Is there a core reason why optimization is not longer a thing in modern games?
>>731010170Game making is your job now, not your passion.
people buy the slop regardless of if it runs or not
>>731010170>39fps>43fpsit's a retarded thing to put in, but still
>>731010407that's a 10% increase
>>731010170this is not even optimization, this is like failing high school computer science because you don't intuitively solve the n+1 qeuery problem and then getting a job anywaythe only thing that leaves me more annoyed is that Steam apparently made no fuss about this and told their partner capcom to fucking fix this, instead of hundred thousands of players causing millions of API requests every second
>>731010170100% sure they thought they were using seconds but it was microseconds instead
>>731010461>that's a 10% increaseIt's actually far worse and it depends on your amount of owned DLC. If you own no DLC and then own all DLC, you double your FPS everywhere (the mod only legally fixes it for when you're nearby the support desk, because it's not allowed to make it act as an unlocker). There's benchmarks of that from 46 fps (no DLC owned) to 92 fps (all DLC owned through unlocker). So if the person already owned about half of the DLC they already have a headstart basically.
>>731010652>Everywhere No. The issue only happens when near the NPC that checks the DLC. Even if you own all DLC and go out in a hunt nothing changes
>>731010170Just buy all dlc
>>731010775>Even if you own all DLCwhy would owning DLC have ANY effect on how often the game checks if you own DLC? wouldn't it still do 5000 checks to make sure you still owned it all? the whole point of doing those checks is presumably to make sure you actually own the DLC you play with after all.
>>731010170It's easy to optimize 500 lines of code. It's harder to optimize 500,000 lines of code. It's difficult to make optimization scale up because games have so many different and disparate systems comprising the whole. Someone would have to be supremely talented at optimization AND also know how each individual aspect of the game relates to all other aspects. And even if they did have that ability, they're still only one person with only so many hours in a day. Sure if you gave them a mountain of cocaine and 5 years they could optimize the game, but nobody's going to burn themselves out like that and no publisher is going to sit on a "complete" game for that long. It's just bad industry practices. Developers will write code only so far as to make it functional and sloppy. Optimizing it is something they leave for "later" because they're still unsure if anything they wrote will need to be changed later, and they want it to be as easy to read as possible for that possibility.
>>731011036Some nips boughted all the DLC and got a 20fps increase on his 9800x3d & 4080The mod that's circulating on nexus is incomplete according to the original guy that raised the issue but then he also didn't release his version so who the fuck knowsThe whole ordeal is weird because you get some tards vehemently trying to defend capcom and calling this shit LIES LIES LIES SLANDER NOOOOO
>>731010407Considering the game expects you to run it with 4x frame gen, that's almost 20 fps.
>>731010170you will buy the dlc
>>731011238>it's easier to optimize 500,000 lines of code because the more code you write the more inefficient parts there are to optimize.It doesn't work like that. The amount of effort it takes to consolidate 500 lines of code into 400 lines of code is the same amount of effort it takes to consolidate 500,000 lines of code into 499,900 lines of code. Do you understand the issue now?
>>731010461stat major over here
>>731011127sounds like a lie capcom is spreading to trick people into buying DLC for their shit game.
>>731011127You can play offline and unlock all the DLC with a mod, the game stops checking for DLC when near the NPC but in the open field where you hunt monsters there is also no change at all, because the NPC that checks for the DLC is not in the open field.
>>731010170This is outrage bait, this performance issue is only around the specific DLC character.https://www.digitalfoundry.net/news/2026/01/the-latest-monster-hunter-wilds-pc-perf-drama-explainedThere are hundreds of reason to shit on Wilds, this is the least bad of them all.
>>731011420Would it kill you to admit that this shouldn't be happening at all?
>>731011420I booted the game myself with reframework and hooked all the function in the dlcservice and network manager and the fucking game calls for dlc check functions every frames even in the open maps.I'm not skilled enough to fix it but I know there's big issue the game.I read the code for the mod that's on nexus and it just skips 2 functions that only runs near the cat so of course it only works there.
