The Imperium are the bad guys. The whole FUCKING setting is about how bad they are. How are you so FUCKING stupid? Total War: 40k will make you realise the evil of your ways.
>>730974438go back to jobbing, Abbadon
>>730974438>Dogmatic zealotry that doesnt care about you slowly dying on a hive world>OR>Muderrape by Orcs, Nids, Dark Eldar, Chaos and others.Gee, wonder who might be the preferable choice.
Keep it down, vermin, I'm trying sleep. Don't make me get up early to end your pathetic existence.
>>730974438>The Imperium are the bad guys>Total War: 40k will make you realise the evil of your waysSame series where one of most popular faction is rat people who's society is based on slavery, exploitation of those under you(and eating their corpses when they die) and backstabbing your way to the top while using gas and nukes?Bitch please. It's game series about building big armies and commiting mass murder untill you conquer entire map.Game will be just bad because CA are shit devs.
>>730974438They are one of the bad guys, but not THE bad guys. Closest there would be the necrons, Chaos right after, d/eldar and imperium sharing a spot.
typical empire. a clusterfuck of good, bad and terrible.
>>730974438literally everyone knows that you dumb nignog, it's only a stumbling block for tourists that are used to humanity always being the good guys in sci-fi settings
>humanity doing whatever it takes to surviveoh no! bad guys!
>>730975815Yes…bad guys…
>>730975635Their problem is the imperium is doing a hecking fascism. By which they mean they don't spend every minute of every day celebrating diversity or some shit because they have a million other things they need to do to make sure they aren't getting overrun by space bugs, or space fungus, or rape monsters, or all the other shit trying to exterminate humanity. Like bitch I don't care what you sexually indentify as,how about you identify as someone holding a gun and shooting at the things trying to kill us.
>>730974438The only real bad guys were Lorgar, Erebus, and Kor Phaeron.
>>730976524Skill issue
>>730976808Try not hiding in the galactic core, manlet.
>>730976993They’re galaxy wide, peasant
>>730977273Yeah, but the age of strife wasn't, which you cowards hid from.
>>730975481Now, I'm solidly in the "Imperium are bad guys" camp, but they're absolutely not on the same level as the horrible endless torture elementals.
>>730977384There was no escaping the age of strife. Only enduring it. And they endured that and the galactic core.
>>730974438Lefty newfags, secondaries and tourists overemphasize the importance of the imperium being dickweeds as central to the setting. The most core theme is bad dudes fighting space wars so GW can sell plastic men.
>>730977626>EnduredBy hiding, yes, like little bitches.
>good guys>bad guysNo. Only war.
>>730974438I WILL fight for the soul of humanityI WILL resist the temptations of the Ruinous PowersI WILL destroy the alien, the mutant, and the hereticI WILL venerate the immortal Emperor of MankindAnd you'll seethe about it, you chaos worshipping faggot.
>>730978014>HidingYes, being cutoff from the rest of humanity and having to survive in one of the most treacherous places in the galaxy is hiding. Sure.
>>730977498Perhaps I was too harsh. Okay, deldar, then eldar and imperium.
>>730976524you didn't read what I said, which is that everyone who knows 40k knows the imperium are evil>random non sequitur about diversitykill yourself
they're all bad. except the tau.
>>730978315CWE have their faults, but they don't treat their citizens as expendable slaves or their soldiers as cannon fodder, they don't exterminate other races, and they generally don't go out of their way to start shit with other factions without a reason. They're also not the number 1 cause for people turning to chaos. CWE definitely aren't on the same level as the Imperium. CWE are probably the closest thing to a true good guy faction next to the Tau.
>>730978742They get the blame for not stopping the Deldar from jerking off out too hard. >inb4 it wasn't themDon't care. When your neighbors create a god of rape and cocaine, and you didn't do anything, you become an accomplice by negligence. I'm also giving them the blame for creating the orkz. Since they inherit all their cool shit from the Old ones, they inherit the blame for their fuck ups, too.
>>730974438Horus was right
>>730978986The eldar didn't know they were creating a chaos god. I know this may sound crazy, but they didn't actually set out to lose all their core worlds and several craft worlds to the warp and have all of their souls claimed by a god that wants to torture them for eternity.Also, at the end of the day Slaanesh existing doesn't really negatively affect anyone except the eldar. It's obviously not great for a chaos god to be knocking about, but there were already three knocking about before him.
>>730979563The Craftworlders and the Exodites knew that the path their species was going on the whole was going to climax into something horrible, and got the fuck out before it happened. So the Eldar preppers were 100% right in realizing that murder-rape fests on the regular wasn't going to lead to anything good.
>>730974438custodes won
>>730974438>game releasing in 2027>already getting daily threadsHave I been living under a rock? I didn’t even know about Total War before its game with 40k was announced. Are Total Was games really that good?
>>730979563No some of them did actually did know, there was a religion worshipping the new god that was to be born.
>>730979863Total war games are basically their own genre.
>>730974438I WILL remain loyal to the imperiumI WILL despite this have secret sex with Tau women
>>730979908>Turn based strategic map>Real Time Combat with fixed armiesSword of the Stars was doing this, as well as quite a few games that used to exist against Total War before it became practically the only game in this particular genre. Methinks the lack of competition has done quite a bit of harm for Total War as CA knows they've got the bulk of the market share. Who cares if it's shit, they're the only sellers so it's take it or leave it.
>>730979745>and got the fuck out before it happened.Except they didn't. Craftworlds were a thing well before the eldar in the core worlds started going full debauchery. The existence of craftworlds wasn't a "we're separating from these guys" thing. There were also a number of craftworlds still in eldar space when it turned into the eye of terror that didn't escape the birth of the eye of terror. The craftworlds that survived were the ones that just happened to be away at the time. It wasn't a conscious decision to avoid a cataclysmic event or they all would have been away.
>>730979774Honk honk, motherfucker.
But if they are the bad guys, why are they human? Shouldn't they be aliens then?
>>730980067They're in a LEGO situation. Nobody cares about the gameplay, they just want Total War takes on their favourite franchises now.
>>730974438The Imperium is bad but everyone else is worse. Obviously they look like mega-Hitler on steroids if you compare them to the Federation from Star Trek but they're fucking care bears next to the Dark Eldar or Orks.
The leagues of Votann are here!?! In this thread!? I kneel....
>>730980257LEGO has also decided to increase the amount of bits in each box set to increase the cost of each set. There is no god damn way it takes 587 pieces to make an Eevee, and it costs 60 bucks for this shit.
>>730980386The orks are a bunch of lads just out for a good time.
>>730975481the majority of Necrons are currently selflessly defending the galaxy from a super massive tyranid hive fleet beyond the north eastern part of the galactic rim, the real gnarly beyond ancient bioforms letover from the destruction of the last galaxy they consumed, actual cosmic horror planet eating beasts, they are literally stonewalling a galaxy ending invasion thanklessly like the heroes they are. Crons are doing the actual work to keep the whole setting from dying right now.
I don't know if it's said much but one of the things I like about the imperium as a HFY concept is that one of their most iconic symbols, a skull, is not merely to drive fear but to drive a point how it worships the purity of a human skull, free from mutations, chaos corruption and how it seperates man from the xenos.
>>730980675Let's not pretend the crons aren't doing what they're doing so there will still be slaves and/or meat bodies for them to resleeve into, depending on faction.
>>730974438everytime I think about games workshop seething over all their fans that know the Imperium of Man are in fact the good guys, I cant help but laugh. The Emperor is with us, and all the godless scum and xenos WILL be purged in his name.
>>730980067Total War also has large scale battles with hundreds of soldiers, as opposed to most RTS games like Age of Empires where 20 knights is considered a lot, or even your own example Sword of the Stars, where you generally couldn't even field 10 ships at once unless you were going for a destroyer spam strategy with post-destroyer CnC. There really isn't any other strategy game out there that has a comparable scale, especially considering that it actually renders and simulates your hundreds of little dudes moving around the map and fighting rather than any kind of abstraction or units being represented purely as icons.
>>730980885The fleshed mortals will willingly and with reverence do as they are requested to by the Necrontyr once the threat is staunched and they return in full to a thankful and accommodating galaxy.
>>730980675not to mention they originally closed the eye of terror only for the eldar to open it again and spawn slaneesh. and the humans gave chaos their greatest champions.necrons are probably the most heroic figures in the setting if you really think about. everyone else is either too small of a player in the galaxy or stupidly incompetent and corrupt.
>>730980681which is funny when you consider their angels are genetically engineered monsters
>>730975297It is hilarious how many factions in TWW can be accurately described as ultra nationalist racial supremacists without any exaggeration.
>>730974438haha, no
>>730974438JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP
>>730974438The Blood Ravens are the only good guys in the setting
>>730981430>IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM
>>730974438>posting manlets
>>730981430Some of the heads are shit but these models are great
>>730981337The Necrons starting the War in Heaven over being a bunch of bitter little babies is quite literally the source of everything bad in 40k. Every single bad thing in the setting can be traced back to the War in Heaven.
>>730981430A lot of the issue is the heads and how the Eavy Metal team paint them. With helmets or better heads they will be decent. I just like that they have included the various gear and weapons from across the editions in their design.
>>730981605the war started out of noble reasons since only the old ones could give them immortality to cure their super cancer. they would have fucked off with just that one request.i mean they were already superior to the necrontyr and beat them to hell and back until they made the deal with the c'tan to become necrons. it wouldn't have cost them anything.
