Well /v/ which do you choose?
can i have smt instead
>>730883027>Woke pixelslop gamesNeither.
Much as I love left right has a much better ensemble of characters and it's highs are much higher and lows not so bad compared to CT.
>>730883027I grew up having both. I already win.
Final Fantasy, 'cuz better time travel games have been made, but no better ensamble cast game has been made.
>ensemble appearing this frequently yeah that's totally natural you guysgo ahead and call me an ESL to try to hide it btw
>>730883027Honestly difficult choice for me as I truly loved both of those games. I think Chrono Trigger probably edges out FF3/6 for me but if you asked me on a different day, I might pick Final Fantasy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEO7RCD7jVghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSS6ZRIi7mM
>>730883027I got Secret of Evermore instead.Fuck.
>>730883346HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>730883027ChronoThere are better Final Fantasies than 3/6 but there is only one good Chrono game, that one
>>730883027Left because Chrono is literally me
>>730883027Tried both on the same day 15 years ago, and CT was the clear winner.
>>730883027I choose
>>730883346Secret of Evermore isn't a terrible RPG. I played it again recently with a friend, I controlled the dog, it was a good time. The alchemy system in it is pretty neat. Plus it also has some very nice music as well. Certainly a weaker plot and characters though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OkhgQ8eEbc
>>730883027FF6 is overrated garbage that fails to captivate or inspire
>>730883413Did you remember to feed your cat?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYp_UsDzgxM
>>730883503based
CT is good as babby's first JRPG, while FF6 is just shit (and still top 3 in the series, tells you how good the rest are)
>>730883748I disagree. I was captivated and inspired by FF6.
>>730883027Those games suck.Gimmie Gradius 3.
>>730883919What did you think of Einhander?
>>730883027Chrono Trigger, it has more replayability value than FF6.
>>730883027Earthbound obviously
>>730883027I choose to destroy them both.
Terranigma balls
>>730883027TOP TEN SNES RPGSGO!
>>730884182Not the choice I'd make, but I do respect it. Earthbound gets too much hate these days by association with other games I think
I feel particularly daring today so I choose an actually good game
>>730884182Came to say this. Earthbound mogs FFVI and is slightly better than Chrono.
>>730884264B A S E DI wish the SNES version was translated so I could play it on my analogue pocket.
>>730883027I own both and would choose Chrono Trigger every time, FF6 is a classic but suffers from poor pacing where CT feels like a roller coaster that never lets up
>>730883027I sometimes catch myself fantasizing about going back in time to meet my 7yo ass and bring three items with me. My phone, my Everdrive and my mom's death certificate so I can convince her to stop smoking
Pacing - Chrono TriggerMusic - FF6 Story - FF6 by a factor of 10Cast - FF6 by a factor of 10Gameplay - Chrono TriggerAtmosphere - FF6 Hero/Villain - Terra & KefkaLevel design - FF6 Combat - Chrono Trigger
>>730884651Music Chrono Trigger by a mile wtf are you saying
>>730884651played both and CT wins most of those.
>>730884246For me, it's:Chrono TriggerFinal Fantasy 6Lufia 2Seiken Densetsu 3Dragon Quest 5Tales of PhantasiaFinal Fantasy 4Super Mario RPG LotSSEarthBoundBreath of Fire 2I feel a bit bad leaving out Secret of Mana but I wouldn't replace any of the others with it sadly.
>>730884836It pains me to say it, but he's right. Comparatively, FF6's soundtrack has slightly more really, really good tracks even if CT's is arguably more consistent high quality over the entire soundtrack.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ksnA3Qjx5Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZM6Lmb5tuw
>>730883027Boys will choose one of these three games and base their entire lives aorund them.
i like chrono trigger more and it's kinda close to be honest.
>>730883027>japslopcan i choose neither?
>>730885370Only UK boys got Terranigma unfortunately for us yanks
>>730885370I have to this day never played this. I really should though. Live A Live, too
>>730885708I held off on playing Terranigma for like 13 years, thinking "it's just a fucking SNES JRPG and I'm a cynical adult, it's not like it's going to change my life" and then it changed my life.
>>730883027Chrono Trigger, fuck magicite spell and stat management
>>730884651>cast by a factor of tennigga how dare you disrepect Glenn like that I will mutilate your entire family for saying such a thing
>>730884264This.
>>730883027I choose 1998 sequel of these games.
>>730885823>fuck magicite spell and stat managementYou're right but the game's so fucking easy that I think most people beat it handily without fully understanding that aspect anyway. When I was a kid I just smacked magicite around to learn spells without knowing about the stat thing, I think I can count the number of times I had trouble in battle on one hand. Like... Wrexsoul I think, maybe Phoenix Cave? Can't even remember any more off the top of my head.
>>730885257man ff cucks are delusional
>>730884651>Pacing - Chrono TriggerEverything between returning to the present and magus' castle is utter boredom.>Music - FF6No contest. Any dispute would be laughable. There are multiple single pieces of music in FF6 that BTFO Trigger's entire fucking soundtrack.>Story - FF6 by a factor of 10Yes.>Cast - FF6 by a factor of 10Yes.>Gameplay - Chrono TriggerI guess. It's very shallow and repetetive but it has more flashing lights and I won't pretend FF6 isn't a glitch-ridden mess.>Atmosphere - FF6Yes. Aside from magus castle, the far past and the far future, those are legendary.>Hero/Villain - Terra & KefkaThe hero of FF6 is absent for half the game?>Level design - FF6What level design>Combat - Chrono TriggerSame as gameplay.
>>730885861I feel like Frog and Cyan would get along really well. Even more than the honorable loyal swordsman thing, I think they both dealt with loss very similarly and they'd quickly recognize that in each other.
