I hate it.
>>730915421cry more libtard. pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
I love it.
>>730915512>pull yourself up by your bootstrapsbut the money came from a government handout
>>730915518I love LA.
>>730915421The concept of stock having to be made to fill an order that has been made is treated as though the entire situation is imaginary by you retardsOf course the GPUs aren't made yet, they're waiting on the memoryOf course something of this scale was paid for with a promise of money later, that's what loans are built on
>>730915421Pump my bags nigger
We need to invent predictable inaccessible memory
>>730915738So are these techfags gonna pay when the money doesn't come?
>>730915829nah They aren't traditionally fond of chasing up money that they were promised in the pastTechfags will probably just change their address once and forget about it
>>730915829Businesses will go bankrupt maybe a few banks and jews will be bailed out by taxpayers.
>>730915829yes, but using your tax dollars
>>730915767that's what i have in my brain
>>730915421>demand that isn't actually thereI demand technology.
16GB is enough for slop making.
What happens to the ram if the investment falls through?
the image forgot the part where no one wants AI shit other than 45+ year old geriatric boomers, 70iq browniggers, and those who stand gain monetarily
I mean if true AI ever happens it will all be worth itIfThough it seems they're too deep in the hole to ever accept failure before collapse
>>730917545You forgot about us coomers.
>>730917385You demand free* technology. Local models and even currently free cloud services like chatgpt.These companies are trillions in debt and eventually they will have to recoup the losses. Eventually they will bleed the cattle for all they're worth.
>>730917576>45+ year old geriatric boomers, 70iq browniggers>forgot
>>730917441See >>730915941 and >>730915953Basically either they get loadsamoney and we get fucked, or they get loadsamoney and we get fucked.
>>730917619not my problem that your imagination can't fill in the blanks. sounds like a problem only browns would have though.
>>730917653>your imagination can't fill in the blanks>has no imagination and requires AI to create dogshit quality videos to jerk off
>>730917545only those who stand to lose monetarily are against ai. (troons and tumblrwhales and jews that don't want you running local)
>>730915512funny, I don't see you pulling up any bootstraps, just licking boot
Finance capitalism was a mistake. It is impossible for number to go up infinitely on a finite planet without dangerous psyops. It must be done away with.
>>730917715>he hasn't gouged out his eyes and imagined his surroundingsWhat a fucking casual.
why did you vote for it
>>730915512>the streets are flooding from the accumulated filth of all the sex and murder of the elites, smooth talkers, and the politicians>armed men are guarding the elevators and stairs and only allowing the ((elites)) to ascend to escape it>"durr hurr just pull thy boot's straps lol!!!"Maybe in certain periods of history this was true, when it was feasible for an average person to get a job that paid enough to buy land and support a family, but all the land is bought up by central banking and you have to be a fucking doctor or lawyer or be genuinely talented and sell your soul to tech and industry (I mean the grueling, soul-sucking jobs Indians can't do) just to pay rent somewhere, and forget about property.
>>730918030Americans be like:>your two choices are Moloch or Baal>wtf why is there child sacrifice and temple rape rituals, you voted for this
>>730918030Why are you this dimwitted?
>wtf why do people consider the future on their economic decisionsthe brown mind can't comprehend economics
>>730918387It wasn't my economic decision. My wallet got outvoted by global trillionaires with infinite money who want me reduced to a cuckslave
>>730915421Yup. And guess who's gonna bale them out when the bubble inevitably pops! You, the tax payer or NEET or whatever you will be when it happens.
>>730915738You sound very jewish.
>>730915738It won't pencil out. It's a Ponzi scheme.
>>730918449that's just how human history works
>>730915512God damn I hate you stupid motherfuckers so much."Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps"I want you to pause and think about that phrase. Think about the words that go into that phrase. Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps describes an impossible task.
>>730918347>and haha we chose which one would 'win' ahead of time anywayi mean come on. why does anybody trust that election results aren't fixed. who really knows who is responsible for counting the votes? We're just all supposed to trust these people who no one knows who they are, who work for a government that's KNOWN for ony having the most TRUSTWORTHY AND HONEST HAHAHAHAHAHA people working for it
>>730915512>fit your bootstraps to your RAM slots and pull your framerate up with your hands3 bajillion IQ, Einstein in shambles, mathfags BTFO, philosophycucks seething
>>730915512Well point me in the right direction then. I want to make money, what's the best way to do it in the modern era?
>>730915421The economy as a whole is fake as fuck.But, the part of it that is still in contact with reality keeps the system afloat...Until it doesn't anymore.
>>730915421If/when the bubble pops, usually because these rapidly expanding companies bleed themselves dry before their expansion plans come to fruition, there becomes a glut on the market as their initial orders now have no buyer. This glut causes a price collapse as the manufacturer seeks any way to make up for the prospective income they've now lost.Simply put, Hold position and wait out the storm. You'll reap the benefits on the other side. The absolute worst thing you can do is buy now and feed the panic.
>>730917576>You forgot about us coomers.>70iq browniggersNo he didn't.
>>730915421fake economy>>730915512fake bait
>>730918645Catch sparks in a bucket fag
>>730918571If anyone can make a Ponzi scheme solvent it's a giant corporation with no one to answer to.
>>730917915>Finance capitalism was a mistake. It is impossible for number to go up infinitely on a finite planet without dangerous psyops. It must be done away with.I agree with you, but>picrelcommunism is an even bigger mistake. We're not doing that.
>>730917915Communism and by extension it's predecessor in socialism is literally predicated upon a "post scarcity" society. Something that you correctly identified as impossible to achieve on planet with finite resources.
>>730917593i just want robots to follow you around and remind you that youll never be a woman while stealing all of your money.
Does supporting AI somehow let you justify your transphobia and racism? Because all you pro-AIers just sound like MAGAfags who don't care what they're supporting as long as they can piss someone off by doing so.
>commies: corporations are le bad because they only look for short profits and would never invest in long term projects>commies: uh not like this!>>730915829if no risks were taken society would stagnate
>>730915512keek poorfaggots fuming over this
>>730915421>retard finds out what a futures market is
>>730915512Trannies did not like this one bit
>>730919069>Does supporting AI somehow let you justify your transphobia and racism?I don't support AI, but transphobia and racism need no justification. Fuck off nigger tranny
Why can't anyone actually make AI sound like a positive or something that people would want?It feels like the industry sees it as so ubiquitous it doesn't need to be "sold", just "accepted". No one actually puts out any marketing that explains what benefits can be expected once AI engineering hits the level that is being targeted. It just feels like something that will happen and we should just not care about it at all, even if it starts forcing compromises in how we want to live our lives.
>>730915512But libertarians are the ones that put us into this shitfest, tho??
>>730915829You don't remember last time? A few of the smaller companies will be allowed to fail, the big ones will get bailed out, and the people responsible will change their titles and that's it.
>>730919131>if your retardation gets replies that means you were right!Piss off. This is retarded when leftists say it and it's retarded when you say it
>>730915421Many of the data centers have been built, there's just no infrastructure to power them after decades of "IMPROVING THINGS IS SOSHILUSIM YOU COMMIE, GIVE THAT MONEY TO BILLIONAIRES"
>>730918709Unironically be a young woman and do OF. It’s the only thing feasible without extreme efforts and low chance of success.
>>730919190They don't see you as someone to be convinced, they see you as something to be herdedThey're incapable of even thinking in terms like "how can I convince people", because if they see dollar signs that means the cattle must be milked because that is what cattle are for
>>730919237To me this feels like the tipping point where corporations could genuinely become entities that can overwhelm state control.Going off-grid and becoming self-sustaining is like the last step towards giving corporations enough autonomy to allow them to operate outside any national framework. Basically being large and independent enough to where they could in theory not have to accede to a government's wishes since the government would struggle sanction them in a way that would force them to fall in line.
>>730919072>society would stagnatego on
>>730917571>if true AI ever happens it will all be worth itHow so? So we can all become useless?Besides, you don't need these shortages for "true AI" to emerge. It's all artificial scarcity.
>>730919237>IMPROVING THINGS IS SOSHILUSIMSocialism is never sold as actually improving something though? It's always some manner of retardation or taking from you to give to another.>YOU COMMIEIf you're seething about this, something tells me you are one.
>>730918571>>730915421You think this about money?Their goal isn't money, it's digital feudalism.Consumers will never be able to afford the computer power required to use AI, and all future tech is going to be designed by MANDATE to use it in some way.They want it to become an irreplaceable part of everyday life, then charge you rent for using it.
>>730919293That's exactly how I see it, I just don't want to be cynical enough to think that's what's coming down the pipeline.Makes me think of Musk's Starlink system blotting out telescopes. Growing the Starlink network is more important than human endeavor and it kind of sets the curve for progress as a whole. What is good for people is not of interest to what is good for corporate growth and it's starting to leave less room to decide for yourself which way you'll accept.
>>730919325>the government would struggle sanction them in a way that would force them to fall in lineThat would be what the military is for, if the government wasn't fully in bed with the corporations that is
>>730915512Stop trying to make everything a partisan issue
>le you won't own nothing meme is real
>>730919417If you're corporate rat and there's no demand, you create oneBy any means necessary
>it's a '/v/ is economically illiterate' episode
>>730919429>Makes me think of Musk's Starlink system blotting out telescopes.I didn't even know this was happening and it pisses me the fuck off
>>730919336and collapse under its own weight see the failled USSR
>>730919471They know people, "left" and "right", are on the verge of united against this shit and they're trying desperately to stop it from happening by sowing division wherever they canI say this as a hard right winger who hates (current) leftists by the way, but will take the opportunity to work with them against the elites fucking us all overExpect the division to kick into overdrive, like it did during OWS
>>730919293Its less sinister than that. Its simply a dominant strategy in all human interaction to force beneficial trade deals where you can, and large corporations can virtually always do this as long as they get government support.You will never change this basic element of human psyche. The only option is to remove the thing that enables the behavior in the first place, which is arbitrary government power.
>>730915512You fucking idiots would drink a gallon of cum if someone told you it "owned the libs."
>>730919610so what comes after ai then since stagnation can never happens
>>730915421that's how basically all contracts work you absolute moron
>profitsit's for zog's mass surveillance project
>>730919640>Its less sinister than thatI wish I could believe this, but everything I have seen says otherwise.
>>730919190>Why can't anyone actually make AI sound like a positive or something that people would want?They are there, but they are drowned out by the two more vocal groups.First being the braindead communists complaining about job losses even though we have nearly 2 centuries of evidence showing that increasing productive output may result in minor short term job losses, greatly increases job openings over the long term. The idiotic attempt to bring back industrial revolution era fears, when the industrial revolution is entirely responsible for the single and largest increase in average quality of life in human history.Combine that with the tech bros themselves, which are dramatically overselling the capability of AI in an attempt to secure more and more funding; to the point where they are making impossible claims that is evident to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge on the subject. Now you've got this cancerous money pit that everyone is rooting to fail, but is too big to be allowed to fail.
>>730919656singularity, almost post-scarcity
>>730919398You're retarded.People literally vote away infrastructure projects because rich fucks successfully run campaigns to avoid being taxed for the few tax loopholes they don't rig. Build new roads? Maintain power infrastructure? NO! Someone's yacht fleet would be slightly smaller. We're going to circle the drain to own the libtards.
all these companies are run by the USG with the faintest pretense of independence. there's no market here.
>>730915421How could you make the gpus if you don't have the memory? And how could you build the datacenter without the gpus?
>>730919716and that's better then stagnation
>>730919190if you don't instantly realize how useful it is no one can help you
>>730919719people vote away infrastructure projects because they know the money will be stolenremember that old canard about the 19th century robber barons? the money they're accused of stealing? PUBLIC GRANTS.
>>730915512do anons even know this is bait
>>730919773the capitalist cannot legally take your money without your consentbut the state can
>>730919325Corporations cannot 'overwhelm' state control, corporations are in symbiosis with state control. States eat the up-front risk of establishing the monopoly of violence and rule of law by which modern societies run, and corporations just parasitize that position of power.If a corporation tried to build its own state tomorrow it would immediately collapse because no sane group of investors will tolerate the level of financial risk that comes along with trying to carve out your own sovereignty.
>>730919651I think he's retarded, but leftists bear some blame in this as wellThere's a reason they're hated and viewed in a "what's bad for them is good for me" capacity
>>730919760Literally nobody can figure out how this technology is meaningfully useful rn, that's why everyone is getting scammed into buying into the AI bubble.
>>730919190I want it tho
>>730919719>People literally vote away infrastructure projects because rich fucks successfully run campaigns to avoid being taxedBecause you fuckers always come in with hostile shit like "EAT THE RICH", when everyone else wants things to be fair for everyone, even rich people. I want rich people to pay their share of taxes but I don't want them taxed out the ass and I don't want to be in a system that thinks it's entitled to everything it can plunder from peopleThere's plenty of fucking money for infrastructure, they just spend that money on retarded shit that nobody wants and hold out their hand for more
>>730919878I literally use AI daily at work and it's cut my workload in half
>>730919705You can explain all of modern politics and economics with fairly simple game theory. Humans run on fairly simple rules and there are far fewer detached truly malicious sociopaths than pop fiction would have you believe (not zero, though).
>>730919878lol
>>730919928>I literally use AI daily to do redundant, non-productive busywork at 40x the energy cost of being manually unproductive!Fascinating. I never imagined such things could be.
>>730919816I guess but I still think it's a bridge into the unknown when a corporation decides that the state-provided resources for what they do is no longer enough and they need to supply their own resources to operate at the level they desire.It's an x-factor.
