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Software Sales (physical only)

01./00. [NS2] Mario Kart World # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2025.06.05} (¥9.073) - 92.869 / 2.761.250
02./00. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu 2: Your Town Must Be There Too - Eastern Japan Edition + Western Japan Edition <TBL> (Konami) {2025.11.13} (¥7.255) - 61.588 / 294.142
03./00. [NS2] Momotaro Dentetsu 2: Your Town Must Be There Too - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition - Eastern Japan Edition + Western Japan Edition <TBL> (Konami) {2025.11.13} (¥8.164) - 52.848 / 241.383
04./00. [NS2] Pokemon Legends Z-A: Nintendo Switch 2 Edition # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2025.10.16} (¥7.389) - 52.360 / 1.056.514
05./00. [NSW] Pokemon Legends Z-A <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2025.10.16} (¥6.480) - 47.840 / 1.577.663
06./00. [NS2] Kirby Air Riders <RCE> (Nintendo) {2025.11.20} (¥8.164) - 47.712 / 472.549
07./00. [NS2] Donkey Kong Bananza <ACT> (Nintendo) {2025.07.17} (¥8.164) - 24.974 / 460.180
08./00. [NS2] Super Mario Party: Jamboree - Nintendo Switch 2 Edition + Jamboree TV <ETC> (Nintendo) {2025.07.24} (¥8.297) - 23.057 / 149.493
09./00. [NSW] Animal Crossing: New Horizons # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2020.03.20} (¥5.980) - 22.944 / 8.334.062
10./00. [NSW] Minecraft # <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600) - 18.843 / 4.128.035


Hardware Sales

Switch 2 – 313.838 (4.097.905)
PlayStation 5 – 46.753 (7.344.963)
Switch – 46.360 (36.462.483)
Xbox Series X|S – 281 (688.466)
PlayStation 4 – 25 (9.505.847)
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Stop
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>>731014618
>Switch 2 – 313.838 (4.097.905)
>PlayStation 5 – 46.753 (7.344.963)
LOL
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Yakuza 8 Sales Are "Strong", Especially In Japan and Asia

>Furthermore, sales in Japan and Asia seem to have made up a big part of this momentum, as Yokoyama notes, “The game is incredibly strong in Japan. Sales in (the rest of) Asia are also quite strong, but the momentum in Japan is even greater than in the past.”


>[NSW] Yakuza Kiwami – 2,280 / NEW
>[NS2] Yakuza 0 Director’s Cut – 7,486 / NEW
>[NS2] Yakuza Kiwami (SEGA, 11/13/25) – 4,122 (New)
>[NS2] Yakuza Kiwami 2 (SEGA, 11/13/25) – 5,267 (New)

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/like-a-dragon-infinite-wealth-dev-surprised-by-unprecedented-speed-of-sales-and-big-change-in-sales-pattern/
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>Tales of Arise sales by model PS=60%, PC=30%, Xbox=10% Japan sales: approx. 650,000

Sales by Region
>Japan & Asia ~1.2M
>North America ~1M
>EMEA >700k
>Latin America <100k

Ratio by model
>PS <60%
>PC <30%
>Xbox >10%
>Switch <0%
>Switch 2 <0%

https://www.mutyun.com/archives/225577.html
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>He takes the example of the launch of Metaphor: ReFantazio in early October: the title sold well in Japan, but it also performed extremely positively across the entire Asian continent, he tells us.

>It's not as lopsided as something like Yakuza but a bit less than half of Metaphor WW sales are in Asia (because EMEA remains relatively weak for historical reasons)

https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/media-create-sales-week-44-2024-oct-28-nov-03.3181/page-4#post-286641
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>>731015418
stay salty about not having a PS5
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Street Fighter 6 sold over 1 million copies in Japan (Number of units sold as of December 20, 2024)

>21. [NS2] Street Fighter 6 – 1,821 / 7,171

https://x.com/streetfighterja/status/1887305210781180094?s=46&t=iG06Fusk0-rV8wJwIf3_aQ
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>Ys X Digital Ratio by Model

>PS5 53%
>NSW 25%
>PS4 30%

https://hokanko-alt.com/archives/61855240.html
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Armored Core VI Sold Over 700k Copies In Japan.