>>730885930FF7 was ‘97 and Chrono Cross was ‘99 but maybe that’s the point of your bait
I prefer Chrono Trigger if only because FF6 is a completely broken mess. By the midway individual character stats don't really matter anymore, since you can just shove the same spells and gimmicks onto all of them. Just turn everyone into a quadcasting ultima machine and trivialize the entire final portion of the game. If anyone here unironically says that they used character quirks like Sabin's blitzes, or Cyan's bushido, they're straight up lying to you.chrono Trigger, despite its faults, at least tries to give each character their own unique traits. Sure you can make the endgame easy, but at least you can't just turn everyone into a clone of Chrono and have them all casting luminaire. It's also nice that they take into account that certain characters can't even use these abilities, like Robo and Ayla, so they have their own niches to fill. Meanwhile in FF6, everyone can just fling magic around like it was nothing. Even the kid who grew up on the veldt and doesn't even know how to speak english, he can just quadcast flare and meteor and ultima like it was nothing.
>>730886165I like both soundtracks and shitting on one to try and glaze the other makes zero sense to me.
>>730883632SoE>SoMI hate the music in Manahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fou1QylX-zI
>>730883027CT is a much better game than FF6. If it was FF5 it'd be FF5.
>>730886479Not to mention their unique character abilities are pure shite in themselves. Who would ever use Relm's sketch? And why would you ever use even 1% of Gau's rages? And who tf cares about Celes and her runic ability, when at this point you'd have a ton of armor that resists and even absorbs certain attacks?
>>730886574sure but CT soundtrack OBLITERATES the ff one
>>730886405It really shows the difference in character depth. Frog is just a knight. And his master died before the start of the game. And when Magus joins your party he's just like "OK". The fucking kid with the hero's medal was a more interesting character. Meanwhile Cyan's entire kingdom & family died, in an event that was incredibly important to the rest of the plot and characters, and he's obsessed with learning how to use machines, and he's caring for someone who lost their family in the ruined world by breaking his vows and lying, and he has strong connections to other characters.
>>730886479>Even the kid who grew up on the veldt and doesn't even know how to speak englishDon't pick on my boy Gau. Intelligence shines within those eyes
>>730886648FF5 is incredible especially its battle system but surely you jest
>>730886479>>730886758One cannot mention the Veldt without posting the beat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Piyw-x10JwI&list=RDPiyw-x10JwI&start_radio=1
I'm really hard pressed to choose between these two in particular, I love them both. Both have their strengths and are really fun to play for different reasons.Forced to choose however I'd probably go for Chrono Trigger for having a tighter cast/narrative, which adds to its replayability. FF6 is longer and has a bigger cast, some of which I love just as much (if not more) than CT's cast but also more forgettable members whereas I could not forget a single CT character.
>>730883632>I played it again recently with a friend, I controlled the dog, it was a good timeYou can only do this with a patch the rom, by the way.t. had the actual cartridge and was sorely disappointed I couldn't coop with my bro when I younger
>>730883632>Certainly a weaker plot and characters though>SoM's story>a sword is your father>a tree is your mother...
>>730883027
>>730886804No, FFV is the best game on the console.
>>730886734>It really shows the difference in character depth. Frog is just a knight. And his master died before the start of the game. And when Magus joins your party he's just like "OK". Except you can actually choose whether to kill Magus or not, and if Frog is in your party he can solo him. You actually have the option to give him his vengeance, or have him learn to move on from the past. he even says "killing you won't bring chrono back". It's easy to hate Magus for the whole fiendlord affair, but at that point they all recognize that Lavos is the bigger threat.What was Cyan's excuse when the empire poisoned Doma and then they have a happy dinner afterward and gestahl basically says "whoopsy daisy"?
>>730886986He drops a pendant and that's that. No one talks of him again. It's so incredibly shallow. You get a choice to kill Cid in FF6 and it leads to the most heart-rending scene in the entire franchise.
>>730886825We primal nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAXD8GjvcFw&list=RDwAXD8GjvcFw&start_radio=1
FF 3 got an english release on nes?
>>730887062And if you don't kill Cid, he stays on the island and nobody ever brings him up again. They don't even invite him onto their airship.
>>730886825Das rite>>730886862Hehe. I meant FF6 though>>730886619Here's the thing: SoM had plenty of questionable tracks but it also had quite a few great tracks. SoE had a handful of great tracks and large sections of the game that barely had any music at all! Like nothing but the barest ambient shit... which remains a problem with western RPGs to this very day but I digress.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KtEHfhxRjwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnYYcKkEcdshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R71kGzAkVgA
>>730886986>Except you can actually choose whether to kill Magus or not, and if Frog is in your party he can solo him. You actually have the option to give him his vengeance, or have him learn to move on from the past. he even says "killing you won't bring chrono back". It's easy to hate Magus for the whole fiendlord affair, but at that point they all recognize that Lavos is the bigger threat.And choosing to have Frog kill him actually lets from turn back into human at the end of the game. You don't need Magus to beat Lavos, plus the guy literally just jobbed to Lavos and fucked up the ice age so bad that Black Omen became a thing. The only people that save him are just Vegetabrained retards and children.
>>730886734>Frog is just a knight. And his master died before the start of the game. And when Magus joins your party he's just like "OK".Is this bait? There's a lot more to Frog than that, come on.Frog's backstory is that of a weakling who wasn't meant to be the hero but was thrust into it by circumstance. Glenn was constantly being saved by Cyrus as children, he didn't like to fight even if he was a more skilled swordsman than Cyrus, but was perfectly happy being his squire while Cyrus was the hero who held the hopes of the kingdom on his shoulders. When Cyrus is killed and Glenn is cursed, he has a crisis of identity and confidence that he could never live up to Cyrus' example or have the will to carry his legacy. After Masamune is restored he sees a chance for redemption and takes up his friend's blade to finish his work and ultimately surpasses Cyrus, proving he had the potential to be the hero of his story all along. When Magus is spared it's with the added context of A) realizing they had a common enemy in Lavos and B) realizing killing Magus would neither bring Crono or Cyrus back to life, it's not like he just forgives Magus there are reasons to spare him (even though you can still choose not to and avenge Cyrus' death)
>can't explore 1999 adSorry but FFVI wins this time
>>730887150He did do some pretty fucked up shit, I guess. I mean he's not Hojo or even Dr. Odine but he probably brings bad vibes to the airship.