>>730915421Personally, I blame central banking and the lack of gold backing to the dollar
>>730919949If you're born and raised in an insular world that believes the unwashed masses are cattle who are too stupid to know what's best for them, and need to be ruled by their betters, you don't have to be a sociopath to adopt that belief for yourself
>>730915421Remember to apologise >>730915512You will be gassed first, Schlomo
>>730920027Go back to IG reels lil bro
>>730919928>it's cut my workload in halfSo they're paying you for half as much work? Soon you'll be paid less or made redundant
>>730915421>ram prices are stable in China and didn't rise
>>730919819>It's your fault I voted for Larry Ellison to rape me with a cactus
>>730915421We told you waitfags to upgrade when the 50 series came out and you refused.Now you get to waitfag some more, whats the problem??
>>730920062Corporations do not want to do that. It goes against basic profit motive to fund something for yourself if you have access to an enormous pool of infinity tax dollars and printed money that you don't have to maintain. All of the blatantly retarded shit we are seeing large corporations do today is the direct result of them having free access to infinity quadrillion tax dollars and being able to bribe politicians for favorable regulations.
>>730919714I feel like I'm in the wrong generation then. I take for granted what the industrial age has brought us because I was born into a time when it was already all around us but now I'm on the precipice of a technological revolution that I can't fit myself into easily, either as someone working in the tech industry or as a consumer of tech products.The arrival of the Internet age went smoothly for me but, I dunno, this doesn't. I'm not so closed-minded as to say "reject it outright" because I do think AI as an aid to giving humanity a better way to create with less limitations is good but it does kind of also feel like dealing with snake oil salesmen who promise the moon and they themselves don't even understand it, they just know they can sell it.
>>730919059>we're all doomed eventually anyway so let's just... uh... wait it out!
>>730920083If you're born and raised in an economic reality where the dominant financial strategy is to always just parasitize the largest legal thief on this side of the planet you don't have to have any kind of education to just do that. Because if you don't your nuts are going to get stomped by whoever will.
>>730920096https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vupzqjo1QrA
>>730920136It's the fault of leftists that we hate them and see them as a dangerous enemy, yes.It's that anon's fault he's retarded enough support things that harm him on that basis
>>730919920The world was better when moneyslop homos had a 95% tax rate you middle age serf
>>730920143I'll add to that now.Buy 3-4 computers now, things are about to get crazy, and if you want to play games the way you want to play them in the next 15 years, stock up.
>>730920248>buy during a bubbleThese are the people you share this board with, anons.
Sooner or later chingchongs will flood the market with GPUs and RAM. Clearly the demand is there so capital will eventually follow.
>>730920083>believes the unwashed masses are cattle who are too stupid to know what's best for themThe problem is, the unwashed masses as you so put it, think this themselves.
>>730919878Creating real-time deep fakes so Indians can scam more efficiently. Creating automated slop videos so Indians can scam more efficiently.Creating automated tweets so Indians can scam more efficiently.The possibilities are endless.
>>730920237>The world was better when moneyslop homos had a 95% tax rate you middle age serfWhy would anybody innovate or build if they were going to lose 95% of their profits? It's fucking retarded.
>>730920282You won't have another opportunity to buy when the wars begin.
>>730920296According to AI proponents if you get scammed by AI-generated content then you had it coming and do not factor into trying to impede the proliferation of it.
>>730920313The world has literally never had a 95% tax rate either so Idfk what that retard is on about.We are living at one of the highest real taxation rates in history.
>>730920283bing bong RAM is just a copper plated slab of zinc to blow up your board
>>730915512tell the banks and corporations to pull themselves up by the bootstraps when one of their retarded gambles fail. my tax dollars shouldn't be used to subsidize some retard's gambling losses.
>>730919337well in a proper and citizen managed society, AI would help usher in the era of post-scarcity so we wouldn't have to work 40 hour work weeks until you're too old to enjoy life anymore. All the menial labor would be mechanized, and you'd have more leisure time to do things you like. unfortunately corporations don't want to let go of their capital and power, and neither do politicians or The banking families. so we have this zombie of a society being propped up instead of naturally moving forward with a technological era. now you have people hating technology (AI development) because it's being used against them instead of for them.
>>730920313There are ways around taxes smart guy. It's called corruption.
>>730920296obsessed whitoid
>>730920362That's all your taxes have ever gone to, to be fair.It is economically impossible for the government to spend your money more efficiently than you would. Every tax dollar is spent on retarded gambles.
>>730917545you forgot jeets (who, half the reason they want it is because they get paid to develop it)
>>730919878It's pretty helpful for studying if you're a student, which I am. Way more useful than doing things the old way. It's also great to have for art when you want to make mock-ups of an idea before you invest in designing it.
>>730920396This is total fucking sci-fi fanfiction.In MY retarded fictional dreamworld the government would 3d-print a new catgirl for me to fuck on demand every day!
>>730920476It's pretty great for>nonproductive thing AAnd>nonproductive thing BAt only 40x the energy cost of being manually nonproductive!Truly revolutionary.
>>730920480It's called optimism buddy, notice I said ideally. That's not the reality. I never said it was anything more than an ideal. people need to put their fangs away we're all on 4chan.
>>730920480In a post scarcity society, the goal would be to get more than your neighbor has. At least that's how my mind works. Even if all my basic needs were met, I'd want more. Because settling for less is cucked.
>>730920354>>730920313>never heard of a marginal tax rateplease shit dicks, please remove your dumb dumb blood and return your wasted nutrients to the earth
>>730920528how the fuck is studying not productive? are you some dumb neet that just sits inside an a PC and goes to work at Walmart everyday?
>>730915421Don't forget that they are perfectly capable of meeting demands but they will not increase production because they're afraid the bubble will pop and they'll have leftover stock.
>>730920571*some dumb neet or just someone that sits inside on a PC and goes to work at Walmart everyday.
>>730915421You know this is the reason why you dont have to worry about if every next crop season will fail and half your family will die from starvation. Fractional reserve banking and speculative economics literally is what allows for comfortable modern living.
>>730915512Im employed and I hate spending more on that what shit is actually worth
>>730920430
>>730920396>instead of naturally moving forward with a technological eraThis is the natural movement forward. This is what it looks like.People are seething now because they expect the equivalent of the Internet as it is today to manifest in the 70s, shortly after it's invention.This shit will take time and there's no getting around that.
>>730915421>Technology so advanced that it can create what is tantamount to magic increased 4x in price to.... a few hundred dollarsOh no!
>>730920548By definition you cannot have more or less than anyone in a post-scarcity situation.Which is one of infinite reasons why post-scarcity is an absurd, retarded concept.>>730920571Studying does not produce goods or alter existing goods into a state of higher value. It simply isn't productive in economic terms. You cannot quantify a return on the investment.Virtually everything AI can do right now is the same way. It isn't productive and we haven't figured out how to make it productive. So there's going to be a massive downturn when the investment bubble bursts just like with the .com bubble, when people realized they didn't know how to use websites to actually generate RoI.
>>730915421Most of that diatribe is complaining about people making future plans, so it was probably written by a brownoid who can't imagine anything beyond the present.
>>730920674I just think that corporations are burning any remaining Goodwill left with the people of the countries they do business in. It's creating a terrible environment and it doesn't need to. I would have liked for there to be some legislation to keep things like this from happening. I enjoy AI concepts, I'd like to see where it goes.
>>730915421>demand that isn't thereI want the holodeck as soon as possible.I welcome AI if it allows that.
>>730920625>Fractional reserve banking and speculative economics literally is what allows for comfortable modern living.This is simply not true though.Fractional reserves have never been necessary to secure life staples, and cannot be. No amount of on-hand money can produce food out of nowhere and freak ecological events like the dustbowl can just fuck you regardless of on-hand money.Speculation is not even economically productive I don't even know what you're on about there.
>>730915421I swear this isn't even a new idea. Imagine having a company that makes swords, but doesn't really, that is somehow making millions of dollars that eventually it gets the government seal of approval for being great at business and thus trustworthy....and then it collapses because the whole thing was a big lie and the amount of swords made and trade conducted was massively lower than any of the graphs claimed.Except this isn't a hypothetical, this actually happened, it's what the South Sea Company back in the 18th century did.
>>730920736You do understand corporations are the biggest customers for government regulatory legislation right.
>>730915953Hot take: I think government should stop bailing companies with unsustainable business strategies so they'd all go out of bankrupt as they're supposed to whenever their business no longer make sense. Instead of limping on like a zombie business. Let the investment firms gamble on these businesses instead trying to turn a profit
>>730919928If AI as it is today is cutting your workload in half, you don't have a real job.
>>730920736>I would have liked for there to be some legislation to keep things like this from happeningThis was never going to happen. AI has military applications. No country would kneecap themselves in a literal arms race.
>>730920727By 'post scarcity' most are referring to what is required in maslow's hierarchy of needs. Not necessarily infinite resources. Which itself is absurd. Because you can always get more of something and therefore gain more power over others. Satisfying the human condition is fairy tale.
>>730920462>you forgot jeets>they want it is because they get paid to develop it>70iq browniggers>those who stand gain monetarily
>>730917576You don't need OpenAI or any cloud gpu services for that. You can just run locally.
>>730920870This is an ice cold take.And it will never happen. The last time we got close the powers that be began enacting the largest cultural subversion campaign ever seen to get everyone to shut the hell up about bank bailouts.
>>730915512This poster is a commie agitator
>>730919039China is doing better than the US despite globo homos constantly seething at it. I know like 5 people that fled to china because it's cheaper and they're living great lives and covered in bitches. And they also keep their immigration in check. And they also post whatever they want online with a VPN. I'm actually seriously considering moving over there if this shit gets any worse. Fighting the globo homos in the USA is impossible at this point unless half the country comes together in the next 10 years.
>>730920901Post-scarcity by definition requires infinite resources. Scarcity MEANS finite resources. Stop making up retarded bullshit.
>>730920962>China is doing better than the USThe chinese economy is dependent on US and other foreign currencies as backing to stabilize itself and has still consistently been on the brink of economic collapse repeatedly for the last several years.China's economy is probably the single worst place to flee into if you're predicting US economic downturn.
>>730920978Maybe if those making these arguments weren't arguing in bad faith I wouldn't have to bring up the uncomfortable truth. There is segment of the population who does not mean what they say.
>>730921030Maybe just use words correctly instead of jacking off about how important you are for not doing that or whatever.
>>730920812>Fractional reserves have never been necessary to secure life staples, and cannot beyes it is and can. Its not about producing value out of nowhere, but about not allowing value to stagnate in assets without being transformed and manipulated. The creation of house morgages in Britain unlocked immense amount of potential value that was once locked up in property and helped to allow Britian to become wealthy and dominant. Its not about creating something from nothing, but not allowing value to be restrained by the confines of a singular vessel.
>"surely MTL has gotten better over the years right?">check out an MTL doujin on sadpanda>it's still unreadable dogshit that can't even keep character's names straightYOU TOLD ME THERE WOULD BE GOOD TRANSLATIONS. YOU TOLD ME WE WOULD BE FREE OF TROONSLATORSWHERE ARE THE GOOD TRANSLATIONS, TECHBROS, WHERE ARE THEY?
>>730921029Yes if in fact the whole world is nuked China will be in big trouble. But I'm going to assume all global trade is not going to suddenly disappear.
>>730921074Fractional reserve banking cannot do anything to address scarcity of real wealth (goods and services) it is simply a means of exponentially increasing liquidity of money to allow transacting for available goods and services, which is not at all necessary for upholding quality of life no matter how much Keynesian pedophile koolaid you drink.
>>730921071If (you) want to be a dullard that is not my problem. But I think you're just feigning ignorance.
>>730921078Coming any day now sir trust the plan sir give money for investment sir.
>>730921130The tacit equivocation of the US economy with all global trade is telling.
>>730920476Just say it's writing your papers, buddy.
>>730921078if saars can learn English you can learn nippon
>>730921078Nigga don't you think we'd have cracked algorithmic translation long ago if languages could be translated with simple probability?
>>730921223Not that anon, but the only reason I got my comptia certs was because I used chatgpt. I didn't learn shit. I'm not defending AI btw, I think it's awful.
>>730915512/v/'s hubris finally catching up with them lelmaol
>>730919760You think electricity, which had an immediately established problem that it addressed, is even remotely like the scam that is AI? You are this fucking stupid?
>>730921285Just let him get deeply emotionally invested in another early adoption tech bubble. Some people are beyond saving.
>>730921272I have cousins going through college right now and they're telling me they're not learning anything. They have chatgpt writing the papers and they go behind it to change it into their own words so it doesn't get flagged by the professor's ai checker. In 10 years the workforce is going to be filled with "educated" retards.
>>730921078>some thirdie who speaks neither nippon or english runs raw text without context through some shitty free model and does nothing to fix errors>obviously produces garbage>"Wtf I can't fap to this! This whole field is useless!"
>>7309210782 more weeks
>>730921078I have seen some decent MTL on sadpanda, and people still shat on it in comments, just because they saw MTL in the title.Then again, the kind of person who usually uses MTL is also someone who does not care about quality, so most of the times they won't even proofread shit even if you could easily fix the translation up a bit.
>>730921375... nigga where have you been like the last 2-3 decades.
