There seemed to be some interest in the thread I posted yesterday so I'm posting again. I'd just like to discuss it more in a place that isn't the Mewgenics discord server (full of children).>What is Mewgenics? Mewgenics is a roguelike TRPG made by Edmund McMillen, creator of The Binding of Isaac and Super Meat Boy. You take cats on runs with events, battles and bosses, then take them home where you can breed them to make kittens that carry their attributes and abilities. It plays like XCOM and Into The Breach but with very deep roguelike elements. It has a similar run progression to Slay The Spire with branching paths and bosses at the end of each chapter. >When does it come out? It releases on the 10th of February. There is no preorder, but Edmund has stated the game will cost $29.99 and that there will be some release day discount.Resources: >Steam Pagehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/686060/Mewgenics/>Gameplay videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@EdmundMcMillenGamesEdmund has released quite a few ~hour long gameplay videos recently >Wikihttps://mewgenics.wiki.gg/It's very sparse, but has various game elements listed that have been gathered from the gameplay videos
>>730948487ENOUGH WITH THE ROGUELIKES
The biggest complaint I've seen is regarding the art style. When I first started looking at Edmunds dev stuff I didn't really like it, but it's grown on me. I think more than anything I don't care so much about the art style because of how deep the gameplay seems to be.
>>730948487>Mewgenics discord server (full of children)hasn't this game been in development for literally over a decade, what the kids doin' in there
I hate the reddit style of this dev, but the game has a decent enough premise that I will still try it out.
>>730948868I think it's mostly from the new wave of Isaac fans, also Edmund has been getting a lot of views on his tiktok videos about it
As someone with a few thousands hours in Isaac I was sceptical of this will turn out, but there are a few things that have made me excited. Edmund has been firm on the depth of this game, saying that there will be about the same amount of content in it that Isaac Rebirth currently has. He stated that there will be over 1200 abilities split across the many classes and ~900 items in the game. Another interesting point is his comments on interactions between the abilities. One of the most fun parts of Isaac is the item synergies, this was difficult to implement in Isaac because it had to be hard coded into the game, but with Mewgenics a more broad system has been implemented from the ground up. This is most clearly seen through the elements system, where abilities can have elements like fire and ice that can interact. A simple interaction is that fire abilities can set fire to grass tiles which turn them into burning tiles that will damage enemies.
Mewgenics was a project as far back as 2011 I think. Edmund started work on it at Team Meat after Super Meat Boy released, but Tommy quietly cancelled the project behind Edmunds back, which lead to him leaving. He mentioned on a podcast that he got an email from someone at Steam telling him they were sad that the project was cancelled, and that how Edmund found out
>>730950131>but Tommy quietly cancelled the project behind Edmunds backwhy tho?
>Edmund McMillenpass
>>730950194nta but irrc he thought it was too much of a risk and he wasn't in for it.
>>730948487not a roguelikeI'll pirate it like I pirated his other slop
>>730949473>One of the most fun parts of Isaac is the item synergies, this was difficult to implement in Isaac because it had to be hard coded into the gameTo what extent is this true? Isaac's systems were pretty broad to begin with, I thought the majority of synergies came from that.
>>730950194Tommy wanted all resources to go towards the Super Meat boy phone game. This would become Super Meat Boy Forever, which took him 10 years to make.
>>730950341What I mean is the item synergies, for instance if you get brimstone and mom's knife in base game, they just override each other, whereas later in development a synergy was hard coded.
https://youtu.be/i-6JyDJayIw?si=PHj0jJkk05ofu_VdThe music is very fun
>>730950396You have to be shitting me.
>>730950824I think it's for the best because Mewgenics was going to be a very different game. It had the same base of a house and cat breeding, but the gameplay was focused on various minigames the cats would do. Seemed very empty in comparison to what we're getting
>>730950698https://youtu.be/BKlAS-jBcew?si=f_AidkLOc6-9QmEHThey really did a good job on it.
>>730951078Yeah that's my favourite track so far
I'm really interested in how crazy the later classes will get. This is one briefly shown in the trailer that seems to be centred around food
>>730951019Probably. Judging from Edmund's interviews he seem really excited and passionate about Mewgenics more than Isaac.
