching racemixing propaganda that also shits over the lore by the very virtue of being written with antiwhite rhetoric in mind
>>730875465Can someone give me a rundown?
Is he still a good choice after the show?
Is this okayI thought the first season was okay
>>730884678After the Brotherhood of Steel ape inserts the cold fusion catalyst into Lucky 38's cold fusion reactor and powers up the super computer hosting House's vast mind, yes.
G-G-ghoul bros, it is over
>>730877091>Show dedicates an entire season to ruining NVftfy
>>730875465>it was just a double who has been pretending to be house for the last ten years>wow that’s retarded>uhhh… FUCK YOU TRANNY
>>730875465>incredibly poor reception to both the writing of that particular scene and the casting choice makes them realize they fucked up>rewrite season 2They probably would've retconned Shady Sands being in LA too if they could. Convince me I'm wrong
>>730881825
>>730875465>actually talking seriously about some kikeflix fanfiction of a bethslop game
>>730875465>multi-year melty over nothingThe multi year melty is why they changed it
>>730877091>fans get a NV season>the showrunners spend the entire season so far shitting on NV and making lots of little retcons they're probably aware will piss off lorehounds for extra clicks>Bethesda swears they're keeping all the endings in mind and trying to make it so that any of the endings could've been canon>they do this so poorly that half the endings can't be canon>all this riding off the coattails of the shit timeline that doesn't make sense and Shady Sands getting nuked because ??? war never changes>>730882313To be fair, there's been at least one hint that the Zetans might've been involved too. It doesn't help we still don't really know much of anything outside of the US either, and we're also relying on unreliable narrators from pretty much all angles because nobody in canon seems to know.Hell, I'm pretty sure Bethesda internally doesn't know either, there's a Vault-Tec logo on Megaton's bomb.
>>730891340Because shady sands isn't vault 15 city!!!We were supposed to havr le reclamation day!?!? But the NCR did it first and we are vault tec, we're the ultrajews pulling the strings and a nation we don't control can't exist!!!
>>730884678If you consider the show non-canon.>>730891340I believe that whoever launched first should have been left unanswered.
>>730875465I didn't pay any attention to this show at all, nothing changed for me
>>730893853>show dedicates an entire season to shit on NV
>>730893853He doesn't hate it, he's just too retarded to understand it.
>>730893853So why are the kings obliterated if freeside is apparently still fine and dandy
>>730877091>he's burning down the forest in person! he must really love nature.this level of logic... holy shit, there's no doubt in my mind the retards shilling this garbage are all jeets or equally braindead.
>there are people here who unironically think the entire show was rewritten because of 4chan postsThe absolute delusion and mental illness of fallout fans
>>730876528>get called stupid for being able to correctly read a timeline>todd gets wheeled out to explain Fall of Shady Sands (2277) is separate from Undated Nuking of Shady Sands>ummm never mind the Fall was in 2291
>>730896052Some writers actually do this and fuck them.>Read every fan theory>When one gets "too close" to your planned twist then rewrite>Your shit turns into an incoherent mess
>>730896162kek, this show is a lore dumpster fire
What are some good cards to include in my Mr. House commander deck?
>>730894442Moving the goalposts.
>>730896162
>>730896162>>730897257Wait doesn't that mean maximus is like 16
>>730896810probably something that generates treasuresalso what the fuck is that value>spend four mana for an average of two basic 3/3sdo UBcucks really
>>730897257Why the fuck can't they keep their own shit straight? Like seriously. This isn't about other games anymore.
>>730897451it depends on how you wanna read the timeline.maximus looked, what? 12 in the flashback?and the ghoul said its been 20 years.so he is way more.
>>730897620because the showrunners are even bigger hack retards than Emil.let that sink in.
>>730875636thats still fucking stupid because anyone with a brain knows there is no money to be made after the apocalypse
>>730897620because that hack fraud emil is the lore master
if new vegas fags and chris avellone are seething then the show must be doing something right
>>730897606The activated ability is mid but even without the ability it's a great card for decks that roll a ton of D20s.
>>730896162How does Lucy remember Shady Sands positively if it fell before she was born?Regardless of the "fall" being a decline or the nuke going off (the flashback really makes it look like there was no decline though and Shady Sands was more well off than it ever had been before the nuke went off).
>>730897606The value in the activated ability is to trigger other cards in play that rely on dice rolls.
I liked house's meltie.>Courier please help me. The enclave is the scariest faction I've seen in my life! I think I just saw Cannibal Johnson, i better keep my ass in this pod or I'm done for!
>>730897769>there is no money to be made after the apocalypseIt wasn't about money, they want to exterminate the rest of the world for ideological reasons, which is still dumb but not as dumb as doing it for profit
>>730896810all the DnD cards that make you roll a d20>6 OR HIGHER
So scorchbeasts just exist in new vegas now? WTF?
>when lucy is about to shoot and kill the evil orange supermutant in control of the world the world freezes and lucy remembers that she entered the FALLOUT IMMERSIVE VR booth utilizing grok to generate a Fallout world for her to be the hero in. >a virus had been put in the game by chuds on NMA to ruin her immersion at the last minute and to "grow up loser" voiced and modeled after todd howard>its revealed to be an isekai ala DQ: YOUR STORY>a vault boy shows up with a heroic masculine voice and tells lucy to "get behind her" and that he's an antivirus added to the game in case something like this happens, he reminds lucy about how video games arent a waste of time, and to remember that this is all supposed to be fun (flashbacks to lucy in the real world playing fallout 3 in like, middle school on the xbox, her browsing and reading about 1 and 2 on the wiki, waiting for fallout nv to come out, her growing up and 4 releasing too)Go eat grass.