>>730883373But FF3/6 is bettwr thsn Chrono trigger. Therefore FF as a whole > Chrono as a whole
>>730883748CT is probably the most overrated game of all time. It's just a good JRPG does nothing special or unique, has been surpassed countless times since
>>730883027turn 360 degrees and walk away
Good. The Crossfags are finally silenced. Let us never mention that crap again.
>>730883027Fanslated DQ1+2 for the Super Famicom/Snes
>>730883027I've yet to play a Final Fantasy game better than Chrono Trigger.
>>730886896Ahem*
>>730883632
>>730887378PLAY FFVII MAN ITS BEEN 30 YEARS FUCK
>>730883027Trigger. I've never played a Final Fantasy game I liked.
>>730883027>Cartridge Slop 1 or Cartridge Slop 2No thanks, I only play real games.
I think it's interesting how different FF3/6 and CT are. CT is so linear and focused where 3/6 is more broad and open
>>730886417
I would've been competely fine if video games had ended with the SNES. It had 5 of everything.
>>730884836Dancing Mad mogs anything on CT
>>730883027Final Fantasy VI is a better RPG.
>>730887648The perfect cut off point for video games is Gen VIGames peaked with PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era
>>730883027CT all day, soundtrack alone beats it
>>730887702>>730887743Lol
So this is what happens when contrarians clash? Fascinating.
>>730886734>Frog is just a knight. And his master died before the start of the game.Technically Glenn was never a knight. Cyrus joined the knighthood and Glenn helped him because Cyrus was his best friend. Also, Cyrus wasn't Glenn's master. Glenn was a better swordsman than Cyrus was, he was just soft-hearted and didn't want to harm anyone. Their dynamic was more like Zero and Mega Man X than a master/student thing.Frog also struggled more with trusting Magus than you're letting on, I think. I consider his deciding to spare or kill Magus at the North Cape to be an understated character defining moment. I always choose spare, because I think it's more in-character for Glenn to not want to kill Magus as he's no longer a threat to his friends, whereas Lavos is, and... he doesn't like hurting people. He's a good person. I know it sounds corny but I feel like if you choose revenge for him at that point, it's like letting Magus take that part of him away.>>730886986Been a while since I played FF6 but I'm pretty sure Cyan was the angriest one at that conference, plus the Emperor was lying and saying it was all Kefka doing evil shit on his own and he's in prison now. And whenever an imperial does anything suspicious Cyan is the first to say "I fucking knew it!", even when Celes' loyalty is brought into question.
Both games are way too easy and accessible. I prefer a game with some chest-hair on it.
>>730887971My muhfuckin terranigga
>>730887575Don't they both become open in their last act, it's just that FF6 has more stuff to do in the World of Ruin than the number of sidequests in CT after getting the Epoch?
>>730887971Terranigma chads stay winning however this game is peak SNES.
>>730888059People say CT opens up but it really doesn't. CT world is so much smaller than 6s.
>>730888153It never opens up like FF6, for sure. But at the very end of the game there are a like a 10 different major side quests you can do that will influence the ending you get.
>>730887545None of the games were made by AI tho
>>730888080I wish I could see the charm in the mother games, but they just piss me off. They're like, "look at these silly RPG tropes aren't they silly", long after all their contemporaries had already subverted said tropes and mother was the only one left doing them.>>730888153Makes me wonder why there are even side-quests at all, they feel as fleshed out as the regular content.
>>730887852>>730886986The biggest thing with Cyan was he didn't blame all the Empire for the death of his family and countrymen.If you bring him to the bouquet, when General Leo appears, he'll specifically Identify Cyan and personally apologize for not being there to stop Kefka to which Cyan replies it wasn't his fault.
>>730888153CT makes up for it IMO with time travel - the world IS smaller but there's also six different versions of it, all with their own components and some even reaching across multiple eras.
>>730888153There are a bunch of optional areas you can visit in any order though. iirc they serve as character specific quests. Kind of like the loyalty quests in Mass Effect 2
>>730887971Now maybe, FF3 (6) when it came out in EU was more than niche. I remember seeing the popular gaming magazine here ("Power Unlimited") give it a 5.5 out of 10 (Netherlands)They only got popular retoactively after FF7Chrono Trigger was an instant hit/ loved to the max everywhre (by me too) , even though that one,WAS NOT RELEASED in EU markets. I got it imported...Very different times
>>730888280>>730888153That is not to say though that I don't think FF6 is still bigger, there's so many side-quests both for finding your lost companions and extra Espers, weapons, equipment, and even extra companions. FF6 vs CT is a really tough comparison for me. I do think FF6 is ultimately a lot bigger/longer but that's not always a plus, there is value in having a more compact experience.
The snes was the golden age.
>>730883027Chrono Trigger, and it's not even close. Better characters, better story, better music, insane amount of replay value, alternate endings, no random battles, combined magic attacks; the list goes on and on. Final Fantasy III/6 is mogged in every category and just repeats the tired elements of each previous game.
I resent how CT forces you to keep Ayla around for so long because of all the steal-exclusive shit and because she's a boring cavewoman with no personality. Even if Locke sucked in battle he at least had more going on.
>>730888276I also vaguely recall Cyan pointing out Leo prior to Kefka's wacky warcrime and saying something along the lines of, "That's General Leo. He might be my friend if he weren't my enemy." Or something like that.
>>730888515That was Sabin
>>730887801There's nothing contrarian about liking CT or FF6. They are two of the most popular SNES games of all time
>>730888430>FF3 (6) when it came out in EU was more than nicheIt never got an SNES release in europe. Europeans never saw it natively until the psx collection that came out FF7. Maybe you're thinking about Mystic Quest?
