great news everyone! because data centers are hoarding the RAM everyone actually wants DDR3 is back! yaaaay!!!
Reminder that no game on the last 15 years actually took advantage of DDR4 and DDR5.
windows 11 doesn't support ddr3
>>730914026Video game graphics advancement is going to stall. No or few improvements. Nintendo will be on top
>>730914080Cuck mindset
>>730914135Oh shit, all the video game graphic adva- Wait a minute...
>DDR3Why not use Windows 95 and floppy disks too?
>/v/ voted for the end of their hobbytop kekeroo
>>730914123Cool thanks I'll take 32GB
>>730914135It already stalled, everyone just live in an illusion because requirement didn't stall
>>730914296Goddamn right I did KEEP IT COMING MISTER PRESIDENT
>>730914296yeah but it made libs upset so it's based
>>730914080its the other way around, performance is more and more linked to ram speed and latency. you can get plus or minus 20+ frames on any given game due to memory alone
>>730914296People on /v/ don't play video games, retard
>>730914135do you honestly believe that 4k and frame gen are actual advancements?
>>730914080t. literal retard
>>730914248Would be pretty cool.Games were best when they had to fit on a 600MB CD and you saved your games on 1.44MB disks.
>>730914296Thank God. Fuck video games. I hate them.
What was the last high performance DDR3 cpu, the 4790k? Supposedly the 6700k supports DDR3 but i've never seen anyone actually do that.
>>730914123Retard.
>>730914452This but unironically
>>730914135anon, graphical fidelity plateaued a decade ago and it has just been stupid gimmick shit ever since then
>>730914123Yes it does.>t. 32GB DDR3>>730914490Wouldn't notice since all my games are a solid 60.>Nooooo you need 1440p/240hzLol no.
>>730914897>Wouldn't notice since all my games are a solid 60.hello 2009
>>730914743Realistically you won't be getting a desktop cpu in the current year. You'd be better off getting a decommissioned xeon from aliexpress or whatever. Something like a 2666v3 for gaming and 2686v4 or 2696v4 for work.
>>730914452worth it lol
>in the span of few months we went from my $1000 PC is barely worse than a ps5 to my PC is better than a PS3KEKAROOOOOOOOOOO
>>730915210>2696v4>2.2ghzlol
>>730914080Damn, you have brain damage. Good luck with that.
>>730914123Even better.
Just make more ram
>>7309140261333 is all you need
>>730915487i lost the recipe
ddr3 is so retro and lowkey 6 7
>>730915329*2.4ghz base clock, boosting up to 3.7ghz. And it has 22 cores. What are you lolling at?
>Have an old 2010 puter with 24gb ddr3 ram>Replaced 2gb card with a 2080ti 11gb. >Running Death Stranding @ 1080p on ultra>60fpsthis is good enough for me, you guys are insane for spending so much for marginal improvements.
>>730915665Retard
>>730914296thankfully, the AAA industry have decided that they will not be releasing any worthwhile games anymore so I can just live on indie games and old games for the foreseeable future
>>7309155893.7ghz on a good day and certainly not in a lot of modern games which will put enough load across 8-12 threads that the boost 2.0 will sustain that. Combine that with it being the boring broadwell a 4970k or 6700k would likely run rings around it - especially as the 4790k and 6700k can be overclocked. Unless you get a dude the desktop parts will do 4.5ghz nicely with some good samples heading towards 5ghz.
>>7309154873 companies control 90% of the global RAM supply and right now they have zero incentive to ramp up production and bring the price downthat would hurt their profits
>>730915839>they have zero incentive to ramp up production and bring the price downThat's why Micron's building a plant in New York, because they don't want to satisfy the insane demand from their customers. You moron
>>730915487every future ram is already pre ordered by some AIslop data center
>>730916012oh yea, micronthe company that withdrew from the consumer market entirely and now only sells to ai slop datacentersgreat example you got there anon
>>730916353They didn't withdraw, they just stopped supplying directly. Unless of course you want to also claim samsung withdrew from making ram for mere mortals because they don't sell their own branded dimms.
>>730914026This is a load of crap. Nobody wants that shit.
I don't think 4th gen CPU support TPM 2.0
>>730914135Graphics themselves haven't really improved last decade or more to be fair.The major advancements in the last decade have mainly been about MORE graphics as in, farther draw distance, more individually moving stuff on screen, more detailed faces, and of course global illumination/pathtracing.Everyone here should buy and try Escape Simulator 2. Runs on my 10XX toaster and the environment look like a million bucks. Like it looks so good that I don't need any game to look better, and it already runs on old hardware
>>730915881>gamesI literally said 2696v4 is for work you stupid nigger.>4970k or 6700kWith only 4 cores they would implode trying to run both windows 10/11 and a video game at the same time. They would also cost much more than a 10 core 2666v3 (which can be locked at 3.5ghz). And since they're unlocked it's safe to assume they've been overclocked by their previous owners, so reliability is also a concern.>>730916635tpm is optional on iot ltsc
>>730916963>I literally said 2696v4 is for work you stupid nigger.1) no you didn't and 2) vidya board for vidya games, If you want to run 7zip decompression all day /g/ is 3 doors down.
Oh, my Lord, I've never been so relevant before in my life. Thank you, Jesus, for blessing me.
>>730914296No no, you misunderstand. I voted to make sure that consolecucks can't ever come to my hobby.
>>730914296I'm not an Amerigolem thank you very much.
