>>730993323
It was followed up by three way better games

Hamburger Helper and William Wallace.

The gameplay is shit
the writing is impressive to betamales. Same with every bioware game

>>730993323
The sequels.

>Second game was made/released during the time EA truly started to take over Bioware's process, in which they tried to casualize everything to appeal to a mainstream audience while rushing out an unfinished product that was never really intended to be a full sequel
>Inquisition tried to jump into next gen with an open world and fancier graphics, but created one of the worst open worlds ever made, completely screwed over any graphical improvements with hilariously bad animations, gave you obnoxious characters and tedious management mechanics, all of which was made worse by most original Bioware staff being gone
>Veilguard basically was made by an entirely new dev despite being still labeled as Bioware, in which it tried to casualize things even further, doubled down on horrific writing/boring characters, and basically gave up on trying to be anything beyond an action game with very light RPG elements

TL;DR They made Origins which was good but showed signs of EA's influence, then everything jumped off a cliff from there.

>>730993323
lack of class variety (only 3 classes for the entire franchise is absolutely criminal)
boring itemization
too many of "those sections" (The Fade and Deep Roads, though I don't hate the deep roads as much as the fade)
important lore companion day one DLC
generally buggy PC release

it's babies first fantasy CRPG, almost entirely carried by character writing and the world building.

>>730993323
The game was only saved by mods especially in the character look department and I am tired of people pretending Vanilla was great.

THIS IS THE NEW SHIT

>>730993370
The last one was the best one. It was so good, it can't even be topped. Like, the entire team quit after it released, because you just can't do better than this.

>>730993604
It has genuinely some of the worst armor designs in any WRPG.

went full woke. true believers create dull games, music, movies. whatever. goes for chuddies too.

>>730993323
Nothing. Best one in the franchise.

I'M ONLY HUMAN
AFTER ALL

>>730993594
>important lore companion day one DLC
That's a technically correct, but disingenuous way of describing it.

Fuck it I'll replay origins again, its been 5 years since my last run.

>>730993323
bad gameplay, should went with full action or full turn based, this tactical mmo with pause shit fucking sucks

nothing, it's perfect

>>730995164
Medium medium-heavy armors look decent.

>>730993323
What DID go wrong? It's the only good Dragon Age to my knowledge. It did drag on at the mage academy, but good game otherwise through and through. Longest run is 70+ hours. Never finished.
Morrigan is my waifu and mine alone, everyone stay back!

>>730995778
From what I remember, the series is cursed because every installment had a new director (or some other lead person) who completely disagreed with what Dragon Age should be with the previous one.

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>>730995778
>Morrigan is my waifu
you can keep that crazy bitch, i prefer my princess Leliana

>>730993380
Hamburger Helper wrote some good modules for L5R, I guess she must have drunk the Kool aid in between.

>>730995836
Such miscommunication is sure to end in a bad game everytime.
>>730996328
Oddly enough, I missed her at the inn on my first run and didn't have her as a companion.
Morrigan still mogs her, though. Nice try.

>>730993323
It was actually pretty good. Most contrarian faggots and parrots forget that DA came durning some RPG drought especially in times when more darker tones were non-existent
elves and dwarves having an actual culture and tradition and not being short/knife ears humans living udnerground/on trees was fun. Magic being more akin to a curse than a blessing too. Enemy that's mix of udnead and zombie plague was made before zombie fatigue. It was fun to play and I like coming back to it
DA2 had potential. Onyl thing I enjoyed was interaction with companions. The constant same zones and over the top combat felt like a romcom but again, corporate hands fucked it pretty ahrd, forcing them to release a unfinished game to farm as much money as possible
DAI to this day I can't get past first mission after founding inquisition. it's just that boring. And everything looks like drenched in oil and sweat. DA faggotguard I didn't even try and I prefer to pretend it doesn't exist

>>730993323
Exploration and traveling was dull also bioware's system of pick and choose "roleplaying" Instead of genuine freedom..

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>>730993781
>Like, the entire team quit after it released, because you just can't do better than this.
kek

>>730993323
it's not turn-based like Divinity and BG3. RTwP combat filters the fuck outta me in 2026.

>>730995419
>wanted to rewatch that Andromeda video
>the montage at the end got muted because the music was claimed
I'm tired of this shit.

