What was the appeal?
>>730911627They look cool and get shit done. All the evil shit they do is also part of the fun for a lot of people.
Hegelian Dialectics
>>730911627Most realistic faction, not taking the show into account.
cute femboy wives
>>730911627Romans are cool, and they open the game by crucifying a town full of the criminals turned raiders, and being pretty reasonable.
>>730911627I found it hard to really click with the Legion. I think if they had more of a Coalition thing with the different tribal subcultures being shared and intermingled, as opposed to everything being dissolved into the Legion, I would have found it much more attractive if I was roleplaying a Tribal. From a purely greedy and evil playthrough, the Legion is too rigid in regards to it's laws and expectations compared to House. New Vegas under House naturally presents far better avenues of luxury and entertainment then a Legion occupied Vegas would. It's perspective on women is supposed to be misogynistic in a "practical" sense but it's applied in a mostly cruel and wasteful manner. Actually that explains my problem with the Legion in general. It talks as if what it does is for the sake of practicality, but the spirit of the faction is mostly self righteous and spiteful.
RVMANSCVUCKAGIANIANS
Culture war now, might makes right, traditional roman aesthetic. The legion is very warhawkish and the next level of anti-establishment since Caesar condemns the entirety of the pre-war system. A big draw is also the patriarchal nature of its society.If you were to draw a venn diagram of legion beliefs and chud beliefs they would overlap a lot. Not entirely though, since the legion doesn't really care much for ethnicity, leading to many legion fags mistakenly thinking that because they're outwardly homophobic and sexist that they must also be racist. To some, the legion not being racist is a plot hole
>>730911627Basically the only faction willing to deal with raiders and other criminals properly. How anyone can cry over the sacking of Nipton given what you learn about it later is beyond me.
>>730911627I always thought they were very good antagonists because they were both radical and effectively deadly so they were scary and felt like a genuine threat, akin to isis at their peak or whateverAny recent culture war misreading of them as being dumb or incompetent I think misreads and ruins their function in the game and story
>>730911627>>730912589
>>730911627>"Caesar's" Legion>Uses Pompey's standardBut what can you expect from a retarded guinea larper
>>730912863If anything they were too competent. Literally nothing ever goes wrong for them without player intervention. They never even have to deal with random bad luck. Meanwhile if something can go wrong for the NCR it does. After a while it starts to feel less like the natural consequences of how the two nations govern, and more like the writer artificially propping one up while kicking the other down.
>>730913721I'm not sure I had that reaction since everything writers do is artificial - the point just seemed like a situation akin to ISIS, Mongols, Nazis, etc, at their peak where they could genuinely win and most of everything is going their way, largely also because of the incompetence of the 'good guys' to get their act together. It's the extent to which the NCR is kicked down and overreaching that makes the story interesting and the stakes feel high, and it feels empowering for the player to come in and make serious decisions (and to knock the Legion down a few pegs) And I guess I felt the Legion weren't absolutely perfect since they were beaten back a few times by the NCR, though at high cost of course.
>>730911627
>>730911627three pillars of facism. charismatic leader, aesthetically pleasing, and gay buttsex.
>>730914350Placing them as a better Khan than the Great Khans is funny. If they had better foundations a civilization built for a reset would be really great
>>730911627>Had a friend who was a huge legionfag growing up>Ended up doing hard time for domestic abuseKind of insane to think about
>>730914692It's interesting that instead of using and turning the Khans into the equivalent of the Legion for fnv they instead made the Khans a kind of 'honorable' primitive warrior tribe. I suppose they just wanted to use the whole Roman aesthetic and then decided to morally contrast them with the Legion
>>730915376the joke is that the khans aren't honorable at all
>>730911627fascism, killing people, being gay
>>730911627sex with men
>>730911627playing as the bad guys is fun
>>730912091>They look coolI mean they wear football gear and skirts. Only Lanius really looks cool with his custom set.Meanwhile the only reason to join the NCR is the gear, the ranger set and its derivatives possibly being the coolest looking set in the franchise with some of the best weapons.Only homosexuals join the Legion, anyone with a modicum of reason picks House or Wild Card.
