Justify this
Anyone who complains about Razorbacks is an idiot, they're borderline useless because if you're using one it means you've got tunnel vision and aren't paying attention to the spy who pulls out a pistol.Real Sniper mains just listen for the cloak.
>>730924403Many of TF2's problems stem from decisions made back when the game had just released that Valve couldn't have possibly foreseen becoming a design issue later in the game's lifespan and are not as easy to fix now that so much of TF2 uses those poor decisions as a foundation, which combined with Valve doing the bare minimum to support the game in the present day means that it's unlikely the Razorback (or Sniper in general for that matter) will ever get the fundamental rework that it desperately needed for over a decade now
>>730924791>>730924403schizo thread
>>730924403The biggest class always cries the hardest.
>>730924462>>730925094Sniper main
>>730924403The game is more interesting if it's unbalanced.
>>730924403KONICHIWA DUDE!
>>730925409Agreed. Valve should just let me use the Valve Rocket Launcher in every match already.
>>730925534Outliers are the exception obviously, it's clearly a joke
>>730924403I don't think sniper would be a problem if we got rid of all the pub stompers. It's fair in the hands of a genuine casual but when tryhards play it, it becomes incredibly unfun to play against.
>>730924403It's an old game from 2007, almost 20 years ago when the industry was different and game design was much more different. Combine that with the game itself changing alongside its lifespan, and new weapons with mods added. Valve will never bother fixing this since this game is basically retro now.
>>730924791spbp
Everyone hates snipers thoughSurely it would be good game design then if they were easily countered or even just purposefully made garbage
>>730925463you gave me an idea
>>730926440kek
>>730924462Real spy mains don't use cloak
>>730924403The Heavy has a Medic behind him
>>730926626it pisses me off that the best way to play spy isnt default cloak.
>>730925463I see it now
>>730926283People hate dying in 1 hitI hadn't thought about how unfair the razorback was until recently.
>>730924403Heavy is a lot scarier with a medic and I'm pretty sure he was balanced around that.
>>730924462Razorback is extremely shitty for spy, you can't get a backstab and that means it's much harder to go away unscathed, having to use a gun alerts everyone and isn't instant and you can't get the bonuses of other knifes, sometimes the sniper also just has a medic boyfriend regardlessRazorback is a massive fucking issue sometimes, it's not just "use a gun lol"
>>730926816>>730928987snipper has a team in front of him. getting through the team to the snipper while hes shooting at your head is usually the hard part
>>730929567>get literally in close range to the sniper>put out your trusty ambassador>one easy headshot and one shot at point blank that is impossible to miss>sniper dieswow... razorback... is so pow4rful
>>730926440a pokemon creature? for that fire hat, he would more likely need a pail of water
>>730924403I never used razorbacksWaste of a slotIf you aren't able to sense spys coming on your own you don't need to be playing sniperGo play pyro where you can just mash W + M1
>>730929660What if I'm not using the ambassadorWhat if the l'etranger is a necessity to get close to the sniper to begin with(90 of cases)? Getting to a sniper isn't easy
peepee seems like a better spy deterrent anyways.
>>730929780>muh pyro is w+m1 go play a class that takes skill like sniperSniper is literally just m1, it is the easiest class in the game to play
>>730929819That’s the issue with online discussions like this. The other guy may be getting ONE perfect sniper kill with his ambassasor per game but because it was so perfect it now defines his entire skill level. And people listen.
>>730924791Not poor decisionsIt's completely fair of Valve not to expect that there'd be a community of autistic retards so obsessed that they'd have 2k+ hours on a casual fun shooter. Valve expected people to play TF2 casually for a year or two and then leave for new players to enjoy the game, not for people to spend ten years fixated on the game playing it every waking momentThat's both a testament to how well the game is made and also something which led to balancing being destroyed by exploits Valve simpy didn't consider
>>730924403Snipers effectively do not participate in the game other than when arrayed against other snipers, so even if it counters Spies, it is only being used in a game of Snipers vs other Snipers and is therefor irrelevant. Razorback effectively only changes the killcam you get when you get randomly sent back to spawn in the Sniper vs Sniper game.Introducing a counter matters much more and is much more disruptive if the class is actually taking part in the game and not just wanking on opposite ends of the map.
Spy doesn't actually "counter" anyone. Anyone can get the drop on sniper and kill him before he can reasonably react if he doesn't know it's happening, and likewise he can quickscope them if he does. At least other classes don't require him to be oblivious and at point blank.Spy countering heavy is especially laughable to me because 9 times out of 10 that involves spy running right up to the guy standing out in the open with his team almost certainly watching. You have bigger problems if you're a heavy being "hard countered" by spy.