>>731011659Blunders like this make me nervous for Capcom's future. Like what the fuck are they doing?
>>731011659are you checking this one?
>>731012236Less Dlc Check was first posted but this one does the exact sameAll it does is skip the calls from app.GUIManager::isNewBenefit() and app.dlc.DlcService::isAvailableDLC There's way more trash functions getting called per frames
>>731010170Japanese developers target 30hz for playstation, they don't bother optimizing past that.
>>73101017043 fps still isn't good.
>>731012364I find it hard to believe that even DF and other big tech reviewers did all the testing and all found the same thing, that this issue only happens when near the NPC. Even other users have looked at the code and confirmed this.If you can post proof that this also fixes performance outside the camps in the open it would be great because so far literally nobody can replicate this, only you.
>>731010170This isn't what's happening and Digital Foundry debunked this. But because 4chan /v/ like most of Reddit PCMR is full of the third world (South America, India, Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe) you're going to spam this despite being categorically untrue. Post truth just means if you feel whatever you read on social media is true you're gonna go with it, especially if you're a balding Zoomer who is illiterate and has ADHD which deters critical thinking.Capcom's games on PC have Denuvo DRM because PC vegans love piracy. The "mod" you're talking about isn't actually fixing shit but I waste my breath on a third world forum that's eager to dump their Reddit and Twitter screencaps here.https://www.digitalfoundry.net/news/2026/01/the-latest-monster-hunter-wilds-pc-perf-drama-explained>At the very least, the initial "buying DLC improves frame-rate" narrative has been debunked, even if the nature of the issue does not reflect well on Capcom and its QA processes. This is clearly a bug, not a feature, but it is an issue that Capcom should address in what should be an easy fix. However, in the meantime, your hub experiences within Monster Hunter Wilds can be sorted with the Less DLC mod.tlrdr; You are living through the third world inhabitants discovering English speaking gaming communities. Some are even financially motivated to ruin it with monetization like the OP's twitter search image. Twitter's search bolds your text string as you're searching. Hi pirat_nation castrate yourself.
>>731012360Just because you're more likely to find bad code at random doesn't mean the act of fixing that bad code is 1000x faster. That's the point, retard. You're strictly limited by time. Game size has increased exponentially, but talent at optimization has not increased exponentially.
>>0731012647AI slop post
In all seriousness, how many of you would play this game if the performance was flawless? The gameplay is genuinely awful, I don’t see how people care about the optimization beyond intellectual curiosity at how third-world Capcom can be at programming.
>>731010170>Is there a core reasonMoney.
>>731012535Did you read the df article? They only used the publicly available mod at the time https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/3798sdk.hook(sdk.find_type_definition("app.GUIManager"):get_method("isNewBenefit") bla bla and it skips the function that's it and that's the function that gets called near the cat.>If you can post proofHow am I gonna do that? I don't have the code that the original reddit faggot was claiming was slowing the game down nor do I even know where to look for. I never said anything about replicating anything reread the comment chain you probably got me confused with someone else.
>>731012819I'm saying that even without the mod, if you just unlock all DLC with a mod and play in offline mode, there are no performance gains in the open world, only inside camps where the NPC is. A lot of people have also confirmed this, it's only you who is saying that this fixes performance "everywhere" but refuse to post proof.
>>731012976>it's only you who is saying that this fixes performance "everywhere" but refuse to post proof.Where did I say this? The only one that claimed it was the original reddit poster that never released his mod. All I ever said is that the mods currently on nexus are nothing burgers so it's obviously underwhelming for most people.