>>730921182Let's be frank, if the US stock market crashes everyone is going to suffer for it. But right now China handles plenty of it's own production for the rest of the world, not just the US. There is not going to be some scenario where if USA hits great depression 2.0 there is going to be any country unaffected by it. But if you're afraid of famine, penny pinching, and police state enforcement, the US will look like that when the depression happens except all the globo homos will not have to suffer with it. Meanwhile China forces it's own globo homos to contribute or they get jailed or fined. Which would I rather see? (Also I know you're going to say why does China have billionaires, it's because it uses a mixed capitalist economy because it has to trade with a mostly capitalist world, it's unavoidable)
>>730915421Why does it feel like the world has gotten exponentially more greedy with money? I know there's always been greed but it feels like especially since covid it's just gotten a fuck ton worse and just keeps getting worse every year.
>>730921272Don't worry, anon, the professors are using AI to make their powerpoints and quizzes. No, I'm not joking.
Every country is moving towards a more police-like state. AI will be used against you when you're a troublesome member once Palantir gets online and running. You don't like something and are very vocal about it. Uh oh here's a deepfake AI video of you doing something horrible. You're now being tried in court where half the jurors would answer the breakfast question by saying "they had breakfast this morning." So I would highly doubt they'd be able to differentiate if a video is real and not AI.
>>730915421futures contracts are a bitch
>>730921476>But right now China handles plenty of it's own production for the rest of the worldChina is an export economy because it does not have the technological or human capital to run an import economy. If the US fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, China would immediately need to shutter the vast majority of its own economy since there would be no more demand for shit-tastic steel and cheap electronics, and literally billions of people would starve in the time it would take to retool, retrain/educate, and completely shift economic investment on that scale into satisfying domestic goods and services. It would be the Great Leap Forward 2.0
>>730921539It is not physically possible to do this. It is not. How many times does it have to be stated the electrical cost is physically impossible. The United States is FORTY TIMES THE SIZE OF GERMANY. IT IS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE.
>>730921631No dude the US is becoming a police state where the most crime-ridden population centers actively refuse to detain criminals and hand out drugs for free. Its just like muh 1984!
>>730921147>Fractional reserve banking cannot do anything to address scarcity of real wealthcorrect. It simply facilitates the acquisition and trade of those resources more easily on the macro level.Its hypothetically possible to have good quality of life with non-liquid assets, but it is substantially more difficult, thus why it was largely DROPPED and any competitive post medieval economic system had it like in europe, otherwise it was dominated by a system with it like what happened to india.You learn about this in any history of fiscal policy.
>>730921631Oh, so this is why they are literally putting up AI powered palantir cameras in the US? Because its not possible?
>>730921691The very same cameras that are very easy to hack and can be fucking tricked with a little bit of noise? The ones that have a CV margin error of 10%+? THOSE cameras?
>>730921756If they're so easy to hack and set up then why are they spending so much money on them?
>>730920413>the rich should be subject to a 95% tax rate>that's shit though>no it's not, they can get around itThen what's the fucking point in the first place? It just punishes the honest ones and gives them an incentive to fall to corruption.
>>730921685>Its hypothetically possible to have good quality of life with non-liquid assets, but it is substantially more difficult,This is only the case because you are defining quality of life by one's ability to make purchases with liquid money. Its a circular argument. Yes, without FRB it is much more difficult for me to buy the all-new Toyota Tacoma at a retardedly high markup. That doesn't really tell us anything, because surprise surprise, in a world without FRB basic incentive structures would push us to solve the same problems without needing all-new toyota tacomas.Quality of life being measured by consumption metrics is arbitrary and likely a byproduct of Keynes' personal hedonism.
>>730920430maybe just stop scamming people all the time, pajeetizzat isn't real
>>730921617China made more money trading to every other country besides the US just last year:>China’s exports ended last year with a growth spurt and sent its trade surplus to a record $1.2 trillion in 2025, extending a boom that’s seen factories escape Donald Trump’s tariffs by making deeper inroads into markets beyond the US.
>>730920476>It's pretty helpful for studying if you're a student, which I amDo you mean for learning, or for having it write your work for you?If you're using it to learn, how do you account for it giving you incorrect answers? Don't you just have to double check everything?Do you get it to quiz you or something?I avoid AI like the plague but I'm genuinely curious about using it to improve my learning
>>730921790Because we are led by a bunch of stupid old fools that do not have any understanding of technology and refuse to actually educate or allow themselves to be replaced by the educated. I know this is hard for you to believe, but the cunts that represent us are being conned.
>>730921914And china has more people in it than the rest of the entire planet. Do you genuinely not know how per capita works.
>>730920702>tantamount to magicSlopmancy isn't a branch of magic I care about
So you're waiting for the AI bubble to burst? Just like you waited for the web3 'bubble' to burst? How'd that work out for you?
>>730920962China is communist in name only, isn't it?
>>730922002... that is how bubbles work yes. I mean you can short the bubble if you have the money to speculate. Problem is government money is very deeply involved in the current tech bubble so it can be sustained for far longer.
>>730921937>I know this is hard for you to believe, but the cunts that represent us are being conned.NTA but I have no trouble believing that we are run by retards who have no clue what they're doing
>>730922035China might be the only genuinely fascist country right now, in that it is fully State Capitalist with little separation in private and public life.
>>730922035It's a mixed economy. The rest of the world is too. Capitalist production but the rest is communist. The US is also a mixed economy too. We're not true capitalism, we're finance capitalism.
>>730915738>The concept of stock having to be made to fill an order that has been made is treated as though the entire situation is imaginary by you retardsBecause at this moment in time it actually is. OAI is doing this to fuck over its competition and disrupt the market in a way that's beneficial to its long-term goals of dominating personal computing. The actual use of this reserved RAM as a resource is for the most part theoretical.
>>730922112>finance capitalismHoly shit new leftcringe buzzword just dropped.
>>730922110It has the good parts of fascism though. Any country that has to apply force to it's public to maintain order is technically fascist.
>>730922112>finance capitalismViscerally disgustingI'm going to use this term more, I had trouble defining the distinction between capitalism and the bullshit we have now
>>730922163Are you being retarded on purpose?It's an actual thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finance_capitalism
>>730915421>playing video games is more important than advancing technology
>>730922172Yeah like the dogshit fucking terrible GDP/c and the buildings made of rice and the barricading people in their homes during covid and the social credit score.Collectivism of any shade is fucking retarded.
>>730922163NTA but no, most leftists I've encountered would be denouncing all capitalism and pushing communism insteadFinance capitalism has nuance and is a good way to put it,
>>730922228>don't work to help your communityYou were made to stay home during covid too. China got weeks of paid vacation days for it, did you?
>>730922219>cites wikipediaI'm gonna pukeGood cringe anon>>730922220Unironically yes.
>>730922220>advancing technology is always good and should come at any cost, especially if it's you eating the cost, peasant
>>730922279>can't readYour loss.
>>730922267>unironic chang tanky trying to spin China barricading people in their apartments and letting them starve to death as goodI am fucking laffin
>>730920962yeah man, you can really own globohomo by getting sent to reeducation camp for complaining about emperor winnie making you quarantine during an outbreak his scientists caused, too
>>730922228>Collectivism of any shade is fucking retardedI agree, but on the other hand in the west we're TOO atomizedAuthoritarian collectivism is fucked, but it'd be nice if we could voluntarily collectivize a little bit
>>730915421Cool it with the antisemitism.>hexagram captcha
>>730922314>>730922319>falling for the propaganda machine
>>730921826>This is only the case because you are defining quality of life by one's ability to make purchases with liquid money.no it even works in terms of macro economics transferring x billon liters of y to z location for various interests. It facilitates economic motion on all levels. Even if we were all monastic monks who all voluntarily own nothing and are happy eating 2 bowls of pottage a day and dew from tree leaves, a fractional reserve system would still be oil on the gears of reciprocity.In fact, in some ways, potential wealth is a glorious icon of the perfect form of God himself, and a continual progression towards ultimate being and reality coming to know itself through the lense of smaller particulars working towards a greater whole. Where Hegel blinks, Marx listens and Land shifts as Smith plows. Or however the Welt is Geisted.
>>730922323>i agreeNo you don't. You literally disagreed in the next sentence. You're so retarded you don't even know what side you're on.>durr we're too atomized in the west even tho I am forced to subsidize niggers and boomers with 40% of my gross annual income hurrStfu
>>730922353tiananmen square
>>730915421Anyone who is okay with this is fundamentally a cuckold. You are being fucked out of affordable technology for the sake of massive corporations and their (((investors))). Not only that, these corporations are receiving government handouts. They are using YOUR tax dollars to fuck you out of being able to afford hardware. If you don't have a problem with that you're a pathetic fucking cuck who would let jewish billionaires fuck your girlfriend if they asked.
>>730922381>It facilitates economic motion on all levels.And it is an arbitrary, ideological stance that economic 'motion' as you put it is tantamount to quality of life. You are just spouting naked, Keynesian line-go-upism.
>>730921631Not everywhere but in major cities we already have flock cameras collecting camera data into a federally accessible database. They keep tabs on every license plate individually. You are safe in the boonies just don't go in any government buildings.
>>730922391>You literally disagreed in the next sentenceNo, I clarified that forced collectivism is bad>durr we're too atomized in the west even tho I am forced to subsidize niggers and boomers with 40% of my gross annual income hurrI'm not talking about government mandated shit. I'm talking about actually working together and maintaining a sense of cultural identity, and being harsher against people who work to subvert it
>>730922436You're a little confused but you got the spirit.The problem is you're mad at the corporation for following its incentive structure and not the government for fucking robbing you and creating all these retarded incentive structures.
Just so you know izzat isnt real and you need to lay down in front of the juggernaut aka local train so itll kill you itll bring great honor to your family
>>730922394There is no way to argue with reactionary retards that cherry pick incidences and then don't realize the USA does that to make you be retarded like this. I can also cherry pick every instance of police state enforcement in the US and the US still has every other country beat for human rights violations at the hands of their military police and alphabet letters.
>>730922471>I'm talking about actually working together and maintaining a sense of cultural identityThis isn't a real thing, the concept of collective identities is propaganda that only dates back to early modernity.
>>730915670They provide a service that is useful to the government. Do you?
>>730922502>and the US still has every other country beat for human rights violations at the hands of their military police and alphabet letters.Because the US actually admits it when that happens, chang.
>>730922502There's enough genuine smoke about authoritarian overreach in China for me to be sure there's a fire. Obviously it's impossible to know if all of it is true, but it's not hard to piece together a picture.I mostly mentioned tianenmen square to see if it would force you to go offline kek
>>730917576The true purpose of AI is to prevent an incel uprising by pacifying them with AI gfs
>>730922440>ideological stance that economic 'motion' as you put it is tantamount to quality of lifeIs it? unless you mean spiritually, I am refering to all aspects of the physical transactional world. Wether that be exponential in growth or some kind of controlled system.
>>730916039>>730919206The worst part is that you americans allow this to happen and you'll keep letting it happen.
>>730922529>This isn't a real thing, the concept of collective identities is propaganda that only dates back to early modernity.I see your game now. You're disgusting.
So how about those somalies ripping off billions of dollars? God america is such a shitheap now lmao
>>730922492Corporations always fuck over the consumer (and the employee) for the sake of their shareholders and owners. And that fucking is only going to get worse because shareholders demand growth every quarter. Nothing can grow forever, including corporations. Eventually you stop being able to increase profits by acquiring new customers, and then the only way to increase profits is lowering the cost you pay for the product, increasing the price of the product, using planned obsolescence to make customers buy more products, or all of them at the same time. The end result is lower quality products for higher prices.
>>730922502>the US still has every other country beat for human rights violationsnice try saarr, but not even fucking closeburgerstan still has a free press (for now...) which is the only reason you always hear about their bad behaviorbut again, by all means, go get yourself disappeared in pagodaville for laughing at a picture of the disney bear and tell me all about how much better it is
>>730922564>Because the US actually admits itNo it doesn't. It covers up as much as they can, more so than any other country. The shit with Epstein alone should have taught you that. Considering how much the US reports and how fucking much it covers up on top of that. The US is fucking hell on earth and it's getting worse.
>>730922602>to all aspects of the physical transactional worldthough even then, its not necissarily physical, even in terms of human communication and socialization we involve ourselves in social debt, credit, and potential. all with value and all useful. If you are a materialist of course you assume this can be reduced to a material sort of reserves as well, but if you are more of the idealist bent it could be seen as non-physical reserves as well.
>>730918030To btfo the competition. Remember xbox?>oh yeah daddy microshit, buy up those game dev companies! you're not going to produce any games with them? well who cares, it btfo'd snoys! hell yeah!
>>730922594Actually when on a VPN it blocks the firewall. That doesn't even work. I know because a friend of mine when to china on a trip to test it and no one gave a fuck.
>>730922002Web3 is it's own niche ecosystem used by and for cryptobros. It didn't go mainstream like they wanted. If it did we'd see Ubisoft Quartz, and all the other publishers still trying to put NFTs and tokens in games.
>>730922703>burgerstan still has a free pressIf by free you mean with full on Israel influence, sure.
>>730922602And now you're just ideobabbling.Look, it is not even conceptually possible to say that a modern person with credit cards and access to loans to buy a Toyota Tacoma is living at a better quality of life than some French peasant in 1382. This is an entirely subjective evaluation, and so it will always be entirely informed by the philosophy of whoever passes judgment.Now it just so happens that the father of GDP masturbation was a pedophilic homosexual who openly embraced the goal of consuming as much as possible within his lifetime, and ever since his ideas were accepted into the mainstream things have gotten horribly bad in the West with increasing rapidity.So I'm gonna just make the judgment call that maybe his metrics for quality of life are dogshit and any arguments from them are also dogshit.
>>730922661Corporations just make profit in whatever is the most risk-safe way.>>730922707Epstein was a mossad operation.