>>730929853Heh ok pleb
>>730924462retard, modern snipers just fucking quickscope
>>730930112that still doesn't account for design choices that kick up a lot of shit even at the casual level. imagine if set bonuses were unchanged from pre-patch, and couldn't be turned into calling cards without killing a bunch of other vital mechanics in the crossfire.
Heavy is a way better pubstomp class than sniper
>>730929853
Tf2 is for Uncs
>>730924403The razorback is fucking shitWhy would you sacrifice Jarate, which is a literal team wipe on par with a fucking overwatch ultimate, for a single backstab prevention?!It truly boggles the mind
>>730932684not him but it's truebought a 500hz oled and this class just plays itselfi only have 30 hours on snigger out of my 5k hours in the game and it's so much fucking easier
>>730932612>get headshot>get backstabbed
>>730932761Because you being able to live for longer means you'll get more kills then Jarate would give you
>>730932771You're him, and you're a liar
>>730929819>What if the l'etranger is a necessity to get close to the sniper to begin withThis was never the case with launch tf2, so what changed that you cant use your cloak to get into the enemy lines anymore?
>>730932612How is scout situational Is there ever a time you dont want the fast character in the game that also has ridiculously fast TTK with his weapons?
>>730932821People have gotten better at the game
>>730924403>sniper is about to be backstabbed because he's not wearing his shield>heavy is still at over half health and his pocket medic just announced his uber is readyIt's stupid for the (shit) artist to point out the heavy has been backstabbed because the complaint is both>why does class I hate get spy immunityand>why do spies get to kill mewow, make up your mind!
>>730924403Konnichiwa dude!
>>730932857beep
>guy removes sniper from his server>universally players consider it an improvement>game plays much better>makes a video coping about how removing sniper didn't actually change anything
spy has a gun
>>730932786>Live longerThe Razorback does not help with this unless the spy started playing that week.>More kills then JarateI dont think you understand. Playing with your team, Jarate is a free teamfight win. Every single time. You cannot win in a teamfight when 2-3+ members of your team are all taking minicrits instead of regular damage without popping something crazy like uber or phlog or straight dipping an disengaging. Jarate and Mad Milk are both two of the most overpowered weapons in the game for this reasonThey're both low commitment crazy high impact grenades
>>730933219>The Razorback does not help with this unless the spy started playing that week.In every situation but "they are running Ambassador," Razorback improves your odds vs Spy by a mile, since they will have to shoot you and now there's time to turn back and quickscope them.
>>730932857How is he not? Scout is extremely reliant on map, player count, not having heavies/sentries on enemy team.
>>730933935Playing around heavy as a scout is trivial, what are you on
>>730934310>playing around 500 dps 300 hp class is trivialkys secondary
>>730934662literally walk up to him and keep pressing a d a d a dno one is tracking that shit
>>730926440Konnichiwa, dude!
>>730934825i knew you would say that, secondary dipshitwant me to add you on steam and test that against me? if you are not a nigger secondary?
>>730934825>getting within melee range of a heavy as a light classsee picrel
>>730935961surely my superior speed and dexterity will win :)
>>730927776It was when it was the only watch that refilled from ammo drops. Honestly it still probably is, cnd is still too fucking slow for me now.
>>730935961NTA but I killed plenty of Heavy's as a Scunt when I sweated on TF2
>>730924403kek
>>730926440I dig all pails of water!
>>730926440>Sloppa
6s is legitimately the most balanced and fun pvp game mode in any game. The only thing that keeps it from being perfect is the fact that you need people that enjoy rocket jumping enough to grind it out, so the playerbase goes under 1%. Not having to deal with snipers or engineers other than on last points as scout is the best shit ever, casual has never been the same since. It's not even a knock on casual, really, it's just how it is.
>>730936982Konichiwa, Dude!
>>730924403The problem is sniping in multiplayer FPS games. It takes away from the gameplay experience unless you’re the one doing it
>>730937154people offclass to sniper all the time, troll-chan
>>730937154I love 6’s but I remember it being a nightmare to find a full team. The only people trying to get matches were 1600elo “roamers” who were complete dogshit and died at mid in the first 25 seconds. Really wish valve had done more to support comp of any kind in this game when it mattered instead of letting it die on the vine.
>>730924403KONICHIWA DOKTOR
don't listen to sniperfagsi only pick sniper to counter those faggots and 90% of the time the gameplay is this, it's not as much fun as picking brass beast heavy and staying in a corner, but even with heavy there counterplayfuck all sniperfags
>>7309371546s might be more balanced but Highlander is soul
>>730938453The only people who like highlander don't play it
>>730935961you can't track a competent scout at melee range
>>730938453>wait for sniper to get the pick>this is the entire formatNo one enjoys highlander and the only people who do are pretending to because theyre buttmad that their class doesnt get played fulltime in 6s
>>730938648You're an idiot, anon.
