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you had the entire first 3/4 of 2025 to build a new PC
why didnt you?
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I already built one in 2024
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>>730924371
i built a new one at the end of 2024 but im paranoid wondering what i'll do if one of my components decides to shit itself out of nowhere. I still have old components from my previous build but those are in poor shape due to an accident that happened while moving
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>>730924573
based, specs?
Mine
>7950X3D
>Radeon 5800(I think?)
>32GB DDR5 ram
>4TB Nvme
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>Previous build lasted 10 years before it couldn't run the latest games at max settings
Built a new machine right before the AIpocalypse
Don't worry poorfags, you'll be able to afford a high-end machine if you save your NEETbux for a year.
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>>730924371
maybe this will force /v/ to learn that DLSS and frame gen are actually very useful and frankly revolutionary technologies with few downsides compared to the benefit they provide
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I own a house. Single family, detached.
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>>730924371
Waiting for AI bubble to crash in 2027 and for Nvidia to come crawling back begging for my money
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>>730925019
>AI bubble to crash
this leads to instant WW3
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2023
i9-13900KF
4090 24G
2x 32GB 5200 DDR5

I'll be fine for a bit...
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>>730924905
but, you see anon, theres a little bit of ghosting going on that you dont notice unless you record it and play it at 0.2 speed! the fact that i get 50 more frames in return doesnt matter okay??
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>>730924905
You will never be a real frame. You will always be a mockery of a resolution.
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But I did so I'm perfectly happy with game specs stagnating frm now on
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Because my 3080/5950x build isn't even 5 years old but now I'm considering just splurging on the high prices and doing a 5080/9800x3d build because the doomers are getting to me saying that personal computing is done for or the prices won't come down for another 5 years at the least. I can wait like 2/3 years max but I'm scared things are going to be even worse.
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>>730924371
Because I am busy survivcing as a third world shitter to care about new pc parts.
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I honestly, legitimately, don't give a fuck about upgrading anything, my card is the most common card in steam, all the games should be made with my card in mind.
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>>730925269
that is indeed a very sexy build anon

t. 4070 ti, ryzen 7700 - bit jealous we arent getting multi frame gen on 40 series desu but those 50 cards were super overpriced when you compared their actual raster performance vs 40 series so i dont regret sticking with 40 series
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>>730924371
WEYN deed u STELT geytee u haynds dootee my GOUD poyweltoo??
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>>730925384
jesus fuck get a ssd and clone your windows install to that, then get a cheap 1080p monitor that has a refresh rate above 60hz
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>>730925458
i find it impossible to go back to 60hz after experience higher refresh rates so IMO I would recmmend he stay on a 1080p60 monitor until all this mess gets sorted out and he can upgrade to a better GPU

his 3060 is perfect for 1080p60. But yeah he should get an SSD (if he can find one reasonably priced - big ask these days)
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>>730925458
No, I will use my parts until they explode.
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>>730925552
he can run old games at high refresh rates and the r5 5500 is perfectly able to do that, screen tearing is mitigated by getting a monitor with freesync and using a displayport cable.
>>730925607
ok retard
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>>730925389
>that is indeed a very sexy build anon
Thank you, anon

>>730925384
>reeee, notice me, corpo-senpai
picrel
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>>730925651
>he can run old games at high refresh rates
then hes going to be miserable playing any new games that he would otherwise enjoy and sacrificing graphics settings to try and match the fluidity of his old games

even with VRR i can easily tell the difference between 60hz and even 90hz, and 60hz looks fucking TERRIBLE to me now
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>>730925729
he will have a lifetime of games to enjoy before this mess gets fixed, no point in double dipping on a monitor
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>>730925729
I won't fall for that slippery slope, it already happened with 30 I won't let it happen again with 60

