>make the most successful indie game of all time>do absolutely nothing else for 10 years>"wtf we're out of money"Maybe don't wait 10 years before you finally release your second game if you need money so badly?It's like they heard the current trend is "nobody is making money anymore and all the game studios are laying off their employees" and didn't stop to consider how their situation might be different.I'll still play it but this rubs me the wrong way.
It's worse than that OP>On February 2, 2022, a Kickstarter campaign was launched to support development, which raised USD$1,239,584 from 21,439 backers. When including other sources of crowdfunding, the game raised over USD$1,400,000 for the studio.
That'll be $1400000 plus tip
>>730926869>>730926326Why do they need 1.4 million dollars and 4+ years of development and to make a pixel game which could've been made in a few months in the GameBoy era?
I know nothing about game development, but I wonder how this happens.This looks like a Zelda romhack, they already got kickstarter money plus Hollow Knight money and still fail?I thought the point of these old-school pixel games is that you don't need huge teams for graphics and advanced technical shit, but can focus on the essentials like gameplay.
>>730926941I can make that for free in two weeks if I'm nigger enough to use AI for codding. 2 months if I rawdog and decide to code everything myself.
>>730926941OKAY NOW LET ME PLAY IT
>We spent around $9M making Shovel Knight
>>730927147Go ahead then
>>730927141>I know nothing about game development, but I wonder how this happens.The devs let the money go to their heads and moved into an exorbitantly expensive luxury office in a prime LA locationBasically, they mismanaged their funds and fucked around too much buying stupid shit instead of being conservative and smart with it
>>730927070To rent an office in beverly hills and grill next to the mouse porn vault.
>>730927262Damn that's crazy. If I make it big I'm moving in bumfuck knowhere buying a huge house with a dedicated office space to reduce overhead and just start bing chilling in peace with a small garden and some chickens while working on my autism game project.
>>730926326the game looks like shit and i hope it fails
>>730927262>moved into an exorbitantly expensive luxury office in a prime LA locationEpic. Reminds me of those lottery winners who win a sizable sum of money and immediately buy the most expensive luxury goods just to be broke again a few years later.
>>730927070>could've been made in a few months in the GameBoy era?Hell, a game like this could be made by a solodev in a year or two's time on ZERO fucking budget. We have games like that popping up all the time. What a bunch of idiots. The success of Shovel Knight really got to their heads.
>>730926326>the current trend is "nobody is making money anymore and all the game studios are laying off their employees" and didn't stop to consider how their situation might be different.this isn't true tho. this is just what every AAA studio says as cope after their shitty game nobody wants to play fails.
>>730926941rata sexo
>>730927551I remember Hotline Miami was made in less than a year because the two swedes that made it really liked Drive and wanted to make a video game of it. Unless this game is like 50 hours long I have no idea what could possibly justify such a budget. But I will be fair to them, Shovel Knight did end up really fucking long with all the expansions so maybe it actually will be.
what happened to all the shovel knight money?
>>730928667
>>730926941This is supposed to be a GBC-looking game? Embarrassing
>>730926326>>make the most successful indie game of all timeI don't think Shovel Knight was that big? Hollow Knight, Undertale and Stardew Valley are way more successful.
>>730927070Because they are jewish
>>730928667Spent making free stretch goals and updates and expansions
>>730927070Developers live in one of the most expensive cities in USA and they have a huge ego. All of their problems are self inflicted. They thought they were untouchable after Shovel Knight.
>>730929859I heard the area they moved into is known for parties tooThese faggots were just throwing their money away living it up in one of the most expensive areas in the most expensive state in the countryAnd they have the GALL to act like it's up to the gamers to save them>Pwease buy our game, I know you already donated 1.5 million dollars to us via kickstarter but if Mina doesn't sell a billion copies we can't make games anymore ;_;Fuck Yacht ClubBunch of faggots
Don't buy this game. Let these faggot devs die. They need to be humbled.
>>730927147no you can't
Any passerby in these threads think these are shills? The same or slightly rephrased questions/responses are posted, sometimes regurgitated, within a short time period. It should not be possible to recognize a user's stylometry this easily on an anonymous board, despite a majority of /v/ having a limited vocabulary.Day old threads have been common this week, but these threads get necroed from page 10's bottom 3 to page 1. Filtering them does nothing because, note, OP didn't include the company/game name in the post, until the filename. Noticed this the past couple of weeks with this specific thread, but brushed it off as the usual in house rambling.