>>730922834>Corporations just make profit in whatever is the most risk-safe way. Which almost always, eventually, ends up being "fuck the consumer and/or our own employees.">Epstein was a mossad operation.And like the good goyim they are, American politicians and MIGAtards cover for them.
>>730915421whoa.. deep, capitalism bad and shit right? damn
>>730915512bodied that gaytheist
>>730915421Get a job brokie
>>730922895>Which almost always, eventually, ends up being "fuck the consumer and/or our own employees."Well, no. Businesses can only get away with being blatantly anti-consumer if they are insulated from the risks of competition and bad decisionmaking. So again it goes back to the dominant strategy of sucking the tax thief's nuts to get corporate welfare and regulatory insulation.
>>730922492Corporations pay the government to do that for them.
>>730923020Tax thievery predates corporate structures entirely.
AI can be useful but it's nowhere close to what's being promised to investors.
>>730922803>This is an entirely subjective evaluation, and so it will always be entirely informed by the philosophy of whoever passes judgmentOk so you mean more philosophicaly. I thought we were talking more quantitatively. given the thread is about a physical product. Though at that point, I think fractional reserves has less to do about the philosophy of it in itself. Its about how you employ it in whatever kind of systems or values you embrace. With great fiscal power comes great fiscal responsibility or something said the great stock broker spiderman once.
>>730922997You're assuming that consumers always have an actual choice in the matter. Oftentimes they don't, because alternatives are either not available or are potentially even more expensive/lower quality. It's even harder because so many brands that appear to be alternatives are in fact all owned by the same company. And then there's always the problem of companies colluding with each other to keep prices high by agreeing to fix prices or to not compete with each other.
>>730923176Damn nigga you really just typed all those words just to not say a single damn thing.
>>730922559>useful service>the RAM wafers never end up providing any actual value and is used solely to fuck over everyone else
>>730923124And what's being promised to investors? Are you an investor?
>>730919719If you tax the richfags enough they'll just pull out investing your country entirely and set up shop in China.
>>730923180>Oftentimes they don't, because alternatives are either not available or are potentially even more expensive/lower quality.Because of regulatory practices that emerge from the corporate/state relationship. If no such barriers to entry existed then someone would just bring a cheaper or better version of the same product to market and eat whatever corporation's lunch. Corporations lobby the government to disable market competition, creating a risk- and competition-free environment.
Videogames used to be white only hobby. The fact it becomes affordable is what allowed thirdie and other shithole to fill it
>>730923267I don't see the problem with that. If they want to lose out on a major market then good riddance. Other businesses will fill the gaps.
>>730921631Maybe they can use AI to design a fusion reactor that actually works to power some more AI.
>>730923397>Thank you for making everything more expensive, Israel!
>>730915421Do not worry the bubble will burst and all the ram prices will drop even lower than they ever been.
>>730923194I responded nothing to a guy who also said nothing and that it was "Subjective". I started on a more concrete note.But my lack of Adderall perhaps triggered a bio-Adderall response in my head causing me to act like I am on Adderall, perchance, or however the spoonful is sugared to help the medicine go down.
>>730915738>The concept of stock having to be made to fill an order that has been made is treated as though the entire situation is imaginary by you retardsIt is when the funding doesn't exist and Nutella already admitted that the datacenters can't use the existing stock they have now. They're literally just buying it to hold it. oh lemme guess this is a psyop too made by da jooooos, literally everything is fake or a psyop to you AI fellating retards.
>>730923502Empiricist fallacy.
>>730923284And with this knowledge, any time you see an ironic poster on /v/ or a shill-bot who ignores all replies to scream about Jews on /pol/, and they're talking about the "free market" or "freedom under capitalism", you can immediately disregard them as a flailing retard with a baby bottle of propaganda in their mouth-- free marketeering immediately incentivizes sectioning off and walling off enormous parts of the market and entering incestuous relationships with government, both local and federal, to entrench themselves into that government as a parasite
>>730923284Again, you're making a big assumption: that a company started to compete with a massive multinational corporation will actually succeed.Most businesses fail, and that's not because of the government. It's because building a successful business from the ground up is difficult and expensive. You'll likely need investors, and those investors are going to demand that you maximize your profit - which is eventually going to mean fucking over the consumer and/or your employees.Or your larger competitor just buys the company and shuts it down.
I like how every AI thread just turns the discussion into "Well how does this make hooked-nosed kikes the most money? And how does it make GDP look bigger?" and not what kind of practical use any of it has or if any of the hardware is even being used to you shabbos goy little shits who don't even care about games or computing, just making your gods in Israel the most money. >HURRRRR BUT HOW DOES THIS MAKE BUSINESSES THE MOST MONEY I don't care. They don't have the money nor the stock to be making these orders to begin with. You should oppose it on practical grounds alone, not because it makes Goldberg lots of money on paper (which you will have to bail out when paper meets reality)
>>730923473Yeah just like the housing bubble will burst after house prices double in the past 6 years. Any day now.
AI itself is not the problem, it's how the money flow of it's "development" is being handled and it can end one of two ways, government buy out quietly swept under the rug and then taxes rise significantly or a full stock crash they can't cover up. It's not going to end any other way. And this video explains it:https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/AI_Jan_15_2026:2Also a lot of it will be Nivida's fault for the fucking AI chips.
>>730923554Shareholders and the stock exchange are awful systems and should be abolished
>>730915512>All those seething and malding replies Fpbp as always
>>730923620Their initial idea was to spread investment across all classes and the goal was for that money to be used in the growth of the business. Nowadays shareholders are more like vultures picking the next victim to cannibalize for easy meat.
>>730923661congratulated his own post again award
>>730923531>the free market is when the government does stuffAre you stupid
>>730923520I have never empiricised in my life.
>>730923618>government buy out quietly swept under the rug and then taxes rise significantlySo thats not going to happen because they contradict themselves. Career suicide for any political Party, even as entrenched ones as the Big Two in US. Bubble burst and AI company crash is much more likely because they're already insulated from a lot of financial infastructure. Banks denied OpenAI loans because data center GPUs and CPUs lose all their value in 2-5 years and therefore are not good enough collateral.
glad i got a 5080 for under 1kglad i have a 7800x3dglad i have 32gb ddr5
>>730923721No, idiot, the best-case scenario for a capitalistic free market is a company in a given sector becomes an unstoppable giant who actively chokes out other companies and courts governments to codify itself into law. Like how it's not legal to drive a motor vehicle without insurance from a company not directly affiliated with the federal government in the USA.
>>730923673>Their initial idea was to spread investment across all classesWhich was shortsighted as fuck, honestly. Of course the people with obscene amounts of money are going to squeeze out the retail investors. Just like big companies squeeze out small businesses. And then they get more money, so they can squeeze us out even more effectively. It snowballs, and in the end wealth just ends up increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few child-raping elites.
>>730921029>brink of economic collapse2 more weeks
>>730923554Most businesses do not fail. Entrepreneurs are actually successful more often than not, because they are playing with extreme risk which weeds out bad decisionmakers and retards. Also, deliberately leaving the market when it is not currently viable to compete is an option smaller businesses with less investment have that larger business do not, because they are leveraged.Remember, if competition did not naturally destroy large corporations, their entire business strategy would not revolve around eliminating competition.
>>730915518This. We need to accelerate.
>>730915421video game market crash in 2026, calling it now
>>730923816Goes to show the idea for "trickle-down economics" was already being practiced long before it entered Reagan's diseased head
>>730920674>People are seething now because they expect the equivalent of the Internet as it is today to manifest in the 70sThe corporations are investing trillions of dollars in a new technology, lessening the quality of day to day life for people, because THEY'RE the ones who are in a hurry. They are jacking off to the idea of firing you.
>>730923794And again, you're attributing a problem with state regulation to FREE markets.What do you think the free in 'free market' means?It means fucking unregulated.
>>730915512based (You) farmer
>>730923620even as someone who has a lot of money invested in that system i say that system is bullshiti "made" more "money" on the market today scratching my ass, than i made at my job, which is frankly stupidthese profits only even exist in the first place because they fuck workers over and don't pay them what they're worthand since corpocrats are always clutching their pearls about their lazyass employees not working hard enough, it's because they have no incentive to, they get fucked no matter how hard they workmore companies should give employees shares of ownership so there's actual incentive for them to give a damn about the company they work for (and maybe nvidia employees could afford the $10000 cards they make)
>>730923828large corporations don't try to destroy other large corporations or eachother, they enter back-stage agreements almost constantly. it's kayfabe
>>730923897... which they do in order to freeze out any form of organic competition.I can't make this any fucking easier for you.
>>730923828Most (((entrepreneurs))) are already wealthy in the first place, which is why they can afford to start a business and eat the losses they're bound to incur in the early years.Best case scenario? A new company beats out an old company and becomes dominant in the market... and then because the line MUST always go up, they start fucking the consumer and their own employees to squeeze more profit out of the company to keep investors happy. Rinse and repeat.
>>730923871It's called a free market because you have to be free of gray-matter to believe unregulated markets are a good idea
>>730923926The point is that competition doesn't help consumers when the competitors collude with each other. Which they do, all the time.
>>730923931>which is why they can afford to start a business and eat the losses they're bound to incur in the early years.Anon, that doesn't even make sense. If you are already wealthy why would you choose to eat a loss for years instead of doing literally anything else.You are not going to be able to understand economic reality until you get past attributing every action by people you dislike to cartoon villain logic.
>>730923926they don't do it to freeze any "real" competition, that implies real competition even exists past a certain pay-grade or company sizethey do it because catching eachothers' corporate cum is more profitable than actually competing
>>730923992... which they do in order to freeze out organic competition.Do you just type because you like seeing your own words on the screen or>>730923954>unregulated markets are a bad idea because of things that happen in regulated marketsGive me your keys anon you're stupid.
>>730923995>If you are already wealthy why would you choose to eat a loss for years instead of doing literally anything else.Video games board so ask Sony and Microsoft
>>730924016>corporations don't freeze out competition to force consistent low risk profits, they just freeze out competition to force consistent low risk profitsAnon what the FUCK
>>730923995Because you'll make it back later if the business is successful?But please go ahead and explain how an average person is supposed to start a business that can actually compete with large, established corporations when the average person barely has enough money to pay their mortgage.
>>730924036Unregulated markets are a bad idea because they instantly become regulated and the actual fight is to see who can regulate themselves into law the fastest. Please find an economic model that doesn't function on fucking magic and unicorn wishes. There is no scenario where a free market will actually be "truly" free for more than five minutes.
>>730924043If you think Sony or Microsoft are A: entrepreneursB: realizing a loss on their shitty gamesC: not massively profiteering off IP regulationsThen I can't reason with you
>>730924036>which they do in order to freeze out organic competition. Yes... which means there is effectively no organic competition. You hate regulations, so how do you propose we stop corporations from doing this?
>>730919714>greatly increases job openings over the long termThis did not happen.
>>730922559Taxes?
>>730924079Can you name me one (1) unregulated market where this happened?And even if you could, what you're saying is the same as saying clean drinking water is a bad idea because someone will inevitably come take a shit in it, like the problem is not the guy coming and taking the shit.>>730924078... you're fucking illiterate.
>>730924104>B: realizing a loss on their shitty games>C: not massively profiteering off IP regulationsI am adoring the implication that Horizon is indirectly super-profitable even though it costs an enormous amount to make and is a flop every time it gets put out
>>730922559The government exists to serve the people, not the other way around.
>>730924113>there is no such thing as competition>thats why corporations worked with the government to freeze out competition and spend billions lobbying on regulation annuallyAnon what the FUCK
>>730924159>Can you name me one (1) unregulated market This would be an actual harder question than asking "where it happened."
>>730920002>40x the energy costNah I don't feel tired at all, actually
>>730923995anon, what do you think an investment is? where do you find one that produces a profit immediately, and why hasn't anyone bought it already? holy fucking retard.
>>730922935AI shills pandering to things they don't actually believe in to prop up their valueless ponzi scheme for one more day
>>730915738A year from now there will be so much buyers regret they will default on these loans.
>>730924192they aren't in bed with government to "freeze competition" they're in bed with government to try and become government
>>730924159>... you're fucking illiterate.Oh okay so you can't actually explain how an average joe entrepreneur is meant to compete with companies like Nvidia, Microsoft, Google, Nestle, AT&T, United Health, etc.
Banks are the government in the USA and there is no way to fix it at this point unless the world is nuked and we start over again. I don't even think hard right and hard left coming together to hate on Israel would work. One thing lefties never mention (and the right suspiciously enough) is Charlie Kirk was non-stop shitting on Israel right before he died even saying he was going to encourage miggers to fight Israel and take America back. Then he's dead.
>>730924164Its not that Horizon makes the IP holders tons of money, its that the IP holders are so thoroughly insulated from competition that they can turn losses on individual IP and still grow off inertia in the long run.
>Anti-semitic dogwhistle thread has over 300 repliesShame on all of you. Im reporting this thread to ICE.
>>730915512
Everyone knows the first gen of AI are profit driven models that don't give a shit about people except for a few white listed.
>>730924192Corporations don't need the government to collude with each other you dumb fuck.
>>730924232... nigger my whole point is that those companies have engineered a situation where you cannot.Are you FUCKING dumb anon. Jesus.>>730924229Incorrect. Shareholders would not tolerate Sony running at a 30 trillion dollar deficit.
>>730920702>photoshop but fast>magicanon I pity your complete lack of wonder. I bet you unironically say abra-cadabra like a fucking dork.
>>730924232especially with nestle operating largely off of slavery, their worst kept open secret
>>730919790Newfags are retarded and don't know how to recognize art when they see it.
>>730924256aren't those guys getting bullied out of minneapolis right now?