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>>730993323
bioware just didn't have "it", they were a licensed game producer that couldn't produce games without the license holder tard wrangling them

dragon age was MEANT to be something like a dnd game with a hundred page manual of complexity for the characters, but instead THIS IS THE NEW SHIT *BLOOD EVERYWHERE* became its tagline and style
it's as airheaded and empty as any of their nwn campaigns, along with "dude lotr was so cool, we need a scene with a huge enemy army too" that they clung to all the way back to e3 2004 and appeared to be their prideful centerpiece that was only relevant for 5 minutes


props to the dwarf noble-orzammar storyline though, it was about the only thing they did with gray dispositions that worked

>>730993594
>lack of class variety (only 3 classes for the entire franchise is absolutely criminal)
Retard.
>too many of "those sections" (The Fade and Deep Roads, though I don't hate the deep roads as much as the fade)
True
>generally buggy PC release
I don't know, I wasn't there for it.

>>731000843
Classtards are the worst. DnD fucking ruined rpgs.

>>730993323
fake choices, simplistic combat

>>731000891
>D&D
>the only reason vidya RPGs even exist
>ruined vidya RPGs
Don't call others retarded when you are a retard.

>>731001039
a smart person wouldn't for the bait, anon

>>730993323
With Origins? The fact that it has a massive memory leak problem to this day on PC.
Also that the fan community never really caught on. There isn’t much in the way of additional content mods.

>>731001039
Sure anon, RPG games wouldn't come into being if not for DnD, sure, maybe you should follow your own advice.

>>730993323
that one dude betryed the king

>>730993323
Dialogue check simulator
Play Gothic instead

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I bet the fags at Bioware felt really smart when they wrote the dialogue. everything leading to the same outcome, but implying that the outcome would be completely different if you chose other options

>>730993323
I can tell you the problem with 2, you couldn't romance your sister.

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>>731000891
Agree, classes are just features in a trench coat, it truly is a plague on modern cRPGs

Anon look at the game with 3 classes and automatically assume that there are only three playstyles to play, it's like a horse with blinders.

In Origins they call it classes (again because of classtards who can't understand the world outside of the lens of DnD) but it's just three playstyles:

>combatant
>specialists
>arcane user

You can create a healing mage, or a elementalist mage, or a shapeshifter mage or an Arcane Warrior, or a Berseker or a Archer or a Close-Combat Duelist, a Vanguard warrior a Ranger with a pet, a Bard and more.

Hell, I wonder if Origins actually don't have more customization than Wrath of the Righteous that tricks retards like you with Hundreds of Different names for different classes that all play the fucking 5 same templates.

Origins is pretty cheap on GOG... im tempted

>>730993323
busted ass PC port with each update. somehow they fucked up so badly that the only versions worth playing are the ones ported to consoles.

>>730993323
Origins was good, but after that, everything that could go wrong went wrong.

>>731001779
I actually enjoyed arcane warrior, even if initially it was painful due to lack of stats and mana

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>>731001167
What if?

>>731002162
It's the best payoff of all classes, a little too OP though.

>>730993323
shitty rtwp combat
excellent writing, some of the best companion banter in gaming
story overall thought felt like it was trying to be too edgy, “this ain’t your DADS fantasy”
now almost unplayable on modern hardware because BioWare is incompetent

>>731002485
>a little too op
It's absurdly too op even on highest difficulty with abiltiy to adjust for anything in basically same turn. But on the other side you need to play at higher difficulty in the first place to notice the diffirence in power

>>731002562
>shitty rtwp combat
Shitty taste

>>731002876
Even the few people who like rtwp combat never bring up dao as a good rendition of it.

>>730993323
Only one game in the series of Dragon Age Origins. Also weird lame spinoff series called just dragon age with only bad entries.

>>730993370
great bait mate

>>730993323
Mass Effect has RUINED Bioware and future RPGs.

>>730999680
I miss that short period of time when EA made specialized logos for their games. coincidentally it was the only time when they published good games

>>731003073
Wrong. I know because I'm part of the endless debates we have on /v/ whenever the topic comes up.
In fact, FFXII and DAO should've been the building block for RTwP games but developing TB is way easier and cheaper for devs.
I'm hoping they'll finally pull off something good with Greedfall II.
RTwP is tragic story of unrealized potential.