>>730875465Reminder only Fallout 1, 2 and NV are canon. All other entries, especially this show, are just high budget fanfiction.
>>730898017nuke is 2291, she is born 2278.see >>730897257but this creates problems like: her mother "died" in 2277 according to her father.the nuke was also 20 years ago... but she is 20 when she gets out of the vault.
>>730877091Don't make sense anon, NVtroons can't process logical conclusions.
reading the wiki is so funny, seeing the lore people trying to come up with explanations for the retcons on the show is golden
>>730898550Wrong. 2 and NV are fanfiction tier reddit slop. Only 1 is canon, and only certain parts of it, most of it is also fanfiction reddit slop. I'm the only person allowed to determine which parts are canon thoughbeit.
>>730896810
>>730898134House's melties if you don't play ball are his best moments
Has a game IP ever been so systematically dismantled before?It's like a hit job
>>730899540Chat is this true? WowFuck bathesda
>>730899540the kings are ghouls because the showrunners thought it would be wacky fun to make a shooting gallery out of elvis zombies. that's it.
>>730882090>>730882248>>730889708But he's right though.
>>>/tv/ is this way
I'm sure it's a good indicator of a show's quality if the second you criticize any part of it for any reason you get dogpiled as a bitter nerd looking for things to get angry at
>>730898559The nuking apearently happened around 2283 but it still doesn't line up with anything that is presented in the show. The cope that "The fall" is actually the economic collapse is retarded because even in the flash backs shady sands seems to be doing all fine. Even in NV Shady Sands isn't doing bad at all other than some people getting mad that the Mojave campaign is still going on. Pic related from the first season shows that 2277 is the end of Shady Sands.
>>730900178Why are you making shit up, literally the opposite happens. If you find ANYTHING at all good in the show then you immediately get called a jeet and accused of having never played the games.
>>730900431I'm talking about literally anywhere on the internet that isn't here
>>730875465>oh fuck, everyone hates how retarded we are>let's just pretend we were in on it and say we were actually pulling a 4d chess move with our tooootally planned story!
>>730900431Name a good thing about the show.
>>730875694TRVKE
>>730898818>reading the wiki is so funny, seeing the lore people trying to come up with explanations for the retcons on the show is goldenIts funny how in the notes they literally have to write down "We will still treat it as canon even if it makes no sense and breaks the logic of 3 pervious games".
>>730875465the show is terrible irrespective of the level of adherence to existing lore
>>730900807So like all the lore around Jet?
>>730898559> she is born 2278.>her mother "died" in 2277how does that work, lol
>>730900647Goggins is a great actor and plays his role very believably, same for a number of other actors in the show but I don't know their names. It does a good job visually representing the franchise to normies who don't know what fallout is. The plot dynamic was at least written well enough that I care to see what happens next.
Even if the show was 100% lore accurate, had interesting factions and progression that made sense etc it would still be dogshit because the tone is just wrong. Fallout is a weird juxtaposed world with a mostly serious tone. It's not supposed to be farce where every character is a sitcom retard.
>>730900807Fandoms are so cucked nowadays. Used to be that if something shit came out people would just agree it's not canon and wouldn't even need to debate it. Now faggots need to rewrite everything about the thing they like to accommodate the fanfic of kikes who despise the franchise.
>>730875636/v/is retarded and haven't watched a single episode of this trash. They wiuld rather seethe over imaginary strawman than admit they were wrong.
>>730893853This one scene really encapsulates the entire show.
>>730898550new vegas canonizes fallout 3 thoughie
>>730900317Yes I know it was intended to be 2277, but they retcconned it to 2291
Amazon's Fallout idiotic portrayal of Vault-Tec and other companies as a punching bags of capitalism is le bad social commentary was never present in Fallout. Yes, there's parody of capitalism but just as much as Chinese jingoism and anti communism banter. Anyone who played non-Bethesda games understood the message was how "you won't do shit" bravado can lead to nuclear holocaust. The smartest people are willing to kill everyone because of their very human ego, it's kinda amazing we're all alive post 1960s Cuban missile crisis.The non-Bethesda games purposely left the answer to "who fired nukes first" ambiguous because it wasn't important to the Fallout 1/2/NV experience. The world you inherited was your problem to fix now.Robert House inclusion in an evil mega capitalist glow in the dark meeting made no sense since his pre-established characterization was neurotic math nerd/casino owner playing so many war-games scenarios to predict China and USA would nuke each other; marking his obsession to save himself and Nevada. Him even participating in that meeting is character assassination. Eliminate the world, its resources, your employees, your money flow was the kingpin moment of Fallout Amazon season finale. Nonsensical Reddit writing even by "everyone in the show is a caricature of capitalism". It treats the subject matter as a joke. The writing is really poor, Bethesda can't do Fallout world building and I hate this is canon.
>>730900904VGH... my grimdark poop town....
>>730901264>marking his obsession to save himself and NevadaThat's how the show is portraying him you fucking moron
>>730900902>I care to see what happens next.whyit's the most dull and predictable shitrich white man is bad and dies horribly, brown people are good no matter what, any supposed threat can be killed in a single shot by a main character... there's nothing interesting about it.
>>730900871Yes but its worse than the lore of Jet. At lest Jet you can just handwave it as the formula for jet isn't hard to create which is sort of believe because its just made from fermented cow shit and some other chems but that is nothing compared to the show getting rid of the boneyard, getting rid of the followers of the apocalypse, moving Shady Sands into the heart of LA. The Hub, Junk town, Day glow and other founding NCR cities are all gone. The Master some how missed not 1, not 2 but 3 vaults that were right in his backyard. The west Coast Brotherhood are now all retarded. The lore breaks in season 1 alone is insane and the fact that people try to defend it goes to show that gate keeping is mandatory to keep a series/hobby alive and healthly.>>730901187 Yes I know it was intended to be 2277, but they retcconned it to 2291I don't know why you keep saying its 2291 when they stated now the nuking of Shady Sands happened in 2283.
