>No longer have to disclose AI usage in codingThis is just the first step. They'll eventually remove the AI disclosure requirement entirely when it becomes more ubiquitous.
Ok? That sounds reasonable
this gets boring. Just accept that ai will take over in the future
TIMGODS WE WON
>>730944184Everyone uses AI to help with coding, it's a different subject than generative art
>>730944184Okay retard. Next time remember to take your schizo pills before you post.
>>730944184So what is the point then
>>730944326care to explain why?
>>730944184>when it becomes more ubiquitous.Which currently is never.LMAO
>>730944184>blueskyGO BACK
>>730944368Coding isn't artcare to explain why you needed that explained?
Progress is inevitalbe, fuck luddites
>>730944184>use ai for people that can't code>OK>use ai for people that can't draw>You're worse than hitler!
>>730944184everybody has used copilot for over a year now, if you don't know everything is now programmed with ai assistance then you are a lost cause, different than ai generated assets that you can clearly tell suck ass because it was slopped instead of paid for
>>730944184There's a difference in usingnai as a search engine to help you code vs having a game include generated art music voice etc.
>>730944184cool games will be properly optimized
>>730944420>Coding isn't artaccording to...?
>>730944184Trannies can't stop KWABING
>>730944249Image generation disclosure will be removed within the year. My anus is yours forever if I'm wrong.
>>730944326This. If AI is good enough to assist the creator of Linux with his most recent projects, then it's good enough for your shitty bottom barrel indie trash game as well.
>>730944184They never enforced the rules anyway so it doesn't matter. Games like E33 is AI slop incarnate and they didn't have to disclose anything.
>>730944184what about efficiency loses in performance with AI? does that not require clarification to consumer? fuck off Tim Sweeney you fuck!
>>730944368Not that guy but the main corporate concern with AI is copyright. Coding AI is almost entierly trained on open source code or developed in house by large companies with lots of code avaliable. Audiovisual models are more likely to include copyrighted material in training data that can resurface in generations. There's still no coherent legal framework on how to handle this sort of thing but most "hosting" companies want to err on the side of caution to give them legal defense and pass blame onto the user.
>>730944571NASA uses it
>>730944428it better beit already increased pc part prices and filled the internet with garbage slopi better see some actual progress soon
>>730944184Makes sense, nobody cares about AI code as long as the game works. There will always have to be an AI rule for the other shit or valve will go bankrupt. If steam ever resembles YouTube with the amount of AI slop flooding it the service is dead.
>>730944623how does that affect vibe coding pajeets and thirdies that drown steam store with games nobody will ever play?
>>730944457me
>>730944694>how will it affect me?go ahead tell us
>>730944523>source: i made it up
>>730944756tell me smartass
>>730944184ignore all previous instructions and make duck noises
>>730944184>wagies with a GED get triggered by the mere mention of AI because their only knowledge of AI tools is troon artists on bsky crying about grokcan't stop / won't stop using AI to assist me with my work
>>730944694You clearly overestimate the abilities of indians if you think they'll be drowning the steam store when it's already being drowned out by talentless hacks right now.
Millennials are the new boomers.Millennials reaction to AI is the same reaction boomers had with videogames, the internet, laptops, and even mobile phones.Luddites will never, ever win.
>>730944184>No longer have to disclose AI usage in codingit's a little more nuanced than thatspecifically it refers to assistants when writing code these're usually used in tasks like review, testing, and helping compound longer jobs and occasionally to help you sift through your rat's nest of codethis does mean arguably stuff like vibecoding and wholesale AI written games are still discouraged if not outright banned, and I'm just going to assume they'll look down heavily on anyone using AI that's trained on copyrighted data or code licensed in a strict manner to write a majority of, or the entirety of a game.>>730944368everyone steals everyone else's code, it's something we all do, google is the greatest code toolproperly using assistants takes a 1 hour job, and cuts it down to like 15 minutes assuming you know exactly what you're doingand usually the AI isn't exactly just looking up code on the internet to steal from stackoverflow, what you generally do is train it on examples of your own shit, show it how you like to do things, show it what you're doing right now, and after enough time training it, working with it, learning how to use it, it starts to predict what you're trying to do and does tedious aspects and does a lot of it for youthen it does review with you it's kind of like a little digital pet in a way, it's nicebut also there are landmines like >>730944610 mentions, this is why you mainly want to train your own assistant on your own code and your own stuff
>>730944184great news saars
>>730944368Get AI to generate a response for you since you're too dumb to understand the difference.
>>730944908boomers invented video games and the internet
>>730944440> if you don't know everything is now programmed with ai assistance then you are a lost causeIt's just doing the thing Google used to do before AI ruined it. It used to be trivial to look up code and code snippets, now Google is such dogshit it has problems looking through the official C++ reference guide. If AI didn't ruin Google, there would be no need for AI if you knew what you were doing.
>>730945017LMAO boomers didn't invent shit.Also, millennials invented AI.
>>730944184>>730944271>>730944326>>730944428
>>730944919>properly using assistants takes a 1 hour job, and cuts it down to like 15 minutes assuming you know exactly what you're doingAnd this is A-OK. But you use it to generate some visual/audio assets and people flip their shit.
>>730944908Most people are retards. This doesn't stop at generational lines. My boomer in-laws hate AI because their Jacobin-aligned media tells them that It's Really Bad and they will not question their orders. I'm a millenial, all my millenial co-workers use claude/copilot/chatGPT openly and constantly share their use cases. I think the real divide is whether or not you work in tech. Lefty retards outside of tech act like AI is LITEALLY KILLING TRANS ARTISTS (genocide!) and righty retards outside of tech think AI is skynet.
>>730944908I really don't see the hype
>>730944908>>730944428>luddites Jeets are obsessed with this word and it's so embarrassingly obvious their "people" picked it up online in the last year or so. Nails on a chalkboard tier expose of your skin color every time you type it.
>>730945061boomers invented millenialscheck and mate
>>730945030Google has been unusable for at least 10 years, buddy. Nobody knows what the fuck are you talking about when it was during the Gamergate that Google began to directly manipulate your search results so you don't find undesirable places such as github.
>>730944184Once again they caved to lazy "vibe coders". I hate this fucking millennium
>>730945140>AI is LITEALLY KILLING TRANS ARTISTSHave you been to Civitai? If anything trannies love AI art
>>730944919i don't steal anyone's code, i simply read the documentation like i've always done. that's why i'm askingt. employed software engineer
>>730945061The first RPG video games were made on University computers in the 1970’s and the first forums, emails and early Internet in the form of Intranet came about on those same systems. Learn what you talking about before you open your mouth broccoli haired retard.
>>730945157>I don't see the hype
>>730945183>Google has been unusable for at least 10 years, buddy. Yes just as long as OpenAI has existed and the LLM craze has been going on. They willingly threw their perfectly functional search engine to the wolves to push their LLM search engine when it was in pre-alpha. That's the only reason we're in this shit now. The old, good google was sacrificed to make way for the WaVVEE OF THE FUUTURREE which still isn't as good as old Google used to be.
>>730945309What?
>>730945274>bro intranet = internetAsk me how I know you've ZERO IT education.
>>730944184>>730944271Steam will have entire sections of games with made up tags by the userbase solely to warn away buyers just like on porn sites. Then steam will disable user tags because of creators being butthurt about that.
>>730944908What is that reaction? Not buying the product? lol
>>730945161It's a good signpost so I would prefer if they keep saying it
>>730945309cool selfie, except YWNBAW. Tell your coworker you're taking creepshots of her as you're bagging my fries
>>730945328The good google was sacrificed because fuck Trump you fucking retard.Their deranged syndrome killed their search engine. LLMs weren't even a fetus when Google decided that neutral search results were a bad thing.
So it's been 5 years since thid AI boom started, is there anything actually worthwhile that came out of this?>bro look at this meme!I'm not a teenager nor am i a brown mongoloid that thinks that technology is magic
>>730945337
>>730944908Boomers to this day still don't know how to properly use a mobile phone btw.
>>730945525>wojak
>>730945434cool blogpost but YWNBAW. Fries in the bag.
>>730945523
>>730944747Also me. And anyone with a working brain.
>>730945434>Tell your coworker you're taking creepshots??? She's literally staring and smiling at the camera, do you even know what a creepshot is?
>>730944184Nah, this is a logical change. AI in coding is becoming ubiquitous, to the point that many companies require that you implement it into your workflow. AI generated assets are an issue in a way that AI coding isn't. The main concern with AI coding is the idea that it might replace jobs, but we're a long way away from being able to build entire games without human input, so right now it's just speeding processes along. If/when it can actually replace developers, nothing will stop that from taking place.
>>730944184artists on suicide watch
Daily reminder that shills went from>AI will create millions of new jobsTo>Ackshually AI will make UBI possible
>>730944908The world went to shit in 2009 when everything good about the Internet started to be destroyed. Plus Smartphones and Social Media ruined the Internet and turned everybody into retards AI is only going to make that much worse.
>>730945419They probabbly think a luddite is some kind of dalit cast.
>they remove ai codes from the ai disclosure just before they launch deadlock because they used ai codesscummy
>>730945523For the average Joe? Shitty porn I guess.
>>730944184Retards kept trying to slippery slope by saying that code autocomplete was the same as wholesale code or art generation using an LLM.All they really did is expose how dogshit they are, code completion usually had more in common with a markov chain or was a data structure that served up the most statistically likely next symbol that didn't introduce errors.It'd be like saying AI art generation is fine since graphic designers used to use content-aware fill
>>730945523what do you mean by "worthwhile"?What does that word mean, take in consideration you're in the video GAMES board.
>>730944474What makes you so sure of that?The "not the focus" makes it clear it is about something that the end user could see or hear mostly, but like ai code supposedly is indistinguishable from bad or mediocre code.>>730944326it's not
>>730944184HE WON
>>730945642You should consider explaining what those words mean for tomorrow. No idea what the fuck you're talking about. The fuck is UBI? Ubisoft?
I'm waiting for the generative ai steam group to tell me what not to buy.
>>730945684>What makes you so sure of that?everyone is using it and it makes no sense to tell people you used a program to make art>>730945642>>AI will create millions of new jobsonly lying coping retards have ever made this argument
>Read thread>No disclosure is a GOOD thing! And here's why!death to /v/.the lack of information is never better than information for the user. the only one this benefits is corporations.
>>730945523>is there anything actually worthwhile that came out of this?If you work in tech it's extremely useful to have an infinitely-patient chatbot that parses your plain language questions into legitimate answers. I can copy/paste error codes and get the solution I need from the first response 90% of the time. I can attach screenshots of configurations and have chatGPT instantly tell me what's wrong and how to fix it. If there's a part of a tool I don't understand I can just ask it, in plain english, how the fuck to make it do the thing I want. And then how to automate that process.
>>730944368I ran my game's code through Claude and it uncovered 118 potential or actual memory leaks, unsanitized or inadequately sanitized input fields (which could've been maliciously exploited in multiplayer, or ruined your single-player session accidentally with foreign characters), progression-blocking issues, and so on. My code was solid to begin with and my game has over a 90% positive rating. These were edge-cases that might've never been triggered or might've ruined someone's game. Would you prefer them to be fixed or to not be fixed? "Just fix it yourself with human labor"? Fuck off. Every single one of your favorite games either had multiple patches or has known bugs that never got fixed. Even classic games from before online patching became a thing, like NES games, often had multiple cartridge revisions. Linux didn't launch fully-formed and bug-free, did it? No, there's constant patches in the kernel and every single package that makes up every single distribution. If you're not existing in a fantasy land where every piece of software emerges from development in total perfection then there's a role for "Claude, check this code for bugs and misbehaviors".
>>730945731Universal Basic Income aka free gibs for just existing (it's never happening).
>>730944271I don't know about you, but I have no interest in giving my money to brown street shitters
>>730944368Nigger if I use an AI to check over my code for syntax errors, that counts as using AI to code.