>>730924278They do actually. Trusts are just later-stage monopolies. Without any regulatory barriers to entry there'd be too much volatility in market share in most industries to make significant collusion feasible.>>>730924214Anon what do you think an opportunity cost is
>>730924341It's a tie on both sides in terms of who is being bullied right now.
>>730924291>... nigger my whole point is that those companies have engineered a situation where you cannot. >Are you FUCKING dumb anon. Jesus. Even if all regulations magically vanished forever, an average person is still not going to be able to start a business that can compete with fucking international megacorporations. Because the problem there is not regulations, its a lack of startup capital. How are you supposed to start a competitor to a company like Nvidia or Microsoft without having tens, possibly hundreds, of millions of dollars to spend? You have to buy equipment, buy real estate, pay employee salaries. That's a lot easier if you're just starting some mom and pop diner, but that isn't the kind of business that we're talking about here.
>>730924415whatever they're doing they're allergic to being filmed and they FUCKING HATE IT when the locals learn they can fight back
>>730923617houses are actually needed, retard fuck
>>730915421Literally every business plans and orders ahead of time. All businesses require an investment of equity and/or loans as seed capital, and to bridge the period between purchasing inputs and selling goods and services. Every new product or service did not have demand for it prior to its existence: there was no demand for car parts and synthetic textiles in the 1700s.The body of the meme is something utterly trivial dressed up as something profound for smoothbrains.
Claude code is the most fun videogame I've played in 10 years
>>730922559>They provide a service that is useful to the governmentAnd which one would that be?
>>730924449https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent-totalsMost multinational corporations receive billions in federal subsidies annually.Without corporate welfare, their size and logistical complexity is actually an enormous weakness.
>>730915421kys
>>730924449And to answer your question more directly, without regulation unlicensed clones of their products would flood every market cutting prices on virtually everything dramatically and destroying their investments.
>>730917915Of course it's possible for the economy to rise infinitely. Do you think we are going to run out of Milky Way and Universe? Exhaust the resources of the Local Group down to the last atom in Triangulum?
>>730924528You still aren't explaining how an average person is supposed to start a company that can compete with corporations like Nvidia. Removing regulations won't magically make EUV lithography machines affordable for an aspiring entrepreneur.
>>730923617Look, I may have panicked during a bidding war and paid 50k over asking for a shitty split ranch, but Im still going to make a profit on it. Even if that means putting it back on the market for 800k. If you cant buy it, some shitstain from Manhattan will.
>>730924571But you still need money to buy the equipment to build the knockoffs. You still need money to pay the salaries of skilled employees.
>>730919059>>730920192There is so scarcity of any thing in the Solar System and Milky Way.
>>730924601>Removing regulations won't magically make EUV lithography machines affordable for an aspiring entrepreneur.I can personally guarantee you it would. I can personally guarantee you a significant amount of the cost of whatever the fuck EUV Lithography machines are is a product of regulatory price fixing.
>>730919556Why lmfao? Who the fuck uses telescope?
>>730924650>You still need money to pay the salaries of skilled employeesGoogle "China" and get back to me.
>>730924706the country where your assets are seized and your license to do business dissolved if you're caught fucking around and trying to business your way into becoming royalty or government, so CEOs over in china aren't insane like american ones are?
>>730924669>one of the most advanced and intricate pieces of engineering ever developed by man is only expensive because of regulations>no I don't know what it even is, but trust me bro, its the regulations>>730924706So we're all supposed to work for slave wages?
>>730924750... do you think China's enormous knockoff industry runs on skilled labor, anon? Did you have a stroke and forget how to read where I quoted your post?
>>730924808The lack of skilled employees is why all Chinese products are fucking garbage.
>>730924804>>one of the most advanced and intricate pieces of engineering ever developed by man is only expensive because of regulations>>no I don't know what it even is, but trust me bro, its the regulationsYes.>So we're all supposed to work for slave wages?Cost of living would dramatically plummet without regulation, and so an unregulated average wage would also fall, albeit more slowly. This is just basic cause and effect. And that's without getting into inflation.
reminder that the global economy revolves around people gambling with huge amounts of made up money that doesn't exist outside of made up numbers on a computer
Computers will become unaffordable forever in <12 months. This is the last year you can enjoy gaming.
>>730922220Yes, video games are more important, read Bataille. The purpose of existence is sumptuary expenditure. The sun provdes us with more energy than we can ever need or use, our duty is to wastefully spend that energy.
>>730920915>you can just run locallyI still have my 1080. I have DDR4 16GB that is about 5 years old now.Yes, I can - and did - generate a lot of shit with SD 1.5, but that's all I can do. Additionally, I have to train LORAs to generate my specific concepts, which is a bitch to do even on higher VRAM / RAM setups. The cloud models are trained on the proverbial history of the universe which includes them, and even if they don't, a reference image is usually enough.With LLMs, sure I can run Mistral nemo instruct gguf, and the quality is oookay, but waiting 1-2 minutes per output gets tiring. Then try running anything with a big lorebook attached.Local just doesn't compare. At least not yet, but doubtful if we'll ever get there.
>>730924825China lacks skilled employees because it is a third world nation with an enormous population and overly centralized social institutions that can't handle the load.But again you've had a stroke. We were discussing whether you need skilled labor to produce clones of existing products and undercut large, malinvested corporations.You do not.
>>730924881There's an argument to be made that this is happening on purpose. Look how unfriendly to the customer windows has become
>>730924808Why wouldn't it? Plastic, glass, metal and electronics manufacturing aren't unskilled labor when you don't like that the worker has slanty eyes. American companies are ordering that shit or you wouldn't see it in corner stores.
>>730924959>Plastic, glass, metal and electronics manufacturing aren't unskilled laborYes they are. Factory work is and has always been primarily unskilled labor.
>>730923507>everything input in a business is perfectly matched and balancedReally, go into the real world. Every business warehouses part of their inputs, while other inputs are rate-limiting. It's something utterly trivial and common to every business: the corner store runs out Coke while it has pallets of Fanta out back.
>>730924854>Yes. So you're retarded and are talking out of your ass.>Cost of living would dramatically plummet without regulation, and so an unregulated average wage would also fall, albeit more slowly. This is just basic cause and effect. And that's without getting into inflation.You know what else would dramatically plummet without regulation? Quality of life. Hope you don't mind letting your kids play with toys covered in lead paint. Hope you don't mind having to pay a corporation for bottled water because another corporation dumped toxic waste into your local aquifer. Hope you like foodborne toxins and diseases because a corporation decided to save some money by skimping on proper sterilization. Hope you like dying in a building fire because the company decided to save money by not putting in a sprinkler system or enough fire exits. Hope you like your house burning down because the construction company decided to save money by using the wrong wire gauge.
They're doing this so you can't run local AI. They realized 16GB was too much and you vill consume the 8GB VRAM and 32GB of DDRetard speed ram. Yes we should let a single company owned by one of... them to buy half of the worlds inventory of consumer grade parts and we won't even consider it as inflationary either we will just roll it out of the basket and say your alternative is a 2013 era smart phone.>had a 9800X3D, 96GB of ram, and a 5070 TI in cart a few months ago but held off on order so stuck on a 6700k/16GB ram/1060 TII'm overcome with rage every day and I encourage TPTB to fix this shit ASAP but they won't because this is by design, if this goes on for years we are going to see a lot of angry nerds.
>>730924994Seems you're scrabbling to shit on the Chinese while ignoring they're the world's biggest manufactory. Hell, crap wares on Temu are objectively more than American manufacturing can answer to with similar or better products since we have no real mass manufacturing infrastructure for anything that's not corn, meat or junk food, and China has a better likelihood of the worker not being a prisoner who works for slave wages or for nothing.
>>730924927You do need skilled labour or your clones will be pieces of shit just like China's clones are.
>>730923828This simply not true. Most business fail within a few years, this is an empirical reality that is tracked by tax and company filing statements. Profit is a reward for taking on risk, and there is great risk of failure in business (for the equity holders and creditors, that is).
>>730915421Tulip Hysteria.
>>730924862In the next 100 years at some point, people will have had enough and will show these people sitting in their shitty offices that a fist to the face can't be stopped by speculating it away
>>730923897Business regularly attempt sabotage each other. Sabotage is the norm in business. Read Veblen, or simply look at what the US is doing to Chinese tech groups: Huawei, Tiktok, DJI etc.
>>730925069>if the government doesn't tell me what to do I will buy bread made of zyklon-b and die>people are evil so we need a government made by people to regulate peopleI'm not even going to address the economic retardation of this scenario I'm just gonna say skill issue.
>>730925143He's a child who has yet to grow out of worshipping the wealthy. He genuinely believes that the most advanced technology in the world is only expensive because of regulations, and that without regulations the average joe like you or me could afford to set up a fucking semiconductor fab.
>>730925143>most businesses fail within a few yearsIn the current heavily regulated, high barrier to entry economy designed to insure most competition fails, yes. That's why they did that.
>>730923931Entrapreneurs rarely use their own money, why would they risk there own money when they can use other peoples money? They borrow money from banks and sell portions of equity to investors.
>>730925248How are you supposed to know if the food is poisonous if the company isn't required by regulations to tell you what's in it? Wait and see if anyone else who bought it dies?
>>730925298And if it doesn't work out, the government will bail them out
>>730925298And now we're right back to having a company controlled by investors, who are naturally going to try and extract as much profit from that company as possible, by any means necessary. Such as fucking over consumers and employees.
>>730925314Wow, it sounds like verifying that food is safe to eat is a service that would be in high demand in an unregulated environment.Also what the fuck makes you think the federal government is not actively poisoning you? The US is still flouridating public drinking water despite decades of research showing that flouride exposure retards brain development.
>>730925363... anon you do know that there are privately owned businesses that do not have shareholders right. Its called getting a fucking LOAN.
>>730924601You need to gain peoples confidence in your business model. As you lack any speciality in the industry, your best method will be to claim divine inspiration and raise a cult-like religious ferver to fleece equity investment for seed capital. This method has been used many times before.
>>730925369>just pay a company so you can know if you're buying poison or notAnd what stops this company from simply accepting a bribe from a poison-selling company to say that said company's products are safe? Oh... nothing.
>>730923284>If no such barriers to entry existed then someone would just bring a cheaper or better version of the same product to market and eat whatever corporation's lunch.Not how it works. In a free market if any company tries to do that, the big corpo responds by massive price reductions and selling their own products on a loss until all the competitors starve to death. Then they raise prices back up when consumers have no choice but to buy from them again. This already happened with De Beers diamonds and is the basic example of how "free market" would work.Completely free market is like anarchy, it exists for a very short time until the winners of the race change the rules for everyone and free market no longer exists. Anarchy always results in warlords and factions because group is always stronger than the individual.
>>730915421I voted for this
>>730925441>ah yes today I will spend my hard earned or borrowed money to set up a poison bread factory and kill all my own customersThis can only happen in a regulated environment because the economically retarded are the ones who need bailouts from the government.
>>730924480>whatever they're doing they're allergic to being filmedOn the contrary, the footage proved that they are the good guys in the story.>and they FUCKING HATE IT when the locals learn they can fight backYes. Resisting arrest is a crime, protecting a criminal is illegal and attempting to kill an officer is immoral.
>>730925404>hi mr. judenberg, I'm Joe Schmoe, I make $75,000 a year and own essentially nothing and I'd like to get a 100 million dollar loan so I can quit my day job and start a semiconductor company pleaseHow do you think that's gonna go over?
>>730925425Alternatively, trick or seduce some rich idiot that people trust for one reason or another. As a society, we put in inordinate amount of trust behind already successful people, even when they're speaking on topics that they have zero education or background on. Why the fuck should I listen to the likes of Elon Musk about the details of rocketry, car engineering, AI or satellite communication protocols? He has zero formal education in any of those fields, but has made a career out of borrowing the expertise of the people who actually build things and convincing other rich idiots that he knows what they did.
>>730924480>whatever they're doing they're allergic to being filmed and they FUCKING HATE IT when the locals learn they can fight backPolice don't like being attacked while enforcing the law, no
>>730924170Not the American or western or... Any at all?
>>730915421what's stopping people from just using the ram stick they already have?it's not like it's going to go bad or anything>REEEEEEEEE I CAN'T CONSOOMpathetic
>>730924927>because it is a third world nation No, it's a second world nation
>>730925326Very atypical, perhaps for a small set of major banks. In the case of AI the US government has become a major creditor and equity holder, so the tax payer will take a bath if the whole thing fails.
>>730925456>the big corpo responds by massive price reductions and selling their own products on a loss until all the competitors starve to deathNo, numb nuts. The larger corporation is leveraged, it cannot run at a loss indefinitely because it has fixed costs. The smaller businesses CAN run at losses or even leave the market entirely when it is unseasonable because they have less or no fixed costs (cottage industry). You have this relationship perfectly backwards.And even if a large corporation can afford to run a loss short-term, they are having to compete with a potentially endless number of smaller competitors undercutting them whenever possible. In the end the corporation has to just drop prices and disinvest long-term.
>>730924315>Newfags are retarded>m.jpg
>>730924480Anon, I cannot impress more firmly that we are nowhere near actual conflict. We're seeing protest and inconveniencing. It's brinksmanship and I hope for the sake of everyone involved it doesn't devolve into open conflict, because I'd like the US to stay away from the China Tienanmen dynamic.
>>730919716Post-scarcity brings stagnation because there is no need to compete for resources.
>>730925610A large corpo can run at a loss longer than basically any small business can stay solvent.