>>731003246
TB is easier, cheaper, more fun, more popular, and better represents the strength of role playing games. The only reason you’d stick to rtwp is if you have some weird hangup about your games being too ‘gamey’, and wanting to court the action gamer audience, which is what the whole industry was going through in the late 2000s. That is why there is so much “unrealized potential” as you say…no developer actually cared about the system, it was just a marketing gimmick meant to broaden their audience.
The only place I see for rtwp in today’s industry is as nostalgia-bait, but even then it didn’t work out too well for the crpg revivals pitted on that premise…which all switched to turn based.

>>730993323
they didnt get the call of duty audience

rtwp was born from the need to make turn based combat appeal low attention span retards

>>730997012
She also wrote the dwarf lore, aka the best part of the setting. Yet for some reason, later writers seemed to think everyone wanted to hear about those dumbass elves even more.

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>>730993323
EA didn't fall in love with it like they did with Mass Effect, so instead, the series became a dumping ground for every bad idea EA wanted to try.
>Let's see if RPGs can become annual releases like FIFA
>Let's see if we can make an RPG on the fucking Frostbite engine
>Let's see if we can cobble together a functioning game from a project that was cancelled and restarted twice in a single production period

>>730997012
>she must have drunk the Kool aid in between
Many such cases. Patrick Weekes also had a fantasy writing career spanning to 1990s fantasy magazines and was responsible for good stuff in original Dragon Age and contributions to other classic Bioware games. Then he just became lame and gay, his takes on writing nowadays are literally hysterical tumblr fanfic girl tier and it is visible as hell in Veilguard. Also the guy is like 50 and living a "non-binary" midlife crisis.

>>731003579
If you want to use these retarded, overused, and deboonked (but unironically) takes you can go and get your ass kicked with all the other TBfags in the following thread >>>/vrpg/3894771

>>731003579
>>731003692
Fuck it's really you again TB schizo, it's getting easier to spot you.

>>731003928
Every game in the DA franchise is so extremely different from each other it’s ridiculous. At least Mass Effect has the same general tone and structure throughout the trilogy, even if the plot got more stupid.

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>>731004054
What a strange and embarrassing post.
>please click my obvious shitposting thread!
No.

>>731003928
According to David Gaider the EA execs blatantly said that they already got the "nerds" locked down because the "nerds" will buy it anyways since it is a fantasy RPG, so the series should try to pander to people "outside the nerd cave".

>>731004054
>it's poopdickschizo!
kys

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>>731004142
>Please click my obvious shitposting thread
Retard.
>>731004169
No, you first, it's your turn now.

>>730993323
Morrigan's armpits

>>730993323
Withstood the test of time thanks to solid worldbuilding and strong characters (and romances). The writing has been solid throughout, but the series has been at odds with itself ever since the EA buyout. What I mean is that every game further explores the darkspawn and archdemons then you get to see it from ground level through a set character (Warden, Hawke, Inquis, Rook), but on the surface since 2 they have been whipped by EA to create some awesome MCU flavor to hook in normies. I'm replaying the series for old time's sake and I still find myself transported into the world by reading all the codex entries. It shows the foundation of storytelling has remained, but they have been forced to try and "Awesome button" the combat for every iteration. Origins is maybe the only one I finished on Nightmare, but the others I just put on Easy and plow through the story (and girls).

>>731004253
Yes it’s an obvious shitposting thread. You can tell by the OP alone it’s designed to attract the most retarded discussions possible. Unfortunately that’s most of /vrpg/ these days.

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>>731004253
Misscroped, if that's a term.

>>730993323
being a complete downgrade in every single area possibe outside of graphics when compared to BG2

>>730993323
Well they made a good game and a good expansion, and then they stopped doing that

>>730993323
Nothing.
Good combat, good characters, good expansions, good dlcs, good lore, good voice acting I could go on and on. terrible itemization though
You should ask what went wrong with the sequels.

>>731005690
Be fair, the original had plenty of bugs, like the attack speed limit and the Silverite mine cutscene deleting your equipment. Not to mention persistent memory issues even on high-end machines making it impossible to load a game in Denerim Market.