>>730915308I live a blessed life. Picked up 128GB of ram for $140 about 6 weeks before the price shot up, and got my 5090 when the price briefly dipped under $2200
>>730914296The literal EXACT same thing would've happened under Kamala dumb nigger
>>730915923LTT said it's cuz their factories are already running at max capacity and there's no way of ramping up production to meet the demands
I asked anons on /v/why I needed DDR5 RAM and they never gave me an answer
>>730918246>bargaining
>>730918246How the fuck you retards confidently type this?, i don't remember DDR4 Costing over 200$ on Biden covid era
I paid $90 for 64gb of DDR4 back in 2024.
>>730918409>this kills the RAMfags
>>730914026>rag journo sees dorks joke about going back to ddr3>"what a scoop!"
>>730918459ah yes because AI development was the same during biden covid era. how retarded are you?
>>730914026But DDR3 doesn't work in AM5 or AM4 boards with decent gaming CPUs 5700/5800X3D
>>730914026I have a drawer FILLED with DDR2 and DDR3 sticks. Should I sell them?
>>730918484sex
>>730914123Nobody with a brain uses Windows 11, not even my boomer dad and he has only half of it left.
>>730918348>no way of ramping up productionworth mentioning that ram manufacturers are holding off on building new facilities as they don't see demand staying high for long enough to make it worth it.
>>730918653Me too, all 1 and 2GB sticks.
>>730918054Still too expensive. That’s the real reason they’re jacking up the 5090 prices again and again and again. Whales like you buy them but they are few and far between so they’re sitting on a stock of 5090s that only people who are drowning in money are willing to buy. In that case better make it super expensive since normal people will not buy it at even the lowest price it was ever retailed. Also the gen is really not that good. The only + of the 5090 is 32gb of dram.
>>730914026Jesus Christ, might as well buy a PS5.
DDR5 is shit. I've heard people have trouble XMPing it for whatever reason.
>>730918737theyre worth nothing still, probably $10
>>730915879This.They could LITERALLY stop making new videogames right this instant and I would still have a colossal amount of good games to play and replay. As long as the whole "computing will become cloud only" meme doesn't actually become true then I'm good.
>>730914296GROMALD BLORMPF!!
>>730918909>he thinks PS5 wont go up in price toolmao
>>730914296when will miggers ever learn?
>>730914135Niggi its been downhill since Crysis 2 was dumbed down over Crysis 1.
>ddr3>not even ddr4Holy...
>>730918580you are getting baited
>>730918459During Biden era it was graphics cards being comically overpriced. As much as I dislike drumf's pro AI stance, you would be coping to think that the blue team wouldn't do the same for our AI overlords
>>730914135>Shitty Ai that fails to produce any money is eating all the powerful chips>BASEDtendo makes goysoles powered by cardboard boxes>pee cee and every other goysole can't access any powerful chip and have to return to previous gens>SEE! NOW WE ARE ALL THE SAME! >NINTENDO WON! NINTENDO IS ON TOPof the steaming pile of shit perhaps
>>730919524Seethe
>>730918054Why do you have 128GB of RAM but only a 7800? You should have got a 7950x3D and only 64GB or 96GB of RAM
>>730914135Only if Vidya regresses 20 years
>>730914026>tfw built my computer before AI Slop Centers started hoarding shitJacking off to porn with 64GB DDR5 rn
APPOLOGIZE.
>>730914296Yes.I'll happily pay 10k for a crappy PC, just to play crappy indie games, if it meant normies leave forever.
at this point AAA studios should already target the raspberry pi 4 for their next release.
>>730914026>AI slop made everything worse and instead of going forward we are going backwards>the only ones shilling and defending AI shit are Corporations/kikes, browns and coomers>some fags will rather see the World burn just to "own" the other side
>>730914135I would care if the games were mechanically good, but since we haven't got a good AAA game in 15+ years now... oh well, anyways.
>>730914080TRUVKEOnly dual channel matters
>>730914026Is there a link for these ebin tweets
No new consoles until at least 2032.
>>730920070instead, nvidia will pay them a ton of money to say that the best way to play Gun 'n Ball 37 is on GeForce Now Premium Plus for the low low price of 79.99 plus tip per month
>>730919951Could actually get the BEST gpu and cpu at the time for this, or would they rip you off and only let you get the mids?
>My old PC from 2011 is sitting in my garage with (4x8)32gb of DDR3Damn, guess its time to harvest it and start selling off its parts
>>730920324here's your ps6 bro
>threw my 2002 old PC to the trash last SummerNOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>730920324Good, I'm sick of every generation just being minor upgrades and only lasting what feel like a few months and ultimately having no games before we're expected to buy another console that will have 1 or 2 games.The generations should last long enough that I've got a library of must-play games comparable to the PS2's. If that's 2030 or 2040 I don't care, Its not new hardware I want, its games. The PS5 is fine, hell the PS4 was fine, I don't need raytracing or all the other shit they're trying to push on me, it doesn't actually make my games better, if anything games only get worse when you push all this technical shit. I want actual games, not movies, that I can play on my console.Is anyone actually demanding a PS6 at this point? We just got the PS5 for fucks sake.
>>730920641>he doesn't just stack all his old laptops on a shelf and put any loose parts in ESD bagsLmao.Anyways, I wish I still had my first laptop, that thing was built like a truck.
>>730914296b-b-b-but we stole oil and freed venzeler
>>730914026Why not DDR4?
>>730914296I'm not even right wing but how is this Trump's fault? How would Kamala do anything different? Soviet style regulations against AI? If anything, I just think it's a bubble that investors got too into it and they know they can risk it since they always get bail outs anyway.
>>730914026I never needed DDR4 and DDR5 anyway.