>>730901435By going around and forcing mind control chips and beating the shit out of random people?
>>730901264>posts the biggest slop that constantly retcons itself to pander to waifufags with zero narrative structure whatsoever I agree Amazon FO is slop but you posted even bigger slop.
The show makes the Bethesda Fallout games look way better by comparison. It's just so fucking god awful if kinda blows my mind. I have no idea what the goycattle see in it.
>>730901470>they stated now the nuking of Shady Sands happened in 2283Todd said that. Not the show writers.Just look at the new chalkboard please.>>730896162It's 2291.
Im having trouble finding a single reason to aknowledge anything Bethesda produces as something worth discussing but /v/ really is drawn to shit like flies.
>>730899540whoever wrote this didn't watch the show. the last episode takes place entirely within a bustling freeside. Atomic Wrangler and all.
>>730901440>rich white man is bad and dies horribly, brown people are good no matter what, any supposed threat can be killed in a single shot by a main character???You are completely making shit up, none of this is accurate. You didn't watch it and your entire assessment is based on assumptions
>>730896162>>730897257>2276 over 20 years ago shady sand "fell">2277 mother die >2278 lucy is born >2281 new vegas happen>2283 supposedly when shady sands was nuked>2291 shady sands "fall">2296 show happenI am so confused
>>730901605That image is a fake. I don't know why you keep posting the fake chalkboard images. First it was 2282, then 2283, 2287 and now 2291.
>>730901570>The show makes the Bethesda Fallout games look way better by comparisonIts the same shit in a different format, pure certified slop for the Bethesda fans and the average retard whos stupid enough to pay of a streaming service.
>>730901669it was written before the latest episode came out, but anyway the entrance to the strip kinda implied that there was no freesidebecause there was no entrance like that in the game
>The most stupid, nonlogical, immersion-breaking thing happens on screen>Urm you see chuddy it's actually fine because thats an ingame mechanic. Have you played the game?Cant wait for Lucy to go through a wall in TCL mode.
>>730901750Fallout 3 and 4 have relatively serious stories with stakes. The show is like a nonstop variety clown show where nothing matters.
no seriously why are the kings all ghouls if freeside is fine
>>730901970https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8iEpkcDJc
I will never watch this kusogewhat happened to marcus and the super mutants?what happened to the khans?
>>730902149>what happened to marcus and the super mutants?unga bunga orcs kill loot return>what happened to the khans?raiders to kill while listening to big iron
>>730902149>what happened to marcus and the super mutants?Not mentioned or seen
>>730901745>fakehttps://fallout-s2.amazonstudios.com/Picrel>>730901695or the show happens in 2311.it's all fucked up
>>730901398You can't use Fallout 2 as a gotcha because 2 is actually funny while the show is just retarded
>>730902568No, 2 is retarded.
>>730902704Whatever you say bucko.
>>730893853>amazon executive asks you to make a show out of this video game series or whatever>make some bullshit because it's some gay nerd shit who cares>all these internet gamers yell at you for ruining their lore>it seems they like new vegas>turn season 2 into destroying everything that was in new vegasvery straightforward
>>730902749No he's right 2 sucks. Avellone also agrees.
>>730875694Getting rid of your cable box is antisemitic.
>>730901187>Yes I know it was intended to be 2277, but they retcconned it to 2291You got it backwards. It was orginally supposed to happen in 2291 but they changed it to 2277 for some reason the pic related >>730902340Is from a older set. I know its retarded but seeing how the show is playing out you can't be surprised.
when did the nuke blow up shady sands after all?
>>730901745>image is fakebro it's literally a scene on season 1 when they go to the sex cult vault
>>730902910Honestly if all of those are from an older set, it makes it all vastly more confusing.If picrel is new, it's still really retarded.If it's old, it's still fucking retarded.>>730903187He is referring to the new chalkboard from the interactive s2 website. The old one says 2277.
>>7309030132277 but after the back lash they changed it to 2283. Pic related >>730902340 is from the older set and early into the production but for some reason they changed it to 2277.
Are we just going to gloss over the fact that Todd gave the character that's supposed to be coolest and most badass in the show his last name? He's such a small man.
>>730900317>The cope that "The fall" is actually the economic collapse is retarded because even in the flash backs shady sands seems to be doing all fine>What do you mean the peasants are about to tear us apart because the nation is suffering and they view their capital as corrupt? I look out onto the rest of the ivory tower and people are doing just fine. If the droughts and loss of lands to barons means they can't afford bread, then let them eat cake!
>>730875465>all those retards that said New Vegas would be destroyedoh no no no no /v/eddit sisters, will we ever like something?
>ullyses entire character is how the courier unknowingly delivered a nuke and completely changed the entire landscape because of it>they do the exact same thing on the show for shady sandslel
>>730903439
>>730903425>character named Cooper>its not Kyle MacLachlan's characterI liked the coffee nod though, I fully expected him to say "damn fine cup of coffee"
>>730903439>shady sands? That was over 20 years ago- oil drilling zombie 2296
>>730903707That was shit writing.>courier i need you to press this switch on this console or else you won't be able to proceed with the questline we laid out for you>woops.... that was a nuke.... (i knew about it)>actually... this is your fault :)>i will now proceed to give you 4 hours of exposition dialogue about why you are at fault for something i forced you to do in order to play the DLC you paid for
Alright, let's say all those photos on the site are non canon. Fair enough.So the show is still 2296.What the fuck is up with picrel?HOW did Hank NUKE it 20 years ago? Lucy looked about 6 to 8 in the flashback sceneWTF IS UP WITH MAXIMUS? HOW OLD IS HE?? 28??
