>finish neutral route>masakado breaks the dome and credits roll>no aftermarth cutscene or final boss fight>just fucking ends???what the fuck was that???. did anyone even fucking play it or did everyone just liked it cuz they listened to the ost and called it a day??? what a fucking disaster, holy shit. this was not worth it at all. fuck this game and fuck everyone who shilled it. Nocturned and V are way better than this piece of shit. i'll never listen to any of you ever again.
You're not subtle little friend
>>730996962subtle of what, nigger. post your smtiv save file before you start talking shit.
>subtle of whatGo back to Persona 5 you pleb
>no savefile>still defending IVignored.
>>730996985what now bitch boy?
Note how quick he is to aggressively defend himself. Sad! Maybe he'd feel more comfortable playing Persona 5 or one of the Pokémon games.
>>730997197>>730997207>FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU STOP INSULTING IV!!!how about you make some counter arguments instead of shitposting.
>>730997242Dance, monkey! Dance! Hahaha!
>>730996919hey I know that "SMT 5 sucks" thread made you super mad and it was a very popular thread, but this isn't the way to handle your impotent rage
>>730997197KEK fucking owned that retard>>730997242>uh...uh...uh...duh duh duh um ehhh uhhhhhlmao owned
>smtiv fags are incapable of arguing and will instead raid the thread with their discord serveractual cult. lmao.
>>730997337There are no IVfags. I refuse to believe that.
>>730997337You're so mad right now kek
>>730997337more like I saw a retard being retarded and I laughed at himretard
nvm it's one guy samefagging.
>>730996919Whitechad here. Get fucked neutralfag.
>>730997435Of course it is. This dude has been making these threads the past couple days because he got filtered so fucking hard, I doubt he even made it past Minotaur.
>>730997518they're talking about you, bro. i've yet to see one post arguing why the neutral ending is "good". it's all >erm- fuck you!what the fuck am i supposed to get from that???? are you 12 or unironically fucking autistic?
>>730996919As someone who defended it when it came out on /v/ against similar criticism, yeah I mostly agree. It's definitely the weakest main line game by a wide margin. What IV does really well is atmosphere, the main story is a throwaway the fun part of the game is just wandering town talking to people and getting the history of how they've lived. In that respect, I think that's what IV is going for, the story of the people of Tokyo. Shame about literally everything else.
>>730997597melty meltly lmao
>>730997597Uh oh, melty!
it's meeee the spooooky magic samefaglmao what a fucking retard
>>730997638honestly the horrible map design is what did most damage. it's such a chore trying to get to point A to point B. that's the only thing stopping me from replaying this game.
i never knew IVfags were this autistic till today. you learn something new every day.
console warring tier retards who try to start shitflinging between entries in the same series are probably the most retarded people on Earth, as shown by this thread and OP
the firmament goes away and they all lived happily ever after until they don't... you don't really need to be shown that
>>730997946so how mad 1-10? It's definitely above 8>show me your save >here bitch>abloo bloo hoo hoolmao
>>730998209im not your bogeyman negro. go bother someone else
>>730998192they could've shown Isabeau kissing the mc and i'd be satisfied with that tbqh.
>>730998273>I'm not the mad retard who types exactly the same because I'm 12 please believe melol
>>730996919>Nocturne is better than IVTake off your glasses
>>730998361it's still better
It's a harsh truth but you all need to understand this.2 > IV > V Vengeance > 1 > 3
>>730998361nocturne has actual dungeons and the gameplay isn't dragged out by unnecessary backtracking and side quests no one gives a fuck about. had more fun with Nocturne than IV.
>>730998387the problem is 4chinners and Redditors have mostly all only played 3 and 5they have hot opinions about games they read about but did not play and thus do not know the truth of your statement
>>730998439i played it and i think 4 is dogshit. now what pussy?V:V = III >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IV
>>730996919>>no aftermarth cutscene or final boss fightWhy did you skip the post game content called Final then fag?
>>730998719cool, you're the majority of 4chan and reddit? I didn't ask how fat you were, fuckwit.
How much better is Vengeance? Worth another playthrough?
>>730998853you're obviously complaining about me, faggot. now you're goal moving once you learned it aint true. fucking kill yourself already.
>>730998908now who's got the boogeyman, you sensitive bitch faggot?LOL
>>730998862it's just as bad as before but with different bad now
>>730998934>exposes himself as the samefagthat's very sad, bro.
>>730998986>cries about his 4chan boogeyman againyou're going to dream about someone you made up to be afraid of onlineamazing
>>730998862it is pretty solid. all the new demons and bosses are very endearing and the demon haunt gives them a lot of personality. the new OST is still a banger. definitely worth a playthrough.
>>730997778The bright side is that I now know about a bunch of Tokyo districts simply because how much a pain in the ass it was to get from point A to B sometimes
>>730997597Meanwhile in reality you haven't given a reason why it was bad.
>>730999305because the game ends very abruptly. i was kinda expecting a final boss, but, instead got nothing and the game ended right after. i guess i was spoiled with Nocturne and V:V both having an actual final boss. lol.
