Why does this happen?
shovel knight sucks
>>730882196bomberman sucks
>>730882320this, Sakurai had the foresight to know it was a flash in the pan. they're going under with Mina and won't be making the 3D Shovel game, so he would've aged poorly
Smash has been Nintendo's shill and pandering game since Melee.
>>730882385fuck you
Most of this image is flawed to begin with. It's a lot easier for first party characters to be playable with full movesets because Nintendo doesn't have to go through legal hoops like they would with third party characters.
>>730882196i don't know any of those characters on the right, but i know the ones on the left. get a job unc.
>>730882196I still think Piranha plant is cool. Get fucked, purple plumber sports game roster filler fans. Maybe pick a character you like just because they're the last character in overalls.
>>730882320He's fun in Rivals
>>730882481why are they shilling daisy and piranha pĺant then, do they hate money
>>730882608imagine needing to lie in order to have your shitty "gotcha" moment
All of the characters on the right deserve Assist Trophy status, except for Shadow who really should have been an echo fighter.Not a single soul pushing for playable Waluigi is genuine. He is a meme character from top to bottom, and the clamoring for him has always been exclusively for meme value and zero other reason.
>>730883145>except for ShadowZero, Knuckles, and Alucard too
>>730882196>easy, highly requested reskin>marketing ploy joke character and the #1 recurring enemy in Mario>obligatory shill Pokemon>easy reskin>easy, highly requested reskin who was almost included in Smash 4Not pictured:>Inkling, representing a previously unrepresented flagship Nintendo IP>K. Rool, one of the most requested characters of all time and the #1 recurring villain in Donkey Kong>Dark Samus, an easy reskin>Ridley, one of the most requested characters of all time and the #1 recurring villain in Metroid>Simon and Richter, representing a third party IP with a long history of Nintendo games>Ken, an easy reskinvs.>irrelevant character from a dead franchise>irrelevant, one-off villain from a game released in 2005>implying Castlevania deserves two representatives>irrelevant character from a dead franchise>implying Sonic deserves two representatives>implying Sonic deserves two representatives, but Shadow should have been an echo fighter>irrelevant character whom Yacht Club prostituted to anyone and everyone>irrelevant, one-off villain from a game released in 2000>Waluigi unironically deserved to be the joke character over Piranha Plant>implying Mega Man deserves two representatives when Monster Hunter represents Nintendo and Capcom's relationship betterWhat's the point of this meme image that leaves out half of Ultimate's newcomers?
>>730882196>known Nintendo characters get in over 3rd parties and literally whosGood
>>730883612Brown hands typed this post
>>730883145>>730883612Shadow as an echo would be redundant. Sonic's moveset is already boring.
>>730882196Smash could have 200 fighters, but people will still find missing characters to complain about
>>730882196>2026>Slotfags still exist
>>730882196Because Sakarai is yet another Japanese cunt with a fetish for subverting expectations.
>>730883145i don't get people hating on waluigi to this degree but being ok with daisy.
Swap InSHITeroar with CHADow and just like that, Ultimate becomes a 10/10 video game.
>>730882196>tfw 3 of the characters on the left are my mains
>>730882196>using the super low effort echo fighters instead of more of the actual full fledged newcomers like k. rool and ridley to prove your point
Incineroar's moveset is more creative than anything the right could have like Shadow is what? Sonic with a time stop?
>>730883612>one-offJust to be pendantic Black Knight isn't a one-off villain he is in two games and he is playable(for a few select maps) in the second game
>>730882481>Nintendo's shillPeople really do forget this. There is going to be a lot of coping and seething when characters like Pauline, Oatchi and Sylux make it in while Doom Guy and Crash don't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkftiHtgWC8
>>730883612>#1 recurring enemy in MarioGoomba, maybe Koopa Troopa
>>730888371It's actually Piranha Plant
>>730886905While this is true, I think the reason he's so commonly suggested for Smash is because he'd play differently than any of the existing sword characters, including Ganondorf. Does FE have an antagonist who would be a better representative than him? He'd probably still be the best.
>>730883612Left characters have no cultural impact while the right are all iconic except golden son and shovel guy.