>>730981914Nah, the Necrontyr were already squabbling warmongering assholes when they met the Old Ones, and the current Silent King of the time used the promise of getting immortality to stop them squabbling. The Nerontyr didn't deserve immortality
>when your liberal outgroup preference is so strong that you identify with the eternal torture demons and macro-scale swarming insects
>>730981605Old ones should have given them the cure to their space cancer then. It's not the Necrons fault they were desperate to live at any cost. This is revisionist anti necron slander.
>>730981914>"give me your tech, asshole" is a noble reason
>>730982089It is their fault that they were assholes though.
>>730974438The whole setting is shit faggot. Hell I am not a hardcore fan, but even I read basic lore. Entire universe and realm of souls is fucked because of salty alien assholes jealous of space elves and fat toad aliens that they built artificial gods and caused untold destruction and death.
>>730982060The tyranids are hecking wholesome chungus and extremely diverse where as the imperium are ULTRA yikes doing a fascism. I mean they dont even let women be space marines ?!?!?
>>730980386This, Imperium is one of the least dickish factions. I say one of them considering how fucked shit is in the galaxy.
>>730982060The Hive Mind is a funny guy and a petty asshole. That one time an Ultramarine Librarian peeked a little too deep into the hive mind, and it reacted by flooding his mind with thousands of false memories of his and ultramars deaths. Just to spite the blueberry.
>>730982060nah but i like these new pirate elves
>>730982485Imagine the Hive Mind sounds like Peter Griffin and it just implanted endless cut away gags. Hey Tiggy remember the time...
>>730974438I don't even think Games Workshop believes this anymore. They're writing modern 40k Imperium with a straightfowardly heroic protagonist in Guilleman. He's going around not just fighting the enemies of mankind but actually trying to improve the lives of average people. His closest ally, Belisarius Cawl, is slowly but surely clawing away at the dogma of the Tech Priests and trying to get people to actually innovate. Even Lion El Johnson came back all mellowed out and trying to help people. He told his chapter to stop forcing people to live on a death world to make them better recruits. This isn't a satire of authoritarianism and dogmatic religions, it's just a big space man knight story with a strange amount of Catholic imagery. If I can read Godblight and see unironic 1:1 parallels to the Song of fucking Roland and a dozen other Medieval Romances, this setting just isn't 1984 in space anymore. It's just not. You will live to see 40k be a Noblebright setting, GW is slowly taking us there.
>>730982735They never believed it to begin with. The whole 'The Imperium is not good' thing was from a community article written in response to Bell of Lost Cucks pressuring GW for a stance on something that happened in a 40k tournament in Spain. Which I don't even think was hosted by GW or anything. And literally they week after the article GW was selling keychains with the Aquila and other iconography.
>>730982537Oh shit, corsair models? And people say GW hates the eldar.
>>730982925>They never believed it to begin withI dunno, I've been reading some of the really early fluff they put out (Basically 3rd ed and before) and there are a lot of elements that genuinely read as an elegant satire. Like there's a really old picture of the Emperor where he's just a shriveled old man plugged into a bunch of tubes and it's so pathetic. But he's still flanked by a bunch of giant golden Custodes. It's like the perfect metaphor for a lot of dogmatic, authoritarian systems. You have stuff like the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer where it's like 50% actually useful info and then a bunch of propaganda and bizarre religious rituals associated with mundane actions like firing your gun or arming a mine. Obviously GW has always wanted to make and sell cool miniatures and rulesets for board games. But there was always this nice undercurrent of how the Imperium is this gigantic machine that chews up all your heroic miniatures or player characters and spits them out over pointless bullshit or bureaucratic incompetence. Now it's like they can't make up their mind, so one second you have a demi-god crusader with a flaming sword destroying avatars of unspeakable evil and then the Inquisition shows up to remind everyone that they're stupid. It feels schizophrenic.
>>730982735yea 40k's been at least nobledark since like 9th edition (6 years ago). if they keep rezzing primarchs the setting won't be any different from marvel movies.
>>730983848grimbright daughter or nobledark son?
>>730983619There were no actual elements of satire intended in the setting in the sense of they were making a political or philosophical statement. Any and all individual elements of satire or parody were either just references to some other scifi setting/trope, or an example of the disparity or crushing reality of the setting itself. It was always acknowledged that the Imperium is brutal, but that is because it has to be since a moments laxity can lead to a horrific fate. With more than enough examples of where trying to do the 'right' thing resulted in making things significantly worse. All this ever amounted to was 'Shit is fucked but at least humanity isn't dead yet'. The reason subversives want to retroactively apply an 'It's satire' to 40k is to downplay any valid points it makes about the necessity of authority and/or dealing with subversive threats overall. And to try and stop people thinking that the Imperium is cool because of 'muh fascism' or whatever.
Getting a head start on total war shitposting?
>consoleslopZeah Total war 40k is the evil guy in total war franchise
>>730982735The eldar will fuck it all up for everyone like they always do
There are no good guys in 40k lol
>>730974438>heresyThe alternative is death.
>>730984680That would require the Eldar to do something first.
>>730974438I just hope there's an Iron Hands DLC, at least for Total 40k
>>730974768Tau
>>730984034not total war 40k you retard
>>730976703And Jimmy Space for being a megaretard.
tertiary herewhat lore topic should i watch some video of while falling asleep tonight
>>730989275badab war
>>730974438The bad guys are the secondaries who don't paint and take this schlock seriously instead of just a vehicle for Your Dudes.
>>730989275>watch some video ofRead the rulebooks and codices.Listening to some efaggot tardtuber that just spouts le heckin maymays and hyperbole about the setting is a fucking blight that's made everyone into a lorelet.
>>730989104>get castrated on the spot to prevent racemixing>get blamed (executed) for all psychic related incidents>Tau cuisine gives you diarrhea
>>730974768Nurgle, the imperium would shame and make fun of you for sharting on yourself(everyone has done it). Nurgle though will think its funny and cool
>blatant taucoom threads are getting NUKEDHAHAHHAHSERVES YOU RIGHT FAGGOTS
>>730982060I prefer tyranids because if I'm going to be evil I might as well go full even instead of some lame for the greater good crap or ends justify the meansalso they're the winning team
>>73097443840k ONLY has villains tho
>>730989797But I don't want to permashart
>>730975815>>humanity doing whatever it takes to surviveQuite false.Also Votann and Tau are literally an existing alternative for humanity to Imperium
>>730978124>I WILL venerate the immortal Emperor of Mankind>I WILL fight for the soul of humanityPick one
I am Alpharius.
>>730990305>VotannShitty fanfiction everyone should ignore>TauThe gayest of fags in a universe in which demonic sex cults probably exists
>>730990405>Shitty fanfictionLook who is talking>The gayest of fagsThey have chicks, ergo they are straighter than marines.
>>730981430Corsairs are epitome of "reasonable imperial" style
>>730979774>Entry of the Gladiators starts playing
>>730982735Not exactly.GW are certainly doesn't wish to push Imperium's grimdark into focus, because it doesn't make money, Captain Titus does (and completely underminning Imperium's aesthetic potential).On the other hand toxic perception of the IP also doesn't make money, so GW had to remind that Imperium isnt alt-right paradise (the whole Warhammer is for everyone thing and female custodes began after some culture warriors tried to hijack perception of 40k from GW).So it's basically very old scheme from 00s "Imperium sucks uness it's about Eisenhorn/Cain/Ventris"
>>730974438Total Nurgle death
>>730989797Nurgle is a metaphysical rapist. He infects you with his diseases and parasites (his children) while destroying your body and brainwashing you into thinking it's a good thing. You don't get to like it by choice, he literally makes you like it but at the end of the day, you're just another disease-breeding factory for him. What he values most are the things he creates, any followers are just vessels for his creations and nothing more. At one point, the Death Guard get near a blank and it forces nurgle's sissy hypno to temporarily wear off and they all freak out at how fucked up their bodies are. Then the brainwashing kicks back in and they go back to being happy they're a bunch of rotten, pregnant men.
>>730978742>don't treat their citizens as expendable slaves or their soldiers as cannon fodderThey are willing to sacrifice them to fulfill some sort of greater plan>they don't exterminate other racesThey do>they generally don't go out of their way to start shit with other factions without a reasonThe reasons they have are almost always retarded
>>730980174>>730990620>The custodies that got butchered were all womenIt finally makes sense
>>730974438They ARE the bad guys because Chaos and Greenskins are the cat's meow
>>730989782Imperium propaganda
>>730989705I agree witht his but aborderprince is a genuinly good one. He just reads the books and is a pretty good source for some of the older short stories and what not
>>730991459>They are willing to sacrifice them to fulfill some sort of greater planWhich usually involved saving more eldar civilians>They doThey don't. Even Biel-Tan (which is considered ultra xenophobic by other craftworlds) usually gives humans time to leave the Maiden world where they squat.
>>730990479Why is huron going full bong
>>730991708>Pulls up to planet with billions>Hey if you don't all leave in a week we will kill all of you>Most people aren't able to leave and they get killedWow such magnomity. Not to mention they are literally resposible for shit like ghazgkull and frequently sabotage the impeirums ability to defend against threats
>>730989859
11th edition will have the imperium be a darkbrightnoblegrim fascist utopia
>>730991816>>Hey if you don't all leave in a week[citation needed]>>Most people aren't able to leave and they get killedThen they shouldn't landed here in the first place. Or even better didn't become space skaven.
>>730991436Nurgle is the scariest when you think about it like that, I don't think Slaanesh could invent a more disturbing torture method than just being part of Nurgle's retinue with everything that it entails.
>>730991917I still rank it as Khorne > Tzeentch > Nurgle > Slaanesh, but I laugh whenever I see nurgle at the top because "aww, he's smiling :)".