Ignorance is bliss, and I shall remain ignorant.
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>>730925805
Lots of older games, even on PC, start breaking above 60 FPS.
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I did. 9800x3d, 64gb cl30 6000, 7900xtx. Gpu sucks at rt but absolutely shreds through anything without rt no problem at 4k with plenty of vram to spare for graphics mods.
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>>730925921
depends on the game, most western games (especially fps) are fine, others have a cap of 60 where you have to edit a config file to go higher, then there's the ones that are broken above 60 where you need to cap the frame rate or get a fix like a .dll file, like checking out pcgamingwiki, literally no excuse for not having a high refresh rate monitor.
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>>730925651
ok retard
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The human eye can't see past 60 fps.
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>>730926026
you are a joo is my excuse, joo.
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>>730925921
>lock to 60
>framegen to 120
butter
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>>730926057
poorfag cope
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I did. I bought a 5070ti at release and got a 5700x3d and 64gb of ram to go with it.
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>>730925607
Holy based.
Retard consumers will never understand this mentality but you're 100% in the right here
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>>730926136
If your eyes see past 60 you will go blind.
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>>730926072
yea frame gen on 60fps locked games and emulators is one of its best uses
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>>730926136
post nose, jew.
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>>730924371
Already did in 2021
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>>730924371
I work in the industry so I just play in the ridiculously high end PC my employers provide me with
been doing this for the past 7 years or so, its like being sponsored to upgrade your PC for free every year
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>>730924371
5000 series sucks ass
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>>730926303
You don't play anything, all you do is shitpost everyday, retardo.
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>>730924371
Kinda true saw the writing on the wall and built mine before the Ram crisis
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>>730926246
>can afford things = jew
Poorfag logic checks out.

>>730926219
once you try 90+, your eyes will suffer at 60.
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>>730926406
Literally me.
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>>730926550
So I won't play at 90+ I think 60 is perfectly fine, going higher means stronger parts and stronger parts means wasting money on them only for me to eventually crave even more power and more frames.

Is like that shitty South Park episode about chasing a dragon and drugs or some retarded shit like that, you will never reach the dragon, but you will keep paying the price in an attempt to reach it.
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>>730925383
this but i am privileged and white and got my 64 sticks

>>730926406
this, genuinely
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>>730926767
But do you rent?
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>>730926742
Gotta disagree with you on that. IMHO this dragon desn't fly far. 90-120 is the golden FPS. I wasted money on a 240 MHz monitor.
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>>730926550
I can afford it, retarded shill. kill yourself.
>DUE THIS NEW TECH IS LE AMAZING
>Try it out
>Pure shillery
Reminds me of how retards claimed 1080p was also amazing and shit back then when everybody had 720p, retards all of you.
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>>730925383
I'd call you a poorfag, but I'm genuinely sorry for you, anon. Hope you can get out of the shitter.
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>>730926838
He does. He is a retard shitposting for attention that pretends owning some sticks of ram before the price spiked makes him "rich".
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>>730924371
Genuinely how long are things going to be fucked and how long will it last for? Should I just bite the bullet and build a new one now since I was resting on my laurels for too long.
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>>730924905
kys
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>>730924371
nothing interesting came out. 980ti and a 10 year old CPU runs everything that i want to play, and until that changes whats the point of buying a new pc.
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>>730926997
>bite the bullet and build a new one now
This would be financially fucking retarded. I shiggy-diggy.
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>>730924371
>4070ti
>i9 10900k
>32gb ddr4
>3tb name
>1200w power supply
let me guess, you need more
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>>730926997
> Oh wow, stuff is at all time high prices, several times what it was just a few months ago, I better buy in now!
Find a woman who can take all your money and not let you near it.
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>>730926927
> t. owns a 1080p
It's good, isn't it?
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>>730924371
I'm genuinely fine with ddr4, but now that ddr5 is a rare commodity I'm mad I didn't upgrade.
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>>730927201
I only play old shit, so I own a 1060 6gb and that's enough for me.
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>>730927079
>>730927196
So are things actually going to go down in price and go back to normal at some point then?
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>>730927160
>when you could've bought a better gpu instead of spending it all on flashy gaymer lights
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>>730927252
lol no, all you hear is cope. And they will get mad and call me retard for this truth nuke.
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>>730927239
Oh no....oh nonononoooo :DDDDDD
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>>730927370
Normal? No. A bit better, once the storm calms down - most likely.