>>730951929It was kind of sad watching his tiktok videos about Mewgenics last year. There was no interest in the game and people kept asking about Isaac, he seemed drained. There is actual interest in it now though. Also yeah, he keeps saying that Mewgenics is his biggest passion project and says that it's going to be better than Isaac
>>730951019Wasn't he trying to make mewgenics a roguelike from the start? I think he said that him making tboi was to get a better understanding at developing roguelikes just to prepare for it.
>>730952306Yeah idk, just the way he described it seemed boring. There is a prototype called 1000 Cats that he showed at a few cons, but I think it's lost media now
>"shit on purpose" art style
>>730948487He doesn't even have a tongue, how's he mewing!?
>>730948487>a roguelike TRPGAnd just like that, my interest is gone.
>>730948487I'm looking forward to this but god damn is it ugly.
>>730954335I'd say have a look at some gameplay before you make your mind up. The classes and abilities are really fun, it's very inspired by D&D and Magic The Gathering
>>730954939My issue was more with the colour palette, a lot of very muted colors. Though it has been made more colorful recently and there's a lot more going on visually later in the game
>>730948487>hear that MG dev started proper this time>no thanks>seeing first pics>no thanks>seeing more pics>no thanks still.>gameplay>decent but probably not my cup of tea>news quiet down again>forget about it>news about MG pick up again>see stuff>decide to look more into it>???>gobble up every damn interview and preview i can find>now desire to preorderhow does Steakmund do it? Or was it Tyler's black magic?
>>730948487this game is going to be 30 fucking usd?? holy shit thats expensive for an ugly ass game like this. i have 1400 hours on isaac but what i liked most what collecting items this game just kinda looks retarded, im sure its fine as a game but it would need to be like 75% off for me to consider buying it.it probably is fun, but its...just so fucking ugly and feels 'reddit' which is a buzzword, but i dont know how to describe how i feel about this gamethis thread warmed me up a little, since i thought it was a project he started recently in the past 5 years or something, but still eugh
>>730955326Literally me. I think it's because Edmund really loves it and had faith in it. Bumbo died because the concept was half baked and Edmund wasn't committed. Also Tyler was the programmer for The End is Nigh and that game is whatever
>>730955541I think it's a totally fair price. He spent 6 years of full development on this and stated that he's spent ~$1million of his own money on it. Btw ugly and reddit is the exact description Isaac has had for over a decade and you have 1400 hours in it
i wonder what mental illness faggotry steakmund will put in the gamehe already said retards from both sides will hate on the game from some reason or other
>>730955956why is this so fucking long>>730955754>6 years of full development on this and stated that he's spent ~$1million of his own money on itWhat was he spending the money on, since it doesnt seem to be artstyle.but thats fair im sorry, its just the name, little cats, breeding them and making them fight just reminds me of older quirky humour, that i think you can only really attribute to reddit now. also yes i hate all the shit and farts in isaac.
>>730955596Did you play EiN?As far as i got from MG interviews, Ed just regrets not marketing it properly, which is why he is doing the MG stuff rn so it does not fail.
>>730956130Wages for like 11 people over 6 years
>>730956308so they got paid like 13888 a year for the past 6 each, for an average of 1157 per month ?
>>730956305I never played, I watched some gameplay and it didn't grasp me. A slower Meat Boy with an annoying story about a lets player in the apocalypse
Okay but why is the game so fucking ugly
>>730957080It's cute...
>>730957127No it's not...
>>730957080Define "ugly"?
>>730957080I bet Ed is still seething.
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CAT FIGHTCAT FIGHT CAT FIGHTI'm interested in the vocal tracks, they're catchy but i hope they won't get on my nerves playing through the game after a while
>>730948487So let me get this straight:>Super Meat Boy = perfect platformer, occupies gamers for years, SMB 3 2.0>Binding of Isaac = perfect rogue-like, occupies gamers for MORE THAN A DECADE, Diablo II 2.0> Mewgenics = perfect HOMM, gonna occupy people for years, HOMM 3 2.0How does he do it?