>>730911627They give you a fuckton of coins, ammunition and stealth boys for just a few NCR dogtags.
>>730912091Without the courier they lose in every scenario. There is like 3 dudes in the Legion capable of doing anything.
>>730911627Incels living out their vengeful rape and violence fantasies without having to face consequences a healthy society would beat them with.
>>730912252>>730916052Femboy Legionnaires is an NCRfag psyop
>>730917736Why would the NCR push propaganda that would only draw more men into joining The Legion?
>>730917698>Without the courier they loseThey win in every scenario>NCR is gimped and can't do shit without the courier's intervention>House is cucked out of the Platinum chip>Benny (Yes Man) gets caught and executedThe only thing that is guaranteed to happen is Caesar dying, and if that's your "lose" condition for them yeah sure, but every other faction also loses.
>>730918359And upon Caesar's death, the Legion would quickly collapse.They would not be able to make it to California and they would not be able to hold Vegas.
>>730918570>And upon Caesar's death, the Legion would quickly collapse.That's what's claimed in game, but given how Lanius mounts an attack on the dam, "Quickly" is relative. If you want to argue that Lanius would be unsuccessful, you'd need to say why, given that the only situations he's present are the ones where the courier foils his attack.>They would not be able to make it to California Arguable but probably true.>and they would not be able to hold Vegas.I disagree. The only thing that implies that is the courier's speech/barter checks with lanius, and even then he's arguing that the Legion cannot hold both the east (Arizona et al) and the west (Cali et al). Vegas would be simple to hold, given it's already close proximity to the Legion's current supply routes to the Fort.
how do people even like the legion? they're even more unfinished than malachor v was.
>>730911627It’s a fun ROLE to play in a ROLEPLAYING GAME. That’s the answer. If you refuse to ever play a faction in an rpg because they conflict with your irl politics, you’re an npc with 0 imagination. Exhibit A: >>730917706
>>730918263Please kys
>>730917176Yeah but looting the killsquads brings in money.
>>730911627Gay sex.
>>730912091>Get shit donekek
>>730918875Id say no courier 50/50 odds they hold vegas, but without caesar as a guiding cultural icon, they quickly become just a pack of disciplined but savage raiders, never advancing to the "Rome" Caesar envisioned. Decent odds they destroy the dam and vegas, destroying the civilization that caesar hoped theyd learn from same way the white legs destroyed new canaan.
>>730911627>the appealTheir territory is stable and safe which was not shown in game due to Obsidian's classic problem of poor time management
>>730911627all you can rape buffet
>>730919340>Id say no courier 50/50 odds they hold vegasWay too low considering how gimped the other factions are. I'd give it 90% or higher.> but without caesar as a guiding cultural icon, they quickly become just a pack of disciplined but savage raiders, never advancing to the "Rome" Caesar envisionedI agree.>Decent odds they destroy the dam and vegas, destroying the civilization that caesar hoped theyd learn from same way the white legs destroyed new canaan.The civilization he hoped to achieve a synthesis with was the NCR, not Vegas. Vegas was to be the Jewel of the united east and west, more comparable to Constantinople more than Rome.They also have no reason to destroy the dam, that's silly, but I do believe a Lanius Legion would heavily damage Vegas.
>>730916052conceptually I think they look cool in a Mad Max sort of way, though something about the way their armor is modeled in game makes them look goofy as hell
>>730918359>guaranteed to happen is Caesar dyingThat's not a guarantee either, you seriously think Caesar can't enslave a follower after he takes Vegas and get his tumor removed?
>>730920174Except he doesn't because doing Independent, House, or NCR playthroughs Caesar lives all the way through the conclusion of the battle.