>>730926326Shovel Knight 2 would have been better
>>730930457/v/ in general loves to talk shit on devs and especially failing studiosAlways searching for the next TORtanicAnd this particular case is funny because the devs are now begging for sales after having received millions in kickstarter funding over the years
>>730926941Lmao dead on arrival
>>730927372You can't do that when you aren't a solodev, retardbro. Your possible employees all live in the city.
>>730931076>Your possible employees all live in the city.It's the year 2026All my employees live wherever the fuck they want to live because we can work online
>>730930494They were working on 3D Shovel Knight, but they realized they couldn't handle two projects and cancelled the Shovel Knight project. I think they might've cancelled Mina instead if they didn't have Kickstarter obligations. Dropping their Kickstarter would kill all their goodwill fast.
>>730927070Stop asking questions and send more money to Ukraine
>>730931117>full remote memeTerrible idea if you actually want to get shit done, at least 1 or 2 days per week in the office should be mandatory
>>730926326>make the most successful indie game of all timeAre you fucking retarded?
>>730931374Sorry grandpa, I believe in letting the workers be comfortable and saving money by not renting out an expensive office just so we can LARP as big boy developers
>Yacht Club>goes broke
>>730931472clearly they were too bored to work on their game, bunch of apes
>>730931468We're talking about West Coast developers here, if you don't tard wrangle them in person from time to time they'll spend the entire day browsing Twitter or Reddit.
>>730930457Yes anon, this is a samefagged shill thread. We've been warning you about these for fucking years now, but you just don't fucking listen.
>>730931582I would never work with a "west coast developer" lmaoIf you live in California you're basically a second class citizen to me
how can it take 10 years to make some shitty NES-ass looking game the likes of which jp devs used to be able to pop out like clockwork every 6 months
It costs more than E33Wtf
>>730927141Shovel Knight, not Hollow Knight.
>>730931827Broke developers need to budget to survive.First time successful developers start flushing their money down the toilet so they can seen as the next big studio.
>>730929796No, they “only” spent 9 mil out of 24 mil they made on Shovel knight. They still had 15mil left
>>730926326Maybe shouldn't have bought the yacht
>>730930457Browsing /v/ is like being stuck in a time loop.Checking the catalogue the same threads with the same posts appear, sometimes for months. Checking the archives shows that they're indeed separate threads, but sometimes they were just the thread from yesterday still up. Maybe you are losing it a bit, browsing this place too often distorts the perception of time
>>730929976Exploiting retards astroturfing low quality indieshit is commendable. I hope it keeps happening.
How come the average indie developer stops making good games (or games entirely) after their first big hit? >Nuclear Throne>Enter the Gungeon >Backpack Heroes >Celeste>fucking Minecraft of all things is also on the list Devs like Hollow Knight seem to be the exception rather than norm. Shouldn't they be able to leverage their newfound knowledge and huge source of money to make something even better? Why are they getting worse instead? I don't get it.
>>730933165They got their bag. They won the game.Those who love the game will play it again even if they win.
>>730932851I take breaks from browsing this shithole but the repetition is already noticeable.And it‘s usually the same kind of weak bait. It‘s not even someone remaking threads after bump limit to discuss a subject. The Internet is dead.
>>730926326I'll never get these people. Make Shovel Knight. Retire. Put all the profit you got into some 5% Yiel safe shit and you don't have to work for a day in your life. Why the fuck do these people keep operating their studios and pretending to work wasting tons of money on tons of employees?Just retire.
>>730933165Money is the biggest motivator and when you wake up and working has become purely optional as you're already semi rich, then it's really hard to decide to work.
>>730927191It's a lot easier then you think watch. 16 people. 3 yearsEach gets an average 200k$ a year wage. 3,200,000 million on wages per year.Exactly 3 years. Game development is 5% Software, 5% some office+equipment. 90% wages. Thats it. Thats how these "indies" operate.
>>730933165If I became a millionaire overnight I'd also chill out and either stop working entirely, or only work when it's fun.