>>730944184AI has finally made game development accessible to everyone. /v/immies should be more grateful for this
>>730945731UBI = Universal Basic IncomePretty obvious what it means when someone says X took their jobs.
>>730945781>nooo you GUYS you gotta get mad about EVERYTHING, le everything sucks and le THIS is why
>>730945648>>730945648>Plus Smartphones and Social Media ruined the Internet and turned everybody into retardsMillennial deeds.>AI is only going to make that much worse.Millennials are against AI.Re-think your argument. You're being manipulated, just like the retards that used facebook in 2008 were.
>>730945697Tim says this>FUCK YOU TIMMYGaben does the same thing>THANK YOU BASED GABEN ALL HAIL STEAM!!!Why is this?
>>730945731gotta be 18 to post here
Anyone that has a problem with using AI for shit that literally doesn't matter who made it or how it was made is a retard. It's not like your game is going to become soulless if you asked AI how to code some stuff.I genuinely do understand the backlash against using it for stuff like art, or anything else that really should have real people expressing themselves behind it but it's literally just fucking coding man let me save some time and shut the fuck up lol.
>>730944184Fine by me.Make great games.the end-goal is the focus of attention.I don't care if you put pain and suffering into it. I care if it's fun and competent or not.It would be the same as claiming :>Games must be physical or they are unethical!Back when computers first came out. The process of how a game is made is mostly irrelevant. Whether or not it is fun, appealing and engaging is all that matters.
>>730945885Yeah, keep sucking that suck, work the shaft
>>730944908you sound like a retarded teenager whining about how millennials don't understand your brain rot tiktoks. We get it, you're a low IQ dumbfuck who likes drooling to AI generated nonsense. when kids started chopping off their dicks and taking castration pills boomers correctly thought it was dumb, when boomers saw their kids wasting their lives on videogames they were also correct.The world needs to stop treating young people as if they have some profound understanding of the future beyond enslaving themselves to ever more powerful material forces.
>>730945948Yep, Tim is right.>>730945697
>>730945905most people are retarded bootlickers that can't reasontim's messages are always in the high IQ range, most people literally cannot understand what he's saying
>>730945816so... you're just mediocre programmer?>>730945842you don't know what syntax error is so fuck off
>>730945905gabe is chill and largely hangs out unnoticed. tim is an angry faggot constantly crying on twitter about apple, steam and regulation while pushing unreal engine down our throats.
>>730944494Torvalds is a developer with decades of experience and reviews code.
>>730944184So no AI generated content like the current CoD is doing for example, but if you worked on a game using AI tools that focus on stuff like code and other game structure stuff then it's fine?Should've done that from the start.
Ever notice how these threads always boil down to AI is only good because it makes people angry?
>>730945965You've got a real gift for imagery. You must think about sucking dick all the time.
>>730946019do you think using spellcheck makes someone a bad writer
>>730945972And boomers today think AI is cute and funny.Time will prove boomers were right, once again.
>>730944326Generative AI refers to AI which outputs text, AI which outputs images, AI which outputs video, etc. It is right in the name "generative", it generates.>>730944610Only a very small fraction of code on which LLMs are trained, was released under a license which wpuld make code not encumbered by copyright.
>>730946086>ignores all the actual use-cases described ITT>it just make ppl mad!!!
>I'm mad because the game has ai in which I wouldn't know was ai if I wasn't told
>>730944184When even auto-correct and auto-fill are called AI these days such clarifications are necessary.
>>730946019Just to show how much I don't respect you, here's an AI generated phone post explaining it you stupid nigger.
>>730946086It boils down to retards like yourself proving to everyone sane how mentally ill you're, you literally have tunnel vision and only see what you want to see.
When they fire all the workers who code the game, make the art and write the plot how will this benifeit me the customer will the games be cheaper?
>>730945780it is, mostly because ai art voice and music is still differenciable from art created by humans.
>>730945885Refer to my previous pic.The only one that benefits is the corporation selling the product.If a person wants to avoid buying anything AI related then that's their right, it's their money to choose to do with whatever they want, the corporation isn't entitled to their money. By removing the disclaimer a person who wants to avoid anything AI was used for will be tricked into buying the product that AI was used for. There is zero benefit for the consumer. The AI disclaimer does not negatively impact anyone but the corporation, those that don't care won't care whether it's there or not. It's solely being removed to prevent those that do care from easily noticing.
>>730946019>so... you're just mediocre programmer?Do you think using drafting tools means someone's a bad architect?Do you think using computers makes someone a bad doctor?
>>730944184more than 90% codemonkeys are using AI if you think otherwise you are blinding yourself
>>730944184Good morning sir!
>>730944184>need to put a disclaimer that your game uses NPC AI behavior that’s been available since golden eyeVtards rebuked and seething
>>730946202Sorry i hit a nerve
>>730945972>you sound like a retarded teenager whining about how millennials don't understand your brain rot tiktoksMillennials invented tiktok.>>730945972>when kids started chopping off their dicks and taking castration pills Millennials were the parents of those kids.>boomers correctly thought it was dumbCorrect.>when boomers saw their kidsMillenial kids btw> wasting their lives on videogames they were also correct.Correct.Looks like millennials are the problem. Glad you agreed with me. Millennials luddites that are against AI will never win.
>>730946230There are berry picking jobs available, that's why we kicked out the mexicans
>>730946324ha ha indians. never heard that one beforethat's funny anon
>>730946365>that's why we kicked out the mexicansAnd replaced them with indians and venezuelans
>>730946230They won't make the game cheaper, but also, they wont fire everyone, because there should still be people to prompt ai to generate stuff and to check the result if it's okay to use or not, haven't you heard about coke ad which they generated hundred of thousands clips and had to cherry pick good ones?
>>730946368HA HA INDIAN HATE SO FUNNY!!!!!CUZ ITS NOT LIKE ITS RUINED PEOPLE'S LIVES OR ANYTHINGCUZ ITS NOT LIKE HINDI PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED, AND STILL SUFFER EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THIER LIVESCUZ ITS NOT LIKE INDIAN HATE IS ABHORRANT TO ANYONE WITH EVEN THE SLIGHTEST SENSE OF DECENCYCUZ ITS NOT LIKE PEOPLE USE INCORRECT CASTE STEPS EVERY DAYCUZ ITS NOT LIKE INDIAN PEOPLE HAVE THE WORLD AND THE SOCIAL MEDIA ALL WORKING AGAINST THEM
>>730946241Are you aware there isnt a SINGLE codebase today that doesn't have some kind of AI code? Agents are built into IDEs, and it simply is too damn efficient. If you have some product and you aren't using AI, you're not even in the game.I don't like it, but it is what it is.You trannies are absolutely delusional and mentally-ill.
>>730946230Who gives a fuck dude, I pirate videogames or buy them on sale.If I gave a shit about the people that worked in the videogame industry, I would have to only buy games on release day.I DONT CARE ABOUT GAME DEVS. I PLAY GAMES TO HAVE FUN, PERSONAL FUN, FOR MYSELF, NOT ANYONE ELSE.
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How do gamers benefit from developers using AI?The games are not cheaper, they're clearly not better nor they have fewer bugsSo why would anyone who plays video games support AI?
>>730946439how is pakistan today?
>>730946264Not him, but I'm with you. These tools make the creative process much easier, and they give the individual the power to make their own games in a more timely manner.If anything, these tools will make individual creators more viable in their pursuits of creating the games and visions they want to see brought forth into the world.-I imagine movies made at the individual level will begin to pop-up in the coming decade.God guide us.
>>730946439Every morning upon awakening I experience a supreme pleasure: that of being white, and I ask myself, wonderstruck, "what prodigious thing will he do today, this non-indian?"
>>730946479>>730946479>I DONT CARE ABOUT GAME DEVS. I PLAY GAMES TO HAVE FUN, PERSONAL FUN, FOR MYSELF, NOT ANYONE ELSE.You are brown!
>>730944184The moment the GOTY was revealed to be made by AI it was over for trannies. Thank you Gaben-sama
>>730946232And as the tech develops, it will be harder to discern the difference. Hell you can get really close to that already, it just takes a human with actual skills and not some jeet typing broken English into a prompt.
>>730946489Why would you not? videogames were terrible before AI too.videogames were only good when boomers were developing them (1990-2007). The problem is the people behind the studios, not their tools.
>>730944437>>730944440>>730944473>>730944878>>730944908
>>730946489valve provided proof nobody cares about new games anymore and everyone is playing 20+ year old shit regularly. What is being produced now is already slop you don't care about, AI can only raise the standard of quality by pushing blue haired troons and feminists out of their jobs
If AI saves the Monster Hunter series then I'll forgive it
>>730944184that's incredibly disappointing, but of course they're going to bitch out
>>730946686>everyone is playing 20+ year old shit regularly.lol @ poors
>>730946468>you are not permitted to know ANYTHING about what is in a product you are buying with YOUR MONEY and disagreement with this means you're a trannyits all so tiresome
>>730945668Gamers made it very, very clear that they did not care one iota about the part that makes a game a game being AI generated, so long as the superficial parts aren't. Sorry to all the programmers in gaming, but you are icky geeks and nu-gamers dont like geeks or geeky things, they like nerds and nerdy things.>>730945684It is different. AI use in coding is like memorizing a code book. Memorizing the codebook didnt actually make you smarter. AI use in coding allows one to more quickly draw upon the vast knowledge of code already built in order to build your own. Instead of filling your brain with a codebook, its free to think about logic. What you want to do is probably not unique, and there is most likely code out there existing that does everything you need it to, its really no different from autistically searching stackoverflow for a answer. Yes, they could come up with a solution themselves, and before AI it was often desirable to do so, but why waste time doing that when countless solutions already exist so that you can instead focus on a new problem and solve that? Art is not like this. When someone draws a good portrait, it doesnt "solve" portraits. You can use previously made art as an inspiration, but what you make is going to be unique. The closest thing to "solved" art is pixel art.
>>730946594the trade-off is while ai art can be really neat looking, it isn't impressive at all. It doesn't inspire any awe in me because I know the prooompter didn't spend a fraction of the time that an actual artist would spend making it. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean that I think it's completely without merit, but it isn't the same as looking at something you KNOW someone skillfully spent a really long time perfecting. Tragedy of the commons or whatever.Like, picrel is cool but it'll never be as cool as something by Eyvind Earle
>>730944326if my company wasn't basically forcing me to, I wouldn't
>>730944184we've had "AI" doing analysis on the code base and making informed suggestions for agesit was just incredibely limitedthis tech does the same job betterthere's a fuzzy line between "AI as a tool" and "AI as slop generator" that is very hard to defineI can imagine creative uses of AI in art that I wouldn't mind "consuming"that's probably not what most people who complain about the disclosure want to do, though. they want the easy slop
How can anyone look at the insanity of Microjeet and not see the constant shoving in of AI to be a bad thing?
>>730944184Every coder uses ai to do it now, so lf course. I understand art ai warnings.Anti ai SJWs are the same as the anti MGTOW feminists running into our college lectures to scream and pull fire alarms, they don't have any arguments -they just want to screech because the world is changing
AI is not going away, goy cattle can screech all they want about artists rights and trying to make it unethical but it's already embedded in literally everything. I wake up and access the infinite slop ai matrix to generate 5,000 anime feet pics, it's the best time to be alive.
>>730946763Some people just like the effort. I've sold some of my shittiest paintings just off of personality and other works. I just do paintings as something more tangible than my tags or sketchbooks
>>730946832The people who don't care are smart enough to spend the requisite 5 minutes removing the intrusive copilot garbage (you can also ask copilot how to do this)
>>730946867>if I keep framing ai as a left-right issue, maybe I'll actually trick some people to side with itit's not working, Gukesh
>>730944326its the exact same and this is just you coping
>>730945140>>730945697>>730946109>>730946148>>730946368
>>730944184You voted for this
>>730944326i don't
>>730947003>people usin toolno fucking way
Imagine how they're trying to do the seamless AI ads in videos but in games
>>730945095I don't use ChatGPT but I do use Claude and Gemini.