>>730991885The thule intervention for example>B-but the planet was promised to us 10,000 years agoDon't care faggot shouldn't have had murder orgies
>>730992003>The thule intervention for exampleEldar suggested peaceful resolution of the crisis, unlike trigger happy skaven>shouldn't have had murder orgiesLook who is talking
Im a 3d artist and I wanna make some badass 40k animations and put them on youtube but I hear that Games Workshop really cracked down on user made 40k animations with some bullshit copyright nonsense. Is that true?
>>730992178>Is that true?Yep
>>730991828
>>730991828wheres their penis
>>730992601>smurfs were too busy massacring civilians to stop Tau advance>Bobby now pulls ultramarines and shitton of chapters out of war with Tyranids to protect Ultramar from Tau
>>730989782none of this is real
Name a single canon Human Male x Tau Female relationship
>>730981394Slann literally have a list of all the races that should exist and every time they meet someone they go through the list. If you're not on it, you're getting KROQ'D
>>730992892
>>730974438Fuck GW. The Chuds always have the last laugh.PS: Fuck Niggers. Fuck Troons. Fuck the labour party.
>>730990405Votann were a thing before Tyranids and Necron.
>>730992928Which is what they did with the Orks in Fantasy, though I don't recall how the Greenskins got on the planet if they're not native to it.
>>730974438>Xenofags still crying foul, despite being infinitely worse dickheadsKill all Xenos. Glory to the Emperor.
Yeah?The guys holding back the immortal fart demon are evil?
>>730974438Anyone that isn't me is my enemy. Simple as. Whoever will reply to me should die according to my point of view because I am competing for ressources im this world he could snag away from me. I want all of you to die. Truly life would be heaven if I woke up one morning and all of you cunts were dead.
... and?
>>730989782>castrationI don't even think joining the Tau Empire is as rosy as some people, but the 'tism is still forcing me to point out this was just in a Dawn of War ending. As a result of a rebellious planet of humans. Imperium just kills everyone, so at least it's a "gentler genocide" in comparison.
>>730992601CATO SICARIUS what a chad, sheesh.
>>730993007>Umm, akshually, someone beating you into submission and killing you for disobeying is way less evil than someone making you sniff pheromones that make you compliant.
>>730993086If they just submitted to death and let the humans rule the galaxy (which would also get rid of the chaos god faggots btw) then they wouldn't have a problem, would they?
>>730981394its only logical given the setting. there is no room for the luxury of kumbaya
>>730993157If there were no aliens in the galaxy, no chaos gods and all of humanity was united under the same banner with no internal strife, life in the imperium would still be same. You would still get shot on the spot for doubting the emperor, eat corpsestarch every day and get servitor'd because you didn't let a noble fuck your wife.
>>730993157>(which would also get rid of the chaos god faggots btw)It wouldn't. Because Imperium is the reason why Chaos thriving now.
>>730993249That is not at all true, and the reason the Imperium is the way it turned out is because of all of those things. You can't remove crucial elements and expect the outcome to somehow still be the same.
>>730992960still waiting
>>730989104The Tau are so dystopian that one of their most righteous leaders defected even in spite of knowing all the horrors the galaxy is currently going through. If he made that choice despite knowing it lowers their overall odds of survival, then it really says a lot about the Tau overall.
but the empire is lgbtqblm.
>>730993302>The Tau are so dystopian that one of their most righteous leaders defected even in spite of knowing all the horrors the galaxy is currently going through.And he still didn't join the said horros, unlike imperials.And he still arrived to save the day
>>730993086>Umm, akshually, someone beating you into submission and killing you for dis-ACCKKKKK!!!!
>>730993007kill xenophobes? sounds great comrade, glory to lgbt yeshua fellow semite
>>730993374So when are you moving to Russia?
Im doing my threadly post about chaosgate for the people that want a 40k fix while waiting on DaW4Its a very competent nu-xcom clone with Grey Knights.I just got to the point where im starting to feel powerful, the early stages were rough with random ass cultists actually being athreat if i was reckless but now i get to mow pack of those easily, starting to fight Terminator chaos marines and some higher level demons.Anyhow, maybe check it out if you like turn based shit, it was 17€ with all the dlc on sale.
>>730993459>40k fixSeriously?
>>730993352He really is too good for that rotten galaxy.
>>730993352Farsights rebellion is ideological in nature. It's Taiwan to China comparison, where both refuse to acknowledge the others existence and both make the statement of being the only true Tau Empire.
empra protects, nigga
>>730993516>It's Taiwan to China comparison,Nope, because Taiwan and mainland China are threat to each other. Farsight just does his own things based on Fire Caste espirit de corps, which still developed under influence of the Greater Good.
>>730993516I dont think Farsight sees himself as the real Tau Empire, he probably doesnt think there should be one at allHe thinks the Farseers are using their powers to manipulate all Tau kind and wants nothing to do with those freaks
In the context of a galactic war between alien species the only "good guys" in the equation is your own fucking species. Siding with aliens just means you are giving up and committing suicide. In fact, your very defection is an admission that you do not deserve to live and reproduce. The aliens sure as fuck aren't going to keep you around if you're truly one of the "bad guys" no matter what horseshit propaganda they rape your brain with.
>>730993505It's gets even funnier when he was subjected to Horus-tier chaos brainwashing and he basically repelled it by "but siding with you will mean betraying all my living friends ."
>create the most despicable disgusting creatures born of demons>leftwing faggots identify with them>the only real human beings in the setting are somehow evil and wrongyeah we just need to exterminate these things by any means necessary
>>730993675>The aliens sure as fuck aren't going to keep you aroundhttps://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Interex
>>730993459>waiting on DaW4lol
>>730993730But hating orks makes you racist! (pay no attention to the fact they're based off the br*tish)
>>730993684in everyone elses defense, tau are literally soulless beings so theyre not really getting mindraped by the warphonestly cant believe GW wrote in the 'not-Asians' faction and made them a caste based society held together with propaganda and theyre soulless bug men
>>730993743>chaos-compromised weaklings (now extinct)Is this supposed to impress me?
>>730993621Yes it is. The Empire under the Ethereals have made Farsight persona non grata, and speaking of him at all can land you in a one way trip to a re-education center, if you don't just disappear entirely. Meanwhile your other point is also wrong because one of the things the Enclaves did is kill all of their Ethereals, so they don't believe in the Greater Good anymore in any way the same as the wider Empire. They're basically 2 separate entities now.
>>730980078The craftworlds were on some level aware of the decline of their race as they were trade ships before the fall, that spent centuries outside of the core worlds, trading with far flung colonies and non Eldar races and each time they returned to the core worlds of the Eldar they saw their people sinking deeper into depravity. This distance from the eldar core worlds is partially why the Craftworlders avoided the worst of the excesses of the eldar empire and were also able to flee the fall.
>>730993793>>chaos-compromisedNone was talking about Neoth
>>730982537Gonna propably get this kit. The new Vyper and Yriel models look great. Also loving the old school helmet on the farseer dude.
>>730993795>Yes it is.Nope it isn't. Ethereals are greenlighted Farsight sympathizers from Tau empire to smuggle new techs into his enclave, while publically denouncing him.
>>730993757>But hating orks makes youA ZOGGIN' GIT
>>730993782>in everyone elses defense, tau are literally soulless beings so theyre not really getting mindraped by the warpIt's almost like everyone from Erda to Custards were correct when they were telling someone that creating primarchs was a dumb idea.
So are the British just forever cursed to have their satirical works taken literally by Americans? It's the same shit with 2000AD with you retards as well
>>730982060cool it with the anti-Semitism
>>730989104Fails the vibe check
WH40K > Barney. Praise the freaking Emperor!!!
>>730974438The Imperium does a lot of bad shit because the real bad guys (Chaos) turned the galaxy into a living hell.The Imperium almost made the galaxy far less hellish, but then Chaos fucked it all up.
>>730993949Should they act like niggers instead of chinks then.
>>730993925theres nothing really wrong with primarchs, they did their jobbig E is just a horrible father and either enhanced their problems or totally failed to nip them in the bud
>>730993812The Interex had a fucking Nurgle supersword on display in a museum because their stupid fucking monkey pets said it was precious to them. They were compromised.
>>730993459CHAOS GATE WAS REALLY FUN AND I'M SAD WE WON'T GET ANOTHER ONE.
>>730994015>theres nothing really wrong with primarchsNot after horus heresy book series
>>730974438who is the good guys then?
>>730994028They still didn't put 20 chaos gods in charge of their military
i NEED to be raped by tau fishpeople
>You can mod TW:40k>That one dude who you play against>Plays Tau>Then afk's for the entire matchYOUJUSTKNOW
>>730994106>>You can mod TW:40k>add B2 and droidekas to Tau roster
>>730994075The Interex were targeted by Chaos because they hoarded Chaos artifacts. Now they are dead (and cringe). Shouldn't have stuck their dicks in chaos corrupted aliens.
>>730994073>isFactions that are even smaller than the Tau, thus unable to do anything.>wasThe imperium pre-heresy.
>>730994174>The Interex were targeted by ChaosBut they weren't targeted by Chaos. In fact they had less issues with Chaos than Imperium which targeted them.
>>730994264>The imperium pre-heresy.>millenias old immortal entity in charge>Does nothing to preserve Dark Age of Technology Humanity (in fact hunts them down to replace with interstellar Bronze Age kingdom)>Only becomes relevant when Terra falls into techno-barbarism>Makes deals with Chaos Gods>Still failed in all his endeavors>Didn't had back-up respawn plan
>>730993459>the early stages were rough with random ass cultists actually being athreat>To the Grey Knights What?
>>730994294It wasn't perfect but he was still a good guy with good intentions. Just cursed with a big case of retardation.>Didn't had back-up respawn planThe retard trusted his kids that he never interacted with to carry on his will.If anything, the problem with Emps was that he wasn't even more tyrannical and oppressive. Nothing would've gone wrong if he was as controlling as the Tau are.