>>730927370
fatalist retard. did you prep a bunker yet?
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>>730924371
>16GB
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>>730927265
I love my gpu and my gay razer peripherals
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>>730924371
i bought a 64gb pc in december
memory was like half the cost

no i dont regret it, i have money lmao
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since AMD clearly in collude with Nvidia to shit on their customers
how long until Intel catch up?
or whatever chink brand chink want to make?
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>>730924371
i've had 13 years to build new pc's but i haven't because i'm not a gamer cattle consumer
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>>730928104
the shills and joos here will claim you are poor and or brown.
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>>730924371
How was I supposed to know this shit had a time limit? Wooooow
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>>730928104
>not a gamer cattle consumer
>/v/
Checks out.
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>>730928229
man when 4chan start making RAM threads I immediately rush to nearest Walmart and grab myself a pair of 6400 16GB sticks
I didnt build the rest of my PC yet until Christmas which then I get the rest of my PC with holiday discount
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>>730924371
because I'm too depressed
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>mfw got a 5080 and decent amount of ram before the a.i apocalypse
>mfw use it to browse 4chan and play a 10 year old tile based text game
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>>730928104
grim
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>>730924371
already did
>r5 9600x
>rtx 5060ti
>32gb ddr5
feelsgoodman
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feels toxo man
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>>730928149
>who shit my pants?!
>musta been da joos
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>>730924721
>when the ai bubble pops hardware will be cheap again!
Someone never read The Grapes of Wrath
They will take pallets of GPUs and RAM sticks and throw them into an industrial shredder before they willingly sell them to you for a cheaper price
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>>730928704
If you don't give me 100k right now you are poor then.
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>>730928704
probably because they keep putting cheap addictive processed HFCS in all your foods
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>>730928762
it is a shill/joo, note how when i said "post nose" they never replied.
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>>730928708
That's not how it works retard
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>>730928738
I am poor.
Yet still it's not me who's butt-fuck mad in a RAM thread. :D
I must be a joo.
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>>730928890
cuckcession accepted
>BUT YOU MAD!
Double cuckcession accepted.
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>>730924371
Had mine a couple years.
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I'M SPENDING 4K AND ORDERING PARTS FOR A 5080 BUILD RIGHT NOW UNLESS SOMEONE STOPS ME.
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>>730929223
>4090 bro
>this muthafucka based
> unknown @1800....
WTF man...?
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>>730929228
Eh, do what you want, it's (barely) a free country.
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>>730928856
If you have a monopoly on hardware why would you sell it to data centers when you can lease it? Or have a stipulation in the contract that when said data center goes under the cards have to be sent back to nvidia to be destroyed
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>>730929228
Dew it and post proof.
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>>730929228
Faggot, unless proven!
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>>730929546
seriously 1800? what's the point?
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>>730929374
>If you have a monopoly on hardware
If you take away the conditions that gave you such a monopoly, how much longer will you have that monopoly?
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>>730924371
>>730925607
No parts would be replaced
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>Check SSD prices.
>2tb NVMEs have almost doubled in the past month.
It's impressive how much ass everything sucks nowadays.
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>>730929223
4090 with RAM from 2007? This a joke?
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>>730929717
he stole the 4090.
jokes aside 128 gigs of it equals to ~96 of todays ddr4, so... k i guess?
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I'm stuck with 32GB but I guess it still good enough to cope long enough until the price stabilized
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>>730924371
I didn't had a job
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>>730929835
lemme guess, you need more?
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>>730926303
Stop posting pictures of me.
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>>730929656
Those conditions are enforced by armed mercenaries of the state
Anyone who tries to take oranges from the pile before they are sprayed with kerosene and left to rot is a criminal. And the coroner will write on the death certificate: “cause of death: malnutrition”
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>4080 Super
>7800X3D
>64G 6000mts GSkill
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>>730929626
>>730929717
For whatever reason, that software doesnt identify my RAM, it's 4x Kingston FURY Beast KF560C36
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>>730929949
>>730929656
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>>730929374
>nvidia is greedy enough to fuck over their consumer base to sell everything to data centers
>but not greedy enough to sell that same hardware back to the consumers even after it has been used up for a quick buck
Smartest /v/tard
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>>730929998
Aight.
>This muthafucka based
then
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>>730929998
128g's of ddr5... Usecase, if I may?
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>>730924371
There isn't a single game worth building a new pc for
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>>730930117
Futureproofing, mostly, and I had the money to spend, and it wasn't a fortune at that point.
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lol
lmao
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>>730930150
NOOOO! BROWN!!! POOR!!!
ALSO STOP ASKING ME TO POST MY NOSE!!!
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>>730930117
Would it upset y'all to know it's a Falcon Northwest Talon with custom case art?
For when you really want to overspend but make it beautiful.
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>>730930048
>selling inventory at a loss is “greedy”
Companies only do that out of desperation, that’s not how this works at all
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>>730930275
>custom case art
What's it look like?
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>>730924371
I built a low end pc less than a year ago. I only play Indies and emulators. But honestly computers piss me off because of random chances of something happening. Like last night it froze for a second, screen went black, came back and my wallpaper was deleted. I check the windows log and it tells me the nvidia driver just crashed for some unknown reason. This is the second time it happens. I swear to god all I do is watch youtube, browse 4chan and play video games. I watch all my porn in my phone. Yet somehow shit like this can happen.
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>>730930179
Smart.