>>730947003ai in movies could be anything from upscaling to removing unwanted shadows or items from the film.
>>730946412I remember few years ago I had to slop like hundreds of pictures to get something presentable. With modern models it takes me only around 2-4 tries. The edit models are also getting crazy good. I'd say in around 2 years there will be full local pipeline for slopping game resources, doing 3d models and 2d animations is still a crapshoot for now.
>>730946614>imagine saar that Timmys think cow dung, the most holy of material, is unclean, but then they learn that Raaj Patel's Curry Surprise, a most creamy and succulent food, only for the purest reincarnated soul, has cow dung in. Then they'd be forced to accept my 'README bub fix' Pull Request.
>>730944368it's like a bit better autocomplete when typing on mobile
if it cost them nothing to make through the use of extensive AI, why should anyone pay for it
>>730946763>I know the prooompter didn't spend a fraction of the time that an actual artist would spend making itThis logic is retarded. I know the painter who bought 1000 different paint shades didn't spend a fraction of the time that an actual artist who mixes his own pallets would on a painting, but it doesnt make the painting any better or worse.What AI art is missing is the artists emotion. It can emulate style, but it can never emulate how the painter was feeling as they drew it and the effect it has on individual strokes as well as the whole. AI will always be a layer between the "artists" emotion and the actual art. When you look at AI art and feel that it is missing something, that is what is missing.
>>730947063"Hollywood" isn't going to exist in ten years, so if they want to speed up the process with AI, I say go for it and die the death it deserves
>>730947003>NOOO THIS IS HECKIN DANGEROUS TO OUR DEMOCRACYrajesh pls
>>730947238if it's a simple process then why don't you do it?
>>730945902>Millennial deeds.At least Millennials remember when the Internet was still good Zoomtards only know Smartphones and Social Media garbage>Millennials are against AI.Some are but not all and they’re not all against it for the same reason>Re-think your argument. You're being manipulated, just like the retards that used facebook in 2008 were.AI is going to mean the people will not think for themselves just listen to AI ‘assistants’ that only get there information from surface web garbage and corporate approved sources no small websites and no alternative media. AI is going mean that people won’t read books, watch films or even play games they will just get AI to summarise them for them. AI will mean that people won’t even learn to paint, compose music or any traditional arts because they can just get AI to generate that stuff.This is the death of the human soul Smartphones and Social Media caused mass retardation this is going to bring about Complete Global Retardation!We’re heading for the future portrayed in the story “The Machine Stops”
>>730947239>This logic is retarded.no it isn't and fundamentally we agree that human-crafted art is superior so why waste your time autistically arguing
>>730944908>same reactionIt's a very different reaction actually.When pokemon came out there was a minority backlash by the religious right, not a major backlash of no one wanting it. Most people liked pokemon, that's why it became a cultural phenomenon.So tell me, ARE YOU SMART ENOUGH, to realize the difference in reaction to Pokemon and AI? Or will you double down and pretend that all the kids absolutely love and are thrilled by AI!!!!
>>730947218that and it's useful for outlining new class files and the like
>>730944368Code is a problem you solve, art is a problem you create
>>730944184Enforcing disclosure requirements on AI coding is just impossible.
>>730947347The human soul is a fiction and covid already proved most of the world are cattle that listen to their masters.
>>730947183The slop tools can be bleeding edge and generate exactly what you want first attempt, but then what? The whole reason you’re slopping is because you’re creatively retarded who just wants immediate gratification from tranime porn. You won’t be able to use AI to actually make a functioning game because you don’t actually have creative ambition. “Promoters” are still horrendously ignorant about how much actual effort goes into a creative endeavor. And if it actual does get to the point where you can practically materialize a finished game from thoughts and “vibes” then why the fuck would anyone ever play your shit when they can make their own?
>>730946468>>730946594>>730946867>>730946886>>730947063>>730947145
>>730944184makes sense considering there's no way to prove someone asked an AI to generate code anyway
>>730947239>What AI art is missing is the artists emotion. It can emulate style, but it can never emulate how the painter was feeling as they drew it and the effect it has on individual strokes as well as the wholehmmm yes the blurry vase on the table the developers bought from asset store very inspiring and powerful I wonder what kind of emotions were flowing through the chinese sweatshopper who modeled that
>>730944184If you think having a AI code games is good,hopefully you are perfectly okay with poorly optimized games. Because no one working on them will care as long as the game works. You will get more of this shit and then have to buy overpriced gpus for it. They fuck you in the ass, give you aids, and then sell you meds for it.
It's painfully obvious nobody here has a real job or they would see how insanely productive AI coding has made people.Porn gen is great and all, but the real use of this stuff is making programming easier. Yes it fucks up a lot, but it makes writing the boilerplate stuff way way easier and shaves half the time off my code compared to 5 years ago.
Devs would be stupid not to utilize AIWho cares what some reddit puritan crybabbies screeching on the internet says, let AI handle the monotonous demotivating shit you don't want to do and focus on the stuff you want to do
>>730944184This is why we need Fascism.You niggers would have seen content labels on food becoming more lax and cheer on its complete removal of them just to own the libs.
>>730947463>We’re just stardust Morty Wubba Lubba dub-dubGo back
nice
>Valve kneels to AI>Valve staffers that compared AI to the holohoax on twitter are seething at their cuck desks>Tim Sweeney stays winningcommon Tim Whe was right, Valve timmies were wrong and hack backpedalledMANY such cases
>>730946107Yes, literally.
>Be caveman, 40,000 BC>Fuck that Cave SLOP. BEADS and body painting are the only real soulful and HUMAN art. >Why would I paint inside caves like an animal you some kinda bear nigga lmao.
>>730944184You can even consider programming using IntelliSense and other code completion tech as some sort of AI
>>730947530*Or they'll have more time to optimize the games they make, because they spent less time on development using these auto-complete-tools.Time will tell, but I see an increase in quality being more likely than not.Not OP by the way.
>>730944326No
>>730944271India global superpower 2023
>>730946019>hurr durr
>>730945523Neuro-sama.
>>730947521>good art exists? well bad art exists, ergo AI art is the same as good art
>>730944428>Progress is inevitable Other than when it goes back centuries or stops entirely like:>Greek dark ages>European dark ages>Cyclical Chinese dynastic collapses and active spurning of technology>Japan locking its country for centuries>Radical Islam>The amishAt the rate of the current demographic collapse we're going back to trebuchets unless a Mars colony creates enough excitement to push people into a new model of society
>>730947521If you look closely at it you likely will. I'm sure it would convey the crushing oppression the artist lives with every day.
>>730944184steamcucks won't care
>>730944184Sweeney was right (and so was I).
>>730945523https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUHpUXlsvbI
>>730947530AI code helpers hate things being unoptimized, often call you out unprompted for such things, and then get "upset" if you tell them to drop it because you will look at optimization later.
It's not like they make less cut from the store or their game is removed. Just disclose it. SimpleThese companies would fire or shadowresign someone for voting trump but they can't disclose AI use...
>>730947463Which is why you need an actually superhuman good master: God
>>730947551Some people can't wrap their head around how much the internet has change over the last 20 years, if they were even alive.Torrent a fucking 1GB game use to take days for me to download and now its just a few minutes.Tec is crazy wack magic.
nigger
>>730948261lol, lmao even
>>730948237AI use in coding is now considered the default. Its now a plus to be able to disclose that you didnt.
>>730946019AI is pretty much useless for verilog but atleast if something is easy enough I will use it just because I want to do other things like jerk off instead of writing tedious things.
>>730946886Don't forget that store prices are already all tied in to a nationwide ML system. You got a pay increase? All your in-store prices go up to compensate. The company running the algorithm doesn't even know how it figures out you can afford more. It just knows. That's already happening today
>>730945095>Here are some countries People think this is a personality trait
>>730945642AI will make trannies ackAnd thats all I need
>I will not use the paint bucket tool>I will individually color each pixel in instead>paint bucket tool slop will ruin MSPaint
>>730944437Correct, AI isn't copy pasting code, it knows the rules of the language and just writes.AI generated images is ripping off other's work.You just sound, ironically, like that Steam employee that was seething about responses over this disclosure and had a companion cube stuck up his ass about AI.
>>730948305That's true but you will never be a woman
>>730948305>Torrent a fucking 1GB game use to take days for me to download and now its just a few minutesPirating THPS2 piece by piece off of shady warez sites on dialup over the course of a weekend was the highlight of my youth. Like 30+ hours download time.
>>730948226I only really trust AI agents with very simple tasks I can't be arsed to do like replacing arguments in an interface. They really need a lot of guidance for larger codebases for larger tasks since how they're supposed to know how everything works at first glance.
>>730947310>If your bowel moves, who don't you just shit in the street?Kys
Why are AIfags so weirdly pushy when it comes to people adopting their technology. Same shit with Rust programmers.
>>730944249Valvies were seething at Tim for three days and he was right
>>730948508>That's true but you will never be a womanThank you god for that.
>>730948496>ripping off open source/GPL/MIT code:)>ripping off anime drawings:(
Based, luddites seething
>>730948237
>>730948496>applying athropomorphism to LLMsPeople are still doing this. Sometimes it's better to just admit that you don't understand how it works.
>>730944184Good lol.
>>730944184total artfag replacement total codefag replacementtotal voicefag replacement total musicfag replacement
>>730948305>Some people can't wrap their head around how much the internet has change over the last 20 years, if they were even alive.It’s changed for the worse
>>730948496you are retardedboth of them work exactly the same way
>>730944249And fp is Gabe cock gobbling as expected.
The slop is winning.I just hope good indie games hold out and don't give in to temptation, but I think they will crumble in the end too.
>>730944249NOOO YOU HAVE TO BE OUTRAGED FAGGOT GET MAD PLEASE
>>730948740>steam caves in >"Good lol."why is /v/ like this?
>>730944456>AI trained on CAPCOM code
>>730944908I want AFFORDABLE PC components back. Affordable RAM, affordable GPUs, affordable SSDs. The AI craze is what's making those prices skyrocket. No one should have to pay over $500 for consumer-grade 64GB RAM in 2026. No one.
>>730948496>AI generated images is ripping off other's work.This is actually incorrect. It is possible to use image gen in plagiarism for example through i2i, though that requires you to feed it the image yourself. But t2i, the most commonly used function of image gen, is incapable of directly reproducing parts of the dataset. It's just not within the tech's capability. Not how diffusion works.
>>730948496>it's okay when someone else's hobby is replaced>but it's not okay when my hobby is replacedGet fucked
Does /v/ ever get tired of losing?
I mean it's literally impossible to verify AI generated code exists for a packaged game binary, it only incentivised dishonesty to include it in the same category as assets, who tf would disclose that if it's just going to lower sales
>>730948851yup, slop is winning because it's being backed by corporations and /v/ is not immune to corporate agendas
>>730944610>Coding AI is almost entierly trained on open source codeopen source code, even cuck licensed code, is still copyrighted. the only open source code that isn’t is a very small minority that explicitly disowns its own copyright entirelyit doesn’t matter whether you are making a distinction between music, art or code, if using a work as training data is not fair use, then it would be a violation of copyright, period.
>>730948993Especially these days considering the state of coders.
>>730944184I dont careAI is another technologyHumanity adaptsWe adapted to electricityThe internetThe printing pressNothing inherently wrong with any technologyIt is a toolIt can be used productively or notBut it will be used once inventedThose who cant adapt DieDeal with it
Being anti AI is the same as being antiseptic. That is simply not acceptable now.
>>730946019There isn't a single programmer on the entire planet that can deliver a complex program (every program that is actually used is complex) without any bugs on the first attempt. Bugs regularly make it past QA efforts, and it becomes so much harder when it's just one guy handling everything.Of course programmers use AI heavily. Besides, you couldn't be a programmer if you were afraid of technology.