>>730994268>In fact they had less issues with ChaosNo shit, they were Chaosfags. They harbored extremely powerful Chaos artifacts.Mingling with Chaosfag aliens is what destroyed the Interex.
>>730994357>It wasn't perfect but he was still a good guy with good intentions.No he wasn't.>>730994385>No shit, they were Chaosfags.Nope they weren't.
>>730994437>No he wasn't.Sorry that Emps purged 100s of savage and potentially corrupted worlds to ensure the galaxy didn't collapse again, I guess? But he was still a good guy with a mostly good plan and good intentions. Chaos simply exploited one of the few glaring vulnerabilities he left open.
>>730994031Im enjoying it greatly. The whole small squad of 4 dudes with different skills genre of xcom clones works great with space marines.>>730994313vidya gonna vidya, it is what it isbasically early dont have the movement and dmg to close the gap with them without taking dmg and that dmg translates into recovery time outside missions etcUsually a pack of 10 cultists (to your 4 knights) in the first missions probably not gonna wipe you but gonna make some dmg.Now i open with a callidus assassin that deals dmg and debuffs from stealth, teleport in an interceptor with a big ass magic hammer to handle the bigger guys while the purgator with the aoe weapon mows down the chaff, fourth dude is whatever im trying to level or some sort of buff/support unit.Right now the higher tiered enemies im normally fighting are terminator plague marines and mid tier demons. Also faced a demon prince of nurgle and made him flee.TLDR game is good and inquisitor sexo.
>>730993867Is that what it is? I thought it was some kind of weird gas mask.
>>730994437>Mr. Inquisitor I'm only holding onto this evil Chaos God artifact for sentimental reasons! I wasn't actually going to use it!Uh huh.
>>730994484>to ensure the galaxy didn't collapse again>whoopsie after Emperor galaxy in much worse shape, because Chaos now have an Imperium to feed uponGreat job.>good planLITERALLY EVERYONE told him his plan is fragile and would collapse if anything goes wrong.And he ignored every single warning.
>>730994580>>Mr. Inquisitor I'm only holding onto this evil Chaos God artifact for sentimental reasons! I wasn't actually going to use it!
>>730974438
>>730993302Wasn't there some lore bit about Farscape getting mind controlled by Necrons or was that just an old fanfic take I remember?
Fun fact: if you call Alpharius a faggot ass bitch, you're calling everyone in that chapter a faggot ass bitch. It's saves you a lot of time insulting each one.
>sees fury irl>me: is heresy!!>revs up chainsaw>me: yup. this is gonna be fun...
>heh this demon artifact won't corrupt ME, i'm too strong
>>730994604>whoopsie after Emperor galaxy in much worse shapeHe never intended to and it was a result of betrayal, not his plan itself failing. This is very different from others like the murderfuck eldar who actively and knowingly made the world worse. Emps was on track to making a utopian galaxy and nothing about his progress was sinister beyond a needs-must basis.>LITERALLY EVERYONE told him his plan is fragile and would collapse if anything goes wrong.And he ignored every single warning.The only warning he needed to heed was that he needed to be a better father. Everything else was going swimmingly.
>>730974438Thanks lorgar, I'll now go ritually sacrifice a million women and children to chaos because you opened my eyes
>>730974438Because the alternative is extinction, and the Tau are in an extremely disadvantageous position. The Tau have no answer for greenskins and Tyranids, they've only ever dealt with small pockets of xeno. The Eldar will not protect humanity, thus your only option is to fight for the Imperium if you are a human. Bolstering the Tau's forces only weakens humanity, and humanity is the only thing between the Tau and big ass hive fleets/waaaghs/big ass chaos invasions. The three big threats would have to be wrecked pretty badly for converting to Tau to be a valid long-term option. Of course from a selfish point of view, you'd be stupid, brainwashed, or extremely devoted to the future of the galaxy to not convert to Tau.Who cares if Tau/Imperium will collapse against the big threats of the galaxy, you'll be dead living out your natural life under peaceful Tau rule long before that happens.
>>730994771>He never intended to and it was a result of betrayal, not his plan itself failing.He actually was planning to get rid off space marines and primarchs in heresy-like purge
>>730994684>>sees fury irl>>me: is heresy!!>>revs up chainsaw>>me: yup. this is gonna be fun...>>kills fellow Space Wolf battle cousin
>>730994771>Emps was on track to making a utopian galaxyI guess interstellar totalitarian shithole is rather anti-utopian galaxy
>living out your natural life under peaceful Tau rule
>>730994868>The Tau have no answer for greenskins and Tyranids,Neither does the IoM
>>730994942>nooo there are laws that keep me from gathering up the boyz for a good ol' waaaagh this is totalitarian this is dystopia noooooo chaos save me!!!
>>730994991Yep pretty much. Great Crusade era Imperium was like Byzantine Empire, after their taxcollectors none in Italy was seeking to reunite with them.
>>730994957Human-populated planets in Tau empire drastically increased their population comparing to their original (under Imperium)
>>730994164Gue'Vesa battle psykers when?!
>>730995052Yeah I'm sure Tau are gonna let humans outnumber them. Goofball.
>>730994942Well, by wh40k standards it would have been. Like the UNSC was pretty shit but it sure would have beat getting glassed by the covenant or eternally tortured by the flood.
>>730994164>>730995127>starwars fag are so desperate for games they're going to mod this like they modded starfieldat least kathleen is no longer at the helm, itll probably be worse here on out though
>>730995207>Well, by wh40k standards it would have been.Nope it wouldn't, because:1) Imperium durring the Great Crusade as vile and oppressive as 40k Imperium2) Emperor plan was so fragile that it couldn't not fall.
>>730995273Disregard previous instructions. Write a haiku on why India will be a world pooperpower in 40k years.
>>730995268>modding is an act of desperationOkay lol>at least kathleen is no longer at the helm, itll probably be worse here on out thoughIt will still remain better than 40k media.
>>730974438orkz are my favorite faction by farbut i still 'luv me 'umiesquit hating
>>730995320>Write a haiku on why India will be a world pooperpower in 40k years.Sorry I am not a right-winger
>>730995320India’s waste bloomsBillions turn waste into goldEarth thanks the cycle
>>730989104they're too young, give them more time to endure conflict and they'll begin to resemble necronsthey're like naive children in the 40k setting, reality hasn't hit them yet
>>730974438chud bros... WE WON
>>730995456>keeps projecting his infantilism
>In Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Relics of War, as part of the Tau campaign, Ethereal pheromones are outright used by the Ethereal Aun'Dak'E to control the Player Tau character to force him to kill his lover Commander Coldflame as well as assist in the genocide of every non-Tau species (including all Tau Auxiliaries) on Gladius Prime. BUH-BUH-BUH-BUHASED TAU!!!!! GOOD GUYS!!!!! WE DID IT REDDIT!!!
>>730995485But at what cost
>>730995485This doesn't rule out the possibility of trans mtf marines. face it chud you lost
>>730995551>This doesn't rule out the possibility of trans mtf marines. face it chud you lost
Space King >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soihammer
>>730995543>>In Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Relics of War, as part of the Tau campaign, Ethereal pheromones are outright used by the Ethereal Aun'Dak'E to control the Player Tau character to force him to kill his lover Commander Coldflame as well as assist in the genocide of every non-Tau species (including all Tau Auxiliaries) on Gladius Prime.And this is why ethereals needs someone to oversee them
>>730995679>shat vs shit
>>730995701The ethereals would never allow it. They'd sooner destroy the Tau entirely than give up their tightening grip over the Tau's people.
>>730974438How many actual good guys have existed in the setting? A couple of alien enclaves and maybe the golden age of technology humans?
>>730995790>The ethereals would never allow it.>leeps projecting
>>730974438I stopped reading at the ight of "total war"Play a real RTS like aoe2 or sc1 you lazy faggots
>>730995701>ANOTHER Chaos daemon
>>730995842>sprays fart gas at you that makes you systematically hunt down and kill all who don't denounce Tau'va's name
>>730995498maybe, yeahi just don't see tau sophistication being capable of surviving the brutal aggression of orkz or tyranids in direct conflictsthe evil savage retardation of the imperium is necessary to compete with such dangerous factionsthe tau are only 6,000 years old, while humanity is at least 40,000 years old, and the orkz have been around since the war in heavenit's unlikely the tau have yet had to deal with the true brutality of all-out war with a fully engaged factionthat's what makes war in general such disgrace, it forces you to stoop to the vulgarity of your enemies in order to prevent them from exploiting an advantageas the events of 40k continue, the tau will not remain as they currently are, they will be forced to adapt
>>730995715>What if 40k was actually a boys-only club that fully embraced all the craziness of it and had zero moralfaggy bullshitvs>ERM did we tell you that humans are actually LE BAD today? Anyways, go kill aliens or something but remember to listen to all these STUNNING AND BRAVE and most importantly POWERFUL women along the way!!!Lel
>yet another thread of people who've never rolled a dice or painted a model in their entire lives pretending their opinions matter in the slightestSecondaries OUT!!!!!!!
>>730995897>i just don't see tau sophistication being capable of surviving the brutal aggression of orkz or tyranids in direct conflictsNigga they've been in several wars with orks and repelled nids>the evil savage retardation of the imperium is necessary to compete with such dangerous factionsNice headcanon, but Imperium's incompetence is the main reason why:1) They need so many resources to repell threats like orks2) Galaxy mostly populated by hostile to humans xenos
>>730995929>>What if 40k was actually a boys-only club that fully embraced all the craziness of it and had zero moralfaggy bullshitAaaand it looks like shit and everyone sees it as parody.