>>730903946anon the ulysses thing happen before the game, this is why he forfeit delivering the chip and give it to courier 6
>>730903439I don't get what your point is? In the flash backs the average citizen is doing fine in Shady Sands and their is no sign of civil unrest, famine or anything to show that he city is "falling". If the droughts or land grabs from barons were true then you would see far more signs of a "fall". Instead the show doesn't depict anything like that.
>>730904041>What the fuck is up with picrel?He's talking about the Fall of Shady Sands, not the Nuking of Shady Sands
>>730882698/v/ had a melty when the show plainly stated who dropped the bombs whereas in the vidya it was never quite obvious. Then it just so happens that what was said wasn't necessarily true and might have just been some characters yapping so now /v/ is saying the writers are making it up as they go because that's the only way they can still retain some semblance of smugness regarding their supremely high iq
>>730904113What? Shady Sands was 20 years ago?Tell me about it.
>>730903439>shady sands is doing so badly that it's described as having fallen, a term typically reserved for a city being sacked or an empire collapsing>portrayed as happy and prosperous, everyone is smiling with a vibrant market and functioning public transportation>shady sands gets nuked because it's a developed civilization and only vault-tec is allowed to do that>is actually collapsing on its own anywayi dunno guys this doesn't seem like good storytelling
>>730904142No, it's still a shitty bait and switch. There was no benefit to the story following the narrative that Vault tec was going to drop the bombs. It served nothing to the plot that could have been done in other BETTER ways.
>>730904041>>730904113>shady sands economic collapse happened ~2276>new vegas happens on 2281>NCR was still fine and dandy 5+ years after a supposedly economic collapse
>master saw this and said>no there is no vault there
>>730904293Okay anon, how would you solve the dissolving of Coop's relationship with his wife in another BETTER way?
>>730904113>He's talking about the Fall of Shady Sands, not the Nuking of Shady SandsWhat fall? You fags keep saying this like it means something when the show doesn't even do a good job explaining what the "fall" was? The city was in good shape so much so that Lucy was able to visit it as a kid. Hell even in NV Shady Sands is doing ok considering that the NCR is fighting a prologued fruitless war.
>>730875465Has the courier shown up yet?
>>730904279>shady sands is doing so badlyI don't think you know what the term "Ivory Tower" is, nor that Shady Sands doesn't have all the destitute farmlands of the NCR in it, but I imagine that's hard to grasp for an ESL like you>>730904314>NCR was still fine and dandy 5+ years after a supposedly economic collapseOh hey, you should actually play New Vegas sometime. Talk to the NPCs and such during it too. The NCR was absolutely nowhere near "fine and dandy" at the time
>>730904434This is also in LA.
>>730904546do you know what an economic collapse entails? do you know what over 20 years ago mean?
>>730904546the burden of proof is on you
>>730903707kek, they really copy pasted the divide
>>730904546>Fall of Shady Sands>Shady Sands not directly affected
why do ghouls need yellow juice, possibly radaway, to survive now?
>battle at helios one is in 2076>even at their "FALL" the NCR still btfo the BoSyou can't make this shit up
>>730904736it's not radaway, it's "THE FIX"that's the "canon" fallout 76 name
>>730904605>do you know what an economic collapse entailsYes, because I played New Vegas and saw the near-complete devaluing of NCR currency and young farm boys being pressed into service because otherwise there's no way to feed anyone else back home, with the Mojave Campaign being their best shot to turn the country back around
intern doing double time
>>730904736It isn't to survive it's to keep them from losing their last bit of humanity and turning fully into what is essentially an animal. Why? Because it makes for interesting dynamics for some of the characters
>>730904810>>730904879so how did the fridge kid in fo4 managed for 100 years?
>>730901669ah yes a bustling freeside right next to a deathclaw nestbrilliant writing
Alright Emil, let's circle back to >>730904041What did she even mean with>When Shady Sands fell, we had a battalion out east.Just admit the writers are fucking retarded.
>>730904942Engine limitations, please understand.
>>730904930Why are you asking us dude. Ask Todd
>>730904942>ah yes a bustling freeside right next to a deathclaw nest>brilliant writingHey, it was good enough for the Boneyard, you newfag secondary
>>730904930it's just another ghoul retcon.>LOL LETS PUT A GHOUL IN A FRIDGE AND HAVE HIM STILL BE A KIDthere was no real thought put behind it
>>730904930it is so fucking funny how they completely asspulled a shitty explanation of ghouls not needing food or whatever because of this and now they need some magic juice otherwise they go feral
>>730904930>so how did the fridge kid in fo4 managed for 100 yearsHe's a synth
>>730905085but then the kid ghoul in the factory asks for water
>>730904971Exactly what it sounds like. When the Shady Sands Stock Exchange fell 11 points precipitating slower economic growth in consumer goods and heavy industry manufacturing over the next 5-10 years, they had a battalion out east
>>730905150Just because you don't need it doesn't mean you don't suffer the feeling of needing it.
>>730904546You should play NV. The majority of NPCs never state that Shady Sands or any other city/province is doing shit during the events of NV. The Hub isn't mentioned to be struggling, the Bone yard seems to be fine considering that in one ending of Arcade, he moves their to be a doctor. The only source that Shady Sands or the NCR is having any issues is from the Doomer Hanlon who thinks that its already over and isn't a good source of whats happening over in the west. The other negative source is a member of the OSI or whatever they are called says that if things keep up then by 2287-2290 the NCR will have water shortages.