>ARMORED CORE VI achieved a major success with over 700,000 units sold in Japan. Current sales reflects domestic sales.

https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/9468/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym13/143593/00.pdf
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When I said Sony should copy Nintendo more, this isn’t what I meant.
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>Armored Core VI Japan sales were 75% digital

https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/9468/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym13/143593/00.pdf
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>>731014618
>Switch 2 – 313.838 (4.097.905)
>PlayStation 5 – 46.753 (7.344.963)
OOOOFF, rough year for our snoytroons
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>>731015852
Funny part is even when you sue these companies they just keep doing it

This needs to result in jail time for these corpo pieces of garbage
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>>731015869
see
>>731015648
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>>731015954
amusingly enough there's no widespread campaign tantrum over drifting on joycons this time around despite NDSfags making mountains out of any molehill they can get their hands on
which means nintendo did fix the drifting issue despite not using hallmeme sticks
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>>731014618
>Switch 2 – 313.838 (4.097.905)
>PlayStation 5 – 46.753 (7.344.963)
keek, KEEEEEEEEEEEEK
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>>731015648
>>731016157
Why would I be mad about not having a room heater that is somehow more expensive than video game consoles like the switch 2?
You can get those for like 30 bucks tops anywhere.
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Oof, yikes, ohnono, those global holiday sales... This isn't bait. I think it'll end at a respectable 3DS tier lifetime sales, but nothing crazy.
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>>731016230
>>731016247
You don't have one, and you're salty every day about it. Cope about not having a real console.
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>>731014618
>Switch 2 – 313.838 (4.097.905)
>PlayStation 5 – 46.753 (7.344.963)
b-but the gaijin tax model was supposed to save us...
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>>731016312
It fell off hard in Nov 2025 in the USA
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>>731016382
why would i be salty about it when everything worthwhile AAA, indie and AA is releasing on the switch day 1 with your oversized chink phone for gachaslop is getting the late ports now?
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>>731016471
The switch 2 is getting games that PS5 had 5 years ago. None of this changes the fact that your console is inferior to the PS5.

>>731016432
>he thought it would flop and is crying about it selling tens of thousands weekly
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>>731014618
>PlayStation 5 – 46.753 (7.344.963)
>Switch – 46.360 (36.462.483)
It's still fucking wild to think a 8 year old console is still raping a current gen one once you consider PS portals and PSVRs are being counted as console sales.
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He claims that since you need the console, game and playstation online sub, it gets too expensive