>>730911627benis :DDD
>>730920341Nope, you retarded faggot. General Oliver tells you after you kill Lanius that the NCR has (presumably) captured and executed Caesar.
>>730911627they pay me in gold instead of bottle caps or the imaginary currency of a dying republic
>>730911627Me personally? Having women I could rape and keep as sex slaves.
>>730912589I found the journal in the gas station before even getting there so I didn't feel bad for themHad a cordial conversation with Vulpes about the Legion and Lanius courtesy of the outside bets cut content restoration mod
>>730911627>appealNone whatsoever. At least the Enclave had cool-looking power armor and at least a small chance of bringing their retarded plans to fruition. These fags, on the other hand, are basically a bunch of edgy teenagers in skirts larping as some kind of caricature of the Roman empire.
>>730919545>90% control and hold vegas>after fighting the ncr, has to fight his way through houses securitrons(even without mk2 theyre still a force), the BoS, the boomers, with his only allies the khans and the omertas
>>730920749https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn3UDyLf9-A
Getting behind a movement based on how it hurts others instead of what it actually does for yourself is the most cucked mindset in the world
I know it smell crazy in there
>>730921242>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T GET REVENGE ON ME SINCE IT HAS CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUCringe mentality.
>>730920749
>>730911627Caesar is the correct choice.>NCRUnstable, decadent republic. Unable to protect its citizens, unable to effect change when it is needed. And as of 2281 it has been completely taken over by capitalists and other subversive elements.>HouseA decadent capitalist, no real ambitions outside of Vegas, no real plan for the people outside of the Strip. Most likely lying about everything he promises too. A dead end.>IndependentAnarchism denies authority without understanding that authority is the very condition of spiritual life in society. Anarchism presupposes an individual already complete in himself; but such an individual is a fiction, for the individual exists only in and through the ethical life of the State.>LegionBrutal, but effective. Harsh, but stable. Violent, but orderly. It adopts characteristics of the wasteland, but does not allow the wasteland to fully consume it. The Legion is just that, a Legion, it's an army. It is not a society. Caesar sees himself as the new Julius Caesar. His goal is not to destroy the NCR, but to save it, save it from itself. He believes that the only way the NCR can survive is if it transforms into an empire. The methods of the Legion are necessary in the years before the annexation of California, as all resistance must be swiftly put down and every soldier disciplined and raised to the level of excellence needed to conquer the NCR. This New Californian Empire that Caesar seeks to create will be stable, orderly, efficient, clean, safe, and powerful. All of these characteristics are needed to survive the wasteland.
>>730921545You don't actually believe any of this. You just saw someone getting crucified and was turned on by the cruelty
>>730921624>You just saw someone getting crucified and was turned on by the crueltyIf I was the Courier and I was just after wanton sex, murder, and destruction, I would go Independent and make sure to fully destroy everything. No, I support the Legion because I want to live in a powerful Empire that has a real, living nation. A spiritual nation. With an Emperor capable of actualizing the will of the nation.
>>730921545>>730921714The smells of ChatGPT
>>730921769I didn't use ChatGPT at all you dumb nigger. Run it through a detector.
>>730921545Well said, amicus.
>>730921242maybe not cucked by very wasteful and stupidit's a childish mindset of living in the past and trying to right old wrongs instead of moving forward and improving
>legion territory is so safe caravans can go through without worry of raiders because they're all dead. I mean from the mindset of the wasteland being unforgiving and brutal i get why caesar was ruthless in dealing with any and all crime and in some ways would make more sense if there wasnt a city like vegas or more civilized towns in the ncr
>>730922065Rehabilitation is a massive fucking waste of time. The average raider is incredibly dysgenic and the world would be better off if they were removed from the gene pool.
>>730921848Detectors do nothing. I've copied paragraphs from ChatGPT and it says 0% AI. They're rigged to protect AI.