>>730904930
why do they keep talking about shady sands when the NCR is much bigger than that? its like if I was going "man everything was great until Washington fell"
>>730905034I wouldn't describe the Bone Yard as "bustling" in Fallout 1. Majority of people during 1 live in high barbwire fences and are armed to the teeth.
>>730905306kek, this. The show treats shady sands as the entirety of the NCR
>>730905281>The Hub isn't mentioned to be strugglingStopped reading there. It's explicitly stated to be the opposite: the Hub is economically sabotaging the rest of the NCR by reintroducing Caps in an act of what's effectively financial civil war, further destroying faith in the paper now-fiat currency everyone else is trying to survive on. You should actually play New Vegas sometime
>>730905085>>730904736>>730904879The ghoul medicine retroactively breaks the logic of EVERY fucking non-feral ghoul character in the franchise and it's insane to me that a non-zero amount of fans just accepted into the lore.
>>730905232These characters never ever address the year of the nuke... for some reason.Weird.
>>730905518IIRC it's actually never stated anywhere in NV why caps were reintroduced
>>730905580necropolis didn't need water after all, they needed the fix
>>730905292
>>730905625Out of respect for the victims of that tragedy, we have chosen to not remember when it happened
>>730905580>Insulin existing retroactively breaks the logic of EVERY fucking non-diabetic person in the history of humanity
>>730905580>it's insane to me that a non-zero amount of fans just accepted into the lorethere are people who will argue with you that Fallout 76 is canon, so it's not a surprise.
>>730904113Same thing nigger, stop coping. They literally say they lost contact with them at the same time.
>>730875694SPBP
>>730905652from a nongame point, engine limitations as stated by sawyer. They wanted a bunch of different currencies but the engine couldn't do it reliably so they opted for going with caps as the base
>>730905745what?
>>730905812intern doesn't even know how to defend it anymore
Not video games
>>730905652Traders switched to them on their own due to the hyper inflation that came with the NCR switching to FRB when the Brotherhood blew up their gold reserves. It was not sabotage.
>>730905812Not everyone needs the medicine obviously, you retard. Not every ghoul is at risk of going feral, just like some people having type 1 diabetes doesn't mean everyone needs to take insulin.
>>730905518No it isn't, I know you are a secondary now because that comes from an elaboration made by Sawyer outside of the game.
>>730905917Sawyer only confirmed this later. It's not in game. It's like how the Fallout Bible is only dubiously canon
>>730905917that's never stated, though.It was confirmed in-game that the BoS fucked NCR's gold reserves and forced them into adopting fiat paper money, BUT never said why caps are used in the Mojave from an in-universe perspective.
>>730905984>No it isn't, I know you are a secondary now becauseESL detected, shan't be replying
>>730905928>Not every ghoul is at risk of going feral...? anon? no ghoul can escape turning feral
>>730875465They apologize for randomly turning Sinclair into Morshu? No? Then fuck off.
>>730905652It's a Fallout game after the franchise was acquired by Bethesda, it should be obvious without in-game loredumps that the Caps™ are there because it's part of the brand.
>>730906091oh you are mad that you got exposed
>>730877091The irony is that they blame him for wrecking the strip but the only sin Todd committed was having Death Claws do it instead of the Tunnelers that were going to originally
>>730877091Why would he hate NV? He got a tidy profit and didn't even have to pay Obsidian their bonus because they didn't bugfix and got panned on release to an 89 on metacritic #relatable.
it was originally planned for poker chips to be the local currency in FNV
>>730906112No one can escape dying, but that doesn't mean you're at risk of dying today--but you should kill yourself to make it so
>>730875465
>>730901692>none of this is accuratethe entire "twist" of the first fucking season is that the brown communist woman is the good guy and the white dad who was just trying to protect his daughter was "secretly" an evil bad man you disingenuous faggot.
>>730906230anon, ghouls already are on their way to be "diabetic" as you said.it's just a question of when, not if.
>>730898263>NMA>ChudsYou can't be a chud AND a NV fan.
>>730906302>it's just a question of when, not if.That is regurgitating what I just typed back to me. You are a waste of time. We're done here.
>>730906112To be fair, THE Ghoul (Coop) is a lot older than the kid in the fridge so it could be argued that it affects the elderly faster than it does children. That being said 200 years is a very long time so I still don't think that explanation is good enough
>2277 Fall is excused as being the start of some unknown decline>if a historical "fall" happens over a period of time, it means that it eventually results in it having fallen, eg. the Fall of the Roman Empire was the process of there no longer being a (Western) Roman Empire>whatever was causing Shady Sands to decline explicitly did not cause it to fall, because something separate (a nuke) caused it to fallthe historians of the 23rd century are terrible at their job
>>730904293>>730904475still waiting btw
>>730906383>you are a waste of timeWhy does no one else in any game (except 76) need this magical goo.It's a new addition to add tension. That's it.>>730906495The kid in the fridge is maybe 20 years younger?
>>730897769It's not about money.Here's the plan, since you're a retard:>Kill everyone on the planet.>Planet is repopulated from the vaults, which have sociological conditioning shit built in>Freeze themselves until the world is livable again.>Unfreeze themselves, but this time, they can rule the world unopposed.>If it all goes flawlessly, society will have been sufficiently rebuilt by the vault dwellers>Plan is, go to sleep, wake up, and there's a new civilization waiting to put you at the very topThey're basically trying to fast forward to a future where they win by default and can rebuilt in their own image. That's power beyond something as basic as money.
>>730906585And nobody wants to write down the date of the nuke.Strange.
>writing yourself out of a hole by writing an even bigger holeI share the internet with cock gargling third world faggots and it's pissing me off.