>>730888563Oh, was it? Damn I've been remembering that wrong for most of my life then
>>730888634I'm European, I didn't hear jack about FF until 7 came out, and once it did there was an editorial which stated that 6 was even better. I did read about breath of fire a lot though.
>>730888080EarthBound chadstride
I love Ayla and Celes
>>730888693Yeah Cyan's a cool guy but I doubt he'd come up to Leo like "thank you for assisting in killing my wife and daughter, may I have another sir?"
>>730888693Yeah, Sabin overhears General Leo at the imperal camp talking to an imperial solider who's ready to attack Doma and after Leo says they shouldn't rush an attack because it would cause unnecessary casualties for the Empire, the solider says he's ready to die to achieve victory. Leo then asks if he has family to which the solider says yes and Leo says he shouldn't throw away his life so rashly when he has people waiting for him.
>>730888791Celes is such a good fucking character. Makes me mad when people call Terra the main character.
>>730888080For some reason when I was kid I thought frank was in his 30s and not a teenager.
>>730888750>I didn't hear jack about FF until 7 came outYeah that's because you only had Mystic Quest which was SD1 and like Mystic Quest Legends (which was Final Fantasy Mystic Quest). I don't either of those releases were branded with Final Fantasy at all. Funny because here in America, everything from Squaresoft back then had "Final Fantasy." Even the GB Saga games were Final Fantasy Legends.
>>730888851Celes is my favorite FF girl periodThough I think the point of FF6 is there isn't supposed to be 'a' single main character like other FF's. Officially Squeenix says it's Terra but FF6 had an ensemble cast, multiple characters shared the spotlight. Some more than other sure but I think in general it's inaccurate to say FF6 had any one singular main protagonist
>>730888808That would have been before the poisoning because Sabin pointed him out while he was still at the Imperial encampment. Kefka didn't poison Doma's drinking water until after Leo was called away. I'm pretty confident I remembered that part right at least
>>730883027You need to lookup MSU-1 right fucking now
>>730883027Give me Lufia II
>>730888981I did get an extension for my SNES to play imported USA games, but that's just because I wanted to play Contra III and not the lame Super Probotector.
>>730889076My man.
>>730888790Dude thanks for the art got any more?
FF6 is my personal preference. chrono trigger is great but I get a far more grand sense of things from FF6.
>>730883091>Chrono Trigger.>Woke.One of the side quests to get a tab is by finding a porno mag of the Naga's and giving it to a dirty old man in the village across the bridge.Nothing woke about it.>MUH FLEAFlea was a man in the japanese version, he just liked being beautiful, so thats a translation issue.
ff6 for sure. I actually only played both of these for first time last year and FF6 is better.
>>730888995I don't care what anyone says, to me it's treasure hunter Locke.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLrsUOA4Vb4&list=RDJLrsUOA4Vb4&start_radio=1
>>730889221I've got a handful of EarthBound and Mother 1 fanart saved
Not being poor ofc you asspooped sissy lol>sissygames>stinkygtfo>attracting only stinky kids because being poorsissy lmao.
>>730883027Trigger, I don't like III/VI that much. In fact I'm one of the few that prefers II/IV over it.
>>730889240you must be 10 levels deep on the retard scale to engage with such an obvious bait post.
>>730889240>Flea was a man in the japanese version, he just liked being beautiful, so thats a translation issue.What?Flea is a man in the English version too. He says so. He just transforms because he likes being beautiful. How is there a translation issue? It's the same.
>>730889470China really likes V for some reason.
>attracting Kids with stinking Assholes
>>730883632It was Jeremy Soule's first composed videogame at the age of 16
>>730889696Probably some hong kong or taiwan boot leg got popular there
>>730889474>YOU GOTTA BE RETARDED TO INTERACT WITH ANYONE ON /V/Well said.So why do any of us come here, why did you respond to me?We both are retarded.
>>730883346Evermore is a good game. Buggy? Sure. But soulful. However i remember back in 96 the price for a used copy if Chrono Trigger could vary from $110-150 at funcoland. Not easy to come by.
>>730889404Please post I love it
>>730883027Here is another tough SNES pick. I think I'd very slightly give it to ____Yoshi's Island____
>>730889696Super interesting map.
>>730889573
>>730889696>russia ff1lol what?
>>730890291I prefer dkc2 between the two, much better feeling difficulty progression for my personal tastes.yoshi's island is incredibly beautiful though.
>>730889696Man those island nations love 10, huh.
>>730890291I perfer playing DKC2 but I concede that Yoshi's Island is the better game, and possibly the best 2D game ever made. I played it almost every signle fucking day between age 7 and 8.
>>730890468>Ethiopia: "What the fuck is that blue stuff everyone's swimming around in?"
>>730889696>>730890468Is X as (or even more popular) than VII now?
>>730883027I don't have to choose.
>>730889696>>730890468personally I would call this bs. Is literally impossible for Chile and argentina to have the same taste. as a person that did a lot of podcasts at that time in chile. most of the gaming population liked 7 a lot more. probably 7 out 10 people liked 7 than any other ff.piracy & chile being NTSC and argentina PAL may have been a factor in some ways but I'm not sure.
>>730890631In Japan I think X was more popular, but FFVII globally has sold more. It basically hit all the notes that fujoshi love in Japan, and cemented SE pandering to them for the next 20 years
>>730890728This was prior to the 7 remake, it's pretty impressive such an old and forgotten game had a presence at all. 1 and 4 were swimming in modern remakes.
>>730883063You could but you weren't even alive in 95 and SMT has never gotten or deserved the critical acclaim that those 2 titles have earned in 40 years, contrarian.
>>730889696Super weird map. Very unexpected results. I get the feeling at least some of it is due to numbering confusion
>>730889696Are we sure nigerians aren't voting for NTSC III?