>>730916052sex with legion femboys
>>730911627Because the stupids are drawn to cruelty because it's the only way they experience strength being exercised in their own lives.
>>730921545>Brutal, but effectiveEffective at what exactly? The only things these prancing homos actually accomplish in the game are crucifying random bystanders and getting shit pushed in by an angry mailman.
>>730922657>All raiders have been executed>All free communities are safe to go about their own affairs>NCR has been cucked at every step>Average legionary is as strong as an NCR Ranger>Frumentarii have infiltrated deep into the NCR military>Economy is strongThat's effective.
it's the fastest way to get through the credits so you can stop playing this shitty game
>>730911627I like evil racist faction but I never got Legion's appeal, they all look like larpers and the grunts all talk like cartoonishly evil minions, even Caesar looks like a regular dude that's doing a cosplay in a garden tent.Only redeeming part is Lanius because he is the only one that's actually committed to the bit.
The fact that legion money nets you more caps on average than ncr money shows whos economy is better.
>>730922915>have to waste metals on minting coins because there’s no trust
>>730911627The appeal is forced cuckoldry. The legion enforces interethnic marriage to destroy any unique ethnic group or race to create a brown slurry of savages that exist to serve the chosen people.
>>730921545>House>A decadent capitalist, no real ambitions outside of Vegas, no real plan for the people outside of the Strip. What's wrong with that?>Independent>Anarchism denies authority without understanding that authority is the very condition of spiritual life in society.Who says Wild Card would be Anarchy? I'm the boss now, nigger. Vegas is my territory and i've got big plans.
>>730923454The courier wont be staying to do shit that's the point they never stay anywhere for long
>>730911627tons of stealth boys
>>730923498Who you think you're talking to? I AM the Courier and I'm stickin around.
>>730923454>Who says Wild Card would be Anarchy?You didn't play the game. Sucks to suck. Consider suicide.
>>730911627It let's me play as the most funny character in the game: A female Legion Courier.
>>730921545So TRVE>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbykPtlz3gk
>>730923136ah yes just what the post-apocalypse needsa national treasury
>>730912252>>730914437>>730916052A more accurate recreation of Romans would have had high ranking members of society with femboys. The Roman idea of man vs woman was very different from ours. It wasn't gay to marry a femboy, Nero did it because one looked like a wife he killed and felt guilty about. Basically US prison rules.Basically The Legion should have been gayer, but /v/ would definitely cry about it.
>>730911627I think the appeal was supposed to be abandoning modern values that caused the downfall of society and civilization in the fallout universe: women’s rights, political parties, technology etc. but it was not written very in new vegas. all you see is the bad and retarded side of them and none of the good things that a very nationalistic society brings
>>730925786You are forgetting that faggotry is punished by death in the Legion and one of the founders was a mormon. The Legion aren't romans. They are mongols
>>730911627"they have a point"
>>730926176this but unironically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr--wmuKi0g&t=21s
faggots are trying really hard, these falseflags are not organic
>>730922167Meanwhile I got a 0 on an assignment and kicked out of a class because my original, hand-written essay was a false positive for AI. Fuck the boomer professor and fuck the boomer college deans for siding with him.AI detectors only exist to fuck people over.
The issue of the Legion is that nobody ever talks how forming a society based on being lower technology isn't a massive weakness in the long run.How would they fare against a faction that can field power armor in large numbers, or vertibirds? The issue with refusing technological progress is that it's a losing game if everyone else doesn't agree with you
>>730921545TRVKE
>>730927352there are nonethe ncr and chosen one saw to that
What in goddamn?
>>730927439At the time of the games' events yes, and even then located specifically on the west coast, we have no idea what's going on anywhere else, especially outside the US.I mean hell even the Vegas DLCs show that there are lots of places still with insane pre war tech and weapons.And EVEN IF all other advanced societies are wiped out and the Legion creates a massive empire, eventually someone with invent something like a Vertibird or missiles.