>>730914743You can use DDR3L with Skylake cpus (6000-9000)Regular DDR3 fries the memory controller over time
>>730921065>I'm not even right wing but how is this Trump's fault? He's the retard who is currently threatening the Fed chair to continuously lower rates at the detriment of the USD so AI datacenters can keep taking out massive low-interest loans to keep the grift going at the detriment of everyone else.>How would Kamala do anything different?she probably wouldn't, actually. She would threaten the Fed using less overt methods and get what she wants anyway. Both parties would be fighting tooth and nail to keep AI pumping in 2026 because otherwise it's the economic crash that loses them the election. It's just Trump doesn't care if he looks like the bad guy doing it.
ok gamers, enough is enough, it's time for us to collectively make the AI market crash
>>730921065Bubble talk is overblown. In the broadest sense of "number may go down a bit and the most rabid investors may eat shit" that's likely, but a dot-com style collapse is not yet in the cards. Major companies are not nearly as leveraged as they were back then.
>>730914026https://www.techpowerup.com/345177/ddr3-platforms-make-a-comeback-amid-severe-memory-shortagesI hate stupid fucking clickbait articles like this...>The year is 2007 2026 and DDR3 memory platforms are becoming popular.DDR3 was not popular in 2007, nothing outside of gimmicky motherboards like the P35 used it (which was a hybrid model that also used DDR2)> According to a report from Chinese Board Channels, Chinese consumers are turning to Intel's old X99 HEDT platform as a way to obtain high memory capacity at a good price.>There is one major trend worth watching: DDR3 motherboard sales are growing quickly. This may be driven by a rebound in demand for lower priced builds. Bundles that pair DDR3 motherboards with 6th to 9th gen CPUs are selling well. Based on recent information from domestic motherboard brands, DDR3 motherboard volumes are rising fast, showing a rapid growth trend of roughly 2 to 3 times or more.And there you have it. It's chinks buying old stock in hopes to gain a fortune by flipping them later on.
>>730921027>we>He thinks he's on the team>He thinks they care about him
>>730921153Literally, how? These companies aren't even selling their goddamn product to us, they're selling it to other corporations. We've been entirely cut out of the equation.
>>730921157> but a dot-com style collapse is not yet in the cards.lol>Major companies are not nearly as leveraged as they were back then.They're even worse. Doubly so since banks agreed to not take datacenter hardware as collateral. They go down they're basically giant paperweight storage centers.
>>730921157why is /v/ the only place I ever see this brainlet talk of "this is totally not a bubble guys" as altman is literally begging for a pre-bailout for their oncoming industry collapse?I don't see it anywhere except here. Everyone else from market experts to finance bankers have long since accepted this market has long overgrown any profit it could ever make even if they did somehow invent AGI Jesus.
>>730914123So AI saved us from microsaar, based
>>730921209This, PC hardware companies are post-consumer right now, they don't need us, they're selling to the AI Mega-Corps and those Mega-Corps more money than all of us combined and just ate our collective lunches. The Mega-Corps are betting they can replace like 30~40% of the current workforce with AI so they don't even need consumers either, they're going to make back their investments by just firing 30% of the their workers and pocketing the difference, they make more money because they spend less on employees, so it makes sense financially to them too.What does the average joe do here, the tech billionaires are rendering you obsolete, you don't have a job to work to make money, and you don't have money to buy hardware, and the hardware companies don't even want to sell to you because they make more selling to the company that just fired you.And lets imagine this doesn't work out like the tech companies imagine it does, lets say the billionaires are all wrong, they can't replace 30% of their workforce with AI, its a huge bubble, the AI just isn't good enough and the whole thing comes crashing down, its going to make Covid, 2008, and 1930 look like a fucking joke, it'll be a economic crisis the likes of which we've never seen and it won't just be in the USA, it'll be a global economic downturn hitting every level of the supply chain. FUN, can't wait, the future is looking bright! If the tech billionaires are right we don't have jobs and we'll never have affordable personal computers again, and if the tech billionaires are wrong the entire economy explodes. Don't know what is preferable.
>>730914026DDR4 chads, we won.
>tfw contemplating upgrading from 16gb to at least 32gb even though it'll cost an arm and a leg
>>730921579maybe the world needs a dark age man? I've not saying, "we need to go back". But maybe going a little back, won't be so bad? Maybe we could stand to lose some technology, and the means to replicate it.
>>730921579>What does the average joe do hereParticipate in the design of capitalism by not partaking in any service or product that you don't like (used AI in this context). The problem is that people are not willing to compromise like that.
>>730921297Yeah, this is just people pining for another 2008. It could happen, but probably not. We obviously learned from the mistakes of the past.
>>730922291That's the thing, they don't even need the average joe anymore, you can't boycott AI because they're not selling it to you, they sold it to your boss who fired you in favor of an AI worker, you can't boycott the hardware companies because they're not selling it to you, they're selling it to the AI company building the billion dollar datacenter that replaced your job and made your power bill double. You're utterly powerless to stop this from an economic standpoint.
>>730922702>they're not selling it to youThey are selling it to companies that use it. Hence why I specifically said that you don't partake on products or services that uses it.
>>730921579>If the tech billionaires are right we don't have jobs and we'll never have affordable personal computers again, and if the tech billionaires are wrong the entire economy explodes.Either way I still have my Super Nintendo and an SD2SNES. I have a diesel generator if the electric grid goes down. I'll just do some mad max shit and steal gas to keep gaymen. Idgaf. Give me Chronotrigger or give me death.
>>730921579Fucking moron, none of these investments are even done with real money. When, not if, the AI bubble pops, the only people who will lose are the ones holding the bags aka the companies that don't achieve AGI and their data centers, and they're just going to write it all off and it'll be fine because none of that money was going to be used for anything productive anyfuckingway
>>730914123please, please! i can only take so many reasons to get the hell away from microshit!