So it's totally not the games fault

It's not like the game launched on other platforms or anything, lol

>Tsujimoto: That's correct. However, we also found that the "PS5 barrier" is unexpectedly large. The console costs about 80,000 yen in Japanese yen. When you factor in the cost of software and monthly subscriptions, it comes to about 100,000 yen at the time of purchase. This is not an amount that can be easily reached, especially for younger generations. This situation is not limited to Japan, but is similar overseas as well.
>Our next challenge is to overcome these obstacles and get Monster Hunter Wilds to as many people as possible. Sales will begin in the future, so we are currently formulating a strategy to take advantage of these opportunities to boost sales throughout the year.
>The Nintendo Switch 2 was released in June 2025 at a price of 49,980 yen (tax included), and the response was better than we had expected. While prices vary by country, this reaffirmed the high level of cost-consciousness among ordinary consumers.
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>>731016654
>It's not like the game launched on other platforms or anything, lol
that's not much of an attack on the game itself (even if the game is shit), it's more like admitting both the xbone and PC are dead platforms as well just like the pis5
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Thanks to you fuckers now by reflex I type "PiS5" on the jewtube search bar when looking up anything about the console.
Hope you're happy.
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>T-tendie-sama please buy my game… I’ll even sign your Mario poster
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>>731016654
Somehow they're trying to claim PS5 was the problem when an equivalent PC is many times more expensive and a Switch 2 is extremely close in price to the PS5.
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>>731016731
You know it's bad when not even chink money saved milds.
This plus the most recent taiwan tantrum basically guarantees japan sees both mutts AND chinks as dead markets not worth pandering to, which may be why even kadokawa is panic-pivoting into a japan-first approach.
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>>731015350
>p-please stop... MAAAAAWWWWWMMM!!
lol
lmfao
i love snoygger tears, tgere has never been anything more deserving or right in the world than a dirty NDS-riddled snoygger crying crocodile tears after being a deranged nigger shitting all over this board unabated for 17 fucking years
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>>731015852
All the big 3 companies use the same shitty joysticks components from the same shitty company. I’ve want through 2 Xbox controllers within a year and switched to a 3rd party one after and have been good since then.
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>could barely fill 5 threads in 48 hours
tendiexisters....... i think it may be over..........................
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>>731016654
Capcom will dream up every reason for the game flopping except it being shit and running like shit (need the entire CPU to check if you have all the dlc every frame goyim)
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>>731017479
i still find it funny how that optimization trick fell on their lap right as they had to panic port the game on the switch
it feels like a cosmic joke at crapcom's expense
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>>731017315
>Hehe ol’ funny jokes, now tendie-sama thank you for buying my game, I’ll bring you Rebirth this Christmas so look forward pls
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>>731018049
dunno what would be funnier, the idea that the shareholders are forcing them to do that kicking and screaming to fix the broken bridges with the switch install base, or that they are doing the humiliation ritual on their own willingly
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>>731017315
Makes it even more ironic that its on a cart no less.
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>>731018837
akshually it's a goykey release, not a cart proper
which means they did cling to that to the end
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>>731018576
Everything is the desired result. Bandai Namco is next to walk the line.
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>>731017315
>snoy were always faggots
>squareshit became massively retarded faggots the second they jumped ship to snoy
i'm noticing
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>>731019230
Bamco is likely doing it willingly after harada left their pipelines a fucked mess.
Actually wouldn't surprise me if (((the media))) starts to doomfag the "JP vidya industry dying because of poor switch 2 sales" once bamco starts laying off the dead weight pajeets, gooks and chinks to swear off hyperralism in their games.
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>>731016560
>"your console is inferior to the PS5."

My console:
>has games
pis5:
>NOGAEMS
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>>731019550
you know the humidifier is inferior when the pro loses to the switch 2 despite costing effectively double what a switch 2 does thanks to the dogshit CPU on the pis5 base and pro
that's gotta hurt when MUH PERFORMANCE MUH HIGH END CONSOLE was the last cope snoys had
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>Switch 2 – 313.838 (4.097.905)
>PlayStation 5 – 46.753 (7.344.963)
>Switch – 46.360 (36.462.483)
>30/30, 29/30, 30/30, 29/30

Kek
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>>731019961
She looks fat in a really weird way.
If not for the face looking kinda normal I would make a joke about how the video is just stretched horizontally for no reason.
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>>731020079
Girl is 4'5 maybe that's the reason you think she looks fat
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>>731019661
Why can ps5 run cyberpunk at 60fps with higher NPC density than switch 2 then?
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>>731020808
why can't the PS5 PRO run dragon quest at a stable 60, while the switch 2 can?
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>>731019661
inb4 "b-but elden ring, borderlands 4 and cawadoody 120fps" schizo shows up
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>>731020870
I dunno, but a ps5 pro can run nearly all third party games better than a switch 2 outside of some poorly optimized outlier. Not a good argument
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>>731020876
To be completely fair why are those not good examples? The switch 2 can’t run them that good if at all.
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>>731021061
>"It's okay when we call it bad ports because our console cost more"
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>>731014618
a self made humiliation ritual.
very fun
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>>731021308
The ps5 is barely any more expensive than a switch 2 though. Trust me, there are plenty of bad ports for the switch 2 as well
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>>731021330
Everything on the switch 2 is upscaled as well pretty much. Also that’s not a good example. Death stranding 2 runs at a clean 1440/60fps with arguably the best visuals this generation
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>>731016230
>executive-san we NEED a table for our resentation
>ah gomen buy a shitty plastic X shaped table
Man sony truly does think their dumbass buttons are somehow iconic or important.
It's so gay.
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>>731016312
If you genuinely think that you are a massive fucking retard anon
It'll do over 120mil. Minimum.
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>>731021507
The buttons are the only first party IP Sony hasn't killed
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>>731014618
>07./00. [NS2] Donkey Kong Bananza <ACT> (Nintendo) {2025.07.17} (¥8.164) - 24.974 / 460.180
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>>731021716
jej
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>>731021574
So ps5 numbers roughly then
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>>731019550
I wnt to KILL that cat.