>>730888258why the fuck should Crash be in Smash?Exactly what Nintendo exclusive did it have that would justify it's inclusion? And it's not like Crash is actually that popular a character
>>730883984Characters take a lot of work to make, so in this sense roster slots are finite.>Melee had 10 fully original new characters, not counting Dr. Mario, Pichu, Falco, and Roy>Brawl had 17, not counting Wolf>4 had 15, not counting Dark Pit and Lucina, and 4 DLC characters>Ultimate had 6, not counting Daisy, Richter, Dark Samus, Chrom, Isabell, or Ken, and 11 DLC charactersUltimate's decision to bring everyone back put a serious dent in the base game roster, and it only made up the difference with DLC. It had fewer new characters than Melee did.
>>730883535Zero’s a unique situation in which you can really go either way on either version. Ideally, I would prefer to have X and Zero to share a slot together with a swap function like X8 but I get why that wouldn’t be a popular decision.
>>730889061Oh wait, Brawl is 16, I forgot Lucas. Yes, Toon Link is a distinct character.
>>730889138If you call toon link a distinct character, so should the others. Ness and lucas are more distinct from eachother than toon link and link.
>>730889287Alright, 15
>>730882196Funny how whoever made this image decidedly chose not to include ANY female Assist Trophy characters as examples of “characters we could have gotten instead.”
>>730888258This. We have 3 games in a row of primarily shill picks, and people still don't get it.
>>730889123>I would prefer to have X and Zero to share a slot together with a swap functionI wouldn't mind that cause I want both X and Zero but I couldn't see Sakurai and the Smash Team adding both of them at the same time
>>730889061Should also count young link and ganondorf for melee.I personally think ssb needs to remove some characters. Keep echoes because they're great additions, adding a variation system to the game without shitty customization.
Based, fuck rosterfags and third party niggers. Game and Watch GOD btw
>>730885667Incineroar's moveset isn't creative, his animations are just very expressive.>jabTypical 3-hit jab>ftiltTypical heavy poke, like Bowser's or Ganondorf's>utiltTypical arcing anti-air hitbox>dtiltTypical low % launcher>nairTypical lingering nair>bairTypical kill move bair>dairTypical spike dairAnd so on. His only unique aspects are his counter mechanic (which is, sadly, still a counter) and his side B. Dsmash has a lot of hurtbox displacement like K. Rool's, also.
>>730889928I forgot them, my mistake. Ganondorf does feel very different from Falcon due to the mechanics of Melee, though. Young Link, not so much.
>>730882196Smash will never be great again until Nintendo stops using it as a designated shilling platform for games nobody gives a fuck about and goes back to treating it like an All Stars game.
>>730888830Bayo's first game wasn't a Nintendo exclusive, therefore she shouldn't have been put in.
>>730890063There are no "all stars" left in Nintendo's IPs
>>730888258>Adding Doom Guy Why? If they did, they'd have to make sure he's kid friendly so no super shotgun or minigun. And Doom's not popular in Japan which plays a vital role in who is chosen.
>>730888830>why the fuck should Crash be in Smash?He shouldn't be in, but what tends to happen is when one character gets in, people gravitate to the next one. The people asking for Crash were people who were asking for Banjo, they got Banjo, and then moved onto the next character. The Crash Trilogy came out around that time (or maybe it came out on Switch) so it was the next logical jump for them. Basically they are the originators of the schromblo blimblo meme. Of course, what they forget is a lot of the reason Nintendo went for popular picks is they had the Smash Ballot to work off of but nothing after that. They probably don't even know there are people that want Crash. Its also a reason the next game is going to be way more Nintendo shilling. >Added everyone that people asked for one way or another>Nintendo wants to push its IPs and Smash is a great way to do thatI could see the next game dumping third party characters for that reason. The Smash discussion right now is kind of like how Mario Kart was before world. Everyone was going back and forth about "Nintendo Kart" and the game we got wasn't even close to that
>>730889960So none of the characters in the roster are creative, got it.
Thank god dlc stopped before they announced engage. Otherwise we'd have another fire emblem rep with alear.
>>730890518I don't care about Crash but he is more iconic than 50% of the roster at this point, maybe more. What zoomers call "scrimblo blimblo" as you put it are actually extremely recognizable characters that they simply weren't alive for in most cases. And yes, they deserve a slot way more than some forced advertisement like Incineroar or pretty much every FE character after Robin.
I want him
>>730890578Hahaha... NO!