>>730930275
Nope. Not in the slightest. Got Aurora R15 Dark Side of the Moon myself. Got a bit of buyer's remorse there tho...
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>>730925117
Pretty sure it would just lead to every rich guy that invested into it to become broke and nothing else. The stock market does not reflect reality and neither does the money system we rely on.
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>>730930312
Sorry I don't have a pic of computer with me, but I got the dark glass doors AND the aluminum ones with this art.
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>>730930616
Nice.
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>>730930616
Nice.
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>>730928149
i claim they have small cocks
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>>730928283
i fully understand the irony but i will not elaborate
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>>730924721
>60hz in 2026
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What is the point of making this retarded thread
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>>730930440
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>>730931310
You don’t understand! Human eyes don’t see beyond __ FPS!
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>>730931398
While low fps is a meme, you really can't see 6k fps which is what professional movie tier cameras do.
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>>730924371
Already built mine in 2022, the only thing that really needed replacing was the RTX 3070 because 8GB VRAM isn't even enough for 1080p these days
As soon as I heard Nvidia and AMD were planning to raise GPU prices I bit the bullet and got a 9070 XT
Would've loved to get more RAM so I could mess around with local AI but oh well
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>>730924371
no new games i wanna play
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>>730924371
>Upgrade PC
>1 or 2 new games a year worth playing
Eh, it's something.
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>>730925019
AI is part of the reason the global economy didn't go under after the pandemic, if the bubble bursts EVERYONE is fucked.
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>>730931651
I hope it bursts so everything finally goes to hell and I am finally killed by some thief trying to rob water and food from me. because otherwise, if i try to kill myself they will "save me".
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>>730929717
Pretty sure Speccy shows half the actual RAM speed for some reason
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>pc gamers get a bried period of respite with reasonable priced hardware after cryptominers, insane trump tariffs and covid
>jews : wow, wtf. Not on my watch
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>>730931687
You are like the voice I don't want to hear in my head.
But we can get a compromise, can a giant meteor hit this planet instead?
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>>730931478
A roster of B-tier movie directors beg to differ.
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>>730926406
the actual reason I upgraded my rig
I mostly play rpg maker 2003 games
128 GB RAM btw
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>>730931731
Does Speccy actually know something we don’t?… hmmmmmmmmmmm
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>>730924371
I upgraded my pc in april. It's not cutting edge state of the art machine, but it's good enough to run all the games I wanted to play on the highest settings. And considering I swore off triple a sloppa a long time ago, it's gonna serve me just fine for at least a decade
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>>730931908
Speccy understands what DDR means.
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>>730924905
dlss sure
but frame gen? fucking lmao, your framerate gets a big fucking cut but you fell for it because nvidia had the idea to pass off what's effectively motion blur as more frames and you can't see past the bigger number
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>>730924371
I have a work MacBook that can run ToME, a PS5 for Shmups and Wizardry Variants Daphne installed on my phone (never spent a penny on it). I have no need to be scammed by dragons sitting atop their hoards of GPUs and RAM, convincing me I need them to engage with a hobby that has had <10 truly worthwhile experiences released in the last decade. I am free.
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>>730926303
This pretty much. Imagine playing aaa garbage in the current year
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>>730931836
Show me a soldier (which has to actually react in miliseconds) that says it matters after like 600 fps.
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>>730924371
I built mine on the tail end of October before the RAM hike. 64GB DDR5 is like fucking £600 - £800 nowadays when before it was around £150 - £250, it's mental
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>>730925552
>>730925458
SSDs are unreliable dogshit.
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>>730924371
no games to play
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Option A:
>Spend 5.000 on a new PC
Option B:
>Fuck a hot whore once per week for a whole year