>>730913114Lol
>>730912554>traditional roman aestheticYou watch too much spartacus
>>730926847>everyone who believes something I don't is a jew shill psyop pretending get a job
>>730911627>What was the appeal?I want caesar to be my tough as nails daddy and tell me what to do with my life. Or something idk what goes in a fascist's mind.
>>730911627It was a post-apocalyptic world and in reality things wouldn't be as nice as the NCR is portrayedThe Legion is more like the Timurids than the Romans thoughCaesar would be better called Tamerlanealso its a game, you can't play as the ruthless Imperialist for fun? are you that much of a troon you think you will be forfeiting your troonish beliefs?
>>730927581>NV DLCsThose Van Buren fanfics?Yeah sure, let's say there's also an unironic Terminator reference robot army lead by an robobrain AI called the Calculator too.
>>730922283that's a real female though
>>730918263"""men"""
>>730925786>still spreading the misinformation of decadent shithole pompeii all these years later
>>730928635>fascists But enough about NCR frognigger
>>730927352The Legion doesn't refuse tech, they refuse to become weak from dependence on it.
>>730913114
What could have happened.All the negatives about the NCR being a bureaucratic mess that's overextended itself potentially irreversibly is true and the appeal of the legion comes from it being something new and untested, a potential fresh start.Caesar himself says that the current hyper militarism that Nevada is seeing from the Legion army isn't what he wants it to stay, he wants to establish a new Rome from new vegas and settle down and build a real civilization instead of a warband in his name, with him being it's eternal god-founder of course, dude has a YUGE ego.It's the potential "What if he's right? What if it IS the future?" that should draw people.or maybe you're into sex slaves and crucifixions each to their own.
>>730923565Putting it in the hands of your OC self insert is what makes Yes Man an unserious option, it's the playground-level tactic of "nuh uh I have an unblockable barrier and insta-kill ray gun."More power to you if your Gary Stu 1.) wrangles retards completely without fail and 2.) somehow finds it fulfilling, but you might as well say the aliens come back to earth and subjugate the Mojave for all the weight that opinion holds.
>>730930680>the appeal of the legion comes from it being something new and untestedAncient Rome?
>>730930680If he was anything close to right he wouldn't have the 2nd most bloodthirsty tower of meat behind Frank Horrigan as his legate.
>>730930989The legion isn't ancient rome. It's rome larpers. It's not the same and it would not have the same values.
slavery is bad
>>730931327t.slavefodder
>>730930989Caesar said himself that Rome is just an aesthestic to wow tribals. There's no functional difference if he called himself Napoleon and make Lanius wear giant hat
>>730931227Rome conquered many people and had a very extensive slave caste during the Republic. Women had some rights but very little especially compared to now, usually just inheriting property but no direct stake in politics. They could only influence it through their husbands. So some times are roman, others aren't or not quite.Its more like Julius Caesar and his legions specifically since there is no Senate That's the only thing missingThe Senate was there to keep the Dictators in check until of course Julius and then Augustus overthrew the Senate completelyAdvanced civilization is started by groups like the Legion
>>730928635>I want caesar to be my tough as nails daddy and tell me what to do with my lifeConsider God
>>730929287The headcanon route doesn't work when the base game has a 200+ year old mummy with a bunker full of death robots that can decimate the Legion.
>>730931193He might be bloodthirsty but he's not utterly retarded save for thinking lowly of the Frumentariis and their sabotage plans.
>>730932160I did, I chose the God of Mars who chose his son, Caesar.