>>730957348Lol I forgot about that. Yeah he's definitely still upset, but I think it will be a similar thing to Isaac where you can think the art is ugly but still really enjoy the game
>>730957348I am very much looking forward to your game, SteakmanMcLarenbut it is objectively pretty fucking ugly
>>730948665Yup, I really dislike this shitty "le low effort xDDD" art style. And I loved how SMB looks. Isaac is perfectly fine. This one actually repels meI'm not even sure I should play this before beating HOMM III and 5
>>730957578It plays nothing like homm, what are you taking about?
sorry I can't stomach his reddit aesthetic anymore
30 bucks is a bit of a steep ask.Will have to see what that opening sale is. I like Ed as a creative but his "brand" isn't worth Phil Fish levels of pretention and he should know that by now.
>>730957358The art style looks ok desu. Some of the gear looks awkward on the cats but nothing that can't be fixed or hopefully would.
>>730957578By having some stinkers along the way
>>730957752I'd imagine a 15% discount
>>730957734Name 5 other recent games with a similar aesthetic to justify your point.
>>730957578Tell me you've just been watching Seth play homm without telling me
>>730957965Man, Edmund really doesn't look that bad compared to the look outside dev Francis Coulombe, that dude is ugly as fuck at 37 and Edmund is 45.Both fat bearded fucks but Edmund is at least kinda Santa coded, Frankie is JUST.
>>730957080because it's an Edmund McMillan game. have you seen his other shit? it looks exactly the same
Can we please name our cats. I want to name my cat 4chan and give it autism and depression and obesity and everything else.
>>730958303You can only take each cat out on a single run. I think it's better that you can't name them. There were two periods in which you could submit names to be added to the game, not sure if the most recent google form is still open
>>730957965This guy looks gross. I think it's mainly that Edmund has some muscle that balances the fat. But also Edmund has a wife and kids and seems like a genuine person, this Francis dude seems like a loser
The lines are just too fucking dummy thicc. It was okay in the twenty year old newgrounds game, but you have so much going on in this visually and at an isometric angle. Even the UI having that thickness is an awful choice, although he at least realized enough to decrease the contrast there. It’s a mess. Probably will be good though, don’t get me wrong.
Newgrounds artstyle is peak soul and all the modern and old memes im the game is even more soul, I hope there's troll faces and more somewhere. Him calling himself unc in one stream is soul>"pyrofina" boss instead of akwafinaSOUL
>>730958729I've been following the development of the game closely for the past year, I've just gotten used to art style
>>730958617I don't think he any kids or wife, he's just a guy who's game got popular overnight, but yeah he looks so fucking bad. Nice guy, but wough. When he streams you can see even more of his grey ass fucking hair, it's super long too bruhI wouldn't really consider Frankie a loser more than we are kek, he just got nominated for his first game and he's going to an event in NYC where he was invited. Worked on Barkley 2 and his writer/friend made the original game, really talented, just unfortunate looks>>730958984holy fuck autism just kidding, SOVL
We need to get him to refer to himself as steakmund
It's in the game...
>>730948487I liked isaac but i only ever played like 100 hoursI could see myself putting 1k into this game. I love turn based grid game, been looking for something good after 100% into the breach
>>730958729Looks fine to me. I was playing Basement Collection in high school and looking forward to Mewgenics releasing though lol
>>730959490ITB is more like a puzzle game than a tactics game. I wouldn't say theyre comparable
>>730959050Oh yeah, I wonder how much steak bullshit will be in the game
>>730959490I have 1300 hours in Isaac, but every time I try to go back I just find myself getting pissed off. It's easy to get a few bad items and or rooms back to back and it's just draining. I don't think Mewgenics will have quite those same problems
>>730959038>I don't think he any kids or wifeSpending a single picosecond googling it shows otherwise
>>730950396>which took him 10 years to make.HowFucking howWhat the actual fuck
>>730959865I am talking about Frankie having no wife or kids, we both know Edmund has
>>730948487Game looks ugly in the sense of desaturated colors with murky color palettes. I'm an Edmund cockgobbler by now, I think every single game he's made has value (even Bum-Bo) so I'll buy it without a second thought.