>>730906762This plan had what?10% chance of working out?They gambled everything on>somehow everyone will worship the ground we walk on after we wake up
>>730906872what's the hole genius
>>730906762>The Master's plan goes perfectly and super mutants can breed>Vault Tec wakes up>they walk out and find a civilization ran by smart super mutants>then they get torn to shredsThere are so many variables here that it shouldn't even be considered a real plan. What if the vault dwellers go, I don't know, rogue and start killing each other over resources.Why does the fallout 76 vault open so early?Also I get that it's meant to be the Enclave's plan in reality, but shouldn't they have prepared a bit harder?
>>730906762It's easy, all you need to do is hope that once you have destroyed the environment and demolished all existing infrastructure in a world where most accessible resources have already been depleted, a viable society has developed and also that the propaganda has stuck for multiple generations in contact with the world outside their vaults and resulted in a worldview exactly as you have intended with no drift or disagreement, so that you can rule over an infinitely smaller and weaker regional society than anything that existed pre-war.
I think the show is fun
>>730904930>>730905080>>730905085Did you retards forget that fallout 2 introduced ghouls (coffin willie & the mummy) not needing food or water to survive?
>>730905580>The ghoul medicine retroactively breaks the logic of EVERY fucking non-feral ghoul character in the franchiseWhy?
>>730907808Necropolis
>>730906886>This plan had what?>10% chance of working out?100% as far as they knew.
>>730907921Again, retconned by fallout 2 like how they retconned vault tec
>>730907993Then they really should have made LESS vaults to control all of them precisely.
>>730908221Or had subjected them all to social conditioning instead of the majority being random experiments
>>730907442>The Master's plan goes perfectly and super mutants can breedBro they are dead. "Kill everyone on the planet", memba? >vault dwellers go, I don't know, rogue and start killing each other over resourcesThey wont because they have GECKs>Why does the fallout 76 vault open so earlyThats the game made by Todd Howard 20 years after the Fallout 2 bruh
I'm sure the 5 literate enclave fags enjoy the show pretending like the Enclave actually are a secretive elite cabal instead of being Scooby doo villains that get defeated by a bunch of meddling kids and their stupid dog
>>730908651>Bro they are dead. "Kill everyone on the planet", memba?It's a hypothetical.>They wont because they have GECKsDidn't matter, because they still started killing each other.>Thats the game made by Todd Howard 20 years after the Fallout 2 bruhRelevant to the show.
>>730908780I am pretty certain all the enclave fags hate the show.The Enclave mod for HOI4 makes fun of the entirety of season 1.
>>730875636>i told youno one cares about you or your shitty opinion, narcissistic faggot
it's just not good
Next season should go to DC
>Somehow, the Enclave returned>Somehow, the BoS returnedBRAVO TODD
>>730908780>instead of being Scooby doo villains that get defeated by a bunch of meddling kids and their stupid dogI always hated this about the Enclave. It's probably one of the most humiliating factions to be a fan of.
>>730875737>tumblr meme
I wish I was on the timeline bethesda never bought fallout
>>730875465Are the enclave interesting
It's funny how many people desperate to shit on the show are still confused by the Fall of Shady Sands>uhhhhhh but if it's not the nuke (which they've established it isn't) then the answer is a mysteryWhoaoaoaaooaaoa damn? They didn't unveil every single detail immediately? This multi-season show sets up stuff that will be explored later? Damn, this is unprecedented.
>>730911972>bro you can work on a fallout online, no problem>oi vey why you using fallout IP>shut it downit is amazing bethesda did the same shit twice, one with interplay and the other with obsidian
>>730906292>i'm choosing to interpret things my own way, this means you are disingenuousYou are hyperfixating on skin color because you are a mindbroken /pol/ tourist. The skin color of these characters has nothing to do with why they are "bad" or "good"
>>730899540It's way too dilapidated. Because Todd and Amazon think fallout needs to be stuck in pissant mad max mode even though that was already on the way out in the first game. Because they are retarded normalfag trash.
>>730912250>think fallout needs to be stuck in pissant mad max mode even though that was already on the way out in the first gameThis line of thinking will always be ironic, considering how hard Avellone was fighting to try to say that the West Coast was already having cities get wiped out, how the New Vegas team wrote the West Coast as being on the verge of collpase anyways, and Avellone specifically kept shoving in different shit in the DLC he was in charge of to say "please wipe out the West Coast in its entirety please please please please please oh you're not gonna do it? uhhhh then fine they get wiped out by lizard men or some other shit anyways fuck you"
>>730912385It's ironic that just because Avellone is also a fuckwit and wanted to regress the setting doesn't make his wants or wishes have more merit than the toilet paper with my semen stained on it that has sat on my desk for the last 8 hours. it's just todd and amazon are actually retarded enough to follow through on it.
Didn't the tunnelers exist purely so that a New Vegas direct sequel would be so fucked up that the map would be completely different from the damage the tunnelers did and would basically be a sequel in name only?
>I am lunatic? Really?>scoffs >im crazy ? >I researched my role with actual fallout lore fags to get my role right yet if you took the time to find out that you wouldn’t be so blind by your ignorance >look at your small insignificant life up until now >posting and larping hating every game in existence >no I THINK YOU LIKE THE SHOW ANON>YES I DO I THINK YOU LIKE FALLOUT>I THINK YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE LORE OR THE GAMES>I THINK YOU ARE A FALLOUT ENJOYER>TELL ME MR ANON WHAT >elevator shuts
We gonna see super mutants or nah
>destroying the west coast so you can put something new thereGood>destroying the west coast so you can put nothing thereBad
>>730912514>Tim Cain is down with it>Avellone is down with it>Todd is down with it>everyone that's ever shepherded the Fallout series is down with it>the vast majority of fans of the Fallout series are down with it (hence the TV show's massive success)>but random anon fuckwit anon #730912514 isn't down with it, so all of that is equal to semen stained toilet papermmmmmmm I'm gonna have to disagree with that one, chief
>>730912385How is it ironic? Avellone is less responsible for for the "good" parts of Fallout than Cain, Sawyer, Gonzales, etc that actually want to see the series progress.