>>730932334Sorry buddy, it was a god of Uranus all along
>>730911627I wish the writers weren't cowards and actually tried to make fascism appealing. The Legion is objectively a bad choice.>Caesar failed to achieve the mentality of his followers to live for the idea of Rome, instead the Legion is a cult of personality that revolves around him. If he dies, the Legion will "die:>Caesar has terminal brain cancer...I wish they actually made me consider fascism as a good choice for the wasteland. If I was on the writing team the things I would change is:Remove the way legion treats women since this comes straight out of a Feminist wet fan fiction. I would keep the part where they cant be in positions of power but I would make them as they were in history, a protected class rather then the second class citizens as much as Feminist idiots try to push this narative.Second I would show the safety Legion produces. I would show Legion using cement and building roads. I would show atleast one Legion town and it would be cool to show it as Rome was, with cement roads and marble buildings. Just to show the efficiency of the fascist dictatorship where the player genuinely would have to stop and consider IF Legion is a good choice. That despite their brutality, they do make a safer wasteland. As it is now, only edgelords and people on their second playthrough choose Legion.
>>730932219Alright fair, Securitrons are retardedly advanced too since you got stuff like Victor, Yes Man, or House's waifubots going around with AI that are just as smart as Skynet or ZAX from 2 and 1.And it's a feature on every single Securitron seeing as they can upload themselves into each other instead of being an AI streamed from a server.
>>730932474The counter to showing all this stuff is that the legion is a expeditionary force.They don't have much of their civilization, what little there is, to show since vegas isn't their turf.It's why NCR has farms and the legion has probing attacks.
>>730932593If the Legion had fuck all, Merchants wouldn't bother traversing their lands.
>>730932642Legion land is behind the frontline, outside of vegas.
>>730932593I get that, but not showing us what Legion creates, even a small amount, will make most people not even consider them as a choice, There should've been a DLC or something where we go east and see what they create
>>730932492I mean goddamn, even fucking eyebots like ED-E has a full blown AI, blame Lonesome Road for that.Base game ED-E isn't as offensive with being le sentient pet robot thing.
>>730911627Caesar's Legion is pragmatic on the surface level. You have a lawless, broken world full of people who've regressed socially to a point where their superstitions and basest desires command everything they do, excluding a few enclaves miming the trappings of the civilized world that came before.But they're massively outnumbered. Even the English language is lost to most of these new Tribals. How better to put them back on the path to civilization and potentially avoid the folly that ruined the world in the first place, than to recapitulate the second to last empire that dominated the world, that did so under similar circumstances?Edward Sallow was a reasonably well educated NCR citizen who turned to violence, propaganda and authoritarianism as his solution to the combined threats of Raiders, Fiends and Tribals that the NCR were bashing their collective heads against. If you wish to be charitable about his intent, we can assume his ultimate goal was for a Roman-Style Republic to reemerge after all of America was under the Legion. If you don't want to be charitable, Sallow didn't know nearly as much as he thought he did, he pulls misapplied and misunderstood collectivist jargon out of his ass whenever an intelligent outsider calls his bluff. He formed a rag-tag band of thugs, scrapped together the appearance of a coherent philosophy, created a pretense for legitimacy that put midwits behind the 8-ball, and got to propagandizing people whose cultural memory and institutional knowledge had been lost to time. All just to strongarm the remains of civilization. Maybe just to satisfy his own desire to sit atop it all. Maybe because he was actually convinced it was the proper way to reclaim civilization and prevent its old mistakes from being repeated.We can't really know for sure.And that's what makes Caesar's Legion so compelling to discuss, even after 15 years.
>>730911627Amerifats simply love LARPing as nazis and Romans.
>>730913114Tylko jedno w głowie mam
>>730911627stability
>>730933008>Maybe just to satisfy his own desire to sit atop it all. Maybe because he was actually convinced it was the proper way to reclaim civilization and prevent its old mistakes from being repeated.I never got the feeling that he didn't genuinely believe what he said.