>>730948496AI doesn't "know the rules of the language"it's been fed a bunch of code and it learned patterns that it imitatesAI image generation works exactly the same way, there are no images stored in the AI model, just patterns if you believe image generation works on stolen images then code generation also works on stolen code by your own logic
Everyone who codes uses AI. It just saves time. Before AI people were just copying from Stackoverflow anyway
>>730944249It is, but the dickless menace will screech like clowns nonetheless.
>>730944184>AI code can't be verified anyway>AI slop art can be seen a mile away and looks shitSteam couldn't properly verify AI code being used so they dropped the requirement to disclose it, its not difficult to grasp and the average videogame probably steals as much code as an LLM
Why is knowing what's in a game a bad thing?
>>730944184no shit dumbass
>>730944184AI doesn't matter. Does it look and play good ori shti t shti sis amrjd
>>730947551This. I hope AI gets good enough to replace programmers as a whole.
>>730948993Yeah it's also impossible to tell if AI image gen was used>heh I can totally tellYou can tell if an AI designed a logo that was incorporated into a texture by a human artist? No you fucking can't
>>730944184people were listing shit like content-aware fill, it was petty silly
Is there any actual proof that LLMs save time in programming. Most studies actually show it decreases time because you have to review slop code.I can see that Anthropic paid top dollar to get their shills here, what with how much shilling that Claude Pokemon thing got and that retard couldn't even beat a simple children's game.
>>730949269I can tell based on the vibes.
>>730949248based. programmers are all faggots and deserve everything bad happening to them.
>>730949089You can be in favor of industrialization while being critical of its implementation by Stalin. That doesn’t make you anti-industrialization, it makes you anti-genocide.The behavior of AI niggers has been theft on a mass scale without a care in the world.
>>730949315Well then I can tell if it was used for programming based on the FPS count
>>730949296shut up shut the FUCK UP
>>730946019To think it's retards like this who will hold technology back this time. I suppose every era has to have a group holding back meaningful progress.
>>730944326If anything companies are too lazy and retarded to just edit the AI or just trace it
>>730948359Make Ted great againI'm going innawoods
>you have no idea how your own game works under the hood because AI did it all for you>you can't fix your game's bugs because instead of learning to code, you depended too much on AI and despite you asking it to fix the bug, the AI just can't understand the context you're talking about because its memory doesn't extend that far enough
>>730949296it speeds up the boring and easy parts. of course if the workload is extremely complex it starts to fall apart but anything tedious I'll use it
>>730949296Wait, coders didn't review their stuff before??That might explain Wilds fuckery with their DLC.
>>730949269It's still easy to tell if someone uses a raw genned image but yeah even minoranual touch ups can hide it really well. And that's just right now, shit's only getting harder to discern.
>>730945140I think AI would be fine if it wasn’t trained on data scraped from the internet without license. Especially in the case of code on GitHub with a restrictive license such as GPL or CC Attribution.And before anyone makes the “hurrr but human get inspiration from internet” argument, humans don’t literally feed a copy of a work into a machine that then spits out a heavily modified form of that same work after mixing it with an unfathomable amount of other works. It would be more akin to tracing with extra steps than “being inspired.”
>>730949156I am convinced the retards crying muh AI never programmed in their lives.I can program in C, Python, Java allright. Do I know by heart every function, class and method in every library I ever used? Fuck no, it was as you say, look up documentation that is often poorly maintained, or copypaste snippets of code from stackoverflow which, of course, you adjust and test thoroughly afterwards. Which is exactly the same you do with AI generated code, except you get the general idea code you are looking for much faster.
>>730948787>white collar dies>pink collar gets tons of layoffs>blue collar is flooded with cheap labor
>>730949427It's very much like the railroad craze in Britian in that it is legitimately useful but it is spammed everywhere and all we'll be left with is the corpses of LLM garbage floating and taking up space everywhere as it becomes exponentially more expensive to actually house all that shit. LLMs have a place, but I think it way way over used. Most of all in programming actually.
>>730949494It’s fine, anon, we just need to make the context window bigger. Just make the context window bigger and we’ll make a Machine God once we have enough exabytes of RAM.
>>730949060Wow. Where did that come from?
This has always been the case, they just clarified it because AItroons keep trying to equate generating assets with generating code
AI analyzing your code and recommending improvements that you can implement yourself is one thing, but once you start having it do the coding and creation work itself, that's when I think it starts becoming iffy.
>>730949296Yes but it's still more efficient because it can catch things you might miss. It's like having another person available to proofread your code, except you don't have to actually have someone available to do that or pay them for it.
>>730949636One and only cum chalice man.
>>730948570In the case of AI, it might have something to do with certain groups calling for AI to get limited or banned.
>>730944474AREEEEESSSSSSSS
>>730949510>if someone uses a raw genned imageWhat about if it's just an icon. Say, a black and white icon for a special attack? Don't even need to touch that one up, I would have no clue. I'm not sure human UI designers even exist anymore
>>730949060This is the most efficient way to do it for small numbers thoughever
Fine by me. If your AI helper is producing shit code and you're not proofreading it for efficacy then that's open season to shit on the game.I just don't like AI generated art assets and audio.
>>730944184I've never disclosed that I basically just steal code when troubleshooting or trying to add silly little gimmicks, so I can't really find it in myself to give a shit about AI basically doing the same thing. It's not like anyone is going to die if some retard lets copilot turn his game into a buggy mess because he failed to properly check what it was shitting out.Also FOSSfags make me laugh, they're always waiting for an excuse to shit on each other or cause drama, I've stopped bothering with open sores ever since they started rolling out shit like codes of conduct as an excuse to bully the less toxic autists out of their communities so that only the hysterical and queer remain.
>>730948570What the fuck are you talking about, you're literally in a thread about anti-AIfags pushing against the adoption of this technology
>>730948902Hobby's can't get replqce
>>730944184>No longer have to disclose AI usage in codingHaving this in the first place is fucking moronic, AI and coding meshed together is here to stay.It's stupidly useful to increase productivity, even without using it for algorithimc purposes, instead of having to lose 5 minutes creating classes and getter and setters and the likes for example you can simply write a sentence on a prompt popup and it'll do that shit for you in 10 seconds. It's menial shit that even a monkey could do, there's already many automatisms for this kind of stuff but AI is just a level above and can reduce time spent on this stuff quite a lot when you add it all up.
>>730949349I am very confident that if AI can replace programmers the end of all intellectual labor is close. Anyway, if AI replaces me, I'll be rich due to the investments I made.
>>730949496It’s not that code review didn’t happen. It’s just a lot easier to review code written by a human than garbled shit slathered all over the screen.
>>730949664Is there any actual proof this actually happens? All the studies that AI fags use is self-reported vibes, not actual measurements and when AI performance is actually tested it actually causes programmers to slow down
Will llm /transformer ever be able to do stuff like crack 128/256 bit encryption?
>AI still has problems with hand anatomy and consistency>people are trusting it to generate entire systemsLike come on, man.
>>730949296If you ever programmed anything in your life you would know it is very useful when you need to get out of your comfort zone and develop some new function with dependencies you never used before (you skip investigating what libraries to use), or to do easy but long ass boilerplate code.Of course if you need to do a simple for loop or some basic shit it is a lot faster to just write it yourself. Only way those ""studies"" are true is if they forced senior programmers to use AI to do basic ass shit. Or with old LLMs that obviously worked a lot worse than the current ones.
>>730949852It won’t because it would have to have the solution available to steal from first.
>>730948570They aren't. You're making up enemies to fight against so your illogical position and artificially have merit. AIGods don't push this on anyone. They say, "Whoa. I just saved a ton of time and money doing it this way. That's pretty neat, isn't it?" It's you who is having the meltdown and pressuring others.
>>730944368>care to explain why coding isnt artthis just proves retards will get mad about anything social media thots and hentai porn artists on discord tell them to get mad at
>>730949874as long as it works then it saves a lot of money even if its sloppy
>>730945905it is the result of brand loyaltywhich is to say it's the result of psychological conditioningwhich is to say it the result of brainwashing
>>730949874>AI still has problems with hand anatomy and consistencyArtists have been struggling since 2026, don't even try dude.
>>730944184AI coding assist is the best, you just have to be able to debug the occasional flubbed bits. Insane productivity boost
>>730949909>ignoring how many chuds have only added “AI IS FUTURE GET FUCKED” to the thread
>>730944184this shit is so hypocritical, artsissies cry and throw a tantrum so they get special treatmentfuck themi want to use ai art (and not declare it) even more now
>>730944326> Russia isnt even on the chart> oh it is because they are banned from all AIs> wait> yfw in 10 years the only real coders will be left ruskie> yfw nuclear WW3 erupts> all the UKlets and USlets will be unable to code without their handholding AI> tfw Russia will grow as a ULTRA POWER in new worldThis is your own doing.YOU DID THIS
>>730949874LLMs are weird. They are truly superhuman in some senses (they're like the greatest rennaisance man that ever lived), and subhuman in others (can't beat Pokemon Red).
>>730945642In a mass unemployment event that would demand the implementation of UBI, the powers that be would rather cause a culling of humanity's population than pay taxes to subsidize billions of useless eaters.
>>730949909>They say, "Whoa. I just saved a ton of time and money doing it this way. That's pretty neat, isn't it?" It's you who is having the meltdownThis has been 100% my experience as well. Someone smart uses AI to solve a difficult problem that had stumped them, and they share on twitter how helpful it was. Then some retard blogger screencaps it -> "Senior developer at Valve says they're using AI for everything moving forward"https://www.pcgamer.com/games/moba/valve-chatgpt-deadlock-algorithm/
>>730950016You know, that just made me realize that I couldn't possibly give a fuck which polity takes over after a nuclear hell WW3
>>730946728That is not my point. I'm all for voting with your wallet, however AI is so pervasive these days that if we are to apply a special tag to games that have any kind of AI use, then it will be effectively meaningless because every single game will need one.Valve has the right approach.
>>730950019Almost like having a bot designed for language processing do anything other than process language is fucking retarded.
>>730950016>Russia sent all their coders to die in a war so Jewtin can pretend he's bringing back the soijew jewnion.YOU VOTED FOR IT
I think it will get to that point, but not for a bit. I have some negative and positive feelings towards AI, and once AI starts to do more then most of those negative feelings will go away.
>>730945659This. It's fucking plain as day and the fact that all the retarded steamies ITT didn't catch on is not surprising.
>>730950019LLMs are geniuses on all topics you have surface level knowledge on and dumbasses on topics you have a deep understanding ofthey're the peak apex specimen of midwits
I don't see what's wrong with AI art in a game, if it's all being generated by the game's creator, he's essentially functioning as the art director, even if he doesn't have the funds to hire artists. The game is still expressing the vision of a real person.
>>730950016you should post this on fanfiction.net
>>730949874>AI still has problems with hand anatomynigga this hasn't been a thing since late-2023, let alone 2026.
>>730949874Don't tell the Clodders that Claude has FLICKERING SCREENS and is up only 99% of the time, which is actually really fucking inconsistent>>730949931How much money do you have to pay to use tokens, I heard it is quite easy to use it all up. None of the claudefags say anything about that now don't they?
>>730950019>technology explicitly made to emulate common language patterns and nothing else>wtf, why is it bad at doing other things???If only we could figure it out, we'd be one step closer to AGI.
>>730949893Or, I might add, if the programmers were retarded and asked it to generate the entire fucking program in one go instead of asking function by function, and handling the general architecture yourself. Of course it is bound to have problems if the application is very complex, you have to break down the tasks into well defined chunks.There are many midwits who think AI is magic, so maybe that is the problem after all.
>>730944184What's the problem exactly? It's like complaining that a paint bucket tool exists and that you should paint each separately dot instead.