>>731012976You're LITERALLY living through the third world internet/post truth social media world. Zoomers are fucking illiterate my dude. To them all the source they need is a 15 second TikTok YouTube Short video of someone reading (while stuttering and having multiple jump cuts due to ADHD) an article alluding to this and then that's the end. I would honestly fail everyone in any 9th grade science class for not even understanding how to test a hypothesis. We had this same retard ADHD zoomer and third world parade when TES Oblivion Remaster was released and "mods" aka ini tweaks """"fixed""" the performance which was a placebo. This is the internet we have now with the third world and Gen Alpha and Zoomers.
>>731010170Time and money.I'm a programmer, getting a game to be optimised requires code to be organised and planned out otherwise you can end up with performance bottlenecks that can only be fixed by completely redoing a large chunk of the code base. This rarely happens because: 1. Game developers save development time by using off the shelf solutions like unity, or unreal or other lower level solutions to speed through some of the lower level parts of game development. This could save years of dev time but these solutions even if optimised well (which they aren't) are optimised in a general way that may not be ideal for the specific type of game being made, without from scratch custom engines some amount of performance hit is inevitable.2. Game developers use crunch and agile development strategies to try and create games quickly. If you look behind the scenes of game development you'll see that many games get 90% of the way there very fast only to spend the last 2 years getting the last 10% right. This is because they are deliberately rushing to have things to show to investors and marketing teams and end up with games that are very rough under the hood and need to then slowly unfuck huge parts of the codebase. Games release with glitches because they run out of time to fix certain bits of the codebase.3. Game developers hire hundreds of peoples to work on a singular project, meaning that constant quality communication needs to happen to keep the codebase well organised and consistent and for large projects there's usually not a singular person that actually understands how every single thing works.For games to release optimised they need either more time in the oven, smaller teams, better team organisation, custom engines, proper planning, or some combination of all of the above. All of that work for something that likely won't affect sales anyway.
>>731013197meds
>>731010170Because AAA games are made by 1000+ employees working in 20 different teams across 10 different studios. Half of the programmers are Indian and half of those use ChatGPT for all their work. Quality code is impossible in this kind of environment.
>>731010170Incompetency, the modern dev out of a university has an IQ of 80.
>>731011338What a bunch of retarded bullshit.You never optimize the whole fucking code.There are profilers that will point out to you where the bottlenecks are and you're supposed to focus on parts requiring high performance.No one gives a fuck if main menu runs at 200FPS or 440FPS.
>>731012795multiple mods are needed to remove the intrusive hand-holding UI>THERES A FLOWER >THERES A ROCK>YOUR CAT JUST PICKED THEM UP>A MONSTER 2 STATES AWAY JUST FARTED>THIS IS THE MONSTER YOURE HUNTING IN CASE YOU FORGOT>DONT FORGET TO EAT
>>731010170When did Kaidan start working for Capcom exactly? That's exactly the kind of shit he did in his mods.
Because people will buy it anyway. Remember when Arkham Knight ran badly on release and WB offered refunds on Steam REGARDLESS of time played? Nowadays they'd tell you that the game is AAAA and you should enable fake pixels and fake frames.
>>731010170Competency crisisGooks have never been great programmers to begin withThe vice president of a company should never have to stoop down to the level of codemonkey and fix an entire fucking project.
>>731010170>helldivers 2 got so bloated it went over 100 gigs>oh we finally got a third party to optimize it and got it down to 20 gigswhat the fuck do devs smoke?
>>731010170You could've found a better example than the literal bullshit spouted by a redditor but you do you.
>>731013487>repacks cut games in half by cutting out all of the unused languages >the retail products force me to download 20 gigs of Russian voice lines in the event that I decide to put Russian voices on
The /v/ ""mod"" that fixes Bethesda games and now Capcom games are>ini tweaks>Nexus Mods that disables one NPC/Felyne companion in Monster Hunter WildNext opening CMD and typing "WHOIS IP" is doxxing Pentagon. The post truth world, third world on social media, ADHD zoomers and Gen Alpha world we have to share. Next thread how to unzip and extract RAR files in 10 seconds TikTok YouTube Short clips with mystery meat zoomers and broccoli phenotype haircuts.