>Sissypoor>Only attracts stinky Kidspoor Sissy detected
>>730890045Sure I can post a few.
>>730890840It's just votes from an online survey back in 2017. Not saying it isn't statistically significant, but we don't know anything about it or anything. Like Final Fantasy 1 never came out in Russian during the NES era (obviously), why is it their number 1 though? Could easily been botted.
>>730883027and it's not even close
>>730891014GBA and PSP remakes.
>>730891130They didn't specify remakes, so I'm going to assume that's not the case
>>730890563YI is a genuine masterpiece. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's the best 2D game ever because that's too lofty of a statement but I'd definitely put it up there as one of the best platformers of all time. Too bad it will never, ever get another worthwhile sequel. No, Wooly World sucks and any other Yoshi isn't even worth talking about.
>>730883027Play the Quintet Trilogy
>>730891023my nigga.
>>730891014Maybe they're all really huge fans of 8-bit theater.
You guys know better media has come out and you can let go of the past, right?
>>730890045
>>730891215It's the final 2D game by the most experienced team of developers that have ever existed, having made fantastic games all the back since SMBs. Of course we'll never get anything that fucking good again.DKC2 is kind of the opposite. I wouldn't say Rare came out of nowhere, battletoads is still among my top 5 favorite games of all time, but in like 2 years they went from "who's this?" to beating mario at his own game.
>>730889696>Italy FF13Porca puttana
>>730891285>oopdootreally?
>>730891269Loved that shit.
>>730891285Some of the best gen 4 titles still utterly mog everything released in the past decade. I don't even think FF5 still shits on every Final Fantasy released in I don't know how many years.
That reminds me. How was the SNES Shadowrun?
>>730891397People suck off Expedition 33 so much when Chrono or FFVI would absolutely kill it in a GOTY show.
>>730891473better on the sega genesis
Lufia 2 clears
>>730891603
>>730891502E33 is nice and has a nice starting point. the thing that would likely make it win is just graphics. because is 3d. you know 3d is more modern and of course it has to be good.I wish expedition 33 wasn't an unoptimized mess that looks like pixelated garbage with 3px size fonts and 3d models practically made by AI being more like bioshock 3 would have been a lot better.
Uh oh, Expedition 33 mentioned. For the record, I like that RPG too, just not as much as the classics.
>>730888276>>730888515I was one of those kids who tried fucking EVERY rumor to bring back General Leo. You got to play him for like 2 minutes,seemed like he should have been gloriously overpowered, yet got his ass handed to him because he was the honorable guy going up against the complete assholes on 'his' side. Then later in the game when you go up against Kefka's castle, defeat the big war mech that killed Leo, unsealed and defeated the 8 dragons, atma weapon etc.. I really hoped that going back to Leo's grave in WoR after doing the right thing would have meant bringing him back but no, none of it worked out and FF6 never got the kind of successor versions that FF4 did like the GBA and PSP ports, 3DS etc.. where you could bring back Yang, Palom/Porum etc. It was only secondary to how in Xenogears you never got to recruit Ramsus (and maybe his team)... it just seemed like you SHOULD have been able to. Years later I learned that YES in fact he was planning to be recruited but that shit was cut from Disc2 along with so, so much else.
>>730891739>unoptimized?????????It runs on fucking phones, brother. It's fine
>>730891603Does it actually? Why?
>>730891502"The enemy of art is the absence of limitations"A lot of old games mog modern games not in spite of the hardware limitations of their eras, but because of them. It forced creators to cut the fat and get very specific with what they could/couldn't do to deliver the best possible experience. Something that has not been a problem for modern games since game sizes of over a gigabyte became possible.
What's the better 1st entryStar oceanBreath of FireTales of
>>730883027The one I've played.
>>730891904Picture a canvas. You can either put something really incredible on the canvas, or you can paint everything from here to the next city block over. Modern games are too fucking big, the environments have to be uninteresting rocks.
>>730891896not really. for what it is it should run on even lower specs you're just used to shit running like garbage.
SILENCE.Let a real man state his favorites on the superior console.
>>730891987C'mon, are you serious? Phantasia is yet to be surpassed.>>730892067Hydlide? Fucker.
FF, if I want a Toriyama game I can play Dragon Quest instead.
>>730892113>C'mon, are you serious? Phantasia is yet to be surpassed.The games listed are all series I have played later entries but never tried the 1st
>>730891987>star oceanone of the best openings in any game ever, the combat system having more interactivity is enormous even if it's pretty simple in the end.>breath of firePossibly one of the most generic games ever made. I still do not understand how the series got so popular off of it. I love 2/3/4 but 1 is just so mediocre besides the overworld interactions of party members.>tales of phantasialiterally that fucking old comic with the old man and the jewel of world destruction for the tutorial then "YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED". Fun though, beautiful art. I mean, just insanely good. The only reason I'll say breath of fire is because it actually came out before the 5th gen was already well fucking underway.
>>730892191https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbmCKT3XSAU
I haven’t played either, but I hope Chrono and Cloud come to Fortnite or COD: Warzone soon…
>>730884264pic unrelated
>>730891903Not him but I adore that RPG. I even loved the dungeon puzzles. And speaking of dungeons, it's one of the few SNES RPGs that didn't have random battles (in dungeons. It did on the overworld though)What I really fell in love with though was the cast. I loved them all especially Maxim, Selan, Guy and Dekar. Arty, Lexis and Tia were cool too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJDWz7mdPtA
>>730892046Ran just fine on my 1070ti.Sounds like you're mad technology is moving forward though. Celebrate when a game does something right. It's the only UE5 game to actually not have fucktons of stutters because they DID take time to optimize it.
These are the only two SNES carts I've kept over all of these years. Between the two overall I'd take CT.Not sure why people are pissing on one soundtrack or the other, both are 9/10 at worst. Zeal >=< Dancing Mad. >>730891023I thought CT was expensive at like $80 and then this was like 100$. Older sis had a genesis and bought it...great game.