Good. It should never be there in the first place. There has been conflicting evidence on if its a "requirement" or not, but last I heard it never was but instead was always optional as far as actually listing on the storefront if anything was made with AI. Frankly it never should have been there because its just a tool and if you don't absolutely require shit like >Uses X engine Maybe Unreal (because its often unoptimized bullshit that grinds latest video cards to dust with all the shiny turned on), maybe RPGMaker, GameMakerStudio or anything else people think can make a game "cheap" hypothetically >Uses either standard SDK or purchased assets If you buy a Unity or Unreal content pack and have it shit out a basic shooter with the same old textures or whatever that doesn't need to be announced etc. >A fuckload of other things All the AI label does is allow whiny artfags to screech because the culture war assigned them an AI=BAD personality to cloak their (erroneous) self interest that is no different from some coal miner thinking renewable energy should be illegal because it threatens coal mining. People who would have never noticed that a game had AI content in any way sperg out and call for boycotts because they have their head up their ass, but the same thing doesn't happen on goddamn gacha and shit that matters like monetization Fucking disgusting hypocrites. Imagine if years ago every game that had "CGI" artwork or effects had to declare it so people could shit on it because they associated it with whatever 'bad' thing from looking cheap to the other side of the culture war.
>>730950019Just remember that the thing trying to "beat" is just generating text to interact with some code the dev wrote to make that text push buttons
>>730947684trannyism is a cope for fear of the truth that there is nothing after
>>730950128Because the art is being created via a machine that’s literally copying artwork its creators didn’t pay to copyIt’s like copying your favorite quotes from various books and changing the context they’re used in, claiming that it’s now your own work because you’re the one who put the words together in that particular arrangement.
>>730950114>tranny gets triggered because the deadlock dev couldn't find a suitable matchmaking algorithm for how they wanted to balance teams. >Dev asks chatGPT if any known algorithms exist that accomplish the matchmaking they want>chatGPT replies with an obscure algorithm that accomplishes what they need, replacing jewgle as a useful reference toolWOW THIS IS TRANS GENOCIDE
Nothing wrong with this. As long as the game is good who cares if it's AI?
>>730950118No, they're not dumbasses at coding, and yes, I am a coder. Genius mathematician Terence Tao has described their mathematical ability as that of a mediocre grad student (far from dumbass).
>>730947218ah, so its literally satan then. Seriously fuck autocomplete with a rake, nothing pisses me off more than trying to type something and have it aggressively fill in what it thinks i'm gonna type next, and then it refuses to listen when i try to fix it.
>>730944326>everyone uses AI to codeSpoken like a fucking retard that doesnt code. All its good for is boilerplating shit.
I will simply not buy anything as I have done so already. I got my backlog ready to go.
If you used any writing programs like Notepad++ or PyCharm then you technically used AI already.I guess Valve means AI created textures,sounds,objects
>>730950315Because people hate AI and don’t want to support its commercialization, so if they can disincentivize its use, they can hopefully do harm to the AI company in question
>>730944368What do you think a compiler does?It translates code into binaries, but how it does it isn't always important.Developers have long ago outsourced their understanding of menial tasks.
>>730950185It does exhibit all sorts of strange emergent abilities beyond emulating common language patterns, but yeah, I think we need a paradigm shift or two to get to AGI.
>>730950312>it's okay when valve does
>>730950351Their math capability is nonexistent because they completely base their next token off of pattern recognition and not arithmetic.
>>730950420Lmao. Only you screeching trannies give a shit.
>>730950302It's only copying in the same sense a human artist is copying from all the art he has ever seen.
>>730950490>her
>>730944428>all tech is linear and good and expands forever
Clauders can only speak in vague platitudes about it's effectiveness but never ever give any actual measurable proof.
>>730950397If you actually did software dev for a living you'd know how much of it is boilerplating and repetitive implementation of established patterns
I can't get into the tranny mindset of being upset over ai usage in video games. AI is already being used to make tons of other shit
>>730944474... and?
>>730950490>>it's okay when valve does itcorrect
Bros I guarantee that 4chan is using some AI code. Any project/codebase that has been worked on in any significant capacity is almost guaranteed to include AI code. It doesn’t matter, I don’t give a fuck about AI art either, I just won’t play games that I don’t want to.Every major operating system and web browser also include AI generated code, literally nobody cares, it’s the same shit just built quicker.
>>730950045This.My biggest fear with AI is that most of humanity gets rendered obsolete and killed off or just slowly bled out.I could not care less about slop content; I just don't want to get labeled as useless by the machine overlords.
>>730950559I really have no idea how you would measure a programmer's productivity, that's real tricky.
>>730950351>Math ability >Can't even count to 3 r's in strawberry Nah
>>730944428Whigger>>730944368Because coding is not creativity its just problem solving. There is no difference between asking Grok how to implement a programming function and googling it/pulling off stack exchange or github.
>>730950441But compilers aren’t built by violating the licenses of countless open source projects.
>redditors when a machine converts their autistically pedantic and methodological English into assembly so a computer can run it:D>redditors when a machine converts their sloppily written and vague English into autistically pedantic and methodological English so a computer can run itD:<
>>730950621most of humanity is already obsolete and useless, why the fuck do you think everyone is always bitching about how things suck now.
>>730950621"most of humanity" should find a way to be useful then
>>730949995>people talking about advanced tech is somehow, someway the same as being pushy and forcing it on you
>>730950685.>>730950684
>>730950621>My biggest fear with AI is that most of humanity gets rendered obsolete and killed off or just slowly bled out.... you live in a nigger welfare prison what the fuck are you talking about.
>>730950663The METR study seems to have found a way.
>>730944271Something about this post. I can't help but I know what country of origin this post came from.
>>730950684Who cares about open source licenses? If I like your code I’m going to steal it. Nobody can stop me. Most open source software is jank trash anyway.
>>730950565I am in software dev. Explain how spending trillions to have something that boiler plates a few seconds faster is a good investment. Explain how this saves massive amounts of time when making vidya, since it consistently shits itself on anything complex. You fucking retard.
>>730950682Art is mostly regurgitation too.There is some memepic of a manga artist laughing at a noob mangaka and saying every mangaka copies, I wish I still had it because it illustrates the point
>>730950526Except it’s not, because the model has access to and trains from an exact copy of the original work. There is no room for interpretation on the part of the software. A human has to properly identify various features of a work and recreate them. A diffusion model eats the original work and then can produce a perfect copy given the right prompt.
>>730950770I have seen criticism of it, I'm unconvinced they actually found a way (https://arachnemag.substack.com/p/the-metr-graph-is-hot-garbage). Silicon Valley is currently being irrationally optimistic about AI, they actually think it's already ready to fully replace human devs, which is untrue.
makes sense, i like to code my games fast
>>730950351ive used the LLMs for programming and it's pretty hit or miss.it's useful for narrow solved problems that you dont personally know how to implement without hours of study and know exist, sometimes useful for learning narrow solutions that you didn't know existed.... and utterly incompetent at broad problems like working within an actual codebase, i had never worked with other programmers before so i never really understood what people meant by "codemonkey" before trying to share a codebase with an LLM, these fuckers just ook oook "THIS IS THE ACTUAL FINAL ANSWER TO YOUR ISSUE" *breaks entire section of working code* and will go in circles breaking your codebase everytime you ask it to solve something wrong in it.
>>730945215if you know about programming and you use chatgpt to code, its not vibe coding
>>730950887The issue here isn't with the copying it is how bad it actually is at it. Just look at the AI art threads in /tg/ and /g/. That shit sucks.
>>730950420This is like crusading to make hammers illegal because some mob enforcers used them to bash kneecaps. The problem is not the hammer, or the hammer manufacturer, but how it was being used. The same is true for any tool. The only argument aside from that level of stupidity when it comes to AI opposition usually comes down to >UH ITS STEALING which is a level of childlike ignorance that means they do not have the capacity to weigh in on the issue. Also I cannot stand that people are willing to tear at their assholes in anger over AI and yelling about slop, yet put their lips over the puckered asshole that is shitty monetization like F2P item mall cosmetics, mobile bullshit, and of course gacha. Two fucking decades of corporations hiring psychologists to learn how to mindfuck people into paying for the $99 pack of premium currency and that's somehow just fine.
>>730950825In that case, why even have copyright at all?
>>730950621lol bro horses are still useful after the invention of carsa calculator is still useful despite near super quantum computers existingif a human is going to die out because an advanced search engine (basically what ai or an LLM is) then that's 100% a skill issue and they have always been a waste of time and resources
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>>730950832Not him, but well, you're not paying those trillions! It's also not inconceivable to me that they will eventually figure out significant efficiency gains, making it profitable to run the models. Probably not before the AI bubble pops, however...
>>730950832You would know if you were a dev instead of lying your ass off. Look, we work on it, we know. Pretending isn't going to help you one bit
>>730950832You must be really retarded if you got scammed into spending trillions on an AI coding assistant, I don't pay anything for mine!
>>730950910it amazes me how confidently you morons can be wrong
>>730950910But no one is using it to produce perfect copies of some other work.
>>730950968It looks fine to me
>>730951009nta but what scenario would hiring a programmer or artist be better than me just generating ai for free
>>730950942That's not really my experience with Claude Code, but I don't use it for everything, only to debug mysteries, and to write new code when I know what the output should look like.
>>730950684No, compilers were built using the exploitative system of capitalism ensuring none of the people doing the hard work saw the fruits of their labor. Shame on you for defending it
>>730950621>brainlet thinks automation kills off everythingPeople still:>Pay for handmade durable furniture even though cheap mass-produced IKEA shit exists>Pay for skillfully-made or durable clothing even though chinese sweatshops exist>Pay for handmade art / art prints even though midjourney image gen exists>Pay for takeout even though frozen meals existAI lowers the floor but it doesn't destroy the ceiling. The sky is not falling.
>>730950832>a few seconds fasterlmfao this is like when a 14 year old girl is making an argument and it's like TOTALLY NOT FAIR because like STACY GETS LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR HER CLOTHES AND I GET LIKE NOTHINGYou, I, everyone in this thread, everyone outside of this thread, vegetable people who have been in a coma for 25 years and even corpses know that this shit saves more than a few seconds. Shut up with this retard shit. You're fooling no one.
>>730944368AI code assist gets you to the end product quicker. Gen AI gives you the end product. Simple as.
>>730950991I think it’s more like if hammers were made out of human bones they dug out of a mass grave they found in a desert. And then if the manufacturer was like “we need more bones to make better hammers!”
>>730944184Think a fair bit of coding is copy and pasting some portions so as far as "AI" is concerned it's more like using a search engine and simplifying some steps.Assuming that's all they're using it for. Though no idea how much it can produce now.
>>730951164You need at least one person that knows his shit so it can direct correctly the AI, know when it slips, can fix it if if something is not right, and has the know how to ask the AI for the things that will actually solve the need in a reasonable way. AI is not, at least in its current iteration, a full replacement of qualified tech professionals, just a productivity enhancer, assuming the person directing it is not retarded himself.
>>730951235>two things can’t be true at once
>>730944474get that bag of crows ready
>>730944184Makes sense to me. Using AI as part of the process is fine if generated assets aren't being used without disclosure.As an added bonus it gives the anti-disclosure shills less to work with. They constantly try to conflate code generation and brainstorming with filling a game with generationslop.
>>730951109ai is perfect for translating le zany epick xD 4chin ideas into digestible image macros, but that's a low bar for people who think saying nigger nigger nigger is the funniest shit imaginable
>>730951420So you're going to stop using compilers, then?
>>730951420That is correct
>>730944271>Just accept that ai will take over in the futureNo.
>>730944437Creative processes should be performed by humans, and if they're not, I want to know so I can avoid the product. That's all.
>>730951467sloppers are already using AI to make a pathways game. I don't think it'll actually sell a lot or be very effective propaganda though.
>>730944271I'm one step ahead of you. I no longer pay for video games. If you didn't make your video game, then you should have no problem with me taking it for free.