Is the game's Robert House as interesting as the show's Robert House? I really like what I'm seeing of him so far and I'm thinking of trying the game
>>730912768>than Cain>wants to see the series progressOh man, who's gonna be the one to tell him
>>730912714I can't even be bothered to fish out a half assed not even bait image for your half assed meritless shitpost.
>>730912798Ingame he's just a talking head that wants you to do chores for him so he can reign supreme. Shit's overrated, I just decided to kill him because Caesar told me to.
>>730912539The trailer has a guy that is clearly a super mutant talking so there is going to be one. It's probably going to be the Indian dude that was friends with Cooper and that's why they focused on his rings when they were talking in the flashback
>>730912714>the vast majority of fans of the Fallout series are down with it (hence the TV show's massive success)No one is too worried about the opinons of same audience of things who cry and cum and shid themselves every time robert downey jr has to pretend he gives a fuck about iron man when he and his wife need more money.
>>730912056>>uhhhhhh but if it's not the nuke (which they've established it isn't)Did you miss the flashback? Shady Sands was literally the most developed post war surface settlement we've seen right before it got nuked.
>>730913127>most developed and the show showed it incredibly nerfed like how it should be been 100+ years ago. Not current day shady sands. It was supposed to be way more advanced by this point in the timeline
>>730913127>Did you miss history? Rome was one of the most developed empires in the world before it collapsed
>>730913187According to a hypothetical in your head? My statement stands. We've never seen a post war settlement thriving that much without there being some mad scientist running things.
>>730913207Rome had a societal collapse...
>>730913247No, according to the games. You certainly are desperate to die alone on the hill with the fanfiction that the vast majority of people are suffering in the piss and shit.
There has been a concerted online effort to gaslight me on what the word "fall" means and how a timeline works, all to justify this stupid ass show
>>730913310Calm down and try to form an actual argument.
>>730913318It's literally one amazon shill that gets absolutely bottomed by every otaku wizard on this site every time it tries to defend the show.
>>730913187>and the show showed it incredibly nerfed like how it should be been 100+ years ago. Not current day shady sands.What are you actually talking about?
>>730913357They're everywhere. On reddit, on twxtter, on niche forums, this is the only space safe from it
>>730913318Yeah, I agree: it's crazy. These show haters would absolutely lose their fucking minds if they opened up a history book for once in their lives and saw what the word "Fall" is used for, and how many years such things usually take place over beyond their recorded beginning. It's no surprise that specifically a classroom filtered them, lol.
>>730913436They showed shady sands as a like a turn of the oth century dusty frontier town. That's not shady sands.
>>730913474go away
>>730913318I don't get why they are doubling down on the gradual fall argument when.>1. Maximus' flashbacks presents it as sudden, not gradual.>2. They keep dropping consistent hints it stopped existing by 1977 even if it WAS gradual.
>>730913550Don't forget the trade routes and infrastructure and travel lanes between the other major cities with millions and millions of people spread across california. It's really sad that todd thinks in his isolated mind this is acceptable.
>>730913474see>>730906585>if a historical "fall" happens over a period of time, it means that it eventually results in it having fallen, eg. the Fall of the Roman Empire was the process of there no longer being a (Western) Roman EmpireIt literally blew up immediately cause Lucy's dad is a cuck.
>>730913503It literally had sky scrapers.
I can't wait for them to reach arroyo at the end of the season and show it like this.
>>730875694Spbp
>>730913778Corrugated metal is really common in this timeline okay.
>>730912917>Indian dude that was friends with CooperThat guy wasn't indian. Take a break from /pol/
>>730913474Why do they still have you on this dated script when the Ghoul literally speaks as if Shady Sands hasn't existed in over 20 years?
>>730897620Why bother? They don't get paid more if they're right and they can just wave it off as 'incels' and 'chuds' getting angry over nothing
>>730914229>a single mini nuke destroyed all that
>>730913550>Maximus' flashbacks presents it as sudden, not gradual.Because in S2, we see what Shady Sands had already basically regressed to how it was 40 years ago, so it's clear that the town has fallen from its glory as the capital, which lines up with how the NCR NPCs in New Vegas hammer it in that the NCR is going to shit and most of it can be attributed to the government's corruption. Like just look at this shit >>730914229 Absolute bumfuck nowhere town. Would not be surprised if they revealed that the capital was moved to the Hub or something.
>>730914229Ah yes shady sands, formerly known as what is really the boneyard, sometimes referred to old los angeles but most currently referred to as shady sands
>>730912714>Avellone is down with it
>>730914229>just a pseudo-50s townthis is so fucking boring, I'm surprised they even bothered with the troopers instead of just dressing them up like WW2 GIswe wouldn't want to contrast the new post-war world with the pre-war world or the vision of our pre-war antagonists, would we
>>730912714Tim Cain was literally banned from the Fallout subreddit for saying that it was never about "Capitalism bad", but instead "Human nature inevitably leads to war". You're a retarded queer.
>>730914687Avellone is down with resetting the West Coast, you bellend. He's down with that, not just the TV show (and realistically he probably actually is down with the TV show, he's just had to pivot to being a grifter ever since he's been wrongly soft-blacklisted)>>730914824I think you've replied to the wrong post, because that has nothing to do with what that post says or was replying to.
>>730914824How did Cain respond to the banning?
>>730904475By having the revelation that the vaults exist to basically run experiments on people for a space program. Why the fuck do they have to nuke the world for the former to have weight?