>>730925234>look at what the US is doing to Chinese tech groups: Huawei, Tiktok, DJI etc.That's not a good example; that's politics, not business.
>>730925492>the investors need us to increase profits by 2% next quarter>I know, we'll use lead to solder the cans for the food instead of tin, then we'll save 1 cent per can and our customers won't even notice until at least the next fiscal year!>hehe, yep, the board's definitely giving me a bigger bonus this year
>>730925528... anon you do understand this is literally how most businesses are started, yeah?
>>730925617That frog is the newfags' favorite.
>>730925671No, it fucking isn't. No bank is going to give a loan for more than your entire net worth so you can cover the costs for a fucking chip manufacturing facility.
>>730925650Anon the people who drive the most change in our world are the ones who have all their bases covered. Not having to compete for resources makes people able to pursue exploration and innovation because they don't have to worry about dying next week.
>>730922610this happens every single democratic country on earth
>>730925671Most businesses are small local ones. You aren't setting up a small local semiconductor factory. It's not a fucking mechanics shop or a restaurant or something.
>>730925723How exactly is AI going to bring about a post-scarcity utopia when literally everything is still in finite values. The only way to enforce post scarcity is efficiency and strict population control.
>>730924170>The government exists to serve the people but the government is the people.
>>730925664Small businesses can and should LEAVE THE MARKET when it is unseasonable. Calculating the exact point where a business should do this is an econ101 question. A corporation with large fixed costs cannot run at an indefinite loss as it tries to starve out a hundred cottage industries. Again, you have this relationship backwards.>>730925670>any fucker on the planet tests your cans for lead>company name is now mudGood job dumbfuck
>>730925669Bold of you to assume there is a separation of such in the US.
>>730925749Nah
>>730922935>Palantir CTO says AI doomerism is driven by a lack of religionThese guys just say the dumbest things don't they? Wouldn't religious people actually have a problem with AGI if/when they actually do achieve it? Depending on what exactly it's like when it's here, if it's anything like what we see in science fiction then it would be the closest thing to a god we'd know of. And that might not sit too well with neither theists nor atheists.
>>730915829keep an eye out for bankruptcy auctions, but most of that will be sold in private auctions for pennies on the dollar to the same group of people that went bankrupt in the first place. The game is rigged, anon, and they hate you and want you dead.
>>730925719>the bank is not going to give you a loan for more than your entire net worth to to oil prospecting
>>730925669Kek, very naive. It's the business of sabotage, and Team USA is very good at it.
>>730924521It's a pretty amazing propaganda tool 2bh. You can make a video that deboonks or prooves anything now in like 30 seconds.
>>730925771The large business can still run for longer than ANY of the small businesses can stay in the market. Saying "Well they should know when to shutter themselves" is just reinforcing my very point that there is no point at which small businesses can meaningfully compete.
>>730925797Yeah, that's a good point
>>730925570>why do I need ram?>it's not like it's going to go bad or anythingUntil it does>why do I need health insurance?>it's not like I'll get sick or anythingUntil you do.Until the next thing and the next thing...
>>730925771>pay the media not to talk about the lead cans>pay the testing companies not to talk about lead cans>also anyone who can't afford access to the media or to the testing companies just has to hope someone will warn them before they get lead poisoning by buying the bad product
>>730925760Umm no sweetie, it's asteroid mining and a space elevator.
>>730925810What... what year do you think this is? Also, that's much cheaper than chip manufacturing, by a lot.
>>730915421>in order to generate profits that are mathematically impossibleactually it's because trump wants to incentivize taiwan's independence for just long enough that the americans can reach AI supremacyif trump didn't ban state AI regulation pre-emptively and then promised infinite money to taiwanese silicon fabs, then china could take the island and end up having a total monopoly on the entire supply of everything needed to produce AI with no regulation holding it back, with the backing of american democrat communists evenit's not going to work out because AI won't be a nuclear level technology and it wouldn't make communism viable even if it was, but if you assume that the future of geopolitics depends on who has access to AI and that that check is coming in only a few years, it makes total sense for the US government to do this immediatelyprofits are of least concern, which is why all the corporations are moving away from consumer hardware and why AI companies can't even pay their electric bills
>>730925867Unless AI is one of those Halo magic things where if you get a big enough brain you can manipulate reality, that's still not happening.
>>730925814Yes, except only Trump does this. Obama didn't care.
>>730925760the transitory period between where we are now and that will be rife with cutthroat barbarity and evil. so yes, there will be abundance for the few dozen that stay alive.
>>730925835Oh my god you're so fucking stupid.It is not a W for a massive corporation to have to drop its own prices in perpetuity to deal with the new cottage industry startups that keep popping up every 3 months to undercut them. Small businesses do not NEED to stick around in a market, they come and go as it becomes advantageous. Because they are not leveraged and have low fixed costs, closing the business does not mean financial disaster the way it does for a large corporation. Most businesses are NOT meant to run in perpetuity.
>>730925861Don't forget>lobby the government to loosen regulation on lead content in cans>pay for studies to prove that only this much lead is safe and healthy>replace the water in the cooking process with piss
>>730925610>The larger corporation is leveraged, it cannot run at a loss indefinitely because it has fixed costs. The smaller businesses CAN run at losses or even leave the market entirely when it is unseasonable because they have less or no fixed costs (cottage industry).Thats not true at all. If this was the case Walmars would not exist and you would have small shops everywhere instead.>>730925610>they are having to compete with a potentially endless number of smaller competitorsA big company can afford to starve much longer than small company. Lets say you start your own shop where you sell apples for living. Walmart right next to you sees your little kiosk and decides to destroy you. They now sell apples for 1 cent per kg whereas you have to sell apples for 50 cents a piece because the costs of getting them from your farm to the store was 45 cents per apple. Walmart can go for 1-2 years without selling a single apple, you won't last a month. When you call it quits Walmart buys your company for a price of one Snickers bar. At the same time all the other apple sellers also went bankrupt around US.Anti-trust laws exist for a reason. Because big corpos already blatantly price-fixed and abused their position 200 years ago to kill all competition. You're essentially trying to say that small plants have it much easier time growing than the huge tree hogging all the sunlight for itself right next to them.
>>730925861>hmm today I will spend 400 billion dollars running a coverup on my lead can factory for no discernible reason>OH NO ONE FUCKER ON TWITTER TESTED MY CANS FOR LEAD AAAAIIIIIEEEEAgain stop thinking everyone is as dumb as you.
>>730925861>get fined by the government for lead cans>pay 2% of the profits gained by using lead cans>"forced" to go back to tin cans but you already made a tidy profitBonus points if its something that only indirectly fucks over most people, like dumping industrial waste. The people who live nearby and who were directly harmed might give a shit, but the vast majority of people will only be transiently offended and will soon forget.
>>730925929>they are not leveragedDo you think most entrepeneurs are solely self-funded? Where do you think they buy the real-estate? Do you envision a world where infinite home-held dropshipping industries are going to win a battle against amazon?
>>730925929>It is not a W for a massive corporation to have to drop its own prices in perpetuity to deal with the new cottage industry startups that keep popping up every 3 months to undercut them.Name 5 of such companies that successfully competed with Amazon.>Small businesses do not NEED to stick around in a market,Small business owners need to eat and gambling away your savings for a doomed project is condemning you to a life of poverty.
>>730925967>400 billionYou severely overestimate cost. SBF bragged how cheap it was to pay media and politicians to shill and defend his ponzi scheme.
>>730925950Oh my god you're just as fucking dumb as that other anon.Walmart provides a fundamentally different business than local grocery stores AND you're for some fucking reason pretending we live in an unregulated market.
>>730925967And then someone who never saw or heard about the twitter post buys the lead can and their children become retardedBut that's just le heckin skill issue right?
>>730915421Even the fucking power supplies, lads.Soon it will be the PC cases next.how the hell did people run out of copper of all things?This shit is just speed running to Mad Max levels like never before
>>730922436>YOUR tax dollarsyou pay taxes to the government in return for living and doing business in your country. once they reach the treasury, they become the government's dollars. you do not retain a claim to them and you are owed nothing in return.they can build roads, bomb other countries, bail out private companies, or spend it all on blow and hookers.when you pay Netflix, Amazon or McDonald's, do you later complain when they misuse YOUR customer dollars?
Are you making sure to save money on your GAMER FUEL?
>>730926002>Name 5 of such companies that successfully competed with Amazon.Oh my god its like we're NOT in a properly functioning free market system thats crazy>>730926016You completely fucking missed the point.Also, a ponzi scheme actually makes the guy running the scheme enough money for the risk to be tolerable. Selling people lead cans does not make you fabulously wealthy despite the enormous risk, it saves you a tiny percentage of costs. Apples to oranges.
>>730926062The view that governments have no duty other than being giant landlords is the kind of rhetoric that gives rise to unironic communists.
>>730926062actually when it reaches the treasury it becomes Israel's money
>>730926062>you pay taxes to the government in return for living and doing business in your country.Holy fucking shit are there really people who are this cucked?You pay taxes to fund the government so that it can provide YOU with services.
>>730926024>and then someone trips and falls and diesWhy hasn't the federal government completely eradicated all cases of food poisoning in regulated food goods?
>>730915829it's coming out of your paycheck, that's why they don't give a fuck about the risk of failing
>>730926098Selling cans literally makes the CEO fabulously wealthy, because all he needs is his next extravagant bonus. He does not take the risk, and all he really needs is a single bonus to live comfortably forever. Once you have 100 million dollars, you are effectively no longer beholden to anything.
>>730926062nta, but yes. When they run shit content like she hulk or 'le brave wimmins' and ads and rraise the monthly fee, I can complain about it and then choose to cancel. Meanwhile, the government will come to my house, shoot me, shoot my dog, rape my corpse, and give my house to a somalian and other americans will celebrate it and I have no recourse.
>>730925950Look, you fucking retard, if you're in this situation all you have to do is buy your apples from walmart if you sell even one apple, ever, you'll 50x your fucking money, fuck man, do the matheven if you match the price directly you've just moved the cost of transport to walmart and they're already operating at a loss supposedly, like god damn, explain this to one investor and you'll have enough money to fucking financially nuke walmart with god damn apples fuck
>>730926157>Selling cans literally makes the CEO fabulously wealthyAnd then he gets murdered by a wop on the street for twitter clout.
>>730926142Funny you say this when the newly relaxed regulations on food goods has given rise to rot-houses last seen in the 1900s.
>>730926062>cuckservative
>>730915512Remember when republicans hated the fed?
>>730926018>you're for some fucking reason pretending we live in an unregulated market.I never said that, now you're just putting words in my mouth like the retarded tranny you are. Unregulated markets used to exist, until De Beers destroyed all diamond competition and when children were poisoned to death by swill milk.
>>730925535What you're saying has some truth, the entrepreneur does take on a prophetic aspect and gains an irrational bank and investor confidence in their vision (see Elizabeth Holmes). But the role of the entrapreneur is essential, every business needs a visionary decision make to create the business out of parts and nothing. When the entrpreneur is replaced by professional management, then stagnation and enshittification take over: see Microsoft once Gates left the helm. Schumpeter wrote about this in "Can Capitalism Survive?". As an Austrian economist and anti-communist he thought that capitalism had an ineviable tendancy to replace the entrapreneur with professional management, Bill Gates is replaced by CEO mercenaries for example, and that capitalism would stagnate and fail because of it.
>>730926184So you can't answer the question.
>>730926162>all you have to do is convince a consumer to pay 50x more for an identical goodSo you'll be spending most if not all of your profit on marketing.>>730926183If only. If our CEO class had more fear of reprisal, they might act in a less overtly destructive manner.
>>730926129Most americans are even too dumb to know the government has a tax program just for undocumented immigrants that makes a billion dollars of revenue annually. Do you think he really understands how his own taxes work?
>>730926162You dumb retarded nigger. If everyone is buying apples from Walmart instead of your apple shop, no investor is ever going to invest in your company. Holy shit go back to elementary school you dumb bitch.
>>730926214You are asking me why a free market competition phenomenon is not happening in a regulated, non-free market.You are dumb as hell or too lazy to read.
>>730915421Just download more ram bro
>>730926228Because no amount of regulation will ever eliminate all shirking of it. No laws will ever stop crime. We could live in a panopticon for the rest of time and people would still find ways to break rules. That doesn't mean we should do away with rules.
>>730915738When you put it like that yeah that part is kind of dumb>They're ordering bricks that aren't made yet to build a wall that doesn't exist yet, isnt that CRAZY
>>730926142Because no system can ever be perfect. Regulations on food massively reduce how common food poisoning actually is, and when food poisoning does happen it's usually because the regulations weren't fucking followed.It genuinely amazes me that there are people who argue against food safety regulations. What happens when every company starts making unsafe food because it increases their profits? What happens when the few remaining companies that DO make safe food end up charging a premium for it, meaning the poor can't afford as much of it and have to supplement with unsafe food?
>>730926259>If our CEO class had more fear of reprisal, they might act in a less overtly destructive manner.Yeah, like imagine if they didn't have the full police and military force of the US government backing whatever arbitrary regulatory barriers they bribe senators to set up for them, and had to actually deal with competition and market risk.
>>730915512The amount of people ragebaited by this is astounding. Well fucking done anon. You outdid yourself with the minimal effort and I respect it.
>>730926280The free market is a race to the bottom where the winners simply kill the competition.
>>730926280>You are asking me why a free market competition phenomenon is not happening in a regulated, non-free market.No, I explained to you why free market does not exist and libertarians are retarded nepo-babies who don't read history. Even without government regulations free market would not exist, because the moment one company gets big enough, it starts to dominate and make sure there won't be a free market.