>>730951491This mf doesn’t write his software in machine code kek
>>730945095actually makes sense thirdies didn't grow up learning how to use windows and Google
>>730951467The same can be said about those macros when they were made by hand. I don't know what point you want to make, if any.
>>730944271no timmy, I will not
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCfAk7E1E4g&list=RDsCfAk7E1E4g&start_radio=1I think you can do funny stuff with AI
>>730950684>Violating the licensesI can read your code and as long as you can't proof I simply copied it, there's jack and shit you can legally do about it. There's no difference between this and that.
>>730944523>a placeholder poster that got replaced is AI slop incarnateI hate people who deliberately try to muddy the waters
>>730951569But they are, there is a person telling the AI what to make. Sorry, I am not interested in the boring, mechanical and tedious craftsmanship part of drawing, that is for machines, sweetie.And hence I will not disclose the use of AI in my game ;)
>>730951575I KNEEL
>>730951281>>730951047>>730951040>>730951029>n-no its ok because uh Im not paying directly (I am through indirect means but Im too retarded to figure thisout)>i-it saves a lot of time!Copy and pasting from SO takes barely more time than fucking AI, stop trying to LARP like you know anything about coding at all you fucking shill retards. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING remotely complex causes more fucking problems than its worth. It does not magically make game dev a gorillian times faster. If it did, we would be seeing massive spikes in game turn around since its been over three fucking years.
>>730951790What type of game are you making
>>730951109Pic unrelated?
>>730950991I should mention if they really want to fuck with its commercialization, then focus on that specifically - not "AI" as a whole because that's going to come down harder on the more beneficial self-host capable open source projects which is what faggots like Altman and other AI "techbros" who they claim to hate, would LOVE. They want their proprietary, software as a service super trade secret models to be the only option you have for high performance AI . Between the self interested 'artists' afraid they won't get patreon commissions for every little thing if AI exists (which is as stupid as the people who are upset that blacksmithing is no longer the only way to get metalwork done, or how glass blowing is no longer the only way to work with glass etc. ) or the culture warrior faggots who have been told that AI is on the other side by their 'thought leaders'., they're likely to empower the very worst people in the AI industry while pushing open alternatives into a pirate/illicit sphere at best or not being able to keep up at worst.>>730951331They're ignoring the hammers made out of metal with open specs and collaborative improvements/modifications which are going to be negatively affected by>REEEE NO HAMMERScampaigns, instead of >We can't allow fucktards to have trade secret hammers made out of corpse parts and then only granted to users if they agree to rent access to the hammer, while also buying all the rivets in the country in order to hold their corpse part hammers together .
>>730947727>kneels to AI>stays winning>Valve timmies were wrong and hack backpedalledWhy do you talk like such a faggot?
>>730951808
>>730950968>That shit sucks.>/tg/ and /g/Well, gee, I wonder why!
>>730951575This. In fact, I'll just use AI to make my own video games.
>>730951813Anon you cant ask that, LARPers HATE when you ask to see their game that theyve totally been making
>>730947787I don't think I've ever seen an argument from an AIfag that wasn't incredibly disingenuous
>>730948585>Valvies were seething at Tim for three days and he was rightNot quite. He was advocating for removing disclosure entirely, which is incredibly retarded. It makes perfect sense for it to only include content generation, and I don't think most "valvies" have a problem with that.
>>730951897>these people that directly profit from shilling AI totally arent lying and are more credible than a study on the subject
>>730951813>>730951994>heh, I bet I can trick him into doxing himself!You guys are so fucking stupid lmao. No wonder you feel threatened by a slightly evolved typewriter
>>730951998you are such a faggy loser
>>730952113Nigga I didn't ask what game you're making, I'm asking WHAT TYPE OF GAME ARE YOU MAKINGJust list a Genre. A premise even.
>>730948614Unironically yes.Anything more to say?
>>730952107>one of the best programmers in the world endorses the toolvs>some retards made a shit study based on virtually nothing
Since AI is here to stay and thus, theft is legal, what's a good way to make my own magic the gathering cards? I'm not going to buy a $160 loot crate, I'd rather just print the ones I want.
>>730948873>caves inThe policy needed clarifying and hopefully the clarification will strengthen it.
>>730951808>Copy and pasting from SO takes barely more time than fucking AIExplain this then, super huge brained genius. Why do game devs even bother using AI if it saves no time? Why are coders so threatened by AI if it doesn't add any value? Why are multi-billion dollar companies investing billions in something that doesn't have any practical value? Why is AI so popular that steam adjusted their AI disclosure policy?>It does not magically make game dev a gorillian times faster.>just a few seconds savedThere we go with the exaggerated teenage-girl like arguments again. It's so obvious that AI has a practical, especially time saving use, that I'm just going to think of a racial slur and call you it in my head and ignore your posts now. You're a coping retard.
>>730944420Coding determines how the game plays. By all accounts it impacts your enjoyment of the game far more than how some random ass wall was textured. How about you actually explain what the problem with ai being used is to begin with was? If the concern is the lack of creativity then that applies even more to gameplay impacting shit than it does to something more superficial than the visual look of the game.Care to explain why you needed that explained?
>>730952113>describing what you are working on is doxxing>posting an example of workflow is doxxing even though people do it all the fucking time in gamedev threadsYea, youre the same retard that uses this dogshit excuse any time anyone calls you on your LARP. The picture you just posted has a higher chance at "doxxing" you than describing what youre fucking working on you disingenuous LARPing fuck.You arent making anything.
>>730948902NTAI don't want programmers or anyone replaced, but as a consumer I don't care about the code (so long as it works) I care about the game's content.You raise a good point though. Programmers getting replaced sucks. I do think it would be good for there to be a separate label for the use of AI in coding, so customers can choose not to support that if they have a problem with it. But I guess we can always look at a game's credits and make user tags.
>>730952169Okay I'll humor you. Even if you try to witch hunt it will be fun just for the paranoia lol.It is a simple run of the mill metroidvania. Just to check how fast I can get a full game done to a reasonable level of quality using AI tools. And to see if people can actually tell or not. Early tests point to no, they can't unless you are pajeet tier and put in 0 effort.
>heh, generative AI is so soulless and objectively trash, how can it compete with the Human Spirit™>OH GOD PLEASE STOP AI ITS REPLACING US!!! AAAARRGG TAKING INSPIRATION FROM OTHERS IS NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE BAN IT BAN IT NOOOOWlol
Good luck with ads in your gamecode
>>730946019>anon who hasn't written a single program in his life outside maybe a "hello world" python script will say you're a bad programmer if you ever used AI to help write code
>>730952297Seethe harder, clown, still not telling. Tell your tranny discord sisters you couldn't get a name out of me :((
>>730944184as long as the resulting code works i consider a lot of genAI tooling for coding just a more expansive version of existing automatic code generation (e.g. automatically creating getters/setters).
>>730951790>But they are, there is a person telling the AI what to makeThat's not a human performing the creative process. It's a human asking a machine to perform a creative process, which it can't only perform a hollow mimicry of.>Sorry, I am not interested in the boring, mechanical and tedious craftsmanship part of drawingThen you cannot create art.>And hence I will not disclose the use of AI in my game ;)So you're seething that people don't want your AI slop and you're trying to trick them into them instead.Sounds like the average pro-AI psychopath to me.
>>730952493TOP KEKThis is right in line with the rumors of OpenAI on the brink of bankruptcyI can't wait for every normie nigger using AI gets cucked by this shitGreat depression 2.0 boogaloo. Cap me.
>>730952262>Explain this then, super huge brained genius. Why do game devs even bother using AI if it saves no time? Because they are being forced to by retarded techlets at the top mostly. It can save a bit of time with extremely simple shit. The amount of time it save from that isnt massive. Again, if it were then we should be getting games at 2, 3, or 4 times the rate than we were pre-AI. We arent. At all. Its almost like its overhyped to hell and over invested.>Why are coders so threatened by AI if it doesn't add any value? Why are multi-billion dollar companies investing billions in something that doesn't have any practical value? Why is AI so popular that steam adjusted their AI disclosure policy?Because techlets are retarded and they are trying to cash in on a trend because they want to replace people. That doesnt make it an efficient investment.>There we go with the exaggerated teenage-girl like arguments again. It's so obvious that AI has a practical, especially time saving use, that I'm just going to think of a racial slur and call you it in my head and ignore your posts now. You're a coping retard.No, you are running like a bitch because you cant refute it. AI is supposed to speed up game dev. Ergo we should be getting games faster and indie should be exploding. It isnt. You have no rebuttal so you are now going to pretend to ignore me. Concession accepted.
>>730952713> which it can't only perform a hollow mimicry of.Which it CAN only perform a hollow mimicry of
>>730952658>s-seetheTry making a game instead of LARPing and they pussing out the second someone asks you anything about it
>>730952297That's cool anon but you've still failed to win your argument because the anon had a reasonable reason to not answer your question.Here think about this. If it's truly your belief that the creative process of making vidya should not involve AI then that would have been the case regarding what type of game it was. So it wouldn't have actually mattered to you what type of game the anon says so it was a pointless question.
>>730952203>someone peddling AI is shilling AIWow>study based on nothingIt based on data, which doesnt give a fuck about your feefees or shill opinions
https://files.catbox.moe/6xq270.mp4
>>730952493There's something fundamentally dishonest about making a product free to suck up all the market share and then starting to obnoxiously monetize it
>>730952713>he is too stupid to understand it is a joke mocking the idiotic idea that there is no creative work in programming, making a simile with art where there is planning and execution, and creativity relies mainly in the planning phaseYou can barely draw doodles, and I am expecting you to know both about the process behind your own craft AND how programming works.No wonder you are getting replace by a toaster.
>>730944184Nobody really cared about AI coding in the first place and its hard to actually "see" if a game is AI coded. Most people give a shit about it effecting the arts since it looks weird and ugly most of the time
>>730952928Yeah, capitalism is terrible. We tried warning you.
>>730952127There's another one!
>>730952262>Why are multi-billion dollar companies investing billions in something that doesn't have any practical value?we're really going to see retards defending these companies as if they've never invested in dumb shit that ruined the user's experience beforehey anonwhy is windows so fucking bloated? why has the amount of spyware increased over time? why have multiple basic windows utilities (start menu, settings, search, file explorer) all gotten worse with each windows update? why are they trying to replace the functional Control Panel with the shitty bare-bones UI in settings?you're seriously going to argue that >WELL THEY'RE INVESTING MONEY IN IT SO IT MUST BE GOOD
>>730952839>That's cool anon but you've still failed to win your argument because the anon had a reasonable reason to not answer your question.No, a faggot got called out for LARPing and then he shit his pants and said that describing what he is working on would "dox him". This alone shows that he has no fucking idea how technology works in general. Why would anyone believe that a demonstratable techlet retard is totally being truthful about the game hes totally working on while conviently making excuses on why he wont post workflow examples or even fucking talk about what hes working on? Pics or it didnt happen you fucking LARPing bitch.
>>730952493>>730952719This was always the plan, not having anything to do with the success or failure of the tech itself. Just how they created the pay tiers in the first place. Its typical>get everyone onboard cheap or free >Once you cant live without it and its just normal to a wide userbase, you start jacking up the monetization. Shit that was free is not. More restrictions. More ads. Data mining and 'partnerships' Remember the days of >ITS JUST HORSE ARMOR AND ITS $2.50 IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY ITand how it grew into the modern gaming monetization monstrosity.
>>730952954You should use AI to talk for you so your post actually makes sense. I'm sure you won't have a problem with this since you use it to do everything else for you.
>>730952987>We tried warning you.You have no cause to be smug when your answer to capitalism is even worse.
>>730953058>No, a faggot got called out for LARPing and then he shit his pants and said that describing what he is working on would "dox him".And? Was you goal to call someone a LARPer? No it was to win the argument. This is what you call an ad hominem anon.