>>730918246>yeah man, kamala totally got half a bil under the table from crooked techbros and now has to let them run a train on her countryi'd have never voted for her (or anyone else this corrupt ass system ever nominates) but come the fuck on
>>730914296video games are woke
>>730914135Graphical quality stalled 10 years ago anon.
>>730922760That's going to be just about every company, any company that can reduce their workforce by using AI will.Lets say you have a ketchup company, your competitor just reduced their workforce by 30% with no loss in efficiency, and as a result is undercutting you past the point of profitably. Will customers care if your company uses AI or not? Think they'll care enough to spend $2 more for your product? How can you vote with your wallet when every option is the same?
>>730914296>it's Drumpf fault GPUs have been increasing in price and decreasing in quality for the past 15 years!!
>>730921579LLMs aren't going to get much better than they currently are because throwing compute at the same data set is not going to yield much improvement.So unless there's another AI paradigm on the horizon, the jerbs are safe.
>>730914123wrong fuckhead
>>730922971>your competitor just reduced their workforce by 30% with no loss in efficiencythe central fallacyhas yet to be proven true or even given a timeline/pathway to realization>and as a result is undercutting you past the point of profitablyunfortunately most things are owned by 5 hypermassive parent companies that don't directly compete with each other anyway
>>730922971>going to beBetter start now then so that they get the message.
>>730914296nigga most people here have been wanting the video game industry to collapse for a decade or moreme included
>>730922971You are just coming up with a weird scenario that works because you need it to work not because it's an actual potential real possibility. Also the idea that everything and everyone will use AI is ridiculous.I could just as easily argue that the people would care about the use of AI and they'd choose to pay the difference.Bottom line is if someone is against some AI product "until it's cheap enough" then they didn't care about AI to begin with.
>Sacrificing your capability to buy a new computer just to own the artists!A.I cucks can't catch a break
>>730923075>has yet to be proven true or even given a timeline/pathway to realizationTrue, but that's the gamble they're making, the tech companies think they can get there. Is it feasible, we'll have to see, right now its not manifested in any meaningful way but the potential is there and that's why they're putting billions into building out data centers.>>730923243Its not a weird scenario, that's the scenario that is driving all this AI investment. It potentially effects just about every white collar job.
>>730918246Unlike a Boomer, a Gen X would not leverage the position of US to keep dead speculative investment like AI or real estate alive just to keep securing early boomer pensions against hyperinflation, which is also why we will not see a non-Boomer president until their disproportionate effect on votership goes away.Even if the next Republican and Democrat candidates aren't Boomers, the next president will be a 3rd party Boomer.
>>73091429620 years from now you will still be talking about trump like this
>>730923449>Its not a weird scenarioIt is if you think some company is going to/is able to replace a third of their manpower with AI.I mean, there may be some companies that could pull it off if their business activity allows it (and AI gets that good) but most just can't.In the context of the conversation, just go and buy ketchup off the small 50 employees local company instead of from the supercorp Heinz. As I said the way people value the use (or not use) of AI is up to them and if they are not willing to compromise, neither will the companies using it.
>>730914897>1440pAbsolutely disgusting. You need 4K 240Hz.
How much you want to bet that "everybody wants ddr3" is just some random fag on reddit that said they wanted it sarcastically, a bot saw it, then ran with it so that retards can buy literal trash at a mark up.
>>730914026>>730914296>>730923978.
>>730923840>It is if you think some company is going to/is able to replace a third of their manpower with AI.Literally already happening, 30%~40% is the optimistic goals, sure, reality will probably be much lower, but that AI megacorps are touting, obviously its optimistic, but the potential is there or they're good enough at convincing other megacorps that the potential is there to the tune of hundreds of billions in investments from them. >may be some companies that could pull it off if their business activity allows it They all allow it, because they all have white collar workers, you replace the workers by efficiency gains not by just having AI bot do the entire job, you used to need 25 guys sitting at computers to keep your company functioning, now with AI tools you only need 17 guys sitting at computers, you're augmenting your existing workers to be more productive so you need less of them, apply that to the entire economy and that's you get billion dollar datacenters popping up everywhere and every megacrop tech company racing to have the best AI tools.> just go and buy ketchup off the small 50 employees local company instead of from the supercorp HeinzThat's the thing, even that small 50 employee company will be using AI if things play out as the tech companies are predicting, it'd be financial suicide not to. Its like saying if you want horses don't buy anything by companies that use automobiles, except they all do now because its unrealistic not to.
>>730914026no, I don't want it. my fx 6300 was the worst CPU I've ever owned
>>730914248I wish I could.
>>730924395>Literally already happeningJust stop trying to convince anyone that this is a thing because it's not. Even if you could provide some examples they would be just a few which I already acknowledge are a possibility.>you replace the workers by efficiency gainsThus why boycotting works. If your method to increase profits is also driving profits away, there are not increased profits. This is capitalism design at its finest but people would rather bitch and moan than actually make use of it.>even that small 50 employee company will beAgain with the scenarios. So just find a company that doesn't. We've been over this already.>it'd be financial suicide not toThis is nonsense. Companies that are not as efficient as others still exist despite the disparity in efficiency. Hell, some companies quite literally use that disparity as a marketing tactic.>if things play out as the tech companies are predictingIf things play out like techbros predict then we will reach and utopia and conquer the stars. Surely the techbros wouldn't try to sell me hot air so that they can make a quick buck or anything though.>Its like saying if you want horses don't buy anything by companies that use automobilesPeople use cars for transport because they are factually superior in every metric to horses when it comes to transport. I don't even understand why you though that was a valid analogy.It's an even worse analogy when you take into consideration the fact that the people that may have a problem with pollution are now moving to electrics.