>>731019404
>bamco starts laying off the dead weight pajeets, gooks and chinks to swear off hyperralism in their games.
one can fucking hope
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>>731014618
>No top 30
Fake ass thread. Kys.
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>>731014618
>Chris Chan thread
https://youtu.be/35N3SO2H7IE?si=a1bKQhFNinkCHnWq
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>>731021716
I mean they did though.
Given they swapped X and O in Japan.
So even this is inaccurate.
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>>731021915
Buttons weren't killed, they simply Transitioned. How forward thinking of Sony! Hooooyyyyypppppp!
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>>731021810
the ps5 isn't even at 80mil anon.
And no I'm not using sony's own numbers that qualify refurbished, returned, or repired units as an extra sale and count a portal as a ps5.
The ps5 is at like 60mil.
It's dead in the water. It has no games this year and virtually every 3rd party title is out on Switch2.
The ps5 will be lucky to cross 90mil.
Stay mad over that FACT.
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>>731019661
>Better first party games
>Equal third party support
>Now better performance too

It truly is over for PS in Japan lmao
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>>731021915
Is there a good reason on why they changed it in Japan? Or was it just to piss off the japanese players?
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>>731022074
RE9 looks better on ps5 than switch 2

>>731022032
Ps5 is likely at 90m as we speak. Continue the cope.
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>>731014618
obsessed.
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>>731019661
>pedo still shilling a demo
Elden Ring when?
Borderlands 4 when?
Scamtendo 2 not being expensive dogshit when?
Mentally ill ninpedies not killing their parents over a shit tablet when?
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>>731022141
Is this chucklefuck actually trying to defend/rationalize Refurbished Barrierstation 5s? Holy N.Sanity (Switch Edition)
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>>731022074
>Schizo is happy to pay for amiibos
Grim
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>>731022141
>RE9 looks better on ps5 than switch 2
it looks the same

>inb4 "b-but the ps5 version is slightly more detailed"
it looks the same
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>>731022287
RE9 will have much higher resolution, detail and fps on ps5 than switch 2. Time to face reality. Nintendo cannot handle real games
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>>731022284
Amiibos or not, figs are cool, and amiibos are pretty good budget figs.
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>>731021898
okay
https://youtu.be/2c0y7D74YC8?si=bH9QbZHA7UlvvY1d
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>>731022403
Typical tendie behavior.
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>>731021716
>>731021915
The PS5 controller killed the colors from them.
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>>731022141
the ps5 isn't even at 70mil.
And you damn well know it.
Sony puts a million exceptions on their numbers like cucks.
enjoy your over heating paper weight.
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>>731022363
>Time to face reality. Nintendo cannot handle real games
Yet RE9 runs perfect on switch 2