>>731005778
Well, if you say so, I didn't play it at launch and used the mod fixes on my first playthrough like people recommended, my experience with the game was nothing but great.

>>731004153
And now neither the nerds nor the outside audiences care about the series anymore.

>>731005690
The graphics are pretty bad, it was outdated even for 2009. Not saying it’s a dealbreaker, but it’s true.

>>731005915
The modded experience is much smoother, same for the ME trilogy. The unmodded game has a number of hickups and jank that aren't deal breakers but can be annoying. Still miles better than any of it's sequels.

>>731003246
I really what I'm seeing from the combat in Banquet of Fools, even if I don't like the artstyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeWn5Mpr3E4

I predict that when Larian comes out with their promised biggest game ever in Divinity 3 the pendumlum will swing hard and people will be fucking exhausted of turn-based.
Most people couldn't stomach to finish BG3, imagine a bigger one.

>>731006346
I doubt it. BG3 player retention is quite good for what kind of game it is. From my experience, BG3 actually brought people into liking turn based. I think a lot of behind the scenes things help with that, speeding up turns and all that. It helps that Larian are the masters of turn based combat, if anyone is going to make an appealing combat model, it’s them.

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>>731007082
I'm hopeful given that they're apparently reviewing all of the things that did and didn't work from their recent works in order to make a new system. I like their games, but they have their ups and downs.

>>731003246
>In fact, FFXII and DAO should've been the building block for RTwP games
That's Greedfall II, the first combat trailer was terrible because the combat was absurdly slow, but seems like they fixed it from what their new videos have shown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhs61akKWY

>>731006346
I don't know about that, if Dispatch showed anything, is that gameplay =/= popularity. What makes a game popular nowadays is having waifufaggotry and gayshit for controversy.
Take WoTR for example, do the endless threads about it talk about anything else but whose waifu is the biggest whore?
If BG3 was made with RTwP instead of TB the market would be praising RTwP as the next big hit, but it wouldn't be true, BG3 is not big because of TB nor it would be big because of RTwP but because of bear sex and romance and amazing soundtrack let's be fair.

Bottom line is, the gameplay for RPGs is secondary nowadays, an RPG game won't be popular because of it's combat system but how it's packaged.

>>731007235
I’m interested in what they’ll do and if they’ll go too far or not. They said they were interested in feedback of bg3 players playing dos2 and what they thought. They kinda subtly hinted that the surface effect shit will be more like bg3, although I liked playing an elementalist wizard in dos2 it did go too far. Also mentioned no magic armor but nothing about physical armor.
Their comments on it being an “evolution of turn based combat” and using ideas from cut games of theirs that were too ambitious has me interested, but it could just be marketing fluff.

>>731007397
I remember a clip going viral during BG3’s release of someone building a giant tower of boxes in order to break into a highly guarded fortress. So I think it’s less about turn based vs real time and more that players nowadays like a more freedom/sandbox approach to gameplay. And romance, but that honestly might be more of a nerd thing. There’s more discussion of romance and waifu wars in owlcat threads than Larian threads despite the latter being much more well known.

>>731007397
Isn't Dispatch's gayshit just Flambe, aka the douchiest hero on the squad who's unsubtly implied to boost his ranking by deliberately setting fires and then conveniently extinguishing them? Not to mention, you end up crushing two of his fingers into paste and either knocking out one of his teeth or burning off his eyebrows.

>>731007580
Yeah, when Matt Mercer was playing the game with Swen, he figured out how to cheese his way onto the roof of the Baldur's Gate counting house - build an enormous tower of boxes nearby, then fire an Arrow of Transposition.

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>>730999989
>orzammar
I'm still mad we got some faggy "church bad" storyline instead of the other games focusing on trying to cull the darkspawn

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>>731007580
Maybe I'm out of the loop, but it seems like the nastiest and most vitriolic waifu wars in Owlcat games comes from Wrath of the Righteous players. Kingmaker and Rogue Trader have them too, but Wrath players make them seem pretty tame in comparison. I wonder why that is.

>>731007580
You're correct, but It's memeshit, that's why it's popular.
It's funny and trendy to see Karlach take 300 barrels out of her ass and explode all enemies in a fight, but it's not practical, it's not immersive, and it's fun to see the result but it's not fun to actually doing it yourself.