>>730932612my 3k+ hours of pubs disagree
>>730938312nigga your saturation is all whack
>>730938648>tracking>melee
>>730939249>willingly spinning your gun down and switching to your fists because the fastest class in the game got within arm's reach for a second
still true to this day
>>730939071satura-what? (i legit just used a masterconfig and launch the game, i'm too much of a lazy chud to check all the settings)
>>730939324I strive to incorporate "OUT OF MY WAY YOU SERF" into my everyday speech
>>730932857>>730933935>>730934310>>730934662As someone with 7k hours I'd say both of you are correct to a certain degree.On average you're going to want a competent scout on your team for cleanup and handling any lone enemy players, but pub scenarios that shut down scout aren't exactly uncommon.The average pub heavy can be shut down by a good scout styling on him, but a good heavy can track and kill just about any scout that gets overconfident. If both scout and heavy are good it comes down to if the scout can catch the heavy out alone and harass him to death, using speed to pick when and where to peek for damage and grabbing health as needed.
>>730937474Yeah but taking sniper to mid is retarded, and if you die to a sniper, it's your fault 100%, and the off class becomes a good play instead of a bad one. It's not that there are never any snipers or engineers, it's that those classes aren't bullshit since you can just send a soldier to bomb onto them. I get to play scout and shit on opponents in DM while also getting to lead my team around, it's so fun when everyone is firing on all cylinders.
>>730924403Dodge bullet
>>730924403>>730926440Owari дa
>>730938648maybe learn to aim? you need like 10% accuracy to not kill scout at melee range
>>730941237>just send a soldier or demo rocketjumping bro>it work everytime unless on map where the sniper is around sentries, has a easy way to run away or just if the map is too open they can see you coming and headshot yousniper is always a shit class who always mess map design and other class weapons (35 more counters weapons for sniper please) and the whole "just play x" are bandages solution who work mostly only on the 2fort battlements
>>730941237yes as we all know the match ends immediately after the first mid fight, quit larping please
luv me aussie mate, he exposes all shitters immediately
>>730925409Sniper ruins fun and should be removed on that basis.
>>730938312>RAZORB...fundamentally shit hud
>>730942720mediocre snipers are a situational threat and add interesting strategic depth. assfuck snipers flip the game on its head.
>>730924462Wrong. As a spy main you should be using your gun, yes, but unless you use Amby or Diamond back you won't be able to take out the Sniper cleanly. This is why you should use the fencing taunt instead
>>730926626>>730927776What do you mean?
>>730924403He's just trying to get the Rasputin cheevo
>>730924403Shot the Sniper with an Ambassador, go in fast with Scout, rush or corner with Demoman. Sniper is good at guarding open sight lines, but easy to kill if you can flank or rush him.
>>730943036don't care it doesn't look like one of those minimal hud bullshit every compfag use
>>730943298dead ringer spies give me more trouble, and i give people more trouble when i stop acting too cool for the dead ringer. but ill have you know, im kind of shit at spy.
>>730924403*blocks you are path*
How would you fix Spy and make him fun, /v/?
>Introduced Ambassador as a power scaling weapon to counter Razorback-wearing Sniper>Ambassador got nerfed to the ground>Razorback nerf is only relevant in compfag modeWhy?
>>730943687Bring back Dr Enforcicle and un nerf the Amby
>>730943870Not being able to have overheal is still relevant in pubs, especially when dealing with enemy snipers.
>>730924403My bigger complaint is why doesn’t the Pyro have any survivability options?Demo Knights get all these damage resistances because they have to do all their damage up close, but Pyros don’t get the same when their primary is a close-range weapon that does pitiful damage?
>>730941925>>730941996Are you guys dumb? How could you misread what I've been saying this poorly? Some games do absolutely end after the first mid fight, but that's not even the point I was trying to make. You have 5 other people with you, so you can play around a sniper if you know he's there. Not knowing about a sniper and getting killed by him is just a good play by the other team.>Sniper around sentriesYou're talking about casual, I am not. I also agree that sniper is retarded, he's just 1000x more manageable in 6s
>>730944045Airblast
>>730926440
No you see, spy van become invisible so like, sniper has it very hard because like where could he be? Sniper has to watch his back at all times
>>730926440now put the smartphone on it
>>730944364The extremely loud uncloaking noise is all you need
>>730926626They absolutely fucking do>>730927776Every cloak is equally viable. No just becuase you get noob stomped by the a kuni deadringer spy doesnt make it op