>>730929859Meanwhile Team Cherry live in one bedroom apartments so they have more time to spend drawing concept art and they have more money than God.
>>730933409But anonnnWe won't be in the progressive Californian cool guy club We have to impress all our friends and move into a big fancy office in a prime real estate spot! We have to hire a bunch of diverse folx so we're accepted by our peers!You saw how we donated to BLM right? Doesn't that mean anything to you?! We're on YOUR SIDE. Now support our lifestyle with another cool million or two in Mina sales, you wouldn't want to see us go out of business, right?We only want to make games, we would never frivolously spend your money.
>>730926326>make the most successful indie game of all timenot even close to the most succesful indie game of al time. not even in the to 50.
>>730926941I mean, I absolutely want to play it, but it's like a $10 game by all accounts. I honestly don't get why it's taken this long, when Shovel Knight seemed to have had a good development cycle
I was actually really interested in this but the demo put me off. It wasn't bad but it ended before much happened and I wasn't left wanting more. It was quite short and not the best showing I guess.
>>730926941This looks like a throwaway mini game made during a game dev jam or a GBA title.
>>730933165What anon here said. I was both rich and poor and it's 100% this.>>730933523Look at this, this is the Stardew valley creator, he developed his game on a HP pavilion dirt cheap Tri core CPU I dare say the Mackie CR3s are the most expensive thing on that desk.Did the make any new games since then? Did he do anything no. I was the same supergiga motivated in the 20s and when I made some good money the motivation went away. I can remote work from Japan(living in Japan is a dream of mine since 4chans /a/ in 2006 I'm a very old fag) or Korea 3 months a year. I can go wherever I want I can buy whatever I want. I try to keep a low profile on the job and I try to be useful enough to be noticed. They know I exist, I do stuff, but my preformance is 30% of what I did in my 20s when my first job was 400$ a month working some remote bullshit for some american company that was scaming me clear as day. But thats how I got to a good wage.
Thing is, Shovel Knight objectively wasn't a good game. It just came out at the right time, simple as.
>>730934156There is no such thing as objectivity.
>>730933725It's all about the person. I know people who work in IT and burned out, gray haired, have depression and so little energy they don't even play video games anymore. Don't interact socially with anyone and are just holled up in their room and I need to ask them 10 times to get them to go out of their room for a drink or some board games or anything really.On the flip side I know people that work in IT that work a full time IT job as a senior dev, have a github where they contribute to some important open source repository because it's fun, and when they start playing a game like Skyrim or Rimworld or Monhun they right away go and make mods because gosh darn it the game simply isn't playing the way the want it or they have some idea they won't let go.The reality is very few people acually work the jobs they were designed for to enjoy. Even if they're good at them.
>>730933165Hollow Knight devs don't really count because Silksong is fundamentally DLC for Hollow Knight. It's absolutely not a "new" game.
>>730934104Some people are driven to make art, some are driven to make money. Some start in category A and switch to category B once they've made enough money to be comfortable. That's allConcerned Ape is working on a new game, though: https://youtu.be/kJy7LF789lo
>>730934156It's a great action-platformer with lame bosses that got overhyped because there wasn't anything like it out at the time
>>730934402Haunted Chocolatier is vaporware, literally the Otherworld to his Terraria. It's been scrapped as a release and is in the process of being integrated into a free update for Stardew.
>>730934402And notch is working no another game and so is John Romero and so on... Oh and George Lucans does small indy movies for his family and friends. That game isn't coming in this decade.
>>730934104The crazy part is that a single dude in his bedroom understood HM gameplay better than the entirery of Natsume in 30 years.You can of course make the case that HM is cuter and subjectively cozier. But on the gameplay side, Stardew mogs the whole HM and RF franchises.
>>730934104>I can remote work from JapanHow? t. someone who wants the same
>>730926326>do absolutely nothing else for 10 yearsThey didn't do nothing.They moved to one of the most expensive office spaces in the world, the midway point between the two most costly parts of Los Angeles.
>>730934327>Silksong is fundamentally DLC for Hollow Knightyou didn't play the game.Silksong plays like a much different game than Hollow Knight. Same universe, different location, different main character, different NPCs, Hornet plays differently than the knight, etc.Silksong is a DLC that was turned into its own entire game, going from "Playable Hornet in Hallownest" to "Hornet being kidnapped, taken to another country, and saving it from her ancestors God"
>>730934327 You could say that, but at this point it's been in development longer than most actual sequels. They redid systems, added new mechanics, new world, new enemies, new story, new everything. If it still qualifies as DLC, then Bloodborne is just Dark Souls DLC too.