>>730884414>I wish the SNES version was translated so I could play it on my analogue pocket.Theres a fan translation. I'd upload it but this shitty website wont let me.
>>730884241I wish NA got this game, what an absolvte diamond of a game.
>>730892661Catbox dot moe
>>730892782not either anon in this conversation but use litterbox, they can and will sell your info if you put something "illegal" (like a translated, completely patched rom), since the main site doesn't wipe.
>>730892403honestly I didn't see anything worth celebrating about its performance. no idea after the update but the sole concept of the characters 3d models being made out of tons of meshes (look like scales) in order to dissolve was awful. why do you even need that outside the times the characters fade away. a fucking waste of polygons. same for all the shit you see on screen. no wonder tho after all the game is an asset flip. art direction doesn't really fix that.
>>730889696>ff3I don't know how "classchange everybody into this setup or die: the game" can be anybody's favorite when 5 simply does the job system far better.
>>730893007I'm not saying it's perfect, but I AM saying it's far and away the most optimized title since the new fucking engine dropped, celebrate the shit it does right and criticize what it does wrong. The meshes are stupid, the 3D models are garten of banban level fucktarded, call those out, absolutely.But to deny that it's the MOST optimized, that it fixed that ffffffffffucking stuttering literally every UE5 game has is ABSOLUTELY something it deserves credit for.
>>730883027I guess FF3. Still amazing music, characters, and story, but it also has WAY deeper mechanics than CT.
>>730893076So based
>>730893050Because the original NES version, at least, doesn't require that. You can do funky shit by abusing onion knight giving you insane stat gain in higher levels, but it has nowhere near the extreme requirements and penalties the DS version does.I still prefer 5 but 3's bad because the story sucks, I don't think it's handling of the job system is to blame.That's more nintendo's fault for forcing the fuck-ass wifi bullshit in.
>>730889696>niggers love xmakes sense. only low iq idiots think this game is good.
It's insane how the NES and SNES were JRPG machines and then the N64 just got completely shafted in favor of the PS1. And their home consoles never really recovered until the Switch I guess when it comes to JRPGs.
>>730893257I played the NES version and you just die if you dont make everybody dragoons for Garuda, or you don't make everybody mages for the mini-only sections. Don't even get me started on those shitty "enemies split when attacked unless you use magic/katanas on them" dungeons. Onion knight also only gets good gains at like level 88 or some shit
>>730892782>>730892993>litterboxhttps://litter.catbox.moe/3ispqfmtzc6npwvp.zip
>>730890832i still like it more
>>730893291That's how everyone kid with an n64 felt in the 90s after having an snes or nes. Some of the most rabid fans convinced themselves that Quest 64 and Aidlyn Chronicles were good, but they are putrid dog shit
>>730890291DKC>DKC2>DKC3>Super Mario World>Yoshi's Island
>>730893161I know and is still bad. call it whatever or for what it really is... that U5 being absolute garbage.the game looks no much better (if so) than farcry5, a game that in high settings has twice the framerate.also is a fucking RPG. there's not even ton's of shit to calculate on real time. just graphics and 2 or 3 enemies.
>>730885257Secret of Mana is the real winner of the music category.
>>730893423>This file contains a virus or malwareTell me it's a misunderstanding, anon
>>730893291Nintendo was so brutally draconian in forcing censorship and taking creative control away from dev studios and publishers that everyone was BEGGING to get away from them.Cost of cartridges was also getting higher, and nintendo was forcing bulk sales in late SNES and early n64 days, meaning you had to commit to making tens of thousands of copies. Sony had no such limits, CDs were proving to be a viable media for music (I mean, they had been for a couple years), sony was offering great incentives to anyone who moved over, dev kits for free, stacks and stacks and stacks of CD palettes, marketing, etc.>>730893491Quest 64 JP is horrifically underrated, it's a damn shame, because it fixes tons of issues with the english release. It's not good, don't get me wrong, but infinitely better.Also hybrid heaven rules, fuck you. Coomer build for life.
>>730887426Super overrated
>>730893625>Quest 64 JP is horrifically underratedShut you fucking mouth. Didn't read anything else. The game is literally UNFINISHED. This like almost 30 years of cope anon. It's pathetic.
>>730893684>unfinishedONLY THE ENGLISH VERSION YOU MONGOLOID, READ, NIGGER, READ.
>>730893617Some of the greatest concept/cover art ever. We will never get concept art like this again.
secret of mana
>>730893739You can't fix the unfinished ending of the game you dumb NIGGER
>>730893863It has a finished ending you fucking retard. That's the entire fucking point, it has an ending, and even a fucking epilogue to tie it in to the GBC game.
Which one do you choose, /v/?
>>730883027Mario RPG and Shining Force 1 and 2
It's not even close.
>>730893970Third from the left. Always pick third.
>>730893951That's awesome dude! Do you still have to go through an entire soulless empty 3d world with dogshit combat and a paper thin plot with no characterization and an awful soundtrack?The best "RPG" on the n64 was Ogre Battle 64, that's the best I can say about RPGs on the n64. But it's a great game besides the bad soundtrack.
Comfy slice of life in the Kingdom of Zeal
>>730894364I'd say Paper Mario but that's such a grim competition the title doesn't really mean anything.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cPGKoRUcnPA&list=PLREYF4RnDeQDBhTrL4DIOTPC0S9hDCbiM&index=33&pp=iAQB8AUBarc the lad 1 and 2 were fun. I need to play the 3rd one.
>>730894519It just made me want to play Super Mario RPG
SRPG supremacy
>>730894737That's funny, I don't recall making this post.
>>730883027Chrono Trigger is indisputably great. FF6's love stems mostly from unwarranted nostalgia. Wouldn't even say its the 2nd best on the SNES.