What's the pro gamer move here?
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>>730934260
Spend 5.000 on a new PC, once per week for a whole year.
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>>730928708
remind me, isn't that a fiction book written by a communist that worked for the cia?
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>haha im so rich!!
>gets their own groceries
>sees the name brands of groceries when buying them
>having to do things yourself.
>no garage
>no house
>no true equity
>but muh ram xd
Kek, do you fags even escrow?
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Before I had a job, I was considering drastic measures to keep my Coronabox going, like paying $200 for an extremely low latency DDR4 kit to squeeze as much as I could from my 10850k (juiced 10900k) + 1080 ti, which actually punched way above it's weight for pretty much everything but ShadPS4 and UE5 bullshit. If anything, the most noticeable gains from picrel are emulation and anything involving
>compiling shaders
upon startup
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>>730934542
nobody in 4chn is rich. it is just full of mid class white people who pretend they have cash, when they don't even have somebody that cleand the house for them, unless they are a neet that abuses of his mother.
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>>730934293
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>>730924371
My pc just died
Do I replace the mb that's faulty
Or build a full new one?
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>>730934798
DDR4, start over.
DDR5, replace board.
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>>730934854
DDR3...
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>>730934260
>Spend $2,000 on a new computer
>Don't fuck whores because they're dirty
>Get a new vr headset and jack off to vr porn
I think this is the winning strategy if you ask me.
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>>730931731
>>730931908
ram speed mhz vs mts is like internet speed megabits vs megabytes. nobody knows what the difference is and everyone uses the numbers interchangeably
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>>730935117
sorry, but I am a nerd and I know what megabits and megabytes are. Not everybody is a normgroid llike you.
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>>730935284
but do you know why speccy shows half the actual ram speed
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>>730924371
>upgraded GPU for monhun
>still runs like shit because of CPU
>put off upgrading CPU
>now upgrading mobo+CPU+ram would cost my soul
it's over, i'll just keep emulating ps2 games
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>>730935389
doble data rate is the name of DDR. it means that two bits can travel through the same basic operation (a "hertz") which means you can simply do double the work in the same time as a SDRAM (single data rate ram).
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>>730935390
Just buy more dlc, that'll fix it lmao
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>>730934260
hot whore cost 1k+ per session anon
you only get like 5 escort visit at 5k budget
in this day and age hot whores just make only fans instead of whoring out physically
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>>730936091
where i live they cost 50-100 bucks
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>>730932102
Away back to school with you
1/600 of a second reaction time motherfucker
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>>730936606
last reply to your obvious bait
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>>730936450
Is that with or without a visit to venereologist afterwards?
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>>730936450
Ok enjoy your aids
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I did desu. I built a new one in like May of 2025. The only thing I didn't upgrade was my GPU and my anime/porn hard drive. licherally got 64 GB DDR5 RAM. I got mine.
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My 5900X and 9070 already run all my games.
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>>730924371
I built a new one in the end of 2022ish and it has a nice glass-side tower, a solid AMD Ryzen 7 7700X CPU, and RGB 32GB DDR5 RAM (so there'll be something to look at through the glass cover).
The only old piece is the GPU (Sapphire Radeon RX 580, 2017 tech), but has 8GB GDDR5 VRAM nonetheless and can run whatever I play just fine (the biggest games I ran on it were God of War 2018, The Witcher 3, and Cyberpunk 2077; all on mostly high setting, and while the resource monitoring readings all read 100%, the games ran no problem and I heard no mad fan action happening). Oh, also mid-range SteelSeries keyboard and mouse, as the olds ones weren't USB-plugable, that's how OLD my old PC was!