>>730934668This isn't rare. And it's because he was a single developer. He had a vision. HM and RF are done by team each with their own idea. I can bet you my balls that video essayist on Youtube that do 22 hour long videos on why Starcraft or Diablo is good would 100% know how to make banger RTS/ARPG sadly they don't have the money, programing / art skills and so on. If you watch Red Letter Media these guys would 100% make some ridiculous good movies, but they don't have the finances, they don't have the will power to manage entire production sets and the one movie they made they call it HELL. Sadly the production side of a movie and the hearding of cats is one thing and knowing how to make a good script and seeing all the flaws objectivey is another.
>>730926326I had no idea they ever nailed down a release date in the first place. I'll be buying MtH but hopefully in the future they won't take a decade to make their next game. Then again I suppose it's better to make a good game every decade than to crank out annual crap.
>>730933570> average 200k$ a year wageThat’s insane wage for indie devs
>>730934720What do you mean how? Ask company can I remote work, I'll be going to Japan for 3 months. Company says sure no problem but you better keep up your work schedule and you better show up for meetings we ain't adjusting to you.Thats it. I got a 3 month Airbnb, so all my housing shit is paid for, water, heat,electricity. No need to make contracts. You get a mobal sim card that has a Japanese number you can now use all the Japanese apps. I'm from Europe so now you're stuck with one thing. You have free time from 8 am to 4 pm and then from 4 pm to 12 pm, you work. Is it pretty nope, but I get to see Japan when it's not crowded. Weekends are the actual free time and it gets pretty packed as you're competing with all the Japs for trips. I was in Tokyo so on weekdays I limited myself to Tokyo(a stuff I could get to in about 1 hour or so) and on weekends I went to Yamanshi, Chiba, Saitama, Nagano, Niigata, Nagoya etc... It doesn't feel very touristy I can tell you that after a month you feel like you're living there and don't have much free time. But it's still beats the shit out of sitting in my room all day in the Balkans.Or is there anything more specific you wanna know? Remember Ikea, Nitori, Muji, Loft, Daiso, Donki, Tokyu, Seria and all the second hand Bookoff/Hardoff, Mercari, Tresure factory are there. You can get what you need there even if your Airbnb doesn't have it for cheap. My Airbn didn't have a proper office chair so I jsut got one in Hardoff. Asked the Airbnb owner he was happy. Another year my bed was dogshit. So I just got a mattress. Another year I wanted a standing desk so I got one. My apartment was stuffy so I was like maybe this shit is air tight so I got a CO2 meter. Money solves problems.
>>730926941this game has at least a hundred hours of content, a giant complex overworld, and tons of enemy variety, right?
>>730926326>>make the most successful indie game of all timeand only work on that for years, just to release all new content for it for free and keep hiring new people.zero foresight.
>>730931374ah yes, very corporate as indie art requires.
>>730935283Average doesn't need to mean the entire 16 team is getting that much but maybe the CEO is getting 400k$ etc... But thats not insane for Los Angeles, California and the fact that most of the devs worked in WayForward a 35 year old Video game developer. https://shantae.fandom.com/wiki/Nick_Wozniakhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/david-d-angelo-70214313/https://www.linkedin.com/in/ian-flood-ab3b219/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmp9QcJlLdAThere are all senior developers with 10+ years of experience and university degrees you think they'll accept 30k$ a year?
>>730927141you hire 10 people to do the same job and surprised pikachu face when they can't agree on anything let alone produce what was agreed on.so you hire another person to take the individual offerings of each employee, and mush it together so it works.at least YC made shovel knight first. idk why the FUCK chucklefish survived starbound's launch when their entire portfolio was 'used to work on terraria'
>>730935381Oh so you're working remotely, I see. I was wondering if you managed to get a job in Japan and have them give you a proper visa or something. I assume you're using the digital nomad visa? Funnily enough I'm from Balkans too. I guess it really all comes down to grinding as much money as I can if I want to get there. You ever had trouble with the AirBNB owner/landlord or neighbors? What do you tell people you meet there? What do you do with the furniture you bought when you leave?