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>This is the new shit...le bad!!!
Low T faggots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0olSKafPoQA

In war, victory.
In peace, vigilance.
In death, sacrifice.

>>731008046
I loved the deep roads so much

>>731008280
There’s just more romance in wrath I think, so it leads to more fighting. But it’s still crazy how much it eats discussion. RT has less nasty discussion aside from Yrliet schizo but waifus are still a dominant topic. The Dark Heresy threads are entirely about what romance options they expect in the game.

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>>731007662
Bobbing bob in the bobbins.

>>731007662
Flambae is designed to be the biggest homobait yet he's not romanceable so...

>>731003610
Call of Duty doesn't even have the Call of Duty audience anymore.

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>>731002250
Nobody cares about GURPS, anon.

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>>731006346
>Banquet for Fools

The combat pacing, I thought using abilities was really sluggish if you compare it to the Infinity Engine CRPGs. Also it felt like you can't do a problem "tank". Even if you parked Alistair in the front blocking a hallway enemies will run past, and Shield Bash sucks and I think the taunt is a single target. It just felt like ass to replay

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>>731007436
I remember the first patch of Bg3, and the surfaces got massively toned down even within the EA so it does seem to be a thing they're aware of.
That said, my main problem with it in DOS2 was the cursed surfaces that wouldn't fuck off without you wasting a bless, whereupon it would immediately return if you hit/got hit by any void creature, making it completely pointless.

>>731010876
>Taunt is a single target
It isn't. 10m radius centered on warrior. Having Threaten active also increases threat generation. Shield Bash and Shield Pummel are meant to CC enemies targeting allies (or shut down big moves), and Holy Smite will deal damage and reclaim threat on a big group of enemies.

>>731011139
Funnily enough the AMA had a question complaining about cursed surfaces specifically. The answer was that they went overboard with every surface having a cursed and blessed variant. So I could expect to see it cut entirely, or replaced with “hellish” surfaces that can be more easily mitigated. I like Source skills but the way it’s handled as a resource feels half baked.
It’s unrelated, but my biggest problem in DO2 was the awful level gating. It’s disappointing that nobody asked them about it, presumably because it wasn’t a problem in BG3, but still. It’s the main thing keeping me from declaring DOS2 my favorite game.

>>731011509
The minimap does have an indicator that you're walking into a high-level area, but yeah, they definitely expected you to utterly exhaust each section of the map before moving on. It gets better once you've actually filled your skillslots and gotten some decent equipment, but early-game exploration is scary.

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>>731012356
>tfw meeting the welcome scarecrows in reaper's coast

>>731012356
It’s less about being surprised raped and more that it presents itself as you can go and explore at your choice but really if you don’t do the areas in an intended order you will just lose. It stops being a problem in Acts 3 and 4 after you’re super powerful but that’s like 60 hours into the game.

>>731004153
>>731005943
It's a simple lesson - dance with the girl you brought. Yet so few companies seem interested in remembering it these days.

>>730993323
Women and basedboys getting hired in the industry instead of chuds.

>>731008798
Not sure that there'd be many. Rogue Trader lends itself to that sort of thing because it's a much more free-wheeling, swashbuckling style than is usual for 40k, but Dark Heresy tends to be nasty and brutal. Somehow, I don't think boning the female(?) kroot is on Owlcat's feature list.

>>731008798
>aside from Yrliet schizo
People that hate Yrliet are one of the main reasons why RT threads turn to shit, just like it happened before with Arueshalae and Valerie
and for the record no, I don't like her, Cassia mogs the shit out of her, but the sheer absolute seethe her mere mention creates is a sight to behold

>>731014937
Just look at DH threads. 90% of the posts are about the admech potential romance or the rogue trader potential romance. It doesn’t even have to be confirmed yet it’s all they talk about.

>>731015396
I can't look at something that doesn't exist

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>>731015396
Very strange, given the sorts of characters they've revealed thus far.

>>731015568
No, it's not strange at all, the lack of cute girls (especially on the cover) is the reason why people obsess over it so much

>>731015454
Use the archive.