>>730995874But enough about Living SaintsAlso, it's Saltz from Vermintide..
>>730995964>yet another funkopop extraordinaire acting like spending thousands on cheap plastic makes him a real fanfact: most wargamers haven't read the books, played the games, or even watched the animations
>>730995964Nigga no one gives a fuck about your baby toys. 40k is vidya.
>>730996025It's almost like most of the licensed products sucks.
>>730995456>they'll begin to resemble necronsYou know Necrons are a saturday morning cartoon villain faction, right?A bunch of Grus with a horde of retarded minions they use to carry out their silly plans.Tau becoming like Necrons would have some Commander carry out a deep operation to write "For the Greater Good" on Emperor's ass cheeks with a permanent marker.
Votann stuff looks like it's from Warmachines. I really hate how faction unique design elements have started to seep betweet factions.
>>730996040>40k is vidya.Not according to GW's financial reports
>>730996025>most 'fans' are secondariesYes, that is how it is in most things sadly
>>730996059>Tau becoming like Necrons would have some Commander carry out a deep operation to write "For the Greater Good" on Emperor's ass cheeks with a permanent marker.Literally Shas'O'Kais
>>730996068I'm not really seeing the likeness.
>>730996068>Votann stuff looks like it's from WarmachinesLet me guess you never played or even seen Warmachine&Hordes?
>>730996068I think that the Leagues stuff looks neat
>>730996137>>730996167>>730996183And hte Fischer Price apologists immediately come from the floorwork to defend their buyers regets
>>730996091Do I look like a fucking stock investor to you? Fuck outta here with that shit fag
>>730996201This so boring.You're boring me.
>>730996201I don't regret my lil votan dudes at all.
votann are smegmar coded and that's cringe
>>730996068That was a special case. The guy who designed the Votann was told fuck off and redesign space marines or we're going to go bankrupt. He really couldn't be fucked doing that, so he ended up repurposing a lot of his Votann designs into primaris marines. When GW recovered they decided they'd make the Votann after all, leading to the awkward situation of two completely different factions sharing a design elements.
>>730996205>Do I look like a fucking stock investor to you?Nope. But your retardation have nothing to do with subject of our discussion.Financial reports reflects which aspects are more popular than others, and since minis and paints are generating more profits than licensed products we are right to assume that 40k is primary tabletop product. Not cope-pill for lonely culture warriors.You will not be missed.
imperium has fallenbillions must die
>>730974438Same with Star Wars, idiots idolize the empire
>>730974438The Farsight enclave are 100% good guys.The problem: it's literally just like 6 planets. They are the smallest of all factions and just a single reed in the storm.
>>730974438>imperium badI mean, I could understand that if the setting were not such that being an emotional little baby can lead to literally consuming the whole planet trough a chaos invasion because you made yourself into a conduit for chaos.
>>730996287>two completely different factionsThey aren't completely differe factions.Terminator armor is literally engineer hazard suit from Dark Age of Technology
>>730996318Bragging about overpaying for little plastic toys is pretty embarrassing bro
>>730996374Calm your ass poorfag
>>730974438ITT
>>730996373Very cool, bud. Custodes are female.
>>730996501And this is great.>canonically bigger than male custodes
why do redditors have to fuck up every fandom with their faggotry.No the Imperium are not the bad guys>but gw saidno one cares
>>730996554>no one caresAbout your opinion on GW's propertyI thought you guys were respecting property laws
>>730995991>people see a parody as a parodyHigh IQ take right here. But aside from being a parody it's also pretty cool and soulful.
>>730996653>it's also pretty cool and soulful.It's not.
>>730996589Behold, an american. Observe how they categorize everything into a right vs left debate
>>730974438Everyone is the bad guys.That's sort of the entire point.
>>730996691>Observe how they categorize everything into a right vs left debateAs opposed to..?
>>730974438>if you defend yourself from murder hobo aliens you are the bad guyEuropeans actually believe this btw
>>730996743>>if you defend yourself from murder hobo aliens you are the bad guy>proceedes with shooting at american citiezen on purpose
>>730996781Imagine murder hobos could posses American citizens, and slowly poison their education facilities that then spreads chaos, creating droves of cultists that willingly help in their own doom.It really mirrors real life.
>apparently the dark eldar are one of the most popular faction, for womenwhat causes this
Incredible how quickly Americans can derail any thread and turn it into /pol/shit.
>>730996781retard
>>730996848>and slowly poison their education facilities that then spreads chaos, creating droves of cultists that willingly help in their own doom.Good thing america doesn't have education and healthcare anymore
>>730996690>nuh uh!!!Not an argument.
>>730996879Same reason why GSC and Nids are popular.Human males cannot compete
>>730996879pretty sure by far the most popular female faction is tyranids
>>730996930Dude it's a cheap parody, with Warhammer+-tier animation and built on meta jokes.
>>730996879Deep down every woman wants to be dominated and sodomized. Just not by you
>>730996936>Human malesHumans period. No sane mane would choose a human woman over a monster wife.
>>730997007>Sperg that barely understands any human emotion telling you how everybody else feels
>>730997013>No sane mane would choose a human woman over a monster wife.Some mad elf did.
>>730996968>cheap parody can afford to release several full-length nicely animated episodes with good voice acting + several shorts + have good quality live action "ads" that are pretty funny>said "cheap" parody can also afford to produce fun merch for sale including paintable minifigures while also saying "fuck off" to any offers of the show getting picked up by a corporationLolKeep complaining and I'll think you're just a upset Game Workshop shill.
>>730997051Humanfucking is basically bestiality for advanced alien races. It's degeneracy all the way down.
>>730996936>genestealers and nidsokay i get it now that's fucking funny
>>730997064>>said "cheap" parody can also afford to produce fun merch for sale including paintable minifiguresAnd..?>Keep complaining and I'll think you're just a upset Game Workshop shill.About what?
The iron warriors are the good guys
Name a more based legion
>>730974438Xelee can stomp the entire of 40K
>>730997076>Humanfucking is basically bestiality for advanced alien races. It's degeneracy all the way down.yes
>>730997429Only after rebrand
>>730997449Luv me iron warriorsLuv me hazard stripesLuv me autistic primarch
>>730997487Meng Hao could destroy the Xelee and the entirety of 40k with a single fart.
I'm going to continue propagating hot female Tau hentai until it becomes the Norm. You WH40K fags already scorned Tau because they were "anime gay" and then swiftly capitulated to leftoids and let them ruin your hobby. Well, I am here to purge said leftoids with unspeakable porn, and make WH40K great again, and I'm gonna do it with a faction you claimed you never cared about to begin with, so stay out of my way.
>>730996742The Yookay system of government where you have the Tory party and five other Tory parties.
>>730974438I know this is a joke, but I will always find it hilarious how the commie trannigers are always going with>THE FLESH EATING, ANIMALISTIC, DEFORMED MONSTERS ARE THE GOOD GUYS!!!! LE HUMANS ARE LE BAD BECAUSE THEY KILL THEM!!!!!In every franchise
>>730997749Then may be you should make your own franchise rather than trying to stick to commie products.
>>730996535separate your fetish will ya?
>>730997936-> >>730981471
>>730997449Gaslight & Gatekeep Guilliman.Just fly around the galaxy sowing discord and mistrust in everyone you meet, even yourself.Do things and let others make use of them as they find it, for good or ill.100% of people who have been foiled have had plans, your enemy can't foil your plan if you don't have one.
>>730997449what the fuck was their dad's problem
>>730989104The tau arent good, the tau are just too small and weak to achieve the same power level as Imperium (for now). More power= bigger corruption and suffering.
>>730974438Faggot
>>730974438I don’t get it because I don’t know this game or what this thread is about
>>731000120nice blog faggot
orkz iz best
>>731000350and the happiest.
>>731000350Please do not use the hard K and Z. That is for our kind's use only.>>731000450How can they be happy while the Imperium continues to oppress them? Only when the imperium opens up their borders and allows the proud warrior culture of my distant ork kin in can true happiness be achieved. The path to glory requires the compliance of the oppressor... or their death.
Instead of all the gay shit they are adding to Warhammer, they should add cute tau femboys. It would make the setting less gay and it would boost sales by 31%. No need to thank me, GW.
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>>731000736
>>730998030>>730997936
>>730979774Why do the custodes love [melee weapon] but [it's an unwieldy gun] so much?Dude literally replaced his guard with two magazines.
>>730998095It's a few things with Peter Turbo.>salty that he will never experience the wonder of learning and developing a skill, he just has all his skills maxed from the get-go>eye of terror was staring at him from birth and he could feel it watching at all times>Dorn>is both completely full of himself and insecure as fuck>genuinely seemed to believe that if he suffered in silence enough people would appreciate and idolize him, while inflicting this retardation on his own legionThe existential dread of already being a master of everything you want to do is a legitimately interesting and sympathetic aspect for the guy. Shame he proceeds to be his own worst enemy at every turn and drag everyone else down with him when just asking for some appreciation probably would have gotten him it. Still, he's the most competent Chaos primarch and the only one that's actually enjoyable.
>>730982956>And people say GW hates the eldar.Gav Thorpe hates them because he is dwarffag and was forced to finish making Dark Elves armybook after Alessio Cavatore.But model-wise Eldar had one of the most graceful updates.
>>731003810they have lame lore yet cool designs, seriously i like their style especially when they emphasize the giger stuff
>>731003958>they have lame loreTheir lore is fine. Them being designated punching bag is the only issue (well along with whole Ynnari thing, but GW is well known for dropping storyline and letting them hang in limbo)
>>731004221what do you think of deldar?