>>730918459>the literal jeet wouldn't have pushed for AIcome the fuck on man
>>730914026I don't understand how everyone is making such a big deal out of this, nigger it's RAM you're not supposed to buy it every day like it's breadthe DDR3,4,5 sticks you have will last you a lifetime
>>730925435>dude, things can’t break or accidents can’t happen lmao/v/ermins are dumber that a bag of worms
>>730925226>that this is a thing because it's notYou can bury your head in the sand all you want, but if your job involves you sitting at a computer you're in the crosshairs here.>Thus why boycotting works.Except it doesn't because they're all going to be doing it, and you can try to make the case to your consumer that because you're not doing it you deserve a premium over your competitor but its a hard argument to make when people are already trying to save money anywhere they can because they just lost their job. Ironically it'll be the techbros who could afford such products.>If things play out like techbros predict then we will reach and utopia and conquer the stars.Now you're just being reductive. The techbros are predicting and betting they can replace the workforce via efficiency gains and they're getting substantial financial investment in the billions of dollars because governments and other megacorps believe them. This isn't some techbro fantasy like living on mars by 2030 its reality and already happening. Either that or they're the greatest hucksters of all time and swindled all the world's governments and corporations simultaneously.>People use cars for transport because they are factually superior in every metric to horses when it comes to transport.Again, I don't know how many times I need to go over this, its not about just putting out the slop the AI spits out as a finished product or replacing an entire worker with an AI bot. You get the same product, you just get it from fewer people because each worker is now more efficient, thus you don't need as many. It is an objective improvement over doing it the old way.
>>730925698then don't break it, retardram literally outlasts every other pc part
Any chances that microsoft brings back full win10 support?
>>730926581This, but Win7.
>>730925928>You can bury your head in the sand all you wantYou have provided 0 proof of the claim. I don't need to hide anything to begin with.>Except it doesn'tExcept it does, if you actually do it.>Now you're just being reductiveIt's good that you perceive it that way because all I've done is exactly what you just did, base the entire argument about some techbros' claim.>I don't know how many times I need to go over thisUntil your analogies make sense, what you are saying now is completely irrelevant to horses or the analogy you did in your last post.>You get the same product, you just get it from fewer peopleThis already happened with the car manufacturing industry. In fact it has happened with endless industries too, including the industry that makes ketchup. So what is your point exactly?
Why are people saying that it's not a bubble.From the start "AI" was relying on junk information, the whole foundation was built on dishonesty. This is just relay racing with an explosive baton
>>730926630this but w98
>>730926717to bury*
>>730926630Even better.
>>730920997>2006 gaming laptop>thickness of a paving slab>eleventy bajillion ports>lights dimmed when you plugged it in>cooler fans that could pump air down a mineshaft>never overheatedWe have to go back bros
>>730914452I’m in uni right now and all my profs use chat gpt for everything. It’s basically the ultimate NPC enabler. Also it will never give them a wrong think answer unless you coax it out of the damn thing. Now ai pron though that’s good.
>>730926737It's a bubble, and LLMs are clearly dead end tech already plateauing, but the corps involved are too big to fail, so they will be bailed out, and the bailout amount will make the 2008's $700B look like loose change.
>>730926630Win7 was the beginning of the end, telemetry started with 7.
>>730926910Two. More. Weeks.
>>730926910They’ll keep propping it up to use for military and misinformation purposes. I remember they wanted face scanning drones that could kill people and that was 8-9 years ago. Imagine what they have that we don’t know about.
>>730914026I work at fagman cloud on the team supporting buying millions of parts for openai and blackrock to use, ama
>>730926737I don't get how grok/chatgpt generating cat memes for free is supposed to generate enough capital to offset spending trillions on datacenters and sucking up all the world's energy and water resources. How does this bubble not burst in the next five years? Grandma isn't buying a ChatGPT premium subscription.
>>730927084You don't understand because you are a retard. Why do you think meme pictures is the product being sold?
>>730927140So what are they selling? My data? They already have it from 20 other sources. Why build a billion dollar datacenter to harvest the data I've already given out for free to use my phone?
>>730927210I had AI write a 1000 line unit test for me today in five minutes, which would have previously taken an engineer days. That's what they are selling
Consoles are fucked, but I wonder how this will impact phones.
>>730914296Lol still believing in the voting process in America
has the e-waste mining started yet?
>>730921579>The Mega-Corps are betting they can replace like 30~40% of the current workforce with AINo, this is just corpo talk to justify the current layoff, because talking about AI is better than saying you overhired.The economy is already fake and borderline universal income for welfare, nothing will change.
>>730914026Who is going to produce the DDR3 memory?
>>730927503Landfills are full of the stuff, get mining.
>>730927280And now we're going to have a generation of people disregarding any digital text because no one's actually taking the time to write shit out in a concise manner. Especially when the AI keeps getting shit wrong in the regular the longer the result it spits out, which is getting funnier by the month as more court cases get thrown out due to prosecutors using it as a 'shortcut'.
>>730927280How does this explain the billion dollar datacenter though? they going to sell more 1000 word unit tests?
>>730914135Except Nintendo can't make good games for shit anymore. Tendie cope is a funny thing.
>>730914296what part of ACCELERATE did you not fucking understand?
>>730918246>muh eggs were all biden's fault>but trump throwing billions upon billions at AI corporations so they could hoover up every scrap of memory and compute totally isn't trump's faultPartisan hackery is a hell of a drug
>>730928902eggs are more important than RAM or GPUsI can live without upgrading my system for a few years, I can't live without food.
I used 8gb of ddr3 up until a year ago.
>>730928962How many passed out whores do you bring home to need nothing but eggs
>>730914026>>730914135>>730914296Video game industry will crash and burn in 2026
>>730926737I say it can't be a bubble because AI is doing all the stonk trading now and it won't betray its own kind.bros before hoschips before dips
>>730929617they still port games to the slow as fuck playstation 5, if you have a pc from the past 13 years you're fine.