>>730998430>Actual dungeonsYeah they look and play like shit. SMTIV blends the environments in to the dungeon design. 3 has copy/paste hallways and you think that makes it good? Get a grip homie, your Reddit is showing.
>>730998862Best gameplay in the series. Vengeance route is probably the second best narrative in the series (after 2). Environments and OST are incredible. The original route benefits from the gameplay tweaks as well. All around it's probably the second best SMT (after 2).
>>730999428The final boss in the neutral route is Lucifer you jabronie did you miss all that?
>>731000016smtiv doesn't have dungeons, they're all hallways. im starting to think you didn't actually play 3 and 4... Nocturne had actual puzzles and gimmicks in their dungeons. i know this because i actually played the games.
>>731000168Every area in SMTIV is a dungeon newfag. Just because you don't get a copy/paste 2 floor shitheap like in 3, doesn't mean that the dungeons don't exist. Try using your brain. Everything you explore in 3D in SMTIV with random encounters IS a dungeon.
DeSu 1 is the only good mehatenno I never played any other game in the series save for the famicom one ok thx
>>731000168Not even getting in to the stuff like the palace, Naruko and Reverse Hills are better than any "dungeon" in Nocturne
>>731000230>the whole game... is a dungeon !!incredible. you sure got me.
>>731000380>No argumentI accept your concession.
>>731000360dungeons usually have puzzles and gimmicks. traversing from point A to point B isn't a fucking dungeon. stop saying this.
>>731000473There are several puzzles in the areas of IV and they even contain shortcuts and wrap arounds, loot, bosses, etc, honestly it just seems like you're butthurt that they chose to blend the exploration of a dystopian demon infested city in to the gameplay as opposed to dropping the player in to bland hallways like in 3. Immensely butthurt I might add.
>>731000473>traversing from point A to point B isn't a fucking dungeonBut that's 3/4 of the dungeons in Nocturne
>>731000589And both (yes, there's only two) in V
The fact that there are really some people who think SMTV sucks but the earlier mainline games are good simply boggles my mind. SMTV is a galatic leap beyond IV let alone all the others. Like it's not even remotely close. Truly baffling. I guess I shouldn't be surprised since most series have their "old good new bad" posters but still. Sometimes the older games are better sure but in SMT's case it's not even a fucking contest.Devil Survivor is better than all the mainline SMTs besides V as well btw.
>>731000556nocturne does dungeons better. you should play the games.>>731000589nope. that's 4.
>>731000859>No argumentI again accept your concession.
>>731000859>nope. that's 4.There's nothing exclusive about that characteristic, they both have it.
>>731000101that's law's final boss. usually every route has their unique final boss. 4 was lazy and had none.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wll02KhhUNwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLmpsGgDihk
>>730998387VV>SJ>3>1>IV>2
>>731000962>>731001067nocturne's dungeons are more interesting. 4 does not have dungeons. no, going from shibuya to shinjuku isn't a dungeon. you can stop shitposting now.
>>731001175>More interestingExplain
why do nocturnebabbies screech so much when you don't like their barren tedious snoozefest of a game?even nu-sona fanboys are more reasonable
>>731001175>nocturne's dungeons are more interesting>4 does not have dungeonsthese two statements are contradictory you may be retarded
>>731001175>no, going from shibuya to shinjuku isn't a dungeon.Uh oh looks like you're showing your Reddit again. Each time you enter an area and see the 3D character model, that's a dungeon newfag. It looks better mechanically and aesthetically than the boring hallways in 3, of which none of them match even the Government Building area.
>>731001281Because they're rose tinted nostalgia losers. 'f s'. Everything done well in 3 was done better in IV and V.
>>731001328>Each time you enter an area and see the 3D character model, that's a dungeon newfag. then V had the best dungeon in the entire series
>>731001175Are you genuinely butthurt that IV weaves the dungeon gameplay in to actual environments? Because that's what it sounds like.
>>731001382V has hands down the beat gameplay, so yes. The first area of V is better than every "dungeon" (read: hallway) in 3.
>>731001416then V is the best SMT game in the entire franchise, yes?. i do agree with that.
>>731001382>I would rather explore 4 samey buildings than entire environments ??
>>7310014582 > Vengeance > IV > 1 > 3
>>731001460>massive dungeons with tons of contentyea, V has the best dungeons if we're going with your logic.
>>731001507As opposed to 3s lack of content? Yes.
>>7310014932 really needs some kind of remake. I can forgive it's more meh aspects because the story and lore is so good. 2s environments and story in IV or Vs aesthetic would be kino.Atlus is too scared to release it officially anwyay
>>731001531>b-but 3rent free. lmao.
>>731001507Unironically go play Wizardry if you want bland hallways newfag. Or Lost Child if you want that Nocturne aesthetic.
>>731001587>Spends half the thread saying 3 is better than IV and V>Gets butthurt when destroyed by facts and logic, and exposed as a Reddit opinionatorLmao.