>>731013197>>731013120Post proof then.
>>731013512Even if it's only in camp, it's retarded. This is a code that should run exclusively when talking to the DLC cat, not every millisecond you're within 300 yards of the DLC cat.That's like having a code to check to see if you have a key a thousand times per second when you're in the same room as a locked door
>>731013540With Helldivers 2 it was removing duplicate assets included for HDD players.
>>731013604That's not even the problem, if you just reduce the amount of times it checks, the issue is also fixed. The problem right now is that the checks happen a shit ton of times
>>731013587>Mod>Modification>Both of those are modifications that can't be tweaked in the game menuholy retard.
>>731010170nigga I don't give a fuck about milds even if it ran at 240fps native 4k on a rtx970 I still won't play that casualized pozzed garbagefuck jewcom
>>731010170>retarded PCunts are willing to pay extra $250 for a factory overclocked version of the same video card to get a 5 fps boost>while developers deliberately eat that same performace gain because they literally don't give a fuck about the PCuntskek
>>731013770>“It looks like this only happens when you're close enough to a Support Desk felyne (the ones that handle bounties and have a DLC menu) to see an exclamation point on its map/world icon, which pops up if DLC is purchased or is newly available, so you know to go and redeem and/or look at the new DLC. So it only matters while you're standing in/near a Base Camp and the Support Desk doesn't already have a DLC notification.”
>>731013385>What a bunch of retarded bullshit.If it's as you describe then games wouldn't have trouble being optimized. And yet here we fucking are. Stop running your mouth.
>>731013883What the fuck does that have to do with what I said? Optimization obviously has diminishing returns at the extreme end, but we're not talking about the extreme end.
>>731013480Its not about competency - there are still masses of competent people about. Its about capitalism finding the most efficient solution. Why waste money on making a good optimized product, if you can just hire cheap Indians to produce inefficient code with ChatGPT and customers just buy the stuff anyways? Enable fake frames and majority of customers cant tell big enough difference to affect sales decision.
>>731010170Devs optimize only when they're forced to, this really isn't some obscure mystery. Nobody is paying more for nice looking code, they just want to sell the minimum viable product.
>>731010170>News: Monster Hunter Wilds is shitI knew that already
>>731010170Because game companies are in bed with the PC parts companies and shunt everything onto the consumer who is forced to buy more expensive parts to brute force it.
>>731010170>However, this only happens in a specific scenario: when your character is in a hub zone and one of the Support Desk felyne characters is nearby. That's because those NPCs handle the DLC menu.
> just a bug when you are near the feline that offers the dlc. No performance gain here>oh so it was 100% only the hub palico that was CONFIRMED to be dropping fps, and hunts are completely unaffected This mod does nothing but the third world, ADHD zoomer/gen alpha, and the average PC vegan believes it's transformative. Can't wait to see this same thread reposted as the only source of information these days is Twitter, TikTok, YouTube Shorts and zoomers just love regurgitating their dogshit.
>>731013714Sure, what I'm getting at is that whoever wrote the code is a complete fucking retard.I get that maybe you want to combat piracy, and only checking once leaves you open to pirated DLC, but like you and I are saying. You don't need it running a billion times per second when in proximity to the fucking cat
>>731010170It costs money to optimize games while optimization doesn't actually make them any money.