My old PC died because I plugged an HDMI cable in. I saw a little electric arc between my tower and cable tip, my computer shut down, and refused to turn back on. I think the motherboard was fried. But from plugging a monitor in? Really?!
I study CyberSec and need a strong PC to host several live virtual machines in my lab.
Because it was for school, my mom paid for the parts (thanks, mom!). It was all about ~1000-1550$ IIRC. Came partly built. I know how to build a PC from scratch, but didn't mind they fitted the motherboard in, mounted the PSU, and placed the CPU inside at the store lab; I did the rest.
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>>730924371
I don't care about PC because it has no exclusives worth caring about this gen. That's why.
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Upgrading from a 5800X3d and a 3080 didn't make sense at the time.
In hindsight would've splurged for a 5080, but it is what it is.
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>>730924371
I acknowledge objectively that everything is not fine, but I also had the good sense to get mine long ago. Why didn't you?
Unless you happen to be 7 and your dad is buying you right now your first computer so you don't grow a retarded tech illiterate imbecile, you have no excuses. And even then, your dad should have his own fully decked rig you could theoretically use (not ideal but feasible), plus old 8-10 year old rigs laying around he could hook you up with, so actually no you don't have any excuses at all unless you have an extremely shitty and retarded family.
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>>730924371
But I did. I didn't even need to since I only play old shit and my old PC is more than enough for it. At least now I have a spare in case something happens to the new one and shit gets too expensive to replace.
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I have rx 6600, it does legit everything I want it to do. What's with all the upgrade threads? Do you guys really play AAA slop? I am still using 32gb DDR4 ram and I see no reason to upgrade.

Guys, get better vidya taste. What the fuck.
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>>730925458
Why? PC works for anon's needs.
>>730925651
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO SPEND LOTS OF MONEY TO PLAY AND PREORDER AAA SLOP!!!!!!
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for what games, exactly? what was worth building a brand new PC for?
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Because I built one in 2024.
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>>730925384
>This is who says e33 is overrated
Bro you're stuck in 2012
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>>730924371
No games I want to play require a high end machine.
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Debt
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>>730926179
>12gb VRAM
Enjoy your aids.
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>>730924371
>frugal
>had the same PC for over 5 years
>decide to try star citizen again to see if they actually did anything worthwhile
>barely managing 60fps, usually just 40
>fucks sake, fuck it, I'll just upgrade
>month later RAM went to shit
I can't believe scam citizen saved me
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>>730931520
>As soon as I heard Nvidia and AMD were planning to raise GPU prices I bit the bullet and got a 9070 XT
Basically me too
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>>730941015
it has 16gb vram, incel
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>>730934260
>Buy someone else's PC off Craigslist for $600
>Move to Hawaii or Taiwan
>Spend $0 for 24/7 cock worship
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>>730929828
>128 gigs of it equals to ~96 of todays ddr4
How so?
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All I play is StarCraft 2 so I really could be using my old PC anyway.
Anyone know where I can sell computer parts?
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>>730927160
>Intel K version
NGMI
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>>730930440
>Pretty sure it would just lead to every rich guy that invested into it to become broke
Have you heard of so called "bailouts"?
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>16GB is the sweet spot for VRAM
>get a 5070 12GB
>64GB is the sweet spot for RAM
>get 48GB
I'm 25% retarded
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>>730931731
I fucking hate speccy cause it doesnt list your actual CPU on the summary page for whatever reason
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>>730941246
does this really work
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>>730941437
48gb is fine you tard, 12gb vram should still be fine at 1440p in latest slops
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>>730924371
My GTX 1660, 16GB ram and i5-9400F is enough for my indie and emulator needs and it can somehow run Wilds and Pragmata in 1440p therefore I do not need more
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>>730924371
I have no idea. i'm still using a 4670k so I really should have.
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>>730941530
so far I can play all I've tried on 1440p with no issues, just worried about the future
I have a little hopium based on forced optimization due to memory shortages
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>>730940825
Jokes on you, I don't even care to pirate E33, I just so happen to play games that I actually like, not FOTM slop.



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