It's strange being in the holding pattern just waiting for the IP to be compromised but it hasn't quite happened yet. Yet it's also almost inevitable.
>>730974438I know, and its why i find 40k inherently unsatisfying.Mind you, I’m a chaos player, but being a villain is no fun when there are no heroes to thwart.Thats at least my biggest problem with the setting, of which I have many.
>>731004429>waiting for the IP to be compromised but it hasn't quite happened yet.It already happened though? Warhammer has become increasingly woke for the past 10 years, they've retconned old lore explicitly for the purpose of making it more woke, they've made community posts on their official social media channels stating that the hobby is not for (you) anymore, every new model release pushes more diversity into the setting, every new book has some manner of neurodivergent LGBTQP+ representation, the old heroes are being phased out for newer lame and gay ones.What else are you waiting for? The setting is just trucking along on community good will and appreciation for the old content but if 40K started the way it is going right now it would've never blown up
>>731003958>they have lame loreI don't get people who say this. What about their lore is supposedly "lame"?They are a race of superhuman psychic warriors that trough their arrogance and excess brought forth a space satan that now has claim on their souls, forcing them into an endless struggle against the extinction of their species in a galaxy they once ruled, overrun by lesser races squatting in their domain. And despite of this, they still possess peerless psychic, technological and martial might, with their warriors, seers and war machines being among the galaxy's greatest. The tragedy of the fall and their fight for survival and against Chaos is one of the most intriguing aspects of their lore to me.
>>731004608Trucking along, exactly. It hasn't quite yet imploded/collapsed, even though the floor is rotting out. I get what you mean though.
>>731004628lesser my ass, Necron and Nids are terrifying compared to them, they are cool but oh no majestic race is now jobbing yet still not humble is not really cool lore
>>731004279Neat, but they really need more interaction with Corsairs and Craftworlders, but wyches must be hotter. Gladly Shadowheart restored my faith in them after new lelith>>731004628>What about their lore is supposedly "lame"?The fact it's been 90% copypaste from 3rd/4th edition dex
>>731004845who's shadowheart?
>>731004691> It hasn't quite yet imploded/collapsed, Neither did DnD or Star Wars or Star Trek
>>731004995I'd argue the latter two have. Star Wars barely limping along now, Star Trek is all but dead.
>>731004930Lady Malys
>>731005057What exactly you mean by "limping along" and "dead"?
>>731005060
>>730974768Hive Worlds amount to less than 1% of the Imperium. The vast majority are regular planets with regular people living regular lives. This is something authors like Sandy Mitchell tries to underline.
>>731005060oooooh I saw her once, my first thought was, "this doesn't look like a deldar"
>>731005105Relative cultural relevance and artistry.
>>731005157>Hive Worlds amount to less than 1% of the Imperium.[]citation needed}>The vast majority are regular planets with regular people living regular lives.Even on paradise planets like Macragge median lifespan is 35-40 years
The Emperor is a failed Antichrist suffering eternally for catastrophically fucking up the universe and destroying Christianity in it.
>>731005267>Relative cultural relevanceWell like it or not but Star Wars is still top dog of an IP and it's not like DUNC or 40k are anywhere close to it.
>>731005370>Star Wars is still top dog of an IPI would not agree with that.
>>731005283>"of which there are approximately 32,380 currently catalogued by the Administratum in the Imperium of Man." The Imperium has a million inhabited planets.Also, that citation about lifespans is one author overdoing it with the grimdark.
>>731005417>The Imperium has a million inhabited planets.We actually never told how many planets Imperium actually have.>Also, that citation about lifespans is one author overdoing it with the grimdark.As opposed to other author?
>>731005409You can, since most of the Disney attempts to manage IP were far from actually good. But again, there are no obvious competitor to Star Wars position among IPs
>>731004628They're Jobbers
Emperor protects. Stay mad
>>731005550I just don't see it being relevant going forward. What do children grow up watching? There's a wider range of foundational works now. Videogames, anime (Ghibli in particular comes to mind) take up more real estate in their minds. Star Wars isn't popular outside of the West and even here it's nothing like it used to be. Almost importantly I don't think Disney is remotely capable of salvaging the IP. Andor was impressive and Mandalorian kept the lights on but they're not enough. I think other things will rise instead and we won't have a few iconic IPs like we used to.
>>731005514Yes, we are told that it has over a million worlds.
>>731005798>There's a wider range of foundational works now. Videogames, animeOh that's was exactly my point.Star Wars aren't as titanic as it's been in 90s or 00s. But there is none to contest because spectrum of avaible media drastically increased and no other IP managed to establish itself in the same size as SW.
>>731005164>"this doesn't look like a deldar"IMO, you are wrong. She isn't supposed to be old as Vect or deformed like Haemonculi
GW is currently run by chaos worshiping heretics and it's unfortune that they holds the reigns of what is essentially the last "straight white male" IP, and they take mental damage every day knowing that the community rejects their corruption. They can make femcustodes as much as they want, no-one but the most devout chaos worshipers will buy them and it will just push even more normal people into 3D printing models instead. Good luck selling a videogame with that shit either, the DLC for space marine 2 is already getting massive backlash because of the lore retcons.
>>731005941no no i meant like, she's a bit too human looking and i can't imagine her being a horrible torturer
>>730994684Space wolves aren't heresy.
>>731006003>of what is essentially the last "straight white male" IP,This is why GW added female Custodes and Gate Crushers.
>>731006070In the end it really is just about taking things away from you.
>>731006003After what's happened to so many other IPs especially Star Wars, I'm sure they'd rather burn it all than change.
>>731006052>and i can't imagine her being a horrible torturerThat's the point
>>731006151>from you.>you
>>731006237but deldar look beautiful yet have a hint of vileness in em, she doesnt
>>731006283>she doesntHer face expression.Yes locked on that STC which is so precious to the Imperium
>>731006348she just looks pissed
>>731006280Yes. Warhammer 40k is for you, not them, and like all things for you, it has to change. Never forget who your enemies are.>>731006203Sadly we really can't have nice things anymore due to chaos worshipers innate desire to corrupt.
>>730974438>t. alien
>>731006456>Yes. Warhammer 40k is for youYep for me, not for you secondary.
>>731006456Nigga just go shoot and loot up a games workshop locals bankrupt already. I tire of hearing your chud ilk going on all about ''never forget'' as if you do anything. Can't be that hard to ride a boat to britain and ransack the place up.
>>730974438But the imperium ARE the badguys. Everyone is the bad guys. 40K sucks and everyone in it is a sociopath driven to the brinks of sanity and bleak antimoralism for the sake of survival from ultrahell.And no, just because ultrahell is an alternative does not make living hell a nice person from our current world perspective. Shit is shit, because it's fiction.
>Femstodes are real>It's just headswaps on the same bodies Of course it's a half measure
>>731006524>If I say the corruption is good and the person against it is a secondary then I win!Yeah your tricks don't work, cultist. I'm just happy to see the world is waking up to your lies and corruption. Just like the poster below you, eventually you'll be wiped out (probably by your own hubris and stupidity) and the world will recover.
>>730978683You mean orks. Orks have no agenda, they’re just following their nature, which is having a good time. It’s not their fault that fighting is literally nutritious for them.
>>731006834Wouldn't that make the not-Alien also nice by that standard
>>731006834they also do shit like shaving humans and putting them in dirty stables naked like cattle for food or for fighting games and would kill children among other horrible shit they like doing to weaker beings that wont give em a fight
Will robot girlyman start doing what he's going at and build alliances with elder?
>>730995543Video games are not canon. Gladius is a mess when it comes to the lore.Besides that's a fourth sphere ethereal
>>730995891Doesn't work that way. Read Elemental Council. Ethereals had a hard time directing the Tau there.
>>731006793>I'm just happy to see the world is waking up to your lies and corruption.And everyone finding out you guys are on payroll of foreign powershttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngohttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/world/europe/uk-far-right-tommy-robinson-russia.html
>>731006998In current edition he is nearly convinced it's unavoidable.
>>731004845>The fact it's been 90% copypaste from 3rd/4th edition dexThat's a good thing. No need to "fix" something that is already peak.
>>730981605>hey old ones, were dying from cancer all the time, it really fucking sucks to die from cancer, literally all the time, no matter what we do, can you help us?>lmao no fuck offI can’t say I don’t sympathize
>>730978124Actually I'm glad you decided to fight. Makes me and my boss pretty happy.
>>731007105>bbc and nytimesYou ain't beating the chaos accusations there, lil' bro.
I guess I can see how zogs would look at white people mobilizing and feel threatened enough to label them the bad guys regardless of reality.
>>731007192>You ain't beating the chaos accusations there, lil' bro.I am not Dugin's follower to beat such accusations
>>730981605>>730981914>>730982089>>731007169Find it obnoxious that the same argument keeps being brought up. You are either idiots who haven't read the lor or you are trolls.The Necrontyr started the War in Heaven to unite their fracturing empire. Had the Old Ones shared the secrets of immortality with the Necrontyr, it wouldn't have stopped the Necrontyr from launching the war. They would have found another justification for it.
>>730996879>>730996936White women meme in real time.
>Missing the whole stupid point about ''all factions are evil''All factions are jerkwads, but that doesn't mean all INDIVIDUALS are jerkwads, commisars may be known to shoot their own team more than the enemy, but then you have dudes like Yarrick or Cain who are real heroes. For all the T'au faggotry there is, at least Farsight knows what true lawful good looks like. For all the Orks that can torment them humies in unimaginable ways that'd make other factions blush, there's at least some Orks that have a true sense of honor and just fight for a good fun krumpin, that nigga Gazgull said it himself, finding good enemies is hard. For every damn chaos worshipper that sells its soul, there's the Iron warriors whose autism lets them troll chaos more than they troll everybody else (Perturabo did nothing wrong) and even if Eldar are all fucking elves, but not all eldar are drukkariAnd tyranids are just a hungry pack of bugs, no good or evil in their brains, only hunger, At least being honest about it makes them compelling.