Shovel Knight was released 11 years ago., and they have had nothing since then.
>>730934618Otherworld was being handled by another studio and red just canned it because it wasn't looking good
>>73093357016 people earning $200k a year could make a fucking suspension bridge you fucking dickhead. That's a lot of fucking money and a lot of fucking time
>>730935621>theirOnly Tiy did, the rest were people he picked up and I don't think they made anything after Starbound, they just act as a publisher now
>>730935460They actually have gradually increased the price of the game over years from $15 to the current $40 as they added more content, so it's not like they made zero dollars on the DLC. They just gave it out for free to existing owners.And that's not counting Dig and Pocket Dungeon which both cost money, and the upcoming remake of Shovel of Hope which will also be a separate purchase.They really have tried to squeeze as much money as they can out of Shovel Knight without technically adding paid DLC.
>>730935381You can however if you are confident enough in your Japanese skills get stuff like this. It's short term stay apartments where you need to make contracts with all the utilities and stuff. It ends up being cheaper and usually closer to good things.https://www.tokyocityapartments.net/ - Student oneshttps://tokyo-furnished.com/https://www.sumyca.com/enhttps://www.weave-living.com/tokyo - For the expensive oneshttps://www.oakhouse.jp/eng/apartment#letsgomodal - You can live in a share house where you just have a room thats the cheapest never done it. https://www.sakura-house.com/Also going in Winter is by far the cheapest. You don't need to pay for heating here in Europe and you get the cheapest accommodation because nobody goes to Japan in winter.>>730935675I considered that but they wages are too low. My US/European(I switched jobs) company pays double the salary I'd get in Toyko. And were too low back when I was looking in 2022. Nope you get a normal 3 month visa. And you tell nobody you're working. It's 3 months. You wanna stay longer I guess you could go to Korea and return but I doubt you can do that many times. I you actually want to live in Japan findling a job is best. I never did that I was happy with 3 months per year.I also own a house here in Europe so I'd have to sell it and all.
>I have money now so I don't want to make games anymoreYou never had passion to games to begin with. You just loved to use them to kill your time.
>>730926941Is this another game that's only going to have two buttons because "that's what the original hardware we're pretending to use had"? Like I enjoyed Shovel Knight but it would have been a better game if you could actually make full use of a controller and it's frustrating that you can't.
>>730935571>maybe the CEO is getting 400k$ etc... anon just stop being retarded
>>730936089NTA but if in few years world doesn't turn to shit I'd like to try that too. My coworker lived for 6 months in Poland and only arrived to office twice a year so I can confidently say I could take 3 months remote work in Japan
>>730935675>You ever had trouble with the AirBNB owner/landlord or neighbors? I am a by the rules I think of what others will think type of guy. I have the Japanese mentality thats why I like Japan, I hate when people listen to loud music in public etc... I have over 5 years had zero issues. I visited Japan before 4 times before I started remote working from there so I was already familiar with all the trash separation rules, house rules and all of that. I'm the type of guy who in winter will set the AC to 21°c so the Airbnb host won't even think of complaining that I'm using too much power. I grew up poor and I was drilled to save. I still have a lot of that brainwashing poor fag mentality in me.>What do you tell people you meet there?Depends on the level of trust. Friends the truth, Stangers, Long Vacation. Places I visited multiple times mix.>What do you do with the furniture you bought when you leave?Well looking at the Airbinb listings the owners kept it there and now it's theirs. Like they have the stuff in the images. For example here the Table I bought. Still sitting in the same place I put it.
>>730933165Limitations breed creativity. The more money you spend the less limitations you have.