>>731001646>Gets butthurt when destroyed by facts and logicbro thinks he's ben shapiro. kek.whole thread i've been saying that both Nocturne and V mog the fuck out of IV. hell, that shit was in the OP as well. wake up, nigga.
>>731001741>Uh oh I've run out of argumentsYour concession has already been accepted homie ;)
>>731001808>uhh... n-no argument!!everyone can read the post, bro. you're making yourself look bad. lmao.
>>730998719alice bro..
>>731002180it's tradition at this point.
>>731001357Nothing was done better in IV lmao
a tradition indeed https://n1.kemono.cr/data/d9/5a/d95a427cc96e5883df1cb869ab615944e3053ec1a86e51ea89268e025817aaad.jpg?f=6rxH2S3DDj303RDsUrYWPSut.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/x7736m.jpg
>>730996919>eliminate the retard factions (Lucifer and Merkabah and whoever counts themselves among either’s lackeys)>do good around the realm to make yourself known and spread hope for the future>do what any sensible person would hope for (restore the sun’s rays shining upon Tokyo)>good end, roll credits>nooo there should still be someone who hates the player character’s heroism! There MUST be a final boss even though I already killed two of them!
>>731004231it's a video game
>>730998862It's definitely better than the original route. How much better will kind of depend on what you think of the new plotline though.
I know OP being a fag is a rule, but who the fuck asks someone to prove they've played a game without having a save on hand to do the same? It's like asking to get egg in your face.
>>731000821No, that's just factually incorrect. Say what you will about V's dungeons, it's probably deserved, but they do quite literally have navigational puzzles in them (the fans and enemy blockades respectively).
>>731000821Anon the entire environment is a dungeon in V. I don't get why you people aren't understanding this. In the same way that you navigate the "towns" in 3, you navigate an entire world in V. Simple as. Approach it with this mentality and you'll realise how absolutely retarded your entire point is for both IV and V - literally arguing that more detailed dungeon environments in both those games are preferable to the blank and bland hallways in 3.
>Be Nocturne fan>Enter an area>I navigate samey environments for 40 minutes with a ridiculous encounter rate>I'm rewarded with a 30 seconds cutscene that says nothing of consequence>I go to the next area>It's a samey bland environment>I enjoy this because I played it when I was youngerNocturne fans can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to their game
>>731007968Funny thing is, the dull story and lack of interactions and environmental detail is seen as "true SMT" to them. It's the only game in the series like this. Whenever I see ->Dude in SMT the story isn't the point bro!I know I'm speaking to a Nocturne baby
>>730996919Nah you're a tool. The only criticism that can objectively logged against IV is that they didn't redraw any of the old sprites so it's jarring as fuck when you're met with updated designs then the next battle you're looking and compressed Kaneko artwork from 1996
>>731008303Compressed Kaneko art is still better than whatever Doi can cook up
>>731007968>>731008034Its a dungeon crawler not a jrpg. Go jerk off to persona
>>731008963>Dungeon crawlers don't need narratives or interesting dungeonsNocturne baby
>>730996919basedIV is dogshit
This thread is slowing down so fast that I’m the bug already inside you
>>731001357I played all of mainline in order two years ago. 3 is my favorite with 2 and SJ close behind. It works in all aspects which makes it a perfect SMT game. Aesthetics, gameplay, atmosphere, music. The minimal story helps make it very atmospheric which I place above all else in any video game. SMT 4 had too many conflicting designs and too many characters. 4 also has the WORST overworld design in the series. 4a fixes that and the gameplay but that doesn't even feel like SMT. 5 and 5 Vengeance have zero likeable characters and it's story is a mess. Probably has the worst reps I've seen yet. Exploration in 5 turns into a chore very quickly in. The protag's transformed design has grown on me though. 3 just works in all aspects and has the most striking style in the series.
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>>731008303I find that part of IV's charm, the artsyle chunkines just adds to the 'speed' of playing the gameplay (ie not slowed down by worrying about uniform/more detailed artstyle)
>>731001086Here's a fun fact. The final boss of all the routes in SMT3 aside from the true demon ending (which was content added in the classic ATLUS release the same game again but better) is the Kagutsuchi, or you decide to be a fence sitting bitch and get no final boss. In SMTV the only difference between the law/chaos final boss and neutral is that Lucifer has an extra phase. 3 and 5 must be extremely lazy compared to 4 then if they had the exact same final boss on all routes.
>>730998862Yes, go Law this time.
>>731013084The unique route bosses in 3 and 5 are the allignment heads. It's more like 4 doesn't even have a final boss, just a crappy fight with the allignment heads and the actual final boss, Masakados, is a paid day 1 DLC.
>>731013372>4 doesn't have a unique final boss like the other games>actually it's par for the course>uhh i meant unique fights for the routesOkay. 4 also has a section where you play through an entirely different part of the story depending on if you choose law or chaos before heading to Blasted Tokyo. This section has those unique fights you're claiming it doesn't have. Meanwhile 3 and 5 don't even have a route split in their story, very lazy of them.