>>730959991And now 6 years later they're releasing Super Meat Boy 3D, which isn't even being made by Team Meat, it was handed off to some other studio
>>730960229Have you thanked [faceless corporation] for reviving your favorite indie game
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>>730960317how the fuck is this real, that pic you posted looks like it was fanmade garbage
>>730960405lol basedMy favorite is the depression debuff lowering the stats of everyone nearby
>>730957348Come on ed we all know its ugly. Just admit it, it works better this way because if all the cats were cute or cool looking I would grow too attached to them like I would units in other trpgs. The animation is very fluid and nice I will admit.
>>730960405Neat!
>>730960458It's being made by Edmund's biggest fans
this shit never coming out bruh
>>730960603it's literally coming out in a month
>>730960603It's coming February 10th, this date has been locked in for half a year
>>730960405but if you have 4 cats then the fakes will only be visible when controlling the bad one
>>730948487The idea is pretty good, but that art style is ugly and disgusting. I'd rather play a game with a more pleasant atmosphere and units, or even a neutral one.
>>730960641>>730960686nah watch
>>730960716I miss the days when people played games for the mechanics and gameplay and not whether they feel their dicks twitch while playing.
This game will either be underrated kino or a complete mess. There's no in-between.
>>730960726I think a delay is extremely unlikely. Edmund has mentioned that they planned to release the game around September last year but decided to push it to February to give them time to polish it without being rushed.
Ok pal, "ugly" is a strong word. We all have different tastes when it comes to art, but how can you truly know for sure that something is "ugly"? Just because you have disdain for the appearance of something that doesn't necessarily make it inherently so. Perhaps your understanding and perception of what is "ugly" is the one who is corrupted? I suggest we return to the root of the problem and answer the important questions. What does it mean to be "ugly", and how have we come to decide what is "ugly", and what isn't?
>>730960825If art wasn't important, every game would look like Thomas was alone. But that's not the case.
>>730961116Gotta be extra careful with the autism debuff lol
>>730961117There is a balance, I can forgive a game's art if the gameplay is good enough
Weird comparison but does anyone remember a game called Massive Chalice? It was from like 2012 or so and was also a turn based tactics game where you passed on unit genetics over many generations. I remember liking the idea back then but thinking the game was low on variety and content. Mewgenics seems to be nothing but variety and crazy mechanical interactions so I'm looking forward to trying it
It's the only game on my pile of neverevers that will actually come out, so I'm hyped.
>>730961198The only game with genetic buffs I know of was Rogue Legacy
>>730957348i wish the game was more colored thoit looks too grayish
>>730960716yeah I'd play this forever if it was anime girls instead
>>730962805Isn't breeding defective anime girls the plot of Senran Kagura
>Mewgenics in FebruarySTS 2 in Marchthis is all i need for the rest of the year
>>730961116It’s the meme
>>730949579>slack chatwtf
>>730948487Checked vods of the dev playing the game and while I like what I see, I cant help but notice that it seems to be too easy. For instance on one of his runs, which take place super early game, he is able to clear 3rd act while making multiple big missplays without losing a single cat. Later on in the game, you are supposed to have stockpiled great items in your storage and bred very strong cats and the game or at least a big portion of it(say the first 2 acts at the very least) will be trivial I would guess. Now you might say that you will be able to take alternate paths and go to peepeepoopoo hell and shit but the early-mid parts of your current expedition will still be a trivial slog that takes too much time once you have upgraded your base a bit. Please tell me I am wrong
>>730965314What Edmund has eluded to is that the early game holds your hand, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a hard mode like Isaac
>>730948935I'd have called it a 2000's Newgrounds style.
My concern with this is that there'll be too many trivial battles that just serve to slow the game down and waste your time.I watched one of his playthrough videos and it seemed like most battles were decided by turn one but still lasted another few turns just mopping up stragglers and items. Maybe the later areas won't have that problem