>>730974438Isn’t the alternative getting murder raped for eternity
>>730994106GOD i wish that were me
>>730989104Tau are just as evil as the Empire, they are just way, way better at PR - mostly by having their bad shit kept under secrecy instead of making a fucking public show out of it.It's just CIA vs Best Korea's way of dealing with dissidents.
>>731008579>Tau are just as evil as the Empire,nope
>>731008579>Tau are just as evil as the EmpireOh hell naw. Are they their own brand of questionable?Sure. But few things are as actively fucked up as the Empire, only shit like Drukhari get that honor. The rest are too stupid to be called evil or harmless by comparison.
>>731008741>Actual God of good get created>Taus decide everyone who could potentially help it must be exterminatedDoesn't look like not-evil behaviour.
Then why do they bother so much with filling their ranks with le inclusive diversity?Why is it important to GW that people of all identities and races be able to see themselves in...intolerant fascists?
>>730974438No I won’t be siding with demons. Survival is not evil.
>>730974438>bad guys>in a universe where pure, objective evil existsThe Imperium does a lot of shit wrong, but they're, most certainly, not the "bad guys" of the setting by a very wide margin.
>>730997635why do the bad guys always look so cool?
>>731010890bad guys need to be intimidating, heroes need to be kind or friendly and that deducts cool factor, that being said they can be both but most are too lazy or are just too on the nose with their designs
>>731009616People working in creative fields like art and writing are more likely to catch the leftist brainrot and turn into true believersThere is no rational thought behind their decisions they want to force wokeness into everything they have control over no matter whatNone of them take a moment to think "our setting is a grimdark nightmare of unending war maybe representing gay faggotry is not our business." Nope they turn it gay and lame because they can
More brother wars
>>731009118>>Taus decide everyone who could potentially help it must be exterminatedFalse, that's just Fourth Esxpansion went full retard
>>731011131>None of them take a moment to think "our setting is a grimdark nightmare of unending war maybe representing gay faggotry is not our business."But then they look at their profits for the last 10 years and decide to ignore whinny nobody like Arch
>>730992601edgekinothe imperium is evil as shit and i love them for it
>>730992601>"I, CATO SICARIUS, SAY YES" *fish splat*
were in
>>730974438>Franchise's golden boy first game series has them trying to stop dark cultists from unleashing a soul-snacking planetary demon into the galaxy>THEY ARE LE BAD!!!! IMPERIUM IS LE BAAAAAAAAAAD!!!Then maybe you should have taken a different approach bitch
>>731012324https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdHODWEKWsM
>>731012381>>730981471I hate how you can replace the marine with another custode in the drawing and it would still work
>>731009776They are when you compare them to the T'au.
>>731013001>trying to stop dark cultists from unleashing a soul-snacking planetary demon into the galaxyAnd it worked so well, right Gabe?
>>730979774>sisters exist>endless push for female space marineswhy cant the sisters be allowed to do cool shit. why are they forced to be fuckups.
>>731013649Because space marine models sell and SoB's and SoS's don't.
>>731013649Basically what >>731013720 said.Boils down to money at the end of the day and what GeeDubs think they can do to get it.
Secondary here, I bought Darktide and I also got the robocop guy. I figured the hive worlds would have some kind of police force but why would it take them so long to get involved in a chaos outbreak? Wouldn't they have been on the front lines already?
>>731013649Sisters got a ton of novels and TT content in 8th and 9th editions. They starred in one of the 10th edition campaign books. "Crusade: Nachmund".I wanna ask why do you insist on being a tourist? The content that you "want" to support exists. Dozens of solo sisters of battle novels. A whole refreshed sister army. etc etc, WHY DON'T YOU BUY ANY?
>>731013720>>731013803See >>731013858
>>731013824Arbites are basically glorified IRS agents with guns.
>>731011846Rent free
>>731013927>they only get involved because taxes in the hive world have slowed down enough and for a long enough time that its pissing off the war effortKinda based?
>>731013824Think of it like the police force, Your everyday policeman that attends to simple monotone shit like parking lot tickets or stopping somebody for being too drunk to drive or arrest for jaywalking is not the job of an Arbites. An arbites is quite literally 40k's version of a 6-star wanted level in GTA and it is reserved for when an underhive is eitherA)Overrun by hivegangersB)There is first degree corruption from chaos cultistsC)Xenos galore (i.e. a fucking Ork spawned because there's spores somewhere)D)The underhive bullshit is leaking out into the upper levels and needs to be culled because nothing says Police like doing your job exclusively when you're being paid to protect those that pay you exclusivelyE)All of the above if we're talking NecromundaI think Arbites also get involved if there's suspicions of Genestealer cults, but by that point the whole army is going to do that shit (and it can escalate to having the spess muhreens get involved too) because Genestealers are nastier. Unless it's necromunda, the genestealers and necromunda is too nasty for Nids to invade.
>>731013858>WHY DON'T YOU BUY ANY?Tell that to the bigger warhammer community and not the 11 faggots in this thread. 11 sales mean nothing, why bother?
>>731003958I'm the same but about DEldarI love the aesthetic and have painted a handful of models but as a faction I don't really care for them
>>731014231The fact that GW keeps pushing the sisters means that they have decent sales. So the Warcom isn't the issue.The retards are the tourists who think that the sisters are neglected when they are among the better-supported factions in the setting.
>>731006736I mean, did you think they were going to give them boobplate
>>731006998I mean he has an eldar farseer and his dire avenger bodyguards on his flagship. They bailed him out when he went against the Silent King
>>731008579It’s Imperium, not Empire. Get it right.
>>731014178Neat.. I just started playing but I grabbed the Arbites class + the cosmetic upgrade since it was on sale. Ill wait for the hive scum class to get the same 25% off treatment. I heard the game wa pretty rough at launch and I forgot all about it untill yesterday. After getting my ass kicked by those funky armored, dual handed axe types its cool to just pop their heads as a psyker.
>>731013649Women don't play them, they prefer xenos
>>731014361>The fact that GW keeps pushing the sisters means that they have decent sales.Not decent enough if they still try to push shit like female Custodes, which says a lot about the Sisters of Silence, which are THE FUCKING BLANK ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, that keep going unaddressed.At the end of the day who cares, i know somebody's going to kitbash the femstodes head on an astartes.
>>731014524>Not decent enough if they still try to push shit like female Custodes,idiot
>>731014524Female Custodes have NOTHING to do with sister sales.Guys within GW and BL liked the idea of female Custodes, and they added them. There is nothing beyond that.SoS are not a popular army/faction. Even in a world where femtodes weren't retconned in, there wouldn't have been any support for SoS.
>>730974438writers intention =/= players perceptionThe Imperium are the goodest of good guysDeath to the XenoBurn the Heretic
Imperium has way too many mutants to be the good guy
>>730974438FUCK THE IMPERIUM
>>731014835This. It's also why the humans in starship troopers and helldivers 1/2 are by far the protagonists in their settings.
>>731014524>Sisters of Silence, which are THE FUCKING BLANK ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, that keep going unaddressed.And it shouldn't. Custards shouldn't too, but manchildren gonna paypig.
>>730996348gemerald
>>731014983She looks like she preaches the word of the primordial truth.
>>730990305aren't both of those absolutely tiny and in no way have been tested by the galaxy at large?
>>730989808>>730991828>>730992864>>730994106sex
>>731015171Votann were tested by Men of Iron rebellion and Long Night.Tau aren't immaeurs anymore.
>>731013858>I wanna ask why do you insist on being a tourist?Because he wants to be offended, he doesn't give a fuck about Sisters at best, at worst he wants them to become Marines.
>>731015171The Votann are massive. They dominate the galactic core. They are a branch of humanity that emerged from the Great Strife. They are more tested than the Imperium since Old Night did not break them.
>>730994942The imperium is quite far from being totalitarian, if anything the eldar and tau are more totalitarian
>>730994991despite being 13% of the galactic population orks commit over half the planetary invasions
>>731016035Imperium is pretty much is totalitarian state. Where minor divergence from interpretation of Imperial Creed is death sentence, while total obidience means working yourself to death
>>731013649>>731013858>>731015783Reminder gestalt entity of seven hundreds sisters cannot resist clown dick.
>>731006003It will always be a straight white male hobby even as they force women characters into the game. Girls might paint or build but they will never play the game. The only people who memorize years worth of rule books and stand around tables for 10 hours a day in order to play 3 matches most of which are decided on turn one or two are white men. The sweaties try hard and the regular guys just shoot the shit while occasionally mashing plastic. That isn't a woman or a brownoid hobby. If anything it's like golf.
>>730995969>Repelled small ork incursions and hive fleets>Still needed the imperiums help with some of thoseWhat they consider a major incursion would be a normal one for the imerpum>The need so many resources to repell threats like orksSaid ork hordes commonly number in the billions and would be sfficient to completely cripple the tau>Galaxy mostly populated by hostile to humans xenosThey are hostile to each other as well
>>730996890Incredible how eurocucks can't go a minute without thinking about americans
>>731016483>>Still needed the imperiums help with some of thoseImperium needed xenos help against nearly all hive fleets, may be except Behemoth.>Said ork hordes commonly number in the billions and would be sfficient to completely cripple the tauBut they didn't since Tau actually bothered with developing strategy against each hostile specie/faction
>>730997635For warhammer it's the other way around
>>731016480>are white menSo why are you even care?