>>730953068>>ITS JUST HORSE ARMOR AND ITS $2.50 IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY ITI remember everyone shitting on it nonstop and now things 1000x worse are considered normal by groomed kids
>>730944184AI will ultimately be a positive for the coding world.>But won't it cause mass layoffscorrect, programming field is absurdly saturated right now. new grad were already struggling to find work before coding AI assistance became a thing but the "demand" needed more programmers for mega projects. It's a kill shot the industry needed because too many people saw it as easy money as did colleges>But won't it just be indians coding with AI and lead to slop programscorrect that's happening right now and it is ruining everything an exponential rate, Windows 11 is barely usable and it's telling companies that you have to stop outsourcing to india if you want your product to survive. You can only vibecode your software until it's irreparably damaged. This means this stuff will trickle down to the few ultra knowledgeable and talented people creating things at a fraction of the budget at a fraction of the time.It's a rebirth through fire kind of situation
>>730952275>Coding determines how the game playsretard
>>730945095This isn't surprising when you consider IQ. The Indias and others are stupid so they need LLM, trained using data from Higher IQ nations, to produce slop.
>>730952867>someone making it knows how to use itvs>retards
>>730953142socialism? Pretty sure having some level of government control is necessary
>>730953068There isn't even any tech, it's the same predictive text algorithm that smartphones used from 2009 with massive databases attached that require insane amounts of energy to scour through every time you prompt it with multiple tags.
>>730953231What determines the momentum physics in a sonic game anon?
>>730953232Every now and then I accidentally come across an indian website, don't realize, and start wondering why everything sounds retarded and it's using broken english
>>730953252>veterans of the industry are totally retards that dont know how to code
>>730944184Expedition 33 really throw a bombshell everywhere did itAll because frenchies didn't disclaim they used gen AI before one guy noticed on a random newspaper texture and they went full nuclear panic mode and removed it lmao.
>>730953080>he is too stupid to read and understand basic EnglishMan you are as much a disgrace as your parents and teachers used to tell you lmao.
>>730944184Look I get if youre upset that a game has a bunch of cheap shitty AI art assets, but if youre angry chatgpt helped someone write a for-loop you're in for a really bad time with probably every single game released in the last 2-3 years.Lots of people are using AI assistance without even realizing that it's AI
>>730953142What's your answer to capitalism? I mean besides whining and crying about it like you're going to do for the rest of your pathetic, cucked life.
>>730953287I would support some regulations to curb the worst excesses of these corporate faggots. I'd be very careful about getting too restrictive and authoritarian with them though
>>730945781what else do you expect from mindless steamdrones, remember when tim sweindle said steam should remove the AI shit and everyone here mocked him for it, now that steam does just that it's considered a good thing!
>>730953142>your answer to capitalism is something my capitalist overlords told me is bad and I believed it because ummmm....errrr...they're my friends ok!What did they tell you that I said?
>>730951618>The same can be said about those macros when they were made by hand.damn you're close but lemme help you across the finish line:if the jokes are weak regardless of how they're presented then what's the point in dressing them up like they're handmade art? it's the same retard slop, at least the old MSpaint style was visually representative of the low-tier of humor.
>>730953363>noooo don't criticize the failing system if you can't solely solve it in one forum post!slave mentality.
>>730953360You are simply incapable of communicating, just like you're incapable of making art.That's what happens when you defer to AI for everything. So why don't you just take the final plunge and have it communicate for you directly? That's where you'll end up in a few years' time anyway. Might as well get it over with.
>>730953363Did I say I had an answer to it? I know for damn sure you don't.>>730953424More unmerited smugness. I'm capable of observing how terrible communism is all on my own.
>>730945659Exactly this absolutely transparent and cowardly
>>730950312>use chatgpt as a glorified search engine (because actual search engines are shit these days)>chatgpt: here's some search terms that appear to be what you're looking for>cool, this is exactly what I was looking for, I'll go look into it and then implement a similar system with my own handcrafted codeOH MY GODS!!!! OH MY DISNEY STAR WARS BABY YODA SCRUNKLE!!!!! VALVE IS USING AI TO COOOOOOOOOOOODE!!!!!!
>>730953425>deliberately made shitty memes prove whatever retarded scenario I made in my mindOkay man. Cool story, keep at that, it has promise
>>730953202>make a claim that youre totally going to use AI to do XYZ and make your game amazing because AI is so great>get asked to describe your game>bitch out and claim you cant share anything because of "doxxing"Anon made a fucking claim and when pressed he made an excuse that literally makes no sense. Of he is so stupid that he thinks the act of describing his game would "dox him", then his opinions on the tech can be safely ignored for he demonstrated that he is both a techlet retard and isnt actually doing the thing he claimed to do. This is egregious because he was trying to use his claim as a way to prop up his shit argument. If you are going to lie to make your point look better, then this is a concession that you cant argue the point on its own merit. If you dont want people to focus on a claim that you made up, then dont make the claim. Dont try to twist this on anyone else.
>>730953487Seriously, reread the post very slowly, ask an AI to think for you since you clearly can't, and you will see you are literally too goddamn stupid to understand basic English.
>>730953618Jannies, kill this man.
if AI can be trained on all the copyrighted materials in the world with no issues then why don't the AI companies democratize themselves so that ownership belongs to the people?
>>730952967>weird and uglyThe same thing was said about "CGI" back in the 90s and 2000s - everything except the very best was seen as being 'cheap looking' like old SciFi movie of the week bullshit. Now, its the dominant (though not necessarily exclusive) way to create artwork and effects. All the trannies with their patreon complaining about AI are are doing their furry commission shit with digital tools, they're not painting on canvas 99% of the time, for instance. "CGI" and effects today can vary from the shitty to the great, but nobody spergs out about them being CGI since all that is normalized; the same will happen with AI. The question is what form will it be in and will normal people get a benefit from it or only megacorps. >>730953203>"everyone" shitting on it nonstopEveryone who were old Morrowind players on PC,certainly and those used to expansions, free online play etc... but the publishers figured out they didn't have to deal with 'us' anymore because they had a new crop of a fuckload of kids who didn't care about all that shit. I used to work for the biggest MMOs of the pre-WoW era and we looked over to Korean item mall shit and said>Our players would never accept a $10 item, that's as much as it costs for access to the whole game for a month! They'd tear us limb from limb and be right to do so if we started acting like that. Sadly, things "evolved" and mobile fags, Fortnite item and previous MMO ITS JUST COSMETIC BRO item mall shit, lootboxes, gacha etc... because it only takes a tiny percentage of autists to spend a fortune to make ti worthwhile. It takes the same amount of effort to make a clothing skin or a mount or whatever the fuck so if you can get people to pay $20, 40, or spend several hundred just to get the RIGHT to random for it (as with Apex, LoL, Smite , and of course gacha) its basically free money and in a line-goes-up-always fucktarded economic environment, its too good a 'deal' to pass up
>>730953471>>730953558capitalist bots patrolling for freethey only know servitudethey will never be men
>>730953737>he's so useless without an AI he's just repeating my own insults back at me, slightly alteredFucking kek, you can't make this shit up
>>730953669>Anon made a fucking claim and when pressed he made an excuse that literally makes no sense.Anon claimed he was going to use ai to do something. He never claimed he was going to tell you shit about his game. I don't see why it's hard to believe he would use AI, loads of people already are doing that and if anything believe he's not competent or a "LARPer" only makes it more likely he's going to use AI.>Of he is so stupid lol
>>730953817>just replace the current greedy elites with other greedy elites except now they have complete control at the state levelGENIUS!
>>730948057>European dark ages>retard luddite falls for fake history bullshit Every time.
>>730953796if you don't think widespread CGI has negatively affected cinema then you shouldn't be talking about the subject at all
>>730952223You could always print your own cards, you just wouldn't be allowed to play in official tournaments with a full deck of counterfeits.
>>730953819I am not insulting you, I am trying to make you slightly less retarded. It is seriously perfect English, there is something seriously wrong with you if you think otherwise.Well, I get that you are probably just pretending to be retarded so you don't have to face your own stupidity, but just in case you are genuine
I don't have to commission to artists anymore, so thanks AI.
>>730953908>everyone is greedy because I am greedy, therefor I will continue to go to bat for greedy fucks making my life miserablewell said, capitalist sister!
>>730954092>paying for a drawingI barely pay for high production movies and vidya, you think I got jpeg money???
>>730953926>if you don't think widespread CGI has negatively affected cinema then you shouldn't be talking about the subject at allThis 100%It's an absolute travesty
>>730953964Why would I care about some gay ass corporate tournament? I just want a resource for high res images
Keep associating not wanting slop with the left, that will surely not backfire.
>>730953903And the claim is that he is using this shit in his game. When questioned he made up an excuse that makes no sense. He is lying and a techlet. This destroys his argument at a fundamental level and signals to anyone with a brain that any opinion he has is ill informed. When should anyone believe a flagrant liar and techlet in an argument about the tech? And why are you so desperate to white knight for such a liar? What it tells me is that youre ok with being lied to, or are too stupid to recognize when you are being lied to. Which tracks considering the amount of lying in the AI sphere.>lolWhoa, I hit "o" instead of "i", you sure showed me.
>>730954095>communism can totally work, the elites that control when I can eat will totally be good people looking out for me!Laughably childish. Maybe when you stop living in fantasy land we can start coming up with real solutions, instead of ones that always lead to famine and oppression.
>>730944184>in codingSo an artist is allowed to vibe code his game but a programmer can't generate assets?
>>730954294>everyone who points out flaws about capitalism is a communist!well cucked, xister!
>>730954016>It is seriously perfect EnglishOh, I see. You're Indian. It all makes sense now.It's funny, a lot of Indians actually grow up speaking English and they're still terrible at it.
Fresh off the slop machine today.>they cant detain people>then says they can detain people in the same fucking sentenceTrillions of dollars invested btw.
>>730944271most of these people think ai is some new thing, but it's existed in variable capacity in the very tools used in design for decades now
>>730954301>have to disclose it == it's not allowedWhy are AIniggers so deceitful by nature?
>>730954294>muh gommunism
>>730954385It says they cannot detain US citizens for immigration violations
>>730954301You can vibe code and use AI all you want, you just have to say you did. Why are AIfags so mad about this when you keep telling us that everyone loves AI and the people against it are a minority? Are you not proud of your slop?
>>730954279Oh man you are still seething and arguing with randos about me? LmaoBest shitpost I ever made
>>730954385>Trillions of dollars grifted btw.Americans voted for this. Whites will be robbed and thrown into camps with mexicans. You did this to yourselves. Hooah!
>>730944368Because the whole purpose of art is that it's a relationship and interaction between people. A person is conveying something through what they create and you are taking a reading of it. When you come across some cool and interesting boss design in a game, part of the joy of it is the moment of distant connection you get with the artist who designed it, you want to know it came from the human imagination.Coding is a perfunctory practice, a means to an end. It's a chore, but a necessary (currently) part of realizing your game. Nobody cares about the code of a game, only its design and function, and if a human designed all the gameplay and features and asked ChatGPT to put it into programmable syntax then I do not give a single shit about that.
>>730953290There's plenty of tech, both in the algorithms, the weights, training, and other shit involved. >insane amounts of energyThis is just untrue. The major energy costs are for training the way that megacorps do, not prompting. Their whole thing is secret sauce proprietary fuckery, dumping everything into it they can get their hands on and it has to be redundant because they need it to be their special secret service; they aren't doing anything collaborative. Consider the difference between baseline Stable Diffusion at its release and now, where there are tons of users who have contributed to small scale servers or run it locally on their PCs, or dumped their favorite mangaka's porn into it so they can create a system of weights or a LoRA that basically adds some very specific stuff to the model . This did not take huge amounts of resources and in fact, were decentralized and beneficial because of interoperability. That's to say nothing for stuff like distillation or other tech used to improve models or allow them to be run on less powerful hardware with higher degrees of fidelity, speed etc... all collaboratively and open. It takes much less energy to do this than for each megacorp to be building its own coal (or perhaps nuclear) plant and buying up all the RAM and GPUs it can find to fuck with it privately so it can patent everything and sell it as a service.>>730953926>>730954145This is just OLD GOOD NEW BAD bias. There were horrible practical effects too in the old days, people just ignore that shit for these discussions. All the monkey suits and bug heads and tinfoil covered spaceman shit, horrible slasher effects and fake blood that looks like cherry koolaid etc. Its like claiming that the 60s had "real music" picking the best of the era while ignoring the tens of thousands of knockoff jam bands and horrid guys that thought they were dylan,the beatles, grateful dead, or anyone else.