>>730894747I liked that you could move units over water which Ogre Battle 64 had. Also like that id showed your chaos frame. OB64 was a good improvement. Glad we got Unicorn Overlord.
>>730895052>which Ogre Battle 64 didnt have*
>>730884651>Music - FF6I can still vividly remember Frog's or Magus' themes from CT, but nothing from FF6 comes to mind, so this one's weird.
>>730895542I admit FF6 does have the better intro music
>>730895542Insane to imagine that. Terra's theme at least should have stuck with you. Did you play it during a deep depression or psychosis?
>>730892067HITLER NO_WHAT?!>Bionic CommandoOh.
>>730895675NTA but i'm the same. Chrono Trigger is nothing but memorable themes. FF6 music is good but indistinct.
I love how I can’t tell which one /v/ actually prefers based on the thread. Both evenly matched 10/10 masterpieces from the looks of it.
>>730896146>>730895675>>730895542I also agree CT's is stronger overall but I will not let FF6's soundtrack be slept on. Locke's, Terra's, Celes, Shadow, Kefka themes all live in my head rent free. Dancing Mad too, and there are numerous other tracks I can recall though I don't remember specifically what point they play.
>>730895542>>730896146same here I remember most if not all song from chrono trigger and barely any from FF if is not 7 where is just the most popular ones like one winged angel mario rpg. phantasystar 4, terranigma, ys. I remember from many games. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2D42kDYQ2zs&pp=ygUncGhhbnRhc3kgc3RhciBJViByZWFsIGhhcmR3YXJlIG9zdCBydW5l
>>730883027FF6 is the greatest video game ever made.
>>730896420the thread is obvious more on the CT side.
>>730896739I wouldn’t say obvious
>>730883748This is simply not true. No video game narrative has topped the Celes arc.
>>730896827well maybe you need to filter out the obvious troll bait posts' like>>730896693
>>730896869This gif alone shows why you shouldn’t play the pixel demaster version
>>730896869>omg i am le so depressed and this le (fake) suicide is DEEPBeing a manchild who doesn't play videogames must be tough
>>730896869>Greatest moment in videogame storytelling>It's optional?
>>730897028>(fake)She wasn't kidding. She really intended to dieOf course, I saved Cid so it's less fucked up
>>730896869You should play more games then
>>730897069Without knowing the mechanics of how to keep Cid alive it's unlikely you'll miss the scene on a first playthrough.
>>730891285Not true for FF6. It's yet to be topped.
>>730897281It was already topped with ease by older games
>>730897374Name 50 games that topped 6
I think CT's story and atmosphere are very charming, but I think FF6 has a stronger more consistent narrative centered around loss, despair, and hope that goes underappreciated by casual players who aren't willing to get really invested and think critically about the story on the whole. CT also has these themes (like bringing the seeds to the survivors in 2300AD) but doesn't revolve around them or delve into them as much. CT is the much more approachable, feel good story so it makes sense that /v/ prefers it. FF6 is for people that take these types of RPGs a bit more seriously.
>>730897173nta but nah it makes no sense to talk about "better story", and above all deep=/=well written, CT or FF6 are not excessively deep, but they are well written and engaging, they are like excellent coming of age novels or epic narratives
I've got both of them, but if I have to choose it's gonna be Chrono Trigger
>>730897649FF6 deserves better than this type of shallow shitposting btw
>>730897028Philistine. It's retelling the story of Japan's defeat in WW2. Celes's suicide is the despair of ruined Japan and the suicides that followed, especially the cliff suicides on island Okinawa.
>>730896961Why? What did they do?
I pray to God you people don't keep humoring this farce
Both those games are overrated
>>730897936>he says, posting overrated crap
>>730897910What farce? Pretentious casuals on /v/ clinging on to shitty games from their childhood?It's as honest as it can be, one of the very few moments in which the average /v/irgin isn't actually hiding behind twenty layers of irony.
>>730898029>some of the most beloved games of all time>lol it's some random game from your childhood(You)
>>730897654I feel like Shadow's arc ending with him choosing to stop and wait for death undercuts the overall narrative of FF6 being about finding hope and the strength to overcome loss and reasons to keep going though
why hasnt anyone made a game as good or better than ff6 or chrono trigger? We've undergone 30 years of technological advancements, surely any regular guy can develop a snes-style game on his own now right?
>>730897649>name 50>here's a list of all RPGs ever made.>not enough to count to 50so sad.
>>730883027ff6, not even a choice
>>730898110>>some of the most beloved games of all timeSubtitles:Some mediocre games circlejerked by a generation of millennial game journalists hired by the industry that nobody actually gives a shit about
>>730897173FF6 is an epic retelling of Japan defeat in WW2, counterbalanced with a narrative of Christian redemption. No other video game comes close.Terra = God-(wo)man Christ whose self-sacrifice redeems the wordEspers = Christian martyrs (particularly at Nagasaki, but general allegory of self-sacrifice for collective redemption)Emperor = HirohitoKeftka = American nuclear and fire bombersRuined world = ruin of Japan caused by the Emperor's hubris in launching WW2Celes = despair at defeat, then hope after defeat for a new Japan that would be created
>>730898027Every Final Fantasy game is over rated crap.
>>730898204Yeah this anon thinks he's really cute, false flagging so blatantly
>>730898324Explain how these are mediocre.
>>730898329
>>730897654I can fully appreciate FF6's themes of perseverance in the face of overwhelming grief and agree with most of your post but I would say CT has a strong central theme of hope itself. The entire premise of the game is always being able to make your future better regardless of your past, and has plenty of dark moments itself for adversity too. I find CT/FF6 such a fascinating pair of games because of a few overarching themes between them. Both feature an apocalypse that completely destroys their world, but handle it in different ways (FF6 there is no going back to the WoB and you can only make the WoR a better place, whereas in CT they have the option to prevent the apocalypse outright)
>>730898143Symbolic of despair being let go. Shadow is an allegory for despair and lost hope, his death is the end of that fornlorness and its replacement by youth and hope in his daughter.