>>730926265... do you not know what arbitrage is>>730926298Yes it does. Rules erected and enforfed solely to limit the choices and responsibility of adults are unethical and economically disastrous.
>>730915953They'll also get trillions of new dollars from the glorious, independent, and unbiased federal reserve.That way, not only do they take your income, they devalue your savings too!
What's your plan for living in the famine police state in 10 years burgers?Me? I'm going to hook my 3DS to a gas generator and slowly drink myself to death in the dark with a side of rice and beans.
>>730919714what vast job openings is ai going to create for the common man?
>>730925950>Anti-trust laws exist for a reasonthe reason is to hopefully arrive at a planned economy by preventing profits from being invested.the truth is that a transport company generates value by making land near their network more valuable. is a transport company allowed to invest into land management? no. you don't get transport businesses or raising land value. lots of business models are the same. the net effect of antitrust is that corporations are not able to move their assets across industries, which makes it so that all competition has to be small and grass-roots, which significantly benefits large established businesses and for all intents and purposes makes them monopolies of their own fields by preventing one from moving to another industry.
>>730926335You're right, we should ban lobbying. We should also execute both the leadership of the corporations responsible and the politicians that acquiesced to being bought, enforcing high level financial crime as premeditated murder with body counts equivalent to the number of average human lifetime GDP contributions wasted by the crime.
>Reddit posts of people posting their new builds spec and it has like 96gb of RAM listed>they get asked why do they need 96gb of RAM>"Uh, I do video editing, 3d modelling, graphic design and programming so I need it".Yeah no, nobody is buying your bullshit, your lukewarm ventures at a purely entry level into so many different things do not qualify you to build such a powerful computer, you're just going to give up when you need to actually do something challenging and if you really were serious about those hobbies it wouldn't be down to just RAM that you need.RAM prices are so high because you are all greedy fucking cunts who won't share your wealth, you'd never lower the prices of computer components if you were in charge, so why would they ever lower them for you?
>>730926353>the market is when you kill peopleWhat>>730926376>free markets can't exist because someone will always try to become the stateSounds like a good argument for why we need to ensure nobody ever becomes the state
>>730926394outside of the stock market, name a time or place where you can compete financially with megacorps with fucking arbitrage. have fun reselling marked down kid's toys on amazon for $50k a year.
>>730925715I can't blame them.
>>730926438Be kind of based if we did.Probably unfeasible tho
>>730926394So I should be able to kill you for being a potential competitor to my economic growth? I am an adult, and this is a choice.>>730926443>he doesn't understand businessMan, back to 101 little bro, the murder squad is a cost saving measure.
>>730926439>one retardvs>whole datacenter with millions of kits of ram in it just so another retard can make a ten second video of trump having gay sex with biden
>>730920313That's not how taxes work you fucking retard. I can't believe we allow people like you to vote.
>>730923778>32gb ddr5lmao not even 64?
>>730926443Good luck ensuring the market leader with the majority of the resources doesn't become the state. I hope the McMilitia lets you keep firearms.
>>730920480>In MY retarded fictional dreamworld, the government would 3d-print a new foxgirl for me to fuck on demand every day!FTFY
>>730925848>10 year or lifetime warranty>will literally outlast every other pc partyeah, ok
>>730926438sounds antisemitic
>>730926456>be mexican>buy soda at gas station>resell soda at the home depot parking lot for a markupI's seent it.>>730926491>So I should be able to kill you for being a potential competitor to my economic growth?Are you telling me you need a state institution to keep you from deciding to be an opportunistic murderhobo? Self report ngl
>>730925907Trump is much better at it, but Biden kept most of what Trump did in place and more, and predating Trump, as an example, the US has been using it's spy network to sabotage European bids for government tenders by revealing European bribery campaigns since the 90s. Governments do take their own side, and are enlisted by lobbyists and the shuttling of employment between public and private sector to sabotage international and domestic rivals. The Democrats mounted a big campaign to sabotage Telsa, for example. It's a basic function of governance.
We should just do what china does with their tech billionare giants and threaten them with shuanggui if they don't cut their wealth and give back directly to government programs and charity.
>>730926394>do you not know what arbitrage isWhat arbitrage? De Beers own all the diamond mines, where are you going to get cheaper diamonds? If you wish to sell diamonds you buy from them or you don't buy at all.>>730926437>by preventing profits from being invested.If you have a monopoly status, you don't need to invest into anything. Investment means risk, why take a risk when you already won and pulled the ladder up from all the other competitors?>>730926443>Sounds like a good argument for why we need to ensure nobody ever becomes the state>Warlords should not exist!Lol good luck with that. How are you going to enforce it? With rule of law? The moment you do that, you become the state yourself.
>>730926536Corporations and states run on entirely different incentive structures. Corporations want the benefits of state power but will not tolerate the risk or costs of maintaining it themselves. They parasitize states.
>>730926438Actually based. You poison a man and you go to jail for life; you cause an industrial disaster because you trimmed the maintenance budget to make your books look better, give a couple thousand people gigacancer, and you get a fine and a golden parachute from your cushy CEO position.
>>730926265>walmart is paying 1 cent for transport and 1 cent for growing apples>you buy apple for 1 cent>walmart makes 1 cent loss>you sell for 1 cent also>you break even>every apple you sell is an apple walmart can't afford in the future>target offers to cover .1 cent of the cost per apple>either you make .1 cent profit for every 1 cent walmart loses, or you become walmart's only customer
>>730926062>when you pay Netflix, Amazon or McDonald's, do you later complain when they misuse YOUR customer dollars?uh, yes?if Amazon or McDonalds don't provide me with good customer service, I lodge a complaint against them and seek reimbursement for their shitty servicescase in point, every time amazon deliver my orders late, i complain and get a $10 gift card added to my account, the valuation of amazon and jeff bezos money just doesnt make sense, he could give everybody on the planet 10,000 dollars or something, its numbers on a fucking screen dude
>>730926584No, I'm telling you I need a state institution to keep me from pursuing an ideal form of profit self-actualization through kinetic regulation of potential future downside-generators like you.
>>730926584>Are you telling me you need a state institution to keep you from deciding to be an opportunistic murderhobo? Self report nglMost wealthy people are sociopaths who would have no problem killing to make more money if they faced no actual consequences for it.
>>730925898Yeah I don['t know what the horizon or utlity of AI will end up becoming. But post-scarcity comes when we can mine asteroids cheaply (thanks to a space elevator).
>>730926623>Lol good luck with that. How are you going to enforce it?Democratization (rather than monopolization) of violence.
>>730915738Loans literally shouldn't exist.
>>730918030>I dont want to fat orange reality tv pedophile>no problem! This is a democracy, you can also vote for Pantsuit Antichrist, Status Quo Joe, or Brown Lady ;)It was all rigged by powers above the laws of man and god.
>>730926635I firmly believe if we treated financial crime in this way, we could fix much of the excesses of our society. Also, fuck that 20 years of jail followed by making millions again on the speaking track and trying to redo your scam, if you defrauded people for hundreds of millions you should be in the dirt fertilizing a tree.
>>730926653Typical statist ngl.>>730926661Definitely projection.I look forward to the day we will be able to just tell you niggers you can't move into our neighborhoods.
>>730926670I know you aren't actually read enough to know why a space elevator is a sci-fi concept that is actually laughable, but please before you get your MBA dip your head into engineering tracks.
>>730926518> just so another retard can make a ten second video of trump having gay sex with bidenSomehow, this is also your fault... i think
>>730926721I'm also telling you that all of your profit-focused idols think the same way I do. I'm a mover and a shaker, I see the goal and I follow the flow line, your heartbeat is in the way of all the money in your wallet which I could invest with.
>>730926638>you sell for 1 centHow do you do that? Everyone is buying from Walmart. Your logic breaks down immediatly. Where are you getting your 1 cent to buy an apple if your apple shop makes no money? Do you just fart coins out of nowhere?
>>730926681>mega billionaire pays 100,000 people 1 million each to put down any opposition to him>buys them state of the art military equipment>enslaves you>only had to spend 300 billion of his 900 billion dollar fortune
>>730926456There are diseconomies of scale too anon. Your cottage business doesn't need to consult middle and upper management to make a decision, pay an HR department, do massive brand marketing spends, etc.
>>730915421If you weren't poor/stupid/brown you would have bought RAM before the prices went up like everyone told you to.
>>730926681Why would ANY market leader give a SINGLE shit what you have to say? Are you going to stop buying from them? Good luck, they control ALL The water you faggot.
>>730926804Now you're just doing gay larp.I played Cruelty Squad too dude I promise you its not that deep irl. The people with money aren't all your dad. Hell most of them don't even have the self-awareness to know they're being unethical.
>>730926826The moment your cottage business tries to grow larger, you need to invest in the company infastructure.
>>730926623>If you have a monopoly status, you don't need to invest into anything. Investment means risk, why take a risk when you already won and pulled the ladder up from all the other competitors?Exactly.This is why big corporations wanted antitrust. Antitrust is pulling the ladder up. With it in effect, everyone gets to sit on their asses forever without any competitive threat from anyone else, including businesses of your own size.
>>730926856Nobody that isn't willing to be evil will ever amass multiple billions of dollars.
>>730926615That whole government torture scandal was ingenious.>2013>big bribery going on in the party among billionaires>arrests, 2 guys disappeared entirely and got tortured>more arrests of the 6 guys responsible for the torture, a full investigation "quietly" shut down shuanggui >it's presumed gone but no one really knows for sure>fast forward to present>now all they have to do is send one guy over to a billionaire and tell them it would be in the best interest to cut their income>they immediately fold and do itLmao, USA could never manage something like this.
>>730926823>spend 1/3rd of your 900 billion dollars to enslave people>slavery well known to be horribly unproductive and inefficientLmfao this is like nuking territory you intend to conquer. HMM YES TODAY I WILL BURN HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR NO GAIN!
>>730926885>This is why big corporations wanted antitrust.Antitrust directly disallows big corpos from abusing their monopoly status. Please read what anti-trust laws are before you open your dumb mouth again. Small businesses are never a target for anti-trust law because they don't have a position to abuse to begin with.
>>730926623>where are you going to get cheaper diamonds?You can make diamonds, or even better giant moissanite gems, in a lab now. Many many small and medium operators do so at a fraction of the cost of De Beers gouging.
>>730926852... anon, democratization of violence is an explicitly political ideal, not a market strategy.
>>730926856If your ideal society ceases to function when bad people exist, your ideal society is impossible. There are droves of people who would kill others to advance themselves in life.The wealthy literally rape and murder children for fun btw.
>>730921506it's over, millions must die
>>730926756It will come. Or a space gun.
>>730926965>There are droves of people who would kill others to advance themselves in life.Who would not be allowed to live in any healthy. society. Or did you forget about America being the place where soldiers forcibly integrate niggers into white schools at gunpoint.
>>730926597>but Biden kept most of what Trump did in placeHe did it out of laziness; that guy hardly ever worked.
>>730926998Space gun is worse.
>>730926925>an obscenely wealthy person would never do anything that isn't entirely profit-driven! its impossible!You're assuming that nobody with that kind of money would ever decide to become a warlord/dictator/antichrist just because they want to.
>>730926876Yes, of my list true. But even a medium business has advantages a large business does not. Look how Microsoft ran rings around the behemoth of IBM. Look at Googles many failed entries in markets and services where smaller competitors have defeated them.
>/v/ - politics and economics
>>730920083>unwashed masses are cattle Forgot the vax event or how normalfags religiously believe in official narrative and treat conformity as some religious virtueConformists ARE cattle as matter of fact
>730915512The absolute state of this board when this Facebook tier garbage gets as many (You)s as it does
>>730927017>allowed to liveIt's a shame they control more resources than you, and killing them is so hard because of their bodyguards. Oop, looked too long, you're a threat, die peasant.
>>730926062I've never soon bootlicking this advanced, holy shit
>>730926826at that point you are making a tradeoff. You have decided that arbitrage for yourself is worth a 50% pay cut with no benefits just because you don't want to take your skillset to a corporation that can and will utilize your skills for more money.
>>730927051Anon I can't argue against the retarded fantasy bullshit in your head. I am sure Elon Musk is gearing up to declare exterminatus on Finland or whatever the fuck you think him and Jeff Bezos are going to do.Rich people are well known for being irrational, violent psychopaths that destroy enormous quantities of their own personal wealth on a whim after all.
>>730927114What the fuck is even going on in your head?How do you think the government is currently preventing this?
>>730927114Street niggers (actual violent sociopaths) are profoundly stupid and easy to deal with.
>>730920528>muh productivityGood goy
>>730927165By having a monopoly on violence, retard. If some CEO tried that shit, they'd die for it because they don't have enough funding to defend themselves against SEAL team.
>>730927036I'm sure there were some staffers who did work, and it was signifcant that the entire Washington establishment, left and right, became Trumpian on economic sabotage of China from the first term onwards.
>>730927094>/v/ - USA video game uprising revolutionary forceI have faith. We can take back our vidya from the globo homos. Get your VR sets and dildos boys.
>>730927194>wealthy people are insane sociopaths inches away from mass murder>so we need to give total military control to wealthy peopleUh huh...
>>730927139Rich people are known for raping babies on Epstein Island. Why do you assume that no rich person could ever decide "I want to create my own state"?
>Fecaloids seething about AI as usual.
>>730926520Explain where I'm wrong then.
>>730927246Don't you have a fake revolution in Iran to get back to?
>>730927237The government and the capitalist class aren't supposed to be the literal same people.