I hate you fags for spamming this shit and making me waste the time to install the game again and add this shitty ass mod that, guess what, adds 5 fps while standing in town and nowhere else. THE GAME IS STILL SHIT. THIS DOESNT FIX A SINGLE FUCKING THING NOT EVEN THE ONE THING IT CLAIMS TO FIX. YOU ARE A NIGGER
>>731014136it happens worse on playstation (psp, vita, console) and noticeably slows down the initial load on freedom wars, god eater and phantasy star portable 2 infinity and other games but hmmmmm why isn't sony being called out on it and why is their former ally who branched their monster hunter games onto nintendo hardware and pc being called out on it hmmmm
>>731014248wow, you are dumb
>>731010170>optimizationIt's not optimization, it's not doing retarded shit. Software only runs slow because the code the devs wrote is shit. It's not like games make 5000 DLC checks by default and devs need to do a ton of work to not do that. The devs are just morons.Saying that they didn't optimize it is like getting served a plate of ash in a restaurant and saying the chef didn't "unburn" it.Software runs INSTANTLY by default and only runs slow because of code the developers wrote.This game could easily run with hundreds of FPS if the devs just didn't do retarded shit. EASILY.
>>731014394>grrrr I'm madNow imagine all of THESE kinds of code snippets that are siphoning your frames. Shits probably checking for the unreleased expansion 1000 times per frame in the wild
>>731014442no, the game is unoptimized and this dlc check that only happens in town is a retarded placebo for midwits to get smug about. the game is fundamentally fucked and this doesn't fix it
>>731014442>the year of our Lord 2025 gamers ask for optimization>and by optimization they mean please stop adding infinite while loops to their game
>>731014551>retarded placebo for midwits to get smug about.i.e. Redditors, pirat_nation, third world, Elon X monetization parasites, zoomers, gen alpha, TikTok YouTube Shorts audience, etc etc. My favorite one was changing the uGrid in Elder Scroll 4 Remaster ini actually made the game worse but people were riding social media posts as facts.
>>731014814>oblivion remasterThe game that leaves cum streaks when you swing your weapon?
>>731014893your cum looks like a bow?
>>731014551>the game is fundamentally fuckedI agree with you. I'm saying "unoptimized" is not the right term because modern hardware is so extremely powerful that you don't need to write "optimized" code to have fast software anymore. Slow software like this is entirely the result of incompetence, not the result of "not optimizing."
>>731015062Yours doesn't?
>>731012647>it's totally deboonked but the mod also does actually increase FPSEven if it were entirely false, which it clearly isn't, it's still very much Capcom's fault the game gets so much bad press that said bad press is starting to get embellished You're not even replying to someone claiming it's about buying the DLC to fix the issue. So either your reading comprehension is worse, or you're just retarded and copy-pasting that
>>731010170Some companies like Capcom actively use malware owned by china. Denuvo is the big one
>>731015097I think all the naysayers should be very careful trying to say this is a nothingburger. I've got a good feeling we're going to find all kinds of new shit that is as bad as the DLC cat check
Reminder that this...
>>731015097>So either your reading comprehension is worse, or you're just retarded and copy-pasting thathttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/South%20America%2C%20India%2C%20Southeast%20Asia%2C%20Eastern%20Europe/
I just wish they'd remove Denuvo. Lies of P isnt an intensive game but I went from 60fps on 1440 to 240fps on 1440 without the weird stutter the moment they removed denuvo
>>731015093>>731015062>>731014893Works fine on my machine (dick). See a doctor.
>>731010170because (You) niggers keep paying for this shit
>>731015193...did this!
>>731015240But paggliaci, I am a doctor
>>731015208Uh oh somebody's got a very obvious posting style while also acting retarded and unnecessarily uppity!
>>731010170Because "game development" is a course universities offer.It's important to note that someone that went for uni for game development, isn't qualified for anything outside of the engines they used. And since UE5 is big, there's a lot less of a focus on coding which lends itself to less of a focus on thinking about the scale of their code.Optimisation isn't a thing because people that couldn't hold a 30 second dialogue on how a game engine works in any regard, physics, rendering, sound of anything, are the primary source of developers for games.Use the analogy of a car. How can you expect someone who's only ever worked on the tyres, never learnt anything except changing the tyres to replace engine parts? They literally could not tell you anything about it, expecting them to be able to diagnose a problem and fix it is retarded.
>>731015262This the new Terraria update?