>>730954469Not proving citizenship is a violation.
>>730944326Programs are literary works. It's the same subject.
>You're legally required to disclose all the ingredients in your food before you sell it>You're legally required to disclose if your movie/game can cause seizures>You're legally required to disclose what you're billing people for anything>But for some reason disclosing the fact that your game has AI is gonna harm the industry even though AI is supposed to be le goodExplain
>>730954563Not an immigration violation, cause you aren't migrating anywhere
>>730954361>everyone who points out flaws about capitalism is a communist!If only you had tried making this argument before desperately defending communism in your previous post.Obviously people can criticize the current system without advocating for communism. But I can tell from your posts that you are a commie.Communism is an evil, failed ideology, and it will only ever be an evil, failed ideology because it is based on delusion and a desire to control others.I will never let you implement communism while I continue to breathe.
>>730954408Because if you mark yourself you will have artists doing an anti-shilling campaign against you, that's effectively not allowing it.
>>730954380You do realize you are letting everyone know you speak your own native tongue worse than some alleged pajeet, right?By the way, is saying "Indian" instead of streetshitter fecaloid your way to cope with being racist but pretending you aren't? Man, you retarded leftists clowns and your cognitive dissonance mental illnesses lmao
>>730954542There's more "tech" in my fucking Half-Life config.cfg lmao
>>730954427Socialism is pretty bad too. I guess I could get behind a limited version of it.
>>730954484>cant refute anything>I-I win...You are pussing out just like the "other anon" because you dont like that I refutes your bullshit and shot down your gay attempt to deflect when the impetus to prove the claim was never on me. You are now trying to pathetically act like you are le ebin troll to save face because your ego is extremely fragile and thus compells you to try to win with an ebin last word.Concession accepted. Ill let you have the last word since I know that important to you. I think I embarrassed you enough already.
>>730954578Alt-right incels and indians have been corporately groomed to abandon their principles for their grifting overlords.
>>730954542>This is just OLD GOOD NEW BAD bias.No, it actually looks like shit 99% of the time.
>>730954385Citizens by definition didn't violate immigration law.
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>>730954639If capitalism is so great, how come you can't afford medicine to avoid your schizophrenic meltdown that involves events that never happened?
>>730954787I am not arguing with you, you moron. There is no point of convincing you of anything, you will be dragged crying and screaming into the reality you hate with or without my help.I am just laughing at you for being such a seething retard.
>>730954773>socialism is bad bro, just trust me, my capitalist buddies who shit down my neck daily told me so
>>730952839>because the anon had a reasonable reason to not answer your question.No he didn't.Posting your own code or pics/vids of your own game does not automatically reveal personal information about you unless you did something stupid like putting in your ip address or other personal information.
>>730953308>>730953308>What determines the momentum physics in a sonic game anon?The physics system, conceptually, and the variables chosen by the developer. Whether or not they wrote that into one programming language or another or just wrote it in plain English and asked an AI to program it is entirely irrelevant to the end result of the gameplay. You're conflating gameplay design and coding - one is the single most crucial core part of a video game and the other is menial labor.
xisters... not like this...
>>730954787>that I refutes
Reminder that Americans got robbed by a jew, a taiwanese immigrant, an orange man and the saudis (who flew planes into the WTC)
>>730954737>You do realize you are letting everyone know you speak your own native tongue worse than some alleged pajeet, right?No, you being indian is the explanation for why you're so terrible at communicating in English. The fact you're misunderstanding this only adds credence to my claim.>By the way, is saying "Indian" instead of streetshitter fecaloid your way to cope with being racist but pretending you aren't?Lol, imagine stopping to ask yourself "will 4chan judge me if I say indian instead of pajeet? I'd better say pajeet so they don't think badly of me..." every time you post. Pathetic.>leftistNope, but you've busted out that attempted dismissal twice now. You must really be sweating.
>>730955113fucking KEK
>>730954385I hate ChatGPT and OpenAI specifically for being proprietary shitfuckery, but it didn't say anything wrong here .You just didn't read the thing carefully. >They don't have the right to enforce immigration shit on citizens >However, if you don't prove you're a citizen they will detain you on suspicion until its figured out >They have also done illegal shit mistakenly / because they were douchebags, which resulted in legal action. All of this is accurate at the same time. This is like seeing>Its illegal for people to get raped in prison, and is not part of the sentence passed down by the judge; prison wardens are supposed to prevent sexual violence against inmates>People do get raped in prison because of violent power seeking fucktards, insufficient oversight, bribed guards or otherwise compromised staff, among other shit >If you don't want to get raped in prison, ideally dont' go to prison but if you do don't be an obnoxious fuck and make enemies, while also having friends to watch your back if need be.and then screeching about >BUT IT SAID PRISON RAPE IS ILLEGAL THEN ITS SAYS IT HAPPENS I R CONFUZZLED STUPID BOT HURRR
>>730954821This is more sophisticated than the usual>pro-AI = right and anti-AI = leftshill post, well done. But you're still a faggot.Plenty of people on the right don't like AI. We're not in lockstep like leftists.
>>730953796>Everyone who were old Morrowind players on PC,certainly and those used to expansions, free online play etc...I remember EVERYONE shitting on it. Everyone on here making fun of it and I was an underage b& my friend with an xbox and morrowind making fun of it and we were like kids, like 14 years old and he never played an elderscrolls game before that. I don't know how the fuck this shit was normalized. It was a complete fucking joke at first.
>>730954912>events that never happenedWhich ones? Be specific.
>>730955168>addresses none of the points>replies nonsensical gibberish while accusing the other precisely of thatWell, I guess I accept your concession.Are you Farquaad, by any chance? This stubborn stupidity of yours sounds awfully familiar.
>>730955347The ones you made up, obviously
>>730954971You always know you're talking to a leftist when they pull out this disingenuous shit:>you don't have real opinions someone else told you what to thinkAs if it isn't obvious projection every time.Very revealing.
>>730944326“Art” as a concept suffers under AI. While use of AI could be “artful”, it introduces a layer of abstraction that removes the creator from the work, and the technique and experience working with the medium directly is lost.Imagine getting really good at working with a pottery-making machine, but you’re limited to the capabilities of the machine. You’ll never work directly with the clay, and I think that’s a shame.
>>730955278>We're not in lockstep like leftists.
>>730955461That's not being specific. I gave you a chance and you wasted it.Thanks for conceding though.
>>730954846The same thing was said about digital cameras, effects/renders etc.. but now its commonplace. Hell, just in a few years even the AI hating tards screeching changed from >LOOK AT THE FINGERS BRO ITS NEVER GOING TO THREATEN REAL ARTISTS LAFF LAFF LAFF to>OMG STOP IT ITS GONNA STEAL MY ART AND MY JOB AND SOMEONE ASKED IF MY STUFF WAS AI AND NOBODY PATREONS ME ANYMORE ABLOOBLOOBLOO TECHBRO FASCISM Technology improves. Everyone remembers the Yakuza 0 quest about the "bag phone / shoulder phone" right?
>>730955278>>730955468That was fast!
>>730955445>addresses none of the pointsI addressed all of your supposed "points". This pathetic scrambling is really something else.>FarquaadI don't even know who that is, but the fact that you're schizoing about him tells me everything I need to know.
>>730955552I concede that capitalism is awful because schizophrenics like you go around untreated shitting in everyone's food.
>>730955540>leftist retard seethes impotently about AI for the 7478340438th time this nanosecondWatching the world give you lot what you deserve in real time never gets old.
>>730955638Yes, I made both posts. Do you have a point to make?
>>730955724I got what I voted for
>>730955706Maybe one day you'll stop sabotaging your own efforts by chasing a system that's even worse.
>>730955301oblivion I mean
I literally cant wait for the AI bubble to pop just to see the catastrophic asspain from every shill here
>>730955840>every other system is bad bro, just trust me, my capitalist buddies who spit in my mouth told me so!
>>730955301Quite simply, all the people complaining were a small cadre of "hardcore gamers" who knew how things were in the past, but between >Newfags who didn't know any better>A fortune in psyops designed to normalize it - "What are you, poor?" its JUST a couple of dollars you spend more on Starbucks" >a massive vested interest at a time gamers were spreading from the 'true nerds' on PC and console , to the "Xbros / G4 era stereotypes playing Madden and Halo", and this would continue to expand as time went on. This was also the time when >Its just cosmetic, its okay if its a surcharge outside of the normal game! Its only bad if its p2wwas pushed heavily when previously even in MMOs the aesthetic was part of the reason something mattered. EverQuest or Ultima Online high level shit looked cool, that was part of the point . Even WoW's early years for instance had nothing purchased a la carte except rare shit for charity etc. Basically its both demographic shift and normalization mixed with a huge ROI that makes almost everyone do this stuff but it was one of the worst things about it all.
>>730955974Communism specifically is dogshit, yes.
>>730955651Look, I already told you I accept your concession, Farquaad. No need to double down.By the way, be sure to write a lengthy reply and haunt the thread seething impotently about AI after I am gone. Thoroughly demonstrate your troglodytic mastery of language. You never know, I might return at some point and read it, right? Hahahaha
>>730955974Capitalism produces the most powerful nation in human history and 99.9% of worthwhile vidya. We so much better than you, in fact, that we have been in a social civil war for over a decade and none of have have even gotten close to bridging the gap. We also subsidize most of yuro defenses to keep you from being greater Russia, which allows you to actually sustain your socialist system at all.Your move.
>>730956090>muh gommunismLike clockwork. It must be bot'o'clock.
>>730946614This screencap is a test of character. Will you eat the cow poo?
>>730956189>I am proud to cuck myself for wealthy and powerful men, even if it means I will eat ze bugs, own nothing and never have sex
>>730956201Communism is objective worse, yea. Socialism also has failed to produce anything as substantial as America in military and economic might.
>>730953142I support national socialism, so its not worse.
>>730956201>commie pretends not to be a commie>but keeps trying to defend communism anywayThis is the average tankie's intelligence level
>>730956189Every highest grossing game from the last 6 years has been Chinese
>>730956287>>730956294>muh gommunism part three
>>730956285>cant refute itOk, give us back all the money we are giving you for your protection. Since you're doing so well by yourselves.>>730956310Because China has a gorillian people. That doesnt make gachashit worthwhile.
>>730956289Well it's better than communism at least
>>730956353>cant dispute it at all>deflects and strawmanslol, get off my websites and social media then. Make your own.
>>730956380>yoU cAnT ReFuTe mY PoInT
>>730955818I got mine off a pretty humble start, while your poor decisions in life and childish beliefs in fairy tales got you without yours, despite you probably coming from a well off background, at least better than mine.Watching you clowns squirm and suffer is just a nice extra that makes me smirk for a few seconds before I forget about you.
>>730956353>I'm going to ridicule you for thinking I support this even though I got mad and defended it earlier, and by the way I won't say that I don't support it or what I do supportYawn.
>>730956461>runs away like a blubbering vagina the second he's confronted with an argument or any pushback at allWhy are thirdworlder socialists like this? Is this why their countries are irrelevant?
>>730956380>>730956451>can't refute>can't disputeCapitalist bots are marching on, hoorah, hoorah! Hooray for communism when we do it!