>>730933381Ulysses and Joshua Graham both throw a little bit of doubt onto Caesar's motives. But both of them have cause to be personally disillusioned or hold a grudge, so their statements can't be taken as unquestioned fact. It also doesn't help that Caesar started selecting his top brass from the integrated Tribals who didn't know that the whole Son of Mars thing was a lie to play on the superstitious disposition of the constituent groups under the Legion. It reads very much like he was never intending to use superstition as a stepping stone to pacify and motivate people who understood nothing else. My understanding is that at one point Ulysses and Joshua both thought Edward Sallow believed what he said, agreed with it as presented, then realized he was just lying about his intentions the whole time.Ulysses checked out of the whole thing. Joshua believed the power went to Caesar's head, and ended up paying the price for trying to set him straight.
>>730931327you only think that because the condition we live in now isn't called slaveryslaves had better living conditions than the average citizen today
>>730934205>clean water>no getting daily beatings
roma
>>730932756I think a east legion DLC would be funny because it'd probably be the same problem Honest Hearts has>help the NCR/rebel splinter cell>kill everyone and leave earlyI dunno what other kind of conflict you could create if it really is as safe as they say
>>730934369Clean water's more of a tech problem. It's not like they pissed in it before giving it to the slaves.The idea of slave abuse is a propaganda piece, made by people who don't realize battering your tools into obsolescence is inherently stupid, not to mention a budding security issue. Besides, we're regressing to a daily beatings kind of society anyway, didn't need slaves for that.
>>730934205No they didn't. Whether you're talking about old-world systems of slavery as practiced by the Greeks, Romans and Persians, or about racialized chattel slavery, the conditions were horrible on the whole.Sure, in both cases, you would occasionally have slave owners who recognized the humanity in their slaves or put them to less grueling tasks because they showed some aptitude. But that wasn't the norm at all. Most of the time, being a slave meant mandatory intense labor. Agricultural work, Chopping firewood. Mining and Quarrying. For more hours per day than any free person would ever be willing to work. Generally, that meant those slaves would live in rough, uninsulated shacks with few to no windows, packed in like sardines. The Ottomans would capture slaves from Europe and Africa and practically seal them up into the hulls of their ships to man the oars, then be left for dead if the ships were scuttled. The idea that a significant number of slaves were more like personal servants and housekeepers at any point in history is revisionism pushed by Lost Cause Confederate sympathizers to exonerate their parents, then grandparents. Then simply done out of inertia or for a sense of cultural dignity by people with no recollection of those times or to portray the civil rights movement as one of fundamental ingratitude.
>>730934420Politicking and abuse of power maybe. You could have the courier coerced or hired by a Legate to maneuver around his rival or shifty underlings.
>>730931327There's absolutely zero shot that slavery would be thought of as some unique ultrarape immoral evil worse than anything else if the last historical instance of it wasn't committed against America's sacred fauna: The Black Man.
>>730911627The Mojave is a fucking shithole: the Legion is exactly what they deserve (also the possibility of having a bunch of cute slave grills).
>>730917698Without courier intervention, the Legion wins the dam 100%. They have several spies in deep cover in both the NCR and Vegas, and they NCR is routinely shown to be an absolute shitshow marred by corruption and bureaucracy. The long term success of Ceasar's plan is another thing entirely, but they're winning hoover dam two.
>>730930095females aren't allowed to fight in the legion, pay attention
>>730934125Not that anon but itt's not so much that he wants to purge superstition ASAP, as it seems like he realized he fucked up and was taking things way too slowly. He can't progress to an intelligent civilization if the Legion is only a nomadic army, and he can't center the Legion on a city if he doesn't take Vegas. His motivations look pretty legitimate there given how he treats Vegas in the ending where he survives compared to Lanius.And then obviously he has his deteriorating health, so he's rushing things out of the realization he wasted way too much time fucking around feeling powerful with tribes and he might die soon.