>>731015154I think the DLC cat thing is just easy to immediately diagnose without any proper dev-side diagnostic toolsI'm sure lots of people could easily fix this game in a week if it were easier to profile the inner workings of the game
>>731010170corporate workers are in charge of one little microfield and don't care on molecule about the overall final product, especially since teams basically get mass fired and have to get a new job whenever what they're working on goes gold. If their competent personal work on knee hair textures goes in their portfolio they're satisfied.
>>731015262I think it is true that competent devs just don't go into gamedevI'm definitely not some expert coder, but even with a gorillion hours of games played throughout my life, I'd never leave my cushy high-pay scientific computing related job that I don't actually care about that muchI want to make game if and only if>I win the lottery>I can think of an idea for one :(
>>731012647>You see, it turns out that it's not the lack of DLC that is causing the performance problems, it's the game checking to see if you have it or not. In hub areas in certain conditions, Monster Hunter Wilds can flood the CPU with DLC checks and the upshot is that it does impact performance if you don't have DLC installed.So the lack of DLC is causing performance problems. What a shittu attempt to run defense.
>>731015658They absolutely don't anymore and it's been the case for a while>make entry level money making a billion dollar productVs>make fucking stacks using python farting out restaurant menu appThere are heaps of YouTube videos where some smug miserable Scandinavian programmer takes a game and improves its performance like 100fold in 20-30 minutes
>>731015671Not that anon but that doesn't make sense.If they're checking if you have the DLC, they're checking whether or not you have the DLC. It's not a case of "they're checking if you have the DLC only if you don't have the DLC" like you're claiming it does.Think about it for a moment lol. The claim that having the DLC makes it faster doesn't make sense at all.
>>731011083lol
>>731015819No idea but perhaps it then prepares the list of DLCs that you don't own in the menu based on the results of the checkIf you have them, then it doesn't botherWould be my guessI don't see why the game would run a check and not do anything with it... surely it's not that bad, right?
>>731010170Yeah because retards like you and pic related boughted and redeemed the generational hardware scams that kept being fed to you. So because you bought a 5090 and a 9800x3d as recommended by Linus race mixing tips you deserve to get fucked. Hopefully you continue to get fucked too
>>731016454Stay mad and poor
>>731016614>alleged rich fags that are terrible with money kicking and screaming every time a new game comes out because optimizationLol, lmao even
>>731015262legitimately looks better than bf6 lmfao
>>731015658More like they don't get hired anymore, it's why all shitty devs are using pajeet engine 5 instead of their own engine.
>>731010170If I would hazard a guess most of these games that perform like shit is a direct consequence of OOP and game shops letting 3rd world slave labour do most of the work.
>>731010407Shills were sucking Capcom's dick over a recent performance update that increased FPS by roughly the same amount
>>731013197Kill yourself Capcom bootlicker. You need to fucking die, I know you aren't a corporate shill. KYS
>>731010170QA is such a dead fucking industry in all areas of tech. Its infiltrated by people who don't know what they are doing and stealing cheques from big companies
>>731010170it's the same reason for every bad thing happening in the world: incels. it's always you mentally ill incels.
>>731016614Buy fags are the reason shit is fucked>dude this game is soo unoptimized!!!>buys the next 70 dollar slop because of content creators
Games are big business and optimization takes dev time that the suits won't pay for if they can just make you pay for better hardware instead.
>>731017426Sales fags too>I'd probably play wilds more if it didn't run like abject shit>YEAH BUT IT SOLD WELL DOE!!
>>7310158192 words: retry on failure
>>731015658>>I can think of an idea for one :(maplestory meets diablo 2side-scroller platformer with a big world where every monster has unique drops along some generic equipment/materials that can drop in certain level rangesadd a multiplayer aspect and a story and bam you're making billions
>>731014416That's exactly the sort of thinking they teach in MBA courses.
>>731015262German engineering
They hire 200 indians
>>731013850most devs never touch a profiler