But... what be RAM?
You retards clearly don't remember the last time this happened with AMD GPU's, you're dooming over something that'll stabilize after a year. The only thing that WON'T stabilize are the prices, because just like the mining GPU craze, panic buyers have shown that because they're willing to drop 3x retail on RAM, it's now officially a "premium" product, and will be priced accordingly>>730927463It's corpos sowing the seeds for>AI didn't magically-replace everything and entitled White Americans think they can just DEMAND a job in it's place when they don't even get us WOTC kickbacks!?!?!? DEPORTATIONS ARE KILLING LABOR BRING OUR SLAVES BACK!!!!!!come the next election. The reason we're seeing so many AI-taking-ur-jerbs articles is because they want you to believe that the ACTUAL reason you're not getting hired is because a datacenter somehow stole all physical labor, and want you to do a little blue collar prole revolution. No one but retards who scream at AI are buying it, because to them, the only jobs that matter involve using a computer for 99% of your shift (failed artists, vibe coders, HR schizos)
>>730930003too bad most current games have drm shit like denuvo or retarded anticheat system that chinks bypass it
>>730914135>going to stall>goingFucking retard
>>730914026>ai makes poors go back 6x CPU generations to use DDR3 >ai makes poors go back 4 GPU generationsthis is funny as fuck.
>>730914296You had many years to build a PCOnly scalpers and late poorfags are truly upset, if you wanted a decent PC that can play at min 1080p at 60FPS you would have a PC made or bought ages ago
>getting an 8k inheritance soon>already have a 2080ti 5800x3d and 3600mhz 16clShould I spend my entire inheritance on a 5090 9800x3d and 64gigs of 6000mhz ram (1000dollars ram alone) or wait it out bros?
>>730930613>gets a few grand>instantly wants to blow it on buying frivolous shit when he as a perfectly capable PC that will last 2 more yearsAbsolutely niggerlicious, post hand.
>>730914296I know this is bait and sometimes it feels like posting on this website has become an exercise of screaming into the void, but I feel compelled to write this because it needs to be repeated until you dipshits get it through your thick heads. Trump was never shot at. All voting is fraudulent. The Democrats and Republicans work towards to same goals. All their conflicts are theatrics. AI is entirely funded by your taxes to create a surveillance system, and make politics even faker and gayer than it already is. There is no left or right wing, it doesn't exist, it's a false dialectic. It's not 2016 anymore, stop acting like any of this shit is real.
>>730930713What if I wait and in 2 years it costs 15k to upgrade my PC? What if the AI bubble doesn't burst!?
>>730914296Not burger, also it would happen anyway since AI is a wunderwaffe against Chyna
>>730914026If they can manufacture DDR3, why don't they manufacture DDR5 instead?
>>730930713>last 2 more yearsWith those specs all he'd need is a new GPU and it'd last him a decade
>>730930732But... but I voted.... I made a difference....
>>730930003Base PS5 is still stronger than your average PC going by the Steam stats, which makes the Steam Machine going for 8gb of vram all the funnier.
>>730930613Unless your job relies on having a fast PC to make your work quicker, you should be saving that inheritance dosh for something actually important, or stowed away as an emergency fund for your vehicle or living property, assuming you're not living the rental life.
>>730914135still not buying your toys, "sis".
>>730914135>>730914026Why don't they write software to make them run better?
>>730930791Because the materials and machines making ddr5 for your RAM are also the same materials and machines making AI ram. ddr3 doesn't require the same machines.
>>730921579Thank goodness for trickle down economics
>>730914296wokies already destroyed the industry like they said they would so who cares
>Prices go up>and up>and up again>People act shockedDON'T YOU KNOW WE'RE AT WAR?
>Ah, you were at my side all along.
>>730914135>going toIt has stalled since 2015
>>730914452>voting for trump created AIthanks obama
>>730914452>killing ourselves made libs upset so it's based!Holy..
>>730914123gods... if only that was true
>>730914135>going tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNfJMrBpe4(since around 2016)+-
>>730914026"Bomb Ai data centers"-Elizer Yudkovsky
>>730914296How so? The prices of RAM rose all over the world. I don't think import taxes got much to do with it.
so those with ddr5 machines will be gods among men in 2030
>>730914296it was already destroyed quite some years ago
>>730931936By Trump trying to ban any state from making its own AI regulations and directly empowering Musk, Ellison, and Thiel for their explicit ideological slant as opposed to your average chameleon tech billionaire like Zuckerberg.
>>730918981Yeah, only the high end DDR3 stuff has enough juice left to be valuable for anything but the most basic of use cases.
>>730929958AI has no loyalty for its own kind. You're anthromorphising it.
>>730926737It's solving frontier math, generating code that can improve itself, and programmers are using it do in minutes what used to take them days or weeks, on top of it already having breakthroughs like alphafold. People are saying it's a bubble because they want it to be a bubble. It's not going away, especially not before they see a drop off in gains.But even if that drop off happened overnight and there were no more gains to be had, it's already insanely useful, can have scaffolds built around it to put into a ton of products and has a bunch of other problems that could be worked on to make it even more useful and reliable. The money might drain, but it's not going to pop and AI is not going to go away regardless.
>>730930791>why don't you use sweatshop to make more swiss watches?
>>730926916At the tail end of W7's life in an update you could just not install.
>>730914135>is goingNigger you are 10 years later
>>730914135Nintendo isn't capable of making good games anymore.
>>730920410No. You didn't get a GPU at all.Also it was the best version of what was already in it, usually a Celeron (not even a Pentium).