>>731015568
Yes it is strange. But somehow that’s the audience they cultivated. Despite them intentionally trying to court grognards what with making pathfinder games and sucking up to the codex. It’s what makes me think romance is more of a nerd thing than a normie thing.

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>>730993323
Man i jerked off so much to this games sex scene

>>731015643
>Use the archive
Okay
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/subject/dark%20heresy/
>last active threads on december, only lasting a few days after the alpha released
Yeah, they don't exist, RT's alpha was talked about much more

>>730993323
i played it when i was a teen and i'm very nostalgic for it, despite it obviously being very flawed and kind of shit in a lot ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QHitS35Q-s
this still takes me back though. in fact, because of this thread i might just reinstall it and use cheats to blitz through the combat

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>>730993323
You know it's bad when even concept art took such a nose dive.

>>731015396
Because romance faggots are at the core of CRPG.

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>>731015359
I think that's mostly to do with the fact that she leads you into a trap, which a lot of people found very shocking and upsetting. Personally, I was expecting it from the moment they announced an eldar party member because that's exactly what you should expect from letting an eldar hang around - the only thing that really surprised me was that she kind of didn't mean to do it.

>>731015950
Inquisition concept art isn’t bad it’s just a different vibe.
I think the inconvenient truth people have to realize is that bioware never had a solid vision for the franchise and constantly shifted the core of the world based on trends. So Origins was dark fantasy because dark fantasy was popular at the time, and Inquisition is bright and preppy fantasy because again it’s what popular. Same thing with gameplay, just do whatever is in vogue. Nobody actually cares about Dragon Age and so every game is completely different, leading to unending disappointment.

>>731015950
top looks like ai art fr

>>731016267
Where do you think AI shit from?

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>>731016317
From his ass like most people.

>>731016317
nah bruh shit looks like str8 ass fr

>>731016210
i think dan tudge had a vision for what DA is but he left after the first one so

>>731006346
That's a good bet, with Solasta II and all the other upcoming TB titles spawning thanks to BG3 and E33 success people will be sick of it by the time they finish Divinity 3, just like FromSoftware became Rollslop, turn-based will eventually overstay it's welcome.

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>>731004153
I don't trust everything he says as he tends to contradict himself when talking about his time at Bioware, in some interviews he claimed EA rushed him, in others he claims he persuaded EA to make the DLC into DA2.

He's like a politician and just says what he thinks will get him approval with the base.

>>731012930
Because they have examples where it work.

Look how fucking long it took for Assassin Creed to final take a hit in sales. Look at all the unapologetic drones waiting for GT6 and will buy it regardless of quality. To go more for what happen here with Dragon Age 2 look at what sold gang busters at the time, Fallout 3, God of War 3, Halo Reach, Modern Warfare 2, rehashes and slop made to get the masses, they were not given signals that told them quality actually matter. Hell look how fucking long it took for Bethesda to be punished for going for wider and wider abundances.

They don't do this shit because they are dumb, they do it because clearly the masses that buy this shit are, they just don't know how to time the slop right to get the masses to consume.

>>730993323
>Origins
Nothing went wrong at that time.
>sequels
Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.

>>731016528
FromSoftware is called rollslop but their games are still hugely popular and sell well. Maybe Larian won’t be industry darlings any more but it’s not like they’ll have to pivot to action games or go bankrupt.

>>731016528
>>731006346
This is some intense copium

>>731016054
Owlcat has done traitors before though, and those were actual traitors instead of just brainlets that got tricked like her

>>731003246
This.

>>731016734
Funny, fromsoftware fans had this same mindset.

>remember when we thought Awakening was terrible and it won't get worse than this
>remember when we thought DA 2 was terrible and it won't get worse than this

>>731000843
>>731001779
are we seriously going to pretend class customization in DAO is good? the only halfway decent class is mage because of the different schools of magic, but you still can't multiclass and martials are basically stuck with whatever flavor of weapon they choose.

>>731017362
I was including Fromsoftware in my statement too, you're huffing copium nonstop, you browse /v/ too much if you think people hate their games because they're "rollslop"
Fucking Nightreign was a massive success, From is at their peak as far as popularity goes

>>731016981
i think its surprising that their best companion writing was in kingmaker, their first game. I actually gave a damn about the companions, even ones that seemed like memes like jubilost. wrath companions are cartoon characters and RT companions are just boring.