>>730926941mogged by https://store.steampowered.com/app/2870350/Pipistrello_and_the_Cursed_Yoyo/
>>730936259Japan autsitic about a lot of stuff but they tolerate a lot. Well less recently as more tourist show up. So it shoudn't be a problem if you're not a typical balkan retard. And since you're on /v/ 4chan probably not.In my country trash is Plastic, Paper, everything else. Very few people actually care about the recycling part. In Japan they're giga autistic about it depending on where you live. Every day is another type of trash, every block has a trash collection "station" You have burnable, non burnable, cans, bottles, glass. Cardboards and Newspapers need to be cut open in sheets and tied with a string. But milk/yogurt packages are seperate on a sperate day.PET bottles need to be without caps and washed. Cans too need to be washed. Glass too needs to be washed. Then once a month you have electronics garbage, metal garbage like spray cans or knives or pans, "hazardous" garbage like batteries, neon lights, button batteries and so on. Once you get used to it's a rouite. Some Airbnbs will simply tell you to leave your garbage somewhere in a bin and they'll collect it. Some will tell you to deal with it. It all depends. This is just one of many quircks for long stays in Japan.I once broke my luggage(I accidentally stepped on a wheel while waking up and cracked the whole thing) so I had to call in my broken Japanese the trash service to pick it up and had to pay 500 yen for it.
>>730933783Making this canon is the only way to save this game, but they still won't do it.
>>730936259If you're doing a good job and not distributing the company I think anyone will be okay with you doing whatever. As long as you do a good job. On time and finished. My suggestion is go there on vacation, and then in the last week of it simply work from there. See how it feels. If you like it you can come back next year and do full 3 months. Or well technically 89 days.
>>730931374>Terrible idea if you actually want to get shit done, at least 1 or 2 days per week in the office should be mandatoryAbsolutely retarded. If your employees aren't capable of getting shit done location doesn't matter, they won't be productive in the office either. The anti-remote meme is espoused by jealous tradefags and seething NEETs that don't want people to be allowed to stay at home all day like them, except also make money.
>>730936330>>730936089Thanks guys. Honestly I don't even want to live there permanently, I don't want to become another immigrant in someone else's country and shit it up. I was fully content with just going there once a year for akiba and comiket. But the idea of living there for just a couple of months hasn't even occurred to me, though it sounds very appealing, as a nice middle-ground between not wanting to move there but still wanting to check things out without the rush of being on an usual vacation. You've given me a new long term goal to work towards to, so thanks.
>>730926326Thats not Notch.
>>730929424This, the anons in this thread are fucking retarded. Shovel Knight was comprised of multiple games, it was a whole series, it didn't sell quite that well.
>>730935175>I can bet you my balls that video essayist on Youtube that do 22 hour long videos on why Starcraft or Diablo is good would 100% know how to make banger RTS/ARPG sadly they don't have the money, programing / art skills and so on. Not so sure about that. Yahtzee made this game https://store.steampowered.com/app/2448930/Starstruck_Vagabond/Game Maker's Toolkit made this game. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2685900/Mind_Over_Magnet/Both of them extensively made a career of talking about good game design, but the sales are quite pitiful when you consider the sheer amount of subscribers they have on YouTube.
>>730935175>I can bet you my balls that video essayist on Youtube that do 22 hour long videos on why Starcraft or Diablo is good would 100% know how to make banger RTS/ARPGYou're unironic retarded. Just because you can describe that something is good because of X,Y,Z doesn't mean you can yourself make something good. Every time movie critics made their own movies it was complete shit
>>730926326I want to play the game. I’m sure it will be good but nothing special.
>>730926326I know their business practices are dogshit, but Link's Awakening/Oracles games combined with Castlevania is a great concept so I backed it just enough to get a copy.Also rato sexo
>>730926326No indie dev can make a good Zelda clone, there's never been a single one as good as a normal Zelda title
>>730941814Binding of Isaac is better than any Zelda.
>this was supposed to release on 'ween 2025>almost 3 months later and it's still "tba"???
>>730941889>rogueliteThat guy didn't have to design a world or progression or levels, it's just randomized rooms
>>730941889Rogueslop will never be good.
>>730928667It's been 12 years since Shovel Knight and it's a studio of people rather than a small handful of people.
>>730941889Lol. Lmao even.
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>>730942046>>730942067>>730942345>every zelda game>omg there is a room with 4 torches and two are not lit and I have this tool that can make fire>literally multiple instances of this same puzzle in every zelda game to this day>wind waker had this like 40-50 times over the game >plays a jingle like you accomplished something when you solved the retard puzzle>11-12 variants of this garbage make up the puzzles in every gameThe best thing while you will cope about this but it's completely factual. Keep playing your retard series made for retards. Pic related.
>meanwhile Lufia 2 puzzles