>>730931461i've witnessed all these classic examples of 2015 games but it never fails to amaze me that games like this used to be made, and now it's like the knowledge is all lost. everything is unoptimized and ugly.
>>730932868You can thanks ray tracing and nvidia for that
>>730932868Because>green line must go upwas swapped for>red line must go downIt took considerable amount of effort to make good graphics, now studio execs wants to hire jeets for 1/3 of the previous dev salaries and pocket the rest. Graphics stalled, but its development cost went down.
>>730932868Lack of talent
>>730932919Not a fan of nvidia but it's not like they pumped retard gas into AAA game dev offices or something. Seems silly to solely blame them.
>>730914135Stalling is better than going backwards which is what it has
>>730933138>but it's not like they pumped retard gas into AAA game dev offices or somethingIt's exactly like that. Nvidia sponsors devs in exchange for devs using nvidia tech. That's how it works.
>>730914135Games don't really need to go much further visually, they do need better art direction and gameplay again though
Huh, you like that, you little bitch? You want daddy to squeeze you even harder, don't you, you fucking little slut?
>>730933314fuck me harder. I want 1080ti to be rereleased
>>730931168Because AI is a scam and it makes every piece of software a bloated piece of shit absolutely. Hence the price of trusting a machine trained off redditors and stack exchange autists.
>>730930732kill yourself eva 3dpd troon
oh no, i won't be able to play the latest wokeslop with ambiguous ethnic #23. i'll have to play all the good games released before 2020 that run just fine with 8gb of ram.
>>730934023That's a really high quality gif
>>730934023this
>>730914026I have old RAM sticks in a box somewhere pretty sure they are ddr4 some are 4gb I think some are 2gb I might have some 8gbs maybe. Can I sell them for a major profit right now?
>>730932868Unreal Engine 4 Demo Tournament is prebaked lighting (specific maps only) under the obligatory layer of CA and color grading, it wasn't anything special at the time if you'd played Mirror's Edge and Syndicate, with pictured map Outpost 23 being UT's standout tech demo. Prebaked lighting isn't especially a pain to do with deathmatch-sized maps, but for something AAA and huge in current year with the obligatory deadlines and competence crisis, most devs just slap Lumen on their shit and pray to God
I still don't know the difference between DDR versions. I have 32gb of DDR4, is 32gb of DDR5 just more optimized in terms of how much ram is used?
I feel like this RAM shortage is entirely artificialWhy would we go from DDR5 suddenly to DDR4 or even 3? The materials to create the combs are the same, the architecture is roughly the same and so is the method of putting them together.Why would you start creating older shit to "compensate" lack of newer shit, instead of making more of the newer shit?
What are the ram prices in your people's countries?Because I am not seeing the price hike.
>>730934302You're conflating "we don't want you to have the newer shit" with "compensating for lack of newer shit"
Downgrade enough and China will swoop the market
>>730934302>I feel like this RAM shortage is entirely artificialIt is, manufacturers have literally said that last time they saw a spike in demand (during COVID) they increased production capacity and once demand dropped back to normal, profits cratered, so to prevent profits from cratering again they're just not gonna increase production this time, simple as.
>>730934302say thank you to sam altman
>>730914135Nintendo needs 12GB of DDR5 RAM to run PS2 games.
>>730918692What happened to him?
>>730934302The process node isn't the same. You can't just snap your fingers and magic more production capacity into existence. These fabs are insanely expensive and take a long time to set up, and then they need to be pumping out wafers 24/7 for years to justify their existence.
>>730914135Fucking good. Graphics are plenty good, just focus on smaller but more original games.
>>730917981The chinks are buying up all the hardware too. A friend of mine just sold his old GPUs at the same price that he bought them to some chink buyer.
>>730935013I can*snap*
>>730918692Using a Mac isn't better. Haha
>>730935546Holy shit... this anon just saved computers...
>>730914490>he talks about performance in terms of frayemsopinion discarded, gamer cattle
>>730914296>the AI bubble was created by GRONALD BLUMPF!I knew /v/ was retarded but this takes the cake.
>>730915589>it has 22 cores, 1 of which will be used for gaymingkek
Let's all just agree that early 00s is peak 3D graphics which find the perfect balance between detail and readability and go back to making games at that level.
>>730934302>I feel like this RAM shortage is entirely artificialIt is, people are losing their fucking minds over a blip, this always happens when stock is low for something a hot new tech trend needs. Just like how a current lack of DDR5 is making people go with DDR4 builds, years back, a lack of worthwhile RTX 2000/3000 cards (and games) caused a huge surge in value for 1080's and 1080 ti's
>>730915923Adding to this, there's only ONE company in the world that produces the machinery used to make RAM.is called ASML and is currently forbidden for them to make business with China, which is the reason chinks never got the advantage on memory over Taiwan.
>>730934302Have you ever noticed that a stick of 2GB RAM from a decade ago and a new stick of 24GB RAM are the same size?Despite using ostensibly the same materials, the newer RAM has much more packed into the same size, because everything is much smaller. The smaller you want to make the components, the more advanced and precise the lathe that etches them. Production capacity is limited currently by the number of these lathes and infrastructure to support them. This can't be easily expanded, because those lathes are so expensive that they cost years of production to pay for themselves, meaning that they need to respond to long-term changes in demand and not short-term spikes.But older lathes that were suitable for older, less advanced cards still exist. Largely these just get put into storage or shifted to producing other components that don't benefit from the same level of miniaturization, components that aren't currently in critical shortages and thus can afford to have their production cut to divert some productivity to making older RAM.It's a bandaid, essentially. The foundries would rather let these shortages persist for years before scaling up production, so that they can be sure demand will remain high. But flooding the market with older second-rate products can help cap prices by providing a low cost alternative that isn't suffering the same scarcity. Right now if you want to build a PC your choices are paying 1200 dollars for each stick of RAM, or not building a PC. So a lot of people pay 1200 dollars, and a lot of people don't build their PC (hurting the sales of all the other components that aren't suffering supply crunches). And while it hasn't hit the consumers yet, other companies are also getting screwed by the shortage. You can't sell a smartphone without RAM, or a PS5 without RAM. These second-rate products will help give them SOMETHING to sell through the shortage.
someone explain to me why a high end AM4 chip is more expensive than a mid tier AM5 chip even if the AM5 chip is more powerful
>>7309328682015 was basically last week. How does knowledge like that become lost so quickly?