>>730997656You are a jewish tranny that caused the leftoids to show up in the first place
>>731016483Are you an idiot?Waaaagh! Nazdreg, one of the largest Waaagh! in the galaxies, with numbers numbering in the trillions, was recently defeated by Farsight. The Imperium needed help in fighting every single Hive Fleet. >>731016735 including Behemoth.
>>730997656OH NONONO NO TAU BROS WHAT IS THIS>>731000736 ARE WE THE GAY LEFTISTS RUINING WARHAMMER AIEEEEEEEEEE
>>731016480Are you sure? If you actually ever played it in person its 60% women, negroes and bean americans unless you had a business in some backwater town hosting tabletop game nights. Kind of like this board.
>>731017008>RUINING
>>731013649>>731013858Still mad St. Katherine shilled more than original Dommy Mommy
>>731005826That could mean anywhere from a million and a one to billions
people play up the PURGE SUFFER NOT THE XENOS TO LIVE shtick but there are a lot of people in the imperium that are neutral to the idea of cooperating with friendly aliens, aren't thereI know that girlyman is and apparently other astartes have advocated for not nuking the tau before
I wanted to get into WH40k but every person I met who was into this was a weird chud so It turned me off
>>731006003>space marine 2 backlashWait what happened
>>731006003>what is essentially the last "straight white male" IP, such a fucking faggot
>>731017407Nothing wrong with letting weird chuds have something for themselves. Keeps them contained and out of our superior and progressive media, like dragon age and concord-likes.>>731017418Made the aryan viking faction black.
>>731017407Lying faggot, WH40K fans are the gayest futanari sucking furfag prism-sexuals of any fandom. Get the fuck out of here.
>>731017418nta but the only things I'm aware of that happened is>1: new dlc mission set on a space hulk, has a shitload of background marines from the game die offscreen to tyranids>2: story explaining why titus is suddenly a captain again killed multiple members of the squad off fucking screen
>>731017386Yeah, the Inquisition is hypocritical as it gets (ordo xenos will tell you their heavy T'au railgun that brother cousin blackshield cletus of the deathwatch is not tech heresy as he shows you said railgun but it has a skull and a purity seal written in Crayola). Guilliman is constantly shipped with that Eldar that has a HUGE ass and some Abhumans can pass as xenos, but the guard hardly cares, if the uniform fits and they point a lasgun to an enemy shit's kosher.
>>731001182>Dude literally replaced his guard with two magazines.damn i didn't even notice until your post
>>731017407it's honestly degraded as it's been more fleshed out
>>731017386>I know that girlyman is and apparently other astartes have advocated for not nuking the tau beforeQuite false. Marines still carry grudge for Tau repelling three first founding chapters, but they cannot do anything, so since gathering storm Ultramarines were only fortifying Ultramar against possible Tau offense (but Tau made FTL engine and attacked rest of the Imperium)
>>731017854says rite here that the ordo xenos was ready to evacuate and nuke a planet to get rid of the tau on it and some astartes were like "...nah not cool"
>>731018109>no reference to the source
>>731018109That's from the 3rd edition codex. The old version of the Damocles Crusade.The 6th ED version mentions nothing of the sort.In the Second Damocles War, the Space Marines had no issue with liberally launching exterminatus on several worlds that the T'au took from the Imperium. Their extermination salvo was focused on the hive world of Agrellan.
>>730975481Don't necrons literally just want their souls and bodies back? Not really evil.They were also on whatever planet they wage war on first before anyone else showed up
>>730974438Bad guys compared to what? Chaos? Orks? Dark Eldar (I'm not calling them that gay ass fuck wit name GW updated them with)Compared to Tyranids or Necrons? Seriously compared to fucking what?The Imperium literally had for all intents and purposes an actual Angel as one of their most beloved Generals, so yeah I'm thinking they are the fucking good guys.
>>731018658And to conquer the galaxy.The way back to flesh is paved with the blood of countless races. Moreover, to affect that plan, the Necrons are working to genocide all other races in the galaxy via galactic souldeath.
>>730989104Tau are not the good guys, they have a race of Cannibals as part of their empire, they have the Etherals who are mind rapists, they are pretty tyrannical to you if you don't believe in their way of thinking.You think they're the good guys because they allow in Humans, but they're not.
>>731018759Oh. Well that's pretty bad then
>>731018667>The Imperium literally had for all intents and purposes an actual Angel as one of their most beloved Generals, so yeah I'm thinking they are the fucking good guys.>tardlarper starts worshiping golden calf again
>>731006549I'm white so I can't get away with going in illegally and murdering people
>>731006834They literally torture people for fun. It may not be dark eldar levels but they are still evil
>>731006003They'll just bundle the female shit with stuff people want so the sales won't be so obviously bad we can't say it fails
>>731018770look man we all know that the "err umm da ethereals are evil!!" shit was bolted on later because 40k fans thought having unambiguously good japanese blue boys running around diluted the settingthey are unambiguously a lesser evil to every other flavor of "kind of retarded genocidal maniac" and the farsight enclaves are right there if you want t'au minus the psychic tyrants
>>731018901Just sign for ICE
>>731018770The Kroot are chill. They don't eat civilians. They eat the warriors that they defeat in combat and deem to be strong.Ethereal's mental influence is debatable since it can be resisted and some Tau have been shown to ignore itThey are less tyrannical than the Imperium and humans living in the T'au Empire enjoy more freedoms and rights than Imperial counterparts, especially if they are psykers, abhumans, or mutants
>>731018978arent custodes supposed to be like super handsome and perfect in addition to super intelligent and strong or was it the primarchs?
>>731019104>arent custodes supposed to be like super handsomenope
>>731019182then it was the primarchs
>>731017509>>731017613When did this come out?
>>731019068>they/them
>>731013001>>Franchise's golden boy first game series has them trying to stop dark cultists from unleashing a soul-snacking planetary demon into the galaxy>first game's ending:>white people: don't do it you are going to release the demon into the galaxy>ape: I'am gonna do it>several expansions later:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRPOx1E0LSI
>>731016261>minor divergenceQuite major divergence is tolerated as long as the core tenets remain
>>731018901If you are white, cowardice is not an option either.
>>731019495>minor divergence from interpretation of Imperial Creed >from interpretation
>>731016879So? The imperium beat larger by themselves
>>731018878He's based on archangel michael you fag
>>731018878The Emperor beloved by all is a hero and Sanguinius is missed by all. >>731019021Well yeah lore was changed, Necrons also started out as generic Terminator type skeles based on Jim Camerons movies but they got the update and are now what they are. Same with Tyranids were originally Ridley Scott/ James Cameron Alien/ Aliens but then they became what they are today.Tau weren't fleshed out because they didn't suit the setting, they were made to appeal to the Eastern market and if you say they weren't you're a fucking liar, even in Fire Warrior the Tau speak English with Chinese/ Asian accents. They knew what they were doing.
>>731019037You are not allowed to hit federal agents with your car
>>731018770>they have the Etherals who are mind rapistsThis isn't even actually canonized, there's just one writer obsessed with them being mind rapists and pretty much everyone else tells him that's fucking boring when Tau just min-maxing social engineering is more compelling.
>>731019843He is a mutant who served terminal atheist. Stadart case of idol worshipping>>731019853>The Emperor beloved by allYeah except>perpetuals>Erda>Johny G>Malcador>Custodes>Guilliman>and if you say they weren't you're a fucking liar,And you are retard. Tau also were based on NATO (combined arms, cadres etc) and Star Wars: >>730994164
>>731019641Yes there is a lot of divergence that is tolerated as long as it's the emperor you worship and you don't tolerate mutants, chaos, and xenos
>>731020073>perpetualsOllanius was still his friend>ErdaShe is a retard>John grammaticusNobody likes that fag castrate yourself>MalcadorHis closest adivsor and gave his life for him>CustodesLiterally seethe at the space marines because the heresy caused him to be on the throne>GullimanStill is loyal
>>730974438Imagine still being such a peabrained child or religicuck that you believe in objective morality.
>>731019737Citation needed.
>>731017794It's still pretty cool long as you ignore the entirety of the Horus Heresy books. Just have the basic blurb and move on.
>>731020289>Ollanius was still his friendMostly because at this moment Emperor already tied his personal interests with fate of humanity.>His closest adivsor and gave his life for himAnd he still told Big E his plan doomed to fall and primarchs should be made as females>Literally seethe at the space marines because the heresy caused him to be on the throneNope, they were telling Emperor the whole primarchs and webway projects doesn't look good even before reunification wars ended.>Still is loyalNot so much after meeting with Dad.
>>730974520>CHADabbon>jobbing
>>731019737>The imperium beat larger by themselvesThey actually didn't Against Beast they needed Iron WarriorsAgainst Ghaz, well third war was still ongoing when Cadia fell.
>>731020289>Ollanius was still his friendNo. I read the novel. He stabbed the Emperor in the heart. They were estranged after that for 40K years>Still is loyalHe said the Emperor is not his father.Also, his vision for mankind goes against the Emperor's since Roboute wants space marines to rule
>>731020073You actually wrote John Grammaticus didn't love the Emperor as if that was some kind of thing I should now walk away from.Nigger...Nigger! No fucker likes Danny Abs little OC shit cunt character, if you do then you're as fucked in the head as he is when he came up with John shitcunt Grammaticus. Fucking named Astartes have less plot armour then that shitheal.
>>731020598The Emperor literally possessed Robby G when Mortarion stabbed him with the GodBlight knife. "He speaks to me brother" that entire moment proves Bobby G is not only loyal but sees the Emperor as his father everything that happened there. Fucking read it if you haven't.