>>730912798New Vegas version of Robert House is actually pretty boring, show is doing a better job of making him a compelling character
>>730914861Frankly, you COULD have reset the west coast in several ways that made sense. New Vegas lays a lot of groundwork for the NCR's issues (I maintain that the Tunnelers are stupid/not interesting). The show just handles everything in the most retarded way, every time.
>>730914754You faggots really do bitch about everything for nothing
>>730915098And you faggots really do bitch about any criticism
>>730905745You cookin twin fr fr
>>730912538>Wears his Thinking Cap while ranting
Imagine such a scene: >Lucy gets into a Wild West-style revolver shootout>Emerges victorious from it with an empty cylinder.>Starts reloading>Gets distracted by something in pip-boy>Checks it>Flies 5 kilometers aheadWill NV fans clap like seals for this?
>>730915535isn't he wearing that when you see his real body in NV?
>>730875694This
>>730905996>>730906062So again nothing about sabotage you lying nigger.
>>730914229>no bro it’s an economic collapse>its pure chaos no one can get food and there are riots in the streets>the fall was not the nuke>meanwhile in the show>hey bill just here to pick up some groceries >oh sure thing tom
>>730915163No that really was just opinionated nitpicking
>>730875465the retcon was so blatant I actually laughed.
>>730914229>Just saw a black guy in the park. Shady Sands has fallen
>>730917786>wanting a city to have its appearance represented is nitpickingshoo shill shoo
>>730897737>>730897620>I played games pretty often and Fallout 3 is a game that I had played for hours and hours and hours and was very taken with the tone of it and the world. So when we sat down, it was sort of this love connection of I've always wanted to meet you and vice versa. My favorite collaborators to adapt from are dead people because they don't argue. Todd is very much alive, but he had that great confidence of someone who has created a world and allowed, in some cases like New Vegas, other people to sort of create within that world.>So he had both the confidence and the experience of knowing that if you build a good enough world, people can create within it and connect to the stories that you've told. And so we knew from the beginning that we wanted to tell an original story within the Fallout universe. And because of the way the games work, where each game is a different city and a different set of characters with a different set of deeper questions it wants to ask and different ways of playing with time and all the delicious speculative fiction, the bits and pieces that go into each of these stories that, if we did it right, we'd fit right in. And I think that's where we've landed. It feels like another entry in this series and hopefully the best way."Todd..had that great confidence of someone who has created a world and allowed, in some cases like New Vegas, other people to sort of create within that world."Amazing.
>>730914229>Shady Sands was important because it was 100% post war>Plop it down literally in the middle of a giant plot of bombed out ruinsYou cannot be serious with this shit, holy fuck.
>>730914861>Avellone is down with resetting the West CoastDownsizing the west coast, not tearing it totally apart and taking every faction out behind the shed one by one.
>>730918028>nooooo everything should stay the same foreverQuit whining pussy
>>730918290this is a boring response and I really think you can do better, can you try again
>>730914229>>730914754>>730918092it was just way easier (cheaper) to dress up one of the WB backlots (the one called 'Midwest Street') for a few hours than to actually depict southwestern adobe living https://imgur.com/a/fallout-s2e2-filming-location-spoilers-T4kF5CZyou may also recognize it as the town in gilmore girls lmao
>Now please consult the chalkboard
>>730907865Why not?
The plan was all the Illuminati mega corps can trick the USA and China to nuke each other. By extension their allies in the cross fire. So with landmass that's uninhabitable, contamination of water, Earth's atmosphere ???, and a ton of other variables. If anyone survives they'll wanna know why it happened, with billions of lives there's a non-zero chance someone wasn't gonna kill Vault-Tec. But let's say no one finds out, that leaves other nations as an X factor. Any group/person/nation can go scavenging and find vaults. It's not like they were secret, lol. The premise that no one was gonna harm the kingmakers of the nuclear holocaust is silly. That's why that scene is retarded, why the premise of the show/game background falls apart. Why would they even write an answer when that's not the point of Fallout, there was enough vague hints and plausibility for why China and USA nuked each other.A question no one was obsessed with an answer. And the answer was the most contrived anti-capitalist take, complete with that forced line delivery of war never changes. The reason Fallout's universe exists was man's folly in waging war even when the outcome was insane, enough people were willing to gamble on "the other side won't do shit". Tale as old as time. We could liberate North Korea on the premise that they won't do shit, but that's gambling with Japan and South Korea and West coast USA lives so thankfully no one is itching to gamble.
>>730913187>and the show showed it incredibly nerfed like how it should be been 100+ years ago.It was like 10 concrete utility buildings last time we saw it. It looks like a modern civilization in the flashback.
>>730911681dril is an internet legend irrespective of platform. kys fag
>>730900876She was born on new years.
>>730904041>Maximus is stated to be 19 in the script, placing his date of birth in 2277. The script also identifies that the fridge scene, which is set shortly after Shady Sands was nuked, took place when he was six. This gives the year of Shady Sands' destruction as 2283.Is Rodriguez saying the NCR battalion is out east in Legion territory?
>>730914473>we see what Shady Sands had already basically regressed to how it was 40 years ago, so it's clear that the town has fallen from its glory as the capitalBustling capital where people aren’t struggling and can buy food and shit with no problem. Stop coping, it’s not an economic collapse, the nuke literally goes off when everything is fine. >which lines up with how the NCR NPCs in New Vegas hammer it in that the NCR is going to shit and most of it can be attributed to the government's corruptionYou mean people being able to buy food and there being no mention of how Brahmin baron are hoarding land and resources and no indication that that is happening? >Like just look at this shit Absolute bumfuck nowhere townNo it’s not, it’s in the middle of fucking LA and larger than it was shown to be in Fallout 2.