>>730927094youre a fool if you think that people on this board don't have wealth that puts them in like the top 0.00001% of human societyif you can afford elden ring you're basically part of the rich elite in terms of global wealth
>>730927240... many rich people have created their own states.You're doing fucking backflips equivocating between corporate interests, politicians, and the vague "rich people" class you learned about in Homosexual Marxism 101 so its entirely impossible to discuss the real decisionmaking of real people with you.
>>730927132More money? Unless the big business is smart enough to buy your medium business out with a massive offer (not at all guaranteed) then you have much more to gain by increasing the size of your business and enjoying both profit and capital gains. You could also do a stock market float, or sell some private equity, to cash in too.
>>730927282Oh god unironic marxist class analysis laughing my FUCKING ass off
>>730927194Yeah, man. Trump and Elon only stopped abducting foreign leaders after they became the government, because that's when they stopped being able to do whatever they wanted.>>730927282>supposedFucking retard. Holy shit man, Nobody gives a fuck about what you're supposing. It actually literally just means that your theory is false and wrong and total bullshit. Keep believing though. Honestly. Even if the outcome is exactly the same otherwise, at least in the ancap scenario I get some money for supporting the warlord, in this system I just pay taxes and get fucked.
>>730927267Ain't got time for that. I'm too busy playing games on my 64GB of DDR5 RAM
>>730927096Many of them are, at least about some things, but treating them like that is still fucked up. Especially when people who aren't cattle are forced to go along with it
>>730927349Are you disputing the concept of class? >>730927406In the ancap system you're just a slave with no control over anything. Why do ancaps think that morality has no need to be rigidly enforced? You're just going to be raped in the chattel pens for fun by those stronger than you.
>>730927406If reality conflicts with my community college critical theory class, so much the worse for reality!
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>>730927474>Are you disputing the concept of classYes.>>730927474>Why do ancaps think that morality has no need to be rigidly enforced?Because every moralist is living in a fucking alarmist cartoon fantasyland like you and their morality is a justification to do whatever ungodly abominable things they are projecting on muh identity outgroup.
>>730927303So how do you and your neighbours plan to stop Shlomo Bergstein's private army from coming in and declaring that you are now part of the glorious State of Bergstein and that you now owe Emperor Bergstein a portion of your income as taxes? They have the same level of equipment as a modern military by the way because there are no regulations saying that Bergstein can't purchase Apache helicopters and Abrams tanks and ballistic missile submarines. Oh and there is no such thing as warcrimes now so they'll be as ruthless and bloody as they feel like.
>>730927480Reality is literally fully and completely following the doomsaying of the communists. You should really stop enabling it. I don't even like communist structure, I wish you retards would stop sucking the cocks of the ultra-wealthy so I wouldn't have to be subject to a revolution.
>>730927096>anti-vaxers didn't have their own narrative or conformitylmao
It amazes me how people who have no idea what they're talking about can write so much. I miss when /v/ wasn't filled with redditors
>>730927542>ungodly abominable thingsName one "Abominable" thing without invoking morality. If you invoke faith, that's just a moral enforcement vector.
>>730927547How do you not comprehend that rampant warlordism is far more prevalent in State systems? States are BUILT TO FACILITATE MILITARISM you dope fuck. What do you think taxes are for? FUNDING THE FUCKING MILITARY.I have much more to fear living in a militarist debt mill where I am not even allowed to defend myself than in your strawman fantasy.
>>730927567>Reality is literally fully and completely following the doomsaying of the communiststidus_laughing.gif>>730927598Incapability of recognizing cause and effect.
>>730927474If some warlord pays a bunch of people good money to go to war, the end result of that is going to be that a lot of those people are going to reinvest that money into their own private security, resulting in a well armed population. Now they can all enforce their own individual property rights.They can set up a security agency, and a court, and the court can contract the security agency. There's zero reason not to be civil about this. Especially if you just want a quantifiably good outcome.
>>730927658Okay, I and my criminal gang that control the block kill you for pocket change. The effect is what, exactly? Are your family going to come for me? Good luck.
>>730927696Why the fuck would I live in some nigger prison where this is an issue I have to deal with?
>>730927696the effect is that my insurance company nukes you
>>730927683>if the warlord paysAfrica>people are going to reinvestAfrica>resulting in a well armed populationJust disarm the ones that disagree. Like in Africa.>individual property rightsI control the largest amount of violence. Your property is mine if I say it is.>they can set up a courtNot allowed, laws are only enforced by me and my personal cohort.
>>730923284Monopolies naturally arise due to economies of scale, and in industries that require valuable land, rent-seeking. Furthermore, there's no possible system you can create which is not vulnerable to corruption. Once monopolies form they will always follow the obvious incentive of worming their way into the government. There is no legal fiction you can create to stop this inevitability.
>>730927742... why are we equivocating between a white western hypothetical ancap nation and nigger statism the videogame?
>>730927734No they fucking don't, why would they EVER follow through on your policy? Look at that, looks like my guy shot you in the butthole, there's a specific "No gay" clause in the nuke tier of subscriber.
>>730927615Okay, so your entire ideology relies on nobody who has enough wealth or influence to succeed trying to become a warlord.I would give your ideal society five, maybe ten days before it collapses.
>>730927781Nigger statism is the true form of a lawless land. If your society NEEDS people to be moral and conscientious, it will always fail.
>>730927774So you make sure there are people in your government that aren't corruptible and hold other accountable? That is how a government is supposed to work. Checks and balances.
>>730927615burgercuck hands typed this. taxes are not just for the military. the purpose is to produce stability. >roads>bridges>law and order>education>food>borders>social net>militaryYou neglect this shit just for the military and you end up with a population of stupid bitter retards that can't work and have no sense of right and wrong. Sound like anyone you know?
>>730927774>Monopolies naturally ariseWrong>there's no possible system you can create which is not vulnerable to corruptionThis is a nonsequitur. Monopolies are not corrupt, there's nothing inherently unethical about monopolization, its just bad for the market. Corruption as it refers to unethical practices like quid pro quo and preferential legal treatment can be dramatically reduced by simply eliminating the central governing/regulatory system that facilitates it.This whole argument is a strawman, though, since nobody has said that a free market system is inherently free of 'corruption' in any sense.
>>730927881>wrongWhat's to stop a monopoly from imposing itself, exactly? Especially in a stateless system where the monopoly immediately becomes a de facto state.
>>730927809>your entire ideology relies on nobody who has enough wealth or influence to succeed trying to become a warlord.No it relies on democratizing violence (read: recreational Mark19 AGLs in every home) to deter and, if need be, just fucking kill anyone who would try.Very, very rapidly the unsuitable elements of the population would deal with themselves.
>>730927923>i own a gunYour betters own entire stables of people with better guns, also body armor. The McCops can take your shit whenever they want.
>>730927880>muh roads>>730927917>What's to stop a monopoly from imposing itself, exactly? ... anon what do you think a monopoly is, exactly.A monopoly is a market situation where one (or a small number) of businesses control market share.You can't just go into the public square and declare yourself a monopoly on apples, nobody will give a fuck and will continue to sell apples as they like. And if you try to start a retarded war over it like its Fallout or something you will economically tank yourself immediately and probably get shot.
>>730927984Oh yeah tell me more about Elon Musk's army of $50 quadrillion Terminators I have to deal with for some fucking reason. You DEFINITELY aren't projecting statist fantasies about violent social repression or anything.
>>730927923So how is the average person supposed to afford military-grade heavy weapons? Let alone the fucking ammunition.A sufficiently wealthy person can just buy a couple A-10 warthogs and delete your neighbourhood, even if you could afford your grenade launcher.
>>730928018>nobody will give a guckWell with my apple fortune I've bought apple mercenaries to stop you, and also my massively superior infrastructure ensures my apples are cheaper and more available than yours besides. Go on, try to compete with Amazon. And that's with Amazon being disallowed from using lethal force on you.
>>730928065Anon Elon Musk doesn't live in Ancapistan and neither do you. The US government can already wipe you out like a stain but are actually beholden to laws. In ancapistan, the local wealthy ARE the lawmakers.
>>730928067Just a hand gun is 300 burger bucks.
>>730928067>So how is the average person supposed to afford military-grade heavy weaponsBy cutting all regulation on the manufacture and sale of the same.>>730928076You don't have an apple fortunes. You do not control apple market share. You would never be able to make enough money to hire your gay fantasy mercenary army off an apple farm. This is why real States use taxes (theft) to fund their militaries, they are completely unsustainable from market transactions.
>>730928065>if we get rid of statism everyone will just be nice to each other!LOLHuman beings have been killing other human beings for dominance, power, and resources since we were cavemen. Your system has the same flaw as communism, it requires human nature to stop being... human nature.
>>730928110>but are actually beholden to lawsAre they really? Do you actually believe this?
>>730928157Anon I want to just point you to the swath of megacorporation-militaries of the 19th and 20th century.
>>730928110>In ancapistan, the local wealthy ARE the lawmakersLet's think through this>be elon musk in ancapistan>set local laws because you own all the local property>local laws are dumb and gay>everyone moves away because your laws are dumb and gay>fission mailed
>>730928208So what, Bezosburg? THat one AI guy-istan? Peter Thieltown? Where the FUCK are you going, and why would they let you leave?
>>730928172Complete nonsequitur. Who are you quoting?>>730928195Megacorporation militaries of the 19th and 20th centuries vs one buzzy explody boy
>>730925369So true, deregulation is really the best way of insuring public safety
>>730928157Advanced technology - military or otherwise - is inherently expensive to produce whether you have regulations or not. Because it's complex, requires complex chains of logistics and production, and requires specific skills that demand high pay.
>>730928237>where are you going... to a place I want to go to>why would they let you leaveSorry we're discussing ancap not whatever gay roleplay dungeon you dream of rich people pegging you in. If there is no freedom of association then we're no longer discussing ancap.
>>730928250They're richer than you, you think they can't afford superior drone and anti drone tech? Good luck "Activist".
>>730928306Ancap is whatever the richest in the society want it to be. The NAP is a lie that disappears when you can no longer ensure equal force to your monetary superiors. And you can't. If your society relies on singular moral guidelines that cannot be enforced, your society is a dream.
>>730928253>deregulation is really the best way of insuring public safetyPeople are evil so we need a government made of people>>730928268Guns are not advanced technology, anon. I'm not talking about recreational nukes or F-15s.
>>730928306So you admit that ancap is impossible because it requires the assumption that everybody will just inherently follow the ideology.
>>730928307I don't think you understand that drones are weapons of equalization>>730928345>Ancap is when naked social darwinismNo.
>>730928398>everybody will just inherently follow the ideology.Democracy is impossible because it requires that everyone will want to live in a democracy and those that don't will leave
>>730928401Ancap is absolutely when naked social darwinism, but that aside>drones are weapons of equalizationAnd their numbers of drones and quality of anti-drone tech make them more equal than you. Just like if I have a musket, and you have an M16, you have a MASSIVE advantage.
>>730915670jesus fucking christwhat part of pull yourself by the government bought and paid for bootstraps do you not understand?
>>730928348>Guns are not advanced technology, anon. I'm not talking about recreational nukes or F-15s.Exactly. An F-15 beats some libertarians with guns. And you can't afford an F-15, but newly-declared Emperor Bergstein can.
>>730928437Why are you equivocating between different drones and rifles from hundreds of years and an entire industrial revolution apart.
>>730928505Because quantity is quality, and you have neither.
>>730928473I have a forcefield. If we're gonna play calvinball I'm going full calvinball rules.Also I have a death note.
>>730928532Do you think there wouldn't be an immediate surge in drone development and sales if weapons like that became deregulated in a developed country though?
>>730928546Again you have to pretend that in your ancap society, everyone would just magically abide by the ideology. Nobody would ever go against it because they just wouldn't. Lmao
>>730928596Okay? The megacorp is still wealthier than you, and can still afford higher quality drone disruption tech. I say again, they are more equal than you.
>>730928628And again. Total nonsequitur.You're taking statist warlordism and projecting it onto an ancap situation and demanding I answer for the real world action of statists. Its fundamentally unserious.What would YOU do if Elon Musk nuked you tomorrow
>>730928638>the megacorpWe're not playing Cyberpunk big dog
>>730928731Anon this entire exchange started from >>730928250wherein some absolute retard thought that drone tech would give him an equal playing field with a modern monopolist with a military.
>>730928348It's not about 'le evil' you fucking retard, people have a collective desire to insure their safety, even in your ridiculous econ 101 fantasy world of perfect competition, businesses have a strong incentive to cut corners, because the consumers will never find out about the corner-cutting until something goes wrong. To the individual business, it is an acceptable risk, even if the individual consumer would rather not face thousands of risks from thousands of different businesses cutting corners. Thus they make use of the cooercive violence of the state to force the businesses to submit to inspection. If you want an actual, real life example of the effects of deregulation, look up what the pic in my last photo was.
>>730928690>warlords only exist because of statismPeople kill each other even in fucking hunter-gatherer tribes. They even have wars. This isn't a product of statism, it's a product of human nature.
>>730915421have you said thank you?
>>730928852Is your argument really that government is successfully augmenting human nature but nothing else is able to do this?
>>730917440this
>>730927881Monopolies absolutely do naturally arise because again, economies of scale allow the monopoly to sell at cheaper prices, naturally raising the barrier to entry for the market. As for my other example, the land itself would have speculative value and so anyone who owns the land is disincentivized from ever selling it instead of holding onto it and charging rent.
>>730929073The would-be monopoly needs to sell to an external market, therefore a total monopoly is impossible, which means that the scale of a business goes from literally everywhere all of the time private business to never ever total monopoly, which means that monopolies are less viable than smaller businesses