>inb4 "b-but we have slightly better textures"
it looks the same
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>>731017000
Well, this is a new way to falseflag.
A snoy made the thread, a Nintendo fan tells the snoy to stop, so the snoy pretends to be a Nintendo fan, and act as if the roles were switched.
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>>731022531
>having to choose between your internet gf and PSN account
>tendie behavior
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>>731022360
>clutching pearls
>on MY 4chan?
Begone ye, devilcuck
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Slop machine 2 KWABOTY
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11. [NSW] Super Mario Party Jamboree (Nintendo, 10/17/24) – 4,654 (1,469,141)
12. [SW2] Super Mario Party Jamboree – Nintendo Switch 2 Edition + Jamboree TV (Nintendo, 07/24/25) – 4,157 (149,493)
13. [NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Nintendo, 12/07/18) – 4,086 (5,866,193)
14. [SW2] Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment (Koei Tecmo, 11/06/25) – 3,752 (161,436)
15. [NSW] Nintendo Switch Sports (Nintendo, 04/29/22) – 3,679 (1,686,832)
16. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure (Nintendo, 10/18/19) – 3,028 (3,768,448)
17. [NSW] Super Mario Galaxy + Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo, 10/02/25) – 2,914 (145,502)
18. [NSW] Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics (Nintendo, 06/05/20) – 2,801 (1,469,703)
19. [NSW] Dragon Quest I & II HD-2D Remake (Square Enix, 10/30/25) – 2,613 (325,917)
20. [NSW] Tamagotchi Plaza (Bandai Namco, 06/26/25) – 2,374 (225,305)
21. [SW2] Dragon Quest I & II HD-2D Remake (Square Enix, 10/30/25) – 2,118 (143,306)
22. [SW2] Tamagotchi Plaza – Nintendo Switch 2 Edition (Bandai Namco, 06/26/25) – 1,983 (92,833)
23. [NSW] Splatoon 3 (Nintend0, 09/09/22) – 1,935 (4,508,025)
24. [NSW] Run for Money: Hunters vs. Runners! Can You Win as Either? (D3 Publisher, 12/04/25) – 1,595 (9,500)
25. [NSW] Pokemon Scarlet / Pokemon Violet (The Pokemon Company, 11/18/22) – 1,452 (5,657,261)
26. [PS5] Ghost of Yotei (SIE, 10/02/25) – 1,415 (203,748)
27. [NSW] Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba – The Hinokami Chronicles 2 (Aniplex, 08/01/25) – 1,410 (180,647)
28. [SW2] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild – Nintendo Switch 2 Edition (Nintendo, 06/05/25) – 1,341 (50,579)
29. [NSW] Super Mario Bros. Wonder (Nintendo, 10/20/23) – 1,290 (2,060,492)
30. [NSW] The Exit 8 / Platform 8 (PLAYISM, 11/28/24) – 1,241 (84,321)
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>>731022743
you'd know all about snoy falsefalgging given you are one faggot.
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>>731022987
>26. [PS5] Ghost of Yotei (SIE, 10/02/25) – 1,415 (203,748)
Oof, these legs are... hrm. How do I put this? Wouldn't by all conventional metrics, these legs be described as 'rough'?

Struggling to meet Day 1 sales of GoT... that's like a whole new definition of rough, a brand new rock bottom. GoY skipped leg day, sad.
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>>731019661
PS5 renders at a higher resolution. This level of disingenuous posting is only made by snoys
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If snoys were such repugnant vile pedomanic excusing shitbags I might honestly feel bad that they lost Horizon Zero Dawn as amn exclusive and need Nintendo to save it (we aint buying that trash btw), byt really you reap the extremely negative karma you sow
So...really......what I'm saying is.....-5,000karma to sony
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>>731022192
>Elden Ring when?
This year, did you miss the announcement or something?

https://www.nintendo.com/en-gb/Games/Nintendo-Switch-2-games/ELDEN-RING-Tarnished-Edition-2791969.html
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>>731023223
It's especially bad considering GoT didn't have an install base
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>>731023509
>the lube pedo projecting
Beyond subhuman.
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>>731014618
What a pity...
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>>731021352
>The ps5 is barely any more expensive than a switch 2 though.
It was >30k yen more expensive in Japan (which would be like 300 dollars / euros for the native there) so hardly worth the price for differences that are either barely perceptible due of games looking pretty much the same between platforms or simply the average consumer not giving a fuck about performance (nobody complained about the way the PS4 ran games for example).