>>731017554
RT's cast mogs the shit out of both Pathfinder games, you just have shit taste.

>>731017516
I love talking to /v/ schizos and the perceived enemies with their perceived words they conjure in their schizo minds.

>>730995778
It’s rose tinted goggles, the entire game from start to finish was just ‘meh’ and other better games exist now that more or less did the same thing or better. It’s just BioWare resting on it’s laurels, and nobody else at the time was really doing anything that was on this level.

I played through this game once, I returned and I immediately noticed how contrived and silly it was and even if I didn’t know exactly what was going to happen next, it would’ve been obvious to me anyway. The bar has been set higher now than this, especially for WRPGs.

>>731017679
What?
Can you even read the reply chain before replying?

FUCKING MAGE FUCKING SHITS ARE OP

>>730993323
EA
First ME was developed fully before EA and first DA mostly.
Then EA did EA things and it went to shit.

>>731017635
mog is a strong word. there are some I like more such as Heinrix, Marazhai, and Kibellah. But a lot of them are just wooden caricatures or complete lolcows like jae. To be fair you could say the same thing about Kingmaker, Tristan and Jubilost were the highlights, with Valerie and Linzi also being pretty alright too.
Though even if you find them cringy, you have to admit that Nok Nok was an amazing companion who could have been completely awful but they somehow managed to handle him correctly. He's funny and endearing without him changing his goblin nature. And we don't get companions like him much in rpgs.

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>>730993323
>What went wrong?
All jokes and memes aside, I think the actual answer is Awakening should have been fleshed out into a full sequel instead of the Dragon Age 2 we got.

There’s no guarantee this would prevent EA from fucking it up over time, but at bare minimum I think the series would be in a way better place than it’s in now.

>>731018043
I don't find them cringy at all, RT's are just way way better.

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>>730993323
EA happened. DA2 was supposed to be DLC for Origins before they ballooned it into a sequel. People forget there was a brain drain after EA acquired Bioware with former devs specifically stating they don't like where Dragon Age is heading.

>>731018281
This.

>>730993323
Morrigan's wearing a bra? I always thought she just wore those rags with nothing under

>>730993606
Bizarre how we went from that to WE CAN BE HEROES
https://youtu.be/MYPNc8LUBWM
https://youtu.be/btLgiLuMGXM

>>730993323
It was a ok game, but:
>too linear
>story and lore is whatever
>everything is too "clean". Feels more like a bunch of commiefornians cosplaying at a cringy con than a medieval setting
>retroactively ruined by pozzed propaganda sequels

Dragon Age Origins was a bleak world where you could choose to be objectively heroic, Dragon Age 2 continued this though it added unavoidable tragedies to better sell that you were a glorified helpless civilian even at the height of your power. Inquisition seemed to forget the world sucks thing and just rolled with a more hopeful world in general, preventing you from being too pragmatic let alone evil and only giving you the choice of being a (good) messiah archetype, which I feel kind of defeats the tone and the established world of the previous games

The writing sucked.

No, fuck you, it really did. None of the characters were likable. That's an important part of a story and all of these characters were selfish cunts.

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>>731008669
>Filename
BASED

>>731020938
that's exactly what good writing is, where NPCs are not your chess peices to sacrifice and that they'll prefer to bailt out than act as your meatshield unless via itneraction you make them trust your decisions for the better
but at this point, /v/ is full of contrarian faggotry that there's no game witha good writing

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>>731020938
Oh anon, I do have the perfect game for you.

>>731021081
>>731021097
Shit taste, you're gay, fucked your mother, your brother sucks your cock, your dumb, go eat shit.

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>>731021203

>>731021203
so no argument, only parroting/contrarianshit, thanks

How do I have fun with the other two classes instead of immediately rerolling a mage?

>>730996328
>used up born again virgin slut

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>>731021630
Specs anon.
Especially on awakening.

>>731021783
How come /v/ always uses this as an insult towards Leliana when she never pretends to be "born again"
hell after you learn about her past as a bard she starts openly talking about it, she literally has banter with Alistair where she teases him over how dying after having sex with a bard is a good way to go

>>731018281
People love to shit on 2, but its genuinely kind of impressive what they managed given the time constraints from ea. We also have testimonial from former devs that ea straight up never liked or knew what to do with dragon age and always favored mass effect.