>>730898416I shouldn't need to, especially not in the case of such a lazily done piece of crap as FF6, not the CT is much better since it somehow plays even worse but at least they had SOME attention to details there rather than recycling the same tileset for 90% of the towns in the world
>>730898158Lack of narrative ambition. Today's video game writers are uncultured and raised on genre fiction. Slop into their brains, slop output.
>>730898454FF6 is a national epic written at a higher literary level than other video games. They choose not to be limited by the ludo format: most video games sacrifice narrative for gameplay, FF6 chose not to.
>>730898527Better that he just not kill himself and be there for his daughter. Strago won't be around forever. I get that his past haunts him but I don't get how suicide is the answer for him when he still has a positive role to play and everyone else has rejected death as the answer
>>730897649I can name 30 rpgs alone above Chrono Trigger easily
>>730899513name just 10
>>730883027Neither.
>>730887545toxotransmosment
>>730886479Character in FF6 pretty much don't gain stats on level up (you have to equip magicite with specific stats for that)
>>730898883>most video games sacrifice narrative for gameplayIf your game does this then it's not worth playing. The opposite isn't true. Imagine removing plot points for other boring random encounters and shit. Gameplay is very important, and i can see why it's the selling point in games like FF5, but some JRPGs are very ambitious with their stories
>>730893624It shouldn't contain a virus. I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I tried uploading it as a jpeg before but that shouldn't have done anything to it.
>>730900001Wrong. A plotless game can be fantastic.
>>730900001Firstly, gameplay is for bing bing wahoo toddlers, cultured people appreciate literary experiences. Secondly, FF6 does not sacrifice gameplay for narrative, it seemlessly achieves both excellent narrative and excellent gameplay.
>>730898158Don't forget that Chrono Trigger was made by the dream team.
>>730900378>cultured people>seemlesslyBoth the narrative and gameplay side of FF6 are dogshit and your lack of basic literacy coupled with your overinflated ego are proof of that
>>730900378FFVI's gameplay sucks and its narrative is mediocre.
>>730900001>some JRPGs are very ambitious with their storiesAs sloppy incoherent genre fiction fantasy/sci-fi? Where the twists and turns are shoehorned in to cater for the need for boss fights and travel to new levels/biomes? Sure, many JRPGs have sprawling plots the player rambles through that are serviceable enough, but it's a very different thing to pull off a game narrative of literary merit.
step aside, peasants
>>730900378>LITERALLY a Barkley truck pump come to life
>>730900180>Wrong. A plotless game can be fantastic.I didn't mean to say this, if the story isn't the main point, then of course, i mean if you cut parts of the story when it plays a major role
>>730896869a lot of other FFs have better stories than FF6 so idk why your trying to push 6 as this narrative masterpiece
>>730899725all of them, chronigger is the worst game of all time
>>730900573>>730900592It is incontrovertible that Matthew Arnold would play and appreciate FF6.
>>730900834No they don't. Your brain is rotted by genre fiction.
>>730900657xenogears is kino
>>730901118>genre fictionBACK TO LIT
>>730884241This but unironically. Terranigma has less "substance" then Chrono Trigger, but the journey feels so much better. And sadder.
>OP gives a choice between 2 games>thread is filled with retarded faggots saying "Oh, erm, what about THIS OBSCURE GAME?? Ohhh, didn't think of that one, did you??? haha, I am an intuecual lol lmao."Anyway the clear choice is Chrono Trigger, despite FF6 being the best FF game in the franchise.
>>730883027The objectively correct answer is Chrono Trigger.
>>730901316It's not a real choice because both games had NTSC releases, so both are available.
Love both but definitely had more fun with Chrono so that. It has my favorite main themes in any RPG too so there is that as well.
>>730896869This scene made me cry. If that makes me an emotional faggot so be it.
>>730901415>you can only chose one>errrm actually both had NTSC releases, so both are availableMeds or reading comprehension?
>>730900657>it's a very different thing to pull off a game narrative of literary merit.A few exceptions exist: Suikoden 2, Valkyrie Profile, Xenogears or Persona 2
>>730883027Seiken Densetsu 3 for Action RPGFire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem for Strategy RPGRomancing SaGa 2 for Turn-based RPGShin Megami Tensei 1 for Dungeon CrawlerIf we're going beyond RPGs I'd pickPocky and Rocky for top down run-n-gunSunset Riders for sidescrolling run-n-gunWild Guns for Cabal-likesSuper Aleste for shoot-em-upTo answer your question, I'd have to pick Chrono Trigger. If there is one JRPG that would serve as introductory material for those who want to get into the genre, it's that game. Though you should be playing better JRPGs than either CT or FF6.
>>730901352ff6 is better in every way
>>730901118the nobel committee is full of pretentious snobs sniffing their own farts, and so is anyone who uses "genre fiction" like it’s an insult. Tolkien is more relevant than any generic novel about four depressed people.
>>730901664oh you're poor (brown) and can't afford bothi see
>>730889696>XIIfags were indians all alongIt all makes sense now.
>>730883027Both of these games I've tried playing multiple times and I can't get past the first couple scenes. I just feel this aggressive apathy.
>>730901316>Any of the games mentioned itt>Obscure
>>730902337To be fair, some pics posted here are JP exclusives. It may not be obscure in Japan but it is for US.
>>730902216Oh, you're actually retarded and don't understand hypotheticalsI see.Does your handler know you're on their computer?
>>730902473Not denying the allegations? I see...
>>730901682Culture will prevail over anarchy.>>730901993In 2026 read six works of literary merit. If you are coming from genre fiction then start with Salammbo by Gustave Flaubert, the greatest fantasy/alt-history novel ever written.
>>730902615Neither are you, I notice.And I do own both, actually.