>>730935938
>>730936019no longer being producedjust go am5 and go for the bare minimum of ram until the situation improves so you have headroom for future upgrading
>>730935938>buy 1080 ti for $700 in 2017>use it for four years>sell it for $800 in 2021That must have been fun.
>>730936123That's what happens when you hire unqualified people for social/political reasons and not for actual talent. Welcome to a low trust society.
>>730936123High turnover and only hiring the lowest bidder, the old guards who knew how to do it either retired or left the industry due to dogshit working conditions while low skilled codemonkeys either never had time or the ability to learn from the people who knew how to
>>730918784>Also the gen is really not that good. The only + of the 5090 is 32gb of dram.I just saw a gamer's Nexus video on how some Chinese repair shop makes 48gb 4090s just by soldering more memory modules onto the PCB.
>>730936276So you're saying society was better when we had a black president?
>>730926860it seems like a literal mouse would peak in gaming..
>>730936359I realize you're a zoomer who can only remember the last 10 years, but the decline has been happening for decades.
we will never pass ddr5 and get ddr6.. and gddr8..
You don't need more, we need to go back.
>>730914296>>the end of their hobby>devs will be forced to optimize again>and/or players will have to rediscover the older, much better gamesIt's called a Renaissance.
>>730936735based
>>730936123Serious answer?More processing power is meaningless unless you have the means of actually using it. Around the early nought-tens we hit the point of diminishing returns, where hardware advances had outpaced advancements in software development so greatly that there was basically nothing to use all of that extra processing power on except for marginal improvements or expanding the resolution.Since then, hardware advancements have continued to rapidly outpace our ability to efficiently utilize that hardware. The end results is that games don't actually look any better than they did in 2015, because we don't really have the tools to make things look better even though we have the resources to support that tools (if they existed). Instead, two things happened. The hardware companies continued developing gimmicks (ie superesolution) that exist to basically waste that extensive processing power, so it feels like it has a use; while simultaneously companies that develop products dependent on that hardware (everything from games to youtube) used the glut of processing resources to lower costs. If you have more resources than you need, you can spend less time and money on optimization or on trying to solve complex computing problems and instead just bruteforce the issue with inefficient methods and huge amounts of processing power. You lay off the computer scientists with doctorates who cost 7 figures a year and replace them with self-taught code jockeys, who can live basically anywhere in the world where labour is cheap instead of being basically exclusive to places with extremely high education standards and quality universities. Payroll goes down, profits go up.And this is why games now actually look worse than they did in 2015. Because despite having more resources, the people using them are less competent and just produce work that looks worse with the same tools. And the companies are happy with this because it costs them less and still works.
>>730914743https://youtube.com/watch?v=l8GyGF-m6wI
>>730923007He's basically been running the country for 10 years so yeah it kind of is faggot
So, I'm planning on upgrading to a 9950x3D. Which MoBo is best for this beast?
>>730936991just get a b850
>>730936762That ship has sailed, anon. Good programmers don't grow out of the ground, they take years of advanced education and decades of experience. The industry killed that, and we now have a generational gap in coding talent. We have top-level dudes nearing retirement that make millions to produce AI models and tackle the toughest questions in computer science, and we have Indians with a CODING FOR DUMMIES book. There's nothing in between, because everyone in between was forcibly displaced from the industry a decade ago and found other careers.Talent doesn't just sit around in queue and wait for jobs. If there's no demand, people stop going to university for that field, people with university educations stop sitting around waiting for a job posting to appear and accept a position making powerpoints for a bank or start their own food truck business or something.There will be no optimization renaissance, just a weird and uncomfortable period where triple-A devs continue making games that nobody can run anymore while their CEO's shrug and write thinkpieces about how 'consumer electronics is dead' before they start jumping ship and pixeltroon indie platformers take over, while soulless tech giants try to force cloud-only computing on your elderly parents.
>DDR3>for modern AAA titlesRetards....
>>730914135AI rendering refutes this.
You're not entitled to anything, stupid goys :v)
>>730935938>a blip90% of all RAM being produced for the next few years not hitting the consumer market because a black box company prebought it is no blip bakaAlso can't you make the star captcha even blurrier goot?
>>730937136It makes me depressed how fucking possible this is
We don't need better hardware.
>>730936838Don't forget they have loyal foot soldiers to defend it all, many on /v/
we need the gaming industry to crash and for games to go back to ps2 graphics
>>730937602Yeah well you also wail about anything which would benefit artists. No artists = no quality games
Start hoarding old hardware, games, roms, etc.They want everyone on dumb devices where you receive a video feed of a computer in the cloud, with everything processed online. And there's multiple benefits for them doing this;1, they can charge an endless subscription fee, nickle and dime you to infinity.2. they can restrict software and services, stopping you from piracy, competition, political expression, etc. basically total control.3. they will have an even bigger monopoly and can sell you increasingly worse productsStart planning now.
>>730914123good thing my computer doesn't support windows 11>>730931461*2014
>>730934712He split in two to create his son through mitosis