>>731021909
>w-we didn't fuck it up, pls blame EA
>just ignore that all other games we made after DA:O were also shit

>>731021909
>ea straight up never liked or knew what to do with dragon age
That explains why every damn game in the series plays differently

>>731021873
The problem with CRPGs is that since they are story driven games they become victims of people's lack of reading comprehension or attention.

From the top of my head:
>S
>Kalikke
>Morrigan (friends)
>A
>Kanerah
>F
>Every other cRPG romance ever.

>>730993323
nothing

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>>731022131
What about Annah-of-the-Shadows?

>>731022361
Never played PST, does the MC even have a peanus weanus?

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>>731022361
I... I didn't play Planescape.

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>>731022361
>Tieflings players
Usually the worst
>Tieflings companions
Usually the best

What causes this?

>>730993402
Cringe

>>731021630
DAO is weirdly open to builds so you just do something unhinged like full strength greatsword Rogue

>>731022465
He does, it's just covered in scar tissue like every other part of his body.

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>>731022498
That's a shame, you should. Bit dense on the reading, but it's really good.

>>730993781
This but unironically.

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>>731022725
People just don't understand what it means to be the GOAT, anon.

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>>730993323
>What went wrong
How about the bullshit crashes? And no, the patches don't fix it all. I abandoned a playthrough because I got so many crashes which couldn't be prevented no matter what I did. Sad.

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CAN YOU FEEL MY HEARRRRRRRRRRRT
WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH

>>730993323
I don't know If I grew up or just never paid attention when I was younger but the dialogue really was all cringe from the start. But Idk Alistar wasn't cringe to me he was funny because everyone else was serious.

>>731024751
I'm afraid you've caught irony poisoning.
You need to watch master and commander until it goes away.

>>730993323
I am eternally mad at how dumbed down character building was in this game compared to Neverwinter Nights and how incredibly lame and useless Shapeshifter was in particular. Also was not really a fan of the reddit quippy dialogue between party members and how every single lore thing in the game is just the devs going, "Heh, normally X is Y, but in our setting it's the opposite."
>elves are second class dirt citizens instead of haughty and otherworldly
>mages are oppressed and powerless instead of all-powerful megalomaniacs
>dwarves are backstabbing and Machiavellian instead of honorable
Having said all this, RPGs have gotten so infinitely worse in the years since that I would be delighted to have a game like Origins released today.

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>>731022725
>>Tieflings players
BASED

>>731024751
I have the exact opposite opinion, I never cared for Alistair because he comes across like a whiny bitch who hides behind sarcasm instead of dealing with his problems like an adult. The fact he defers to the person who joined yesterday about what to do while just sort of mildly sulking if you straight up murder children or defile holy religious artifacts is comical. I know you can make him slightly less of a pushover in that sidequest but he's still ultimately a loser who needs you to stand up for him at the Landsmeet like that EXCUSE ME HE ASKED FOR NO PICKLES meme, and I'm happy he became an exiled alcoholic in my timeline.

>>731025528
>elves are second class dirt citizens instead of haughty and otherworldly
for a very good reason
>mages are oppressed and powerless instead of all-powerful megalomaniacs
except they are and tevinter is literal mage kingdom, while others prefer to not be a 2nd tevinter
>dwarves are backstabbing and Machiavellian instead of honorable
debatable, a new take on dwarves that wasn't forced faggotry was nice. Them going progressive vs traditional is literal dwarves being stubborn fucks amped to 300%

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The worst thing about DA is how they invested so much into the world and characters of Origins only for it to all deteriorate with each subsequent entry. What started as an unoriginal but a clear love letter to a multitude of other series couldn’t even keep that same identity. Dark fantasy turning into action which turns into quippy nonsense with Veilguard.

>>731025528
that's more a product of its time thing.
Edge fantasy was in vogue during the 2000s.

The worst thing about DA is the turn based combat or whatever the fuck it was. You have this great fantasy setting, so many choices, companions, and you waste it on clicking hotkeys and waiting for animations to end lmao