>what happened to fun Video games became institutionalized and their culture of origin changed. During the 90s and early 00s the people who made video games were Computer Science Nerds, who either were obsessed with the technology itself or the artistic expression the technology allowed them to have. The media these people consumed was also quite different from today, you must remember that the people who made games until the 7th generation grew up largely without the Internet and got their ideas from books, movies and magazines.The people who came afterwards and who are making games for the big publishers today are basically just codemonkeys compared to these guys. They are some deadbeat college student who gets tricked into a degree to become a video game developer, during his time he learns from pozzed university professors without job experience how to make modern “games”, with that useless degree he will apply for a job by one of the big studios who are owned by their publishers, and these studios use him like a slave to create a game after the designs made by crony crayon-munchers from the marketing department. In the past, most developers were permanent employee, today most people you see in the end credits are temp workers.The nature of game design also changed, in the past video games were used as a proof of concept for the technology that run them, today's games try to exploit human behavior and psychology to make them addicted to subscription models. Alternatively, the game is just a front for more devious activities, like XCOM: Chimera Squad titel which is mining data about how you use your computer and sends it to Amazon, Microsoft, Google and XSolla.
>>730941504Lil retard bro did you try to make a cursive f and mess it up and still saved this to show off? You know what they say about people that can't write or read in cursive right?
It's not just videogames but it's most media that had a shift.Beforehand people would use said mediums to bring their IRL hobbies be it videogames, mangas, books, movies.Now you get videogames made by dudes who's only hobby are games, mangas drawn by dudes who only read mangas, etc.
>>730941504You're such a retarded nigger. 99% of all games published in the 90s and 00s was shovelware fucking garbage. Literal piles of shit that nobody remembers. You choose to selectively remember the best games from two decades and then pick out some mediocre games from today to compare them to instead of the actual best games of the last years. You love saying shit used to be all awesome and is now all ass because it justifies you spending all day rotting in your bed and wasting your life posting crying threads on /v/ if you can convince yourself there is nothing left being made in the world that's of any value. If that's so badly how you want to spend your time, could you at least speed to the end and kill yourself instead of making us listen to your fatalistic fantasy retelling of history?
>>730942285dumb zoomer
>>730941504>The state of vidyaIt'd be funny if this was a lol thread.
>>730941504>"muh cultural origins"videogames were always products faggot. go play an indie game.
>>730941504True.
>>730942359>>730941504I'm sure this mogs Elden Ring or Silksong.
>>730941504money.once investors heard they can make bank with videogames, it was over.
More like back then life was cheaper so they can risk a lot of things compared to now. The tops tell them what to make in order to keep the jobs
>>730943154>le developers had to take risks>le worse technology forced devs to innovateI’m not gonna say you’re wrong, but these two points get brought up every single time there’s a discussion about the decline of gaming and why old games are better, and it gets tiring
>>730943785did i say anything about the technology is the reason why devs can’t risk? You can’t read for shits then trying to prove me wrong
>>730941504Idk what you are hoping to achieve here boss, you are preaching to the choir.
>>730943951I wasn’t trying to prove you wrong as I said in my postI was saying those two points have been stated a million times, including yours about devs needing to take risks.It’s the whole necessity breeds innovation argument that’s become stale, often posted with that movie scene of the guy complaining about art getting worse as technology improves that I’m sure you’ve also seen many times
>>730941504Sites like 4chan are part of the problem. Nothing but parasitic scum. Where do you go on the internet to find creatives to collaborate with nowadays? There's nowhere.
>>730941821>he says to a pic from 2009
>>730945618Golems have to start every thread with bad trolling. Please understand
>>730941504Pathetic fucking leftoid faggot
>>730941504>wall of text about how you're a gay little manchildgo back
>>730942285It's funny because you're right about shovelware games back then, but at least there were many good AAA games as well. Now AAA titles are basically shovelware
>>730946112>>730946280dumb zoomer
>>730941504Irrefutable facts.
>>730942285oh, boo hooso lets compare the good games then to the "good" games now
>follow the development of a fangame by a bunch of dedicated autist nerds>every time they change something to express what they personally want out of the gameplay orwhat they think is fun, no matter how reasonable their expectations are, a bunch of autistic retards scream at them to stop>eventually they stop communicating with users altogether>they finally release it after 5 years indev>has some obvious issues, but is overall fucking incredible>people start sending death threats to the devs and doxxing them because the game being designed to the niche sensibilities of a bunch of autist nerds means that it's obviously not for everyone>75% of the devteam quits, partially because they're working on an actual paid project and don't want the stress/harassment to follow them to that>the remaining 25% bang out a bunch of quick fix updates, then get to work on a major overhaul patch and ascends the game from an 8/10 to a full-blown 10/10>this takes a year>it comes out>people immediately sperg at the devs againHobbyists devs with passion and creativity are still around and you fags don't deserve them.
>>73094693090% of internet users deserve to have their throat slit
>>730946930not sure what you are talking about but i think most of them quitted because 5 years are a lot and they want to do newer things. Happens a lot
>>730946930>all this shit>he doesnt say what the actual game isi know this is /v/, the home of contrarian assholes, put your money where your mouth is and tell us what game youre talking about, fag
>>730947501https://www.kartkrew.org/
>>730947501This is a place where delusions run wild so what do you expect?There are niggers spread madeup shits daily and the mass still eat it up
>>730941995>Now you get videogames made by dudes who's only hobby are games, mangas drawn by dudes who only read mangas, etc.>dudesClose but not quite. More like multi ethnic foids. And their only hobby is scrolling though social media, and dating white guys while shitting on white men on social media
>>730941504>SaggetI don't understand.
>>730941504You can't monetize fun. Thats why Indies are having a boom while big studios are dying.
>>730948089>You can't monetize fun.Explain the success of gachas then
>>730949079Anon that's gambling. An addiction. But I realize we would be arguing semantics going forward. So I'll say you're half right.
>>730946930>>730947670>comes from a line of related FOSS projects that apparently spans nearly 20 years>expecting a total refusal of collaboration to be met with praise regardless of how retarded the suggestions are or how the actual game comes outif you stop communicating and then keep doing the thing a bunch of autistic SONIC-ASSOCIATED retards were complaining about then yeah, what do you expectthe least you could do is establish it as a completely unrelated project right from the start, perhaps even with a different IP altogether to distance it more
>>730941504>SaggetWhat did they mean by this?
>>730949196>total refusal of collaborationt. autist who sperged out because it wasn't exactly the same as your modded SRB2K server
>>730949310I don't know what you're on about but based on that response you deserve what you got
>>730949196They didn't reguse collaboration, they just stopped giving public teasers. People developing mods for the FOSS projects it splintered from were frequently recruited to help with development, nad the most recent patch has a ton of fixes done by merge requests to the public gitlab.
>>730941504Game engines are a gateway developer kit of the worst kind. They are bad developement tools, a clusterfuck of code and unoptimization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in easy to use tools and GRAPHICS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the engines themselves, regardless of their opinion, are plain bad. However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& jeets who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The unoptimized games all trying their hardest to look photorealistic, the shadows, peculiar, dynamic lighting, the whole raytracing faggotry and everything about the engines fuels their real physics fantasies, While the arrogant description of the engines the emphasis on realism and real-time performance, and the general simplicity of the engine perfectly suit the untrained skills of the average modern, western developer and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes Indians eat this shit right the fuck up. Engines are basically THE worst dev tools to attract the most hated people known to /v/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of their threads and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no game engine threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
>>730949606That's a little more reasonable at least, but it's still not unexpected that certain autists kept 5 years of resentment for it