>>730888603Well there are some good options, in general major antagonists are a bit more varied than protagonistsLyon is a monster summoner, necromancer and general dark magic user that is also host to a demon(is from a game that has nothing is smash and is one of the things people like the most about Sacred Stones)Edelgard is a major antagonist in 3/4 routes in her game(final boss in one even)[but also main protagonist in her route] and she is a heavily armored axe user (is from the most popular game in the franchise)Medeus the first antagonist of the series is a dragon (main antagonist in like 4 games because of sequels and remakes)Arvis is an armored fire mage (there are a lot of rumors about his game getting a remake)Veronica is a villain in the first few books of FEH and she is a staff and magic user predominantly, notable she is always a mounted except in engage and has the power to force contracts so others fight for her in heroes/summon other characters in engage(biggest game original character from the gacha that has gives Nintendo tons of money)
>>730890770While there are valid choices, the issue is that any potential Fire Emblem antagonist character is competing with the generic protagonist from the newest game.
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>>730890063I hope the next Smash roster cuts everything back down to the basics. No characters like Sora or Snake, only Nintendo characters with the only third-parties being characters that are significant to Nintendo’s history like Sonic.
>>730890356Everything you said is correct anon. However, you have to consider the mind of a Smashfag. They are asking for Doom Guy to be in (which then becomes "Why Doom Guy will 100% be in Smash") is because they see Smash now as a "Celebration of Gaming". And if you live in the US, then what legendary series is there but Doom. Again, that's probably not even going to cross the minds of Japanese developers, but these people aren't even considering that. This is also why Smash Discussion has died post Ultimate. Ultimate got pretty much every major pick people had that seemed impossible. It was only the game before this one when we finally got Megaman. Then you add Castlevania, FF, Minecraft, Dragon Quest, several fighting games, and Banjo and Sora. There really isn't anyone left. Do you license out one character people might like just to keep doing it, and do you attempt to bring all these series back with their own licensing and DLC messes when the roster is as big as it is? There is no more place to go with "Everyone is Here" and "Celebration of Gaming". And given how Nintendo is, they'd rather have the series celebrate their own games or shove an open world in it than continuing to add random third party series. There is a reason Ultimate is called Special. The next game will be nothing like it.
>>730890578The majority of "creative" Smash characters and their gimmicks end up being bad for the game, useless, or both:>Ice ClimbersWithout even addressing wobbling, every iteration of ICs has been in the "useless" category. The technical skill required to play ICs optimally is so, so misaligned with Smash's accessible design.>RosalinaEasily one of the most interesting characters they've ever designed, but she was insanely fucking lame in 4. No one liked Rosalina (except Dabuz).>RobinRare example of a good, creative zoner. He's only frustrating to fight due to Smash's input delay and bad, delay-based netcode.>Little MacLittle Mac isn't good, but the issue is that he's an archetype that's a fighting game developer's worst nightmare: rapes bad players, gets raped by good players. KO Punch is also a terribly designed mechanic, as it grinds the game state to a halt.>Ryu, KenAuto-turnaround is fundamentally broken, as is access to consistent combos and kill confirms in a game full of characters with access to neither, by design>Cloud('s Limit)Cloud himself isn't a very creative character, it's Limit that's the issue. To its credit, Ultimate toned Limit down to a much more reasonable level.>BayonettaWitch Time and another issue re: combos and kill confirms. While Ultimate also toned Bayonetta down, she's still frustrating to fight.Ultimate characters in another post, I guess.
>>730892056>Inkling('s ink)I'm tempted to say that this is a positive example of a creative gimmick, but this character effectively fell off the face of the earth after roller was nerfed. In the end, it feels like Inkling is forced to ink opponents to do what other characters can do for free, exacerbating her inability to kill.>SimonAnother positive example of a creative gimmick, but unfortunately he's necessarily bad because he'd be too frustrating to play against otherwise.>K. RoolThe belly armor gimmick is useless and basically irrelevant to the rest of his kit.As for the DLC character, no one needs to go into those. Hero is the only good one.
>>730883612>irrelevant, one-off villain from a game released in 2000Skull Kid was also in Twilight princess
>>730894946That's a different character, thoughbeit. Or rather, he was downgraded back to regular enemy / NPC, like he was in OoT.
>rosterfag got bannedlol>>730891124I sincerely hope Smash 6 is just, like, a fun party game with a smaller roster or something. I'm so tired of Sakurai's sanitized version of semi-competitive-but-not-really Smash. I'd gladly play a Nintendo version of Power Stone or something at this point. The damage that Ultimate did to the prerelease hype cycle of Smash cannot be undone.