The whole morality and politics shit is lame, the best way to play New Vegas is being a mercenary who's just doing his job. It fits all factions. Legion because they pay in gold, House because he's the richest and you were already working for him, NCR because stability and the corrupt bureaucracy is easier to exploit
>>730937194I do this. Still a House ending tho because he at least gives you infinite luxury according to the slides.>the NCR gives you a fucking stick>the legion just puts your face on a coin which is kinda cool but not that good in comparison
>>730936461He doesn't want to purge the superstition of the tribes at all, assuming he was lying all along. And once he knew he was dying, he compromised on his principles and scrounged up a broken Autodoc in the hopes that they'd be able to kidnap someone who could fix it for him. He thought he could live his life out as king of a new America. Like a new Alexander, then go down in history as a Great Man in the same way. Maybe even that someday he and Julius Caesar would be considered one and the same. He wanted to take Hoover Dam and Vegas, for the Legion to be seen by his former peers in the NCR as more than a collection of upstart Tribals and Raiders obsessed with a flawed understanding of the old world, like The Kings or the people of Zion, or all the factions on the East Coast. To become a geopolitical force based on a real philosophy rather than a flavorful bunch of retards boggling at shadows on the cave wall like all the other fools of the wasteland.
>>730911627On paper, the Legion is harsh but efficient. Their territory is safe and well-controlled, even if that stability had to be built on a mountain of corpses first.In practice, the Legion as we actually see them in-game is a half-baked faction with shittons of scrapped/cut content, so the execution falls flat. There's no Legion settlements, no Legion aligned or even adjacent companions (the closest you get is Raul), and barely any quests. So what you're left with is just a bunch of NPCs tending to be total dicks. and a majority of endings on a Legion playthrough being shitty outcomes for everyone involved.
>>730937194I wish there was more Legion content solely for this experience. Getting paid by the Legion to take a town, turning around, then getting paid by the NCR to retake it.
I like that they remind me of the Late Bronze Age collapse. It's by far the most realistic faction. Raiders are too iM cUrRaAyZEeEE and evil! While the Legion has historical precedents.
>>730911627I never found them appealing in the first place
>>730912443>self righteous and spitefulyea what on earth could chuds see in legion that they identify with.
>>730911627The Legion is the antithesis to the NCR in every conceivable facet: a brutal, totalitarian autocracy composed of tribals where collective adherence to the state is the most important priority. When you see how corrupt the NCR is and how their idealistic individualism has led to their entire society being dominated by a handful of corporate monopolies and brahmin barons to the detriment of their citizenry, then the Legion’s brutality, totality, and hyper collective approach to nation building begins to make sense.
>>730911627i remember when the game came out there was a segment of playerbase behaving like killing legionnaires in game counts as punching nazis IRL. And then another segment started to um ACHUALLY the legion to own the libs.Dont get me wrong, its kinda the all time low of white knighting to think stacy is gonna put out when you debate fictional character on hegel, but rightoids were the ones who did the cringe woke thing of claiming the bad guy was good all along.
>>730911627It's the wasteland.There's raiders that will kill you for fun. Radscorpions that kill you for fun. Feral ghouls that will kill you for fun. Radiation that will kill you for fun. Corrupt factions that will kill you for fun. The wasteland is not a forgiving place, and for almost 200 years, much of it was not organized at all. The legion comes along, and cuts themselves a huge swath of land with their discipline and raw power. The result? Some of the safest areas in the entire country.Are they cruel? Yes, but only through our modern lens. When you put yourself in the mind of someone living in that world, the legion is appealing. Well, unless you're a degenerate, in which case you should probably die.
>>730921509I hold the Frontier's failure over my friend's head and he hates it.
>>730930689Yes Man literally handles everything for you, and even then he's almost 100% piggybacking off of what House would have done.
>>730918359>>730936112Lol none of this matters. The vet rangers alone create mountains of dead faggot Legionnares. Once again, the only reason anything happens in the Mojave is because Vulpes is a great terrorist. Caesar just sits in his tent all day dying of his brain tumor hoping his inbred giant comes and saves him.
>>730922893Probably appeals more to renfair types