>>731022363
>Time to face reality. Nintendo cannot handle real games
We're just getting ports of Dynasty Warriors Origins and FF7 remake, and both are confirmed to be excellent ports that are near identical to the PS5 version
https://youtu.be/ACYPq7Cos-w
which is again pretty impressive considering that the Switch 2 is still a 12W ~ 25W hybrid machine
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>>731022115
SIE hates Japan
What other reason would you change something that's culturally ingrained and wasn't a problem on 4 previous generations of controllers?
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>>731022115
there were leaks around the tail end of the ps4 era that it was done literally just to piss off the jp players
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>>731015852
Unlike the joy-cons, the PS5 controller is far more difficult to repair and requires soldering. But documentation is considerably light since snoy will just buy a new one.
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731023643
>inbred snoy doesn't know what a 'movie' is despite being the only thing his shitbox plays
Incredibly pathetic
-10,000karma
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>Stellar Blade sold over 600k in Japan
These echo chamber cultist threads made by Chase Miller and Chris chan couldn't be more irrelevant.
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>>731023585
This is just revenge cope because we made fun of GTA6 being delayed a billion times
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>>731023643
>pedo mentioned Sony
>pedo is now coping with movies
Infinite negative karma for Jewtendo and the lube rapist.
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>>731023803
What a way to piss of your customers and the fact that they also raised the price of the PS5 like 3 times there
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Chase Miller lives rent free in your mind, schizo.
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>>731024036
>Stellar blade so-ACK
Not on PS5 for sure
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>>731024073
At least the Switch 2 port of Elden Ring is shown and playable at event kiosks, with the latest build versions proving that From Soft is trying hard to optimize (despite optimization was never their forte).
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>>731024202
>>pedo is now coping with movies
Didn't the CEO of that prostitution business disguised as a toy company say that movies and toys are more important than Mario and Diddy Kong?
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>>731024261
>Physical
No wonder you're banned from every forum KEK
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>>731024324
Nintendo should just send like 4 people from Koei-Tecmo and Monolithsoft yo expedite the process, they seem to know their way around S1+2 system architecture
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>>731023753
Doesn’t the switch 2 run ff7 at 30fps?
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>>731015852
why is this retard complaining about sony cheaping out when he's using ai slop to post
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731024341
>diddy kong
Massive retard
And no such was never stated.
So
-20,000karma to sony.
At this rate we'll get wolverine too...unless it gets shit canned
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>>731022727
Sony can’t lie to investors. Around 90m shipped to retailers. Period. Will easily cross 100m
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>>731023719
This is fake, the lube grandpa said that Nintendo has nothing to worry about and Sony is the one that is fucked, I believe him over some Nippon expert.
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>>731024341
>say that movies and toys are more important than Mario and Diddy Kong?
P-Please visit the museum...
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>>731016993
what site is that?
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>>731024441
Bandai Namco has a bunch of tech wizards who helped Sandslot to port over Earth Defense Force 4.1 on the first Switch. But I assume From Soft wants to keep the indecency of their IP.
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>>731024556
>shipped
You're not necessarily wrong, but 100M consoles sold still doesn't help with the software. Sony's too comfortable skimming off MTXs.
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>>731024324
Exactly, this retard thinks elden ring on S2 is in a similar situation when in reality it got delayed because FromSoft want to improve performance. Meanwhile GTA6 hasn't shown gameplay, it's been reported that the game is still not done and there's more signs pointing that it's going to get delayed once more
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>>731024202
Kek it's always like this SONYSONYSONY seething 24/7, write Zelda and Sony in the same sentence and suddenly muh gayems, it doesn't count for my retarded console wars despite me seething about Sony every single day of the year and lie about literally everything, let me pretend I won... AAAIIIIEEEE!!!
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>>731019049
OG 7 was on a cart
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>>731024556
sony has lied to investors for decades. so cope about it.
no one wants your shitbox.

>>731024732
isn't the ER IP split between FS, bamco and maybe martin?
From seems to have done a good job at the port so far thus I'm not worried either way.
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>Mr. Drillere episode of GCCX
>Arino screws up a continue because he got used to X and O being flipped on the PS5
Amazing how one decision can ruin so much muscle memory that it even affects your past consoles.
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>begging for wolverine
Meanwhile the bogeyman just sold Zelda to Netflix and will sell it again and again and again till the end of times.
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>>731025287
Bingtendo getting nothing...



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