>mang0 and aMSa retires in the same weekis melee finally dead?
>>731021190god i hope so. i hate smash and nintendo fans so much. play a real fighting game like 3s
>>731021190GDQ'd
>no more melee, plays league instead
>>731021190Been dead for awhile, mang0 being cancelled finally buried the corpse. Nothin but trannies now
>>731021446>play a real fighting game like [kuso]ST is where it's at
>>731022008ST is fucking shit unc. Randomized damage and stun values, nonsensical glitches as meta as tech, vega.
It'll probably never truly die, people will still be playing it specifically.It might not have as many majors or livestreamed events, but it's as massive as CS where it'll always exist in some form, even if it doesn't exactly look like Melee.
>>731022462>It might not have as many majors or livestreamed events, butthis means the scene is dead, which is what im referring to in OP. it "existing" isnt what im talking about
>>731022557I've never heard of people using dead as "it's not directly in front of my face anytime I want it". Are zoomers redefining words now?
>>731022735if the scene dies, then its dead
>>731021190aMSa didn't retire.
>>731022925he said hes not going to any tournaments in 2026, the writing on the wall is there. he's going to retire. 2027 will come around, he'll likely enter like a few tournaments then actually retire.
>>731023004No, he said he's going to focus on his new job, but he still wants to go to Genesis or Supernova.
>>731021190Mang0's been retired for years, he just didn't want to admit it because of Armada. He's been sandbagging tourney after tourney.
>>731021190>aMSa retiringDon't lie to me
>>731023484His heart wasn't in it, but he said something like>I'm never playing Melee [competitively] again>If I do, you know I'm broke and League of Legends isn't paying the bills>I don't want to go to tournaments without a sponsor, it's too expensive and I'm too oldand then said some stuff about drinking again that didn't sound great. Dude sounds clinically depressed.
>>731024831>drinking because its fun = le depression
>>731021190been dead to me since they banned Hax$ and especially after they murdered them. only troons left and troon fuckers who are impossible to like so no one gives a fuck even if they're da best pwayer ever by playing the best character in the gayest way possible.
>>731024914No, like he literally SOUNDS depressed, you dumb cunt
>>731024951
>>731021190Pretty much>troons coping saying locals are doing greatNever let troons take over your hobby, they will kill it.
>>731025059holy based context
>>731024981>quitting smash and drinking at events it sounds like he just wants to live his life without worrying about petty smash players breathing down his neck anymore. "quitting drinking for a year" was just him trying to appease the smash community. hes not a depressed alcoholic and theres nothing wrong with drinking if you genuinely just enjoy doing it.
>>731021190Mang0 was the one that held Melee together and with him gone its not gonna last. There will still be tournaments but its well past its prime.
>>731024914He's an alcoholic asshole, and I mean a BAD one.
Do you think TOs are shitting themselves for letting him get banned and never coming back?
>>731025570Fuck no. Why would they?
>>731025448Well there's Zain. And Cody. And Moky.And, uh...
>>731025650Melee has no players worth watching now meaning less money for tournaments.
>>731025715They don't care.
>>731025570they are happy hes gone and would prefer melee to be 100% trans supporters. they arent smart enough to think ahead and question if this is actually good for the scene
>>731025715>melee>moneylmaojust kidding, money does actually matter to these people now. the melee community isn't like 80% high schoolers and college kids whose only financial concerns are how to physically get to a tournament anymore. melee is going full content creator / online tournament mode soon, i think. good on hbox for hosting box / locals, though i don't think it's going to be financially sustainable.
melee has 6 sponsored players left and some of them are meme sponsors
>>731021190>mang0has been gigawashed for like a decade, who cares>aMSaRIPhGOD won btw
>>731025448Melee has been dying for years, mango getting raped out of top 8 wasn't keeping melee together. The problem is the general shit state of esports overall plus the new top players are charisma voids.
>>731025190your health?
mang0 being fake remorseful about his alcohol addiction is really cringe
>>731026763Top 1% are going to be charisma voids just from the politically correct state of things as a side effect. You can't shit talk, have beef, etc. You're only allowed to go and play.
>>731026938he doesnt have an addiction to alcohol
Mang0 getting cancelled was the death sentence for the game. He was keeping the community together with his personality.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWzdR3P9XTASmash will be a party game with Deltarune characters like it was always meant to be and we'll get a final documentary in 20 years called "The Dark History of Melee"
>>731021190it's been dead and the only way for a proper rival is to rip out all of the current "leaders" by the roots and burn themit's diseased to its core and needs to be wiped clean
>>731025675>zainmanchild who lives in mommy and daddy's mansion and has always had every resource he ever needed and turned on Hax$ and made a tweet saying he's crazy before he killed himself>codyextemely hateable retarded freak who abuses his ADHD meds to the point he bled on stage, lied about fucking his mom which is the weirdest fucking shit that I can't even believe anyone was able to just move past, fucks troons, tried to force Hax$ to be in debt to him and go to college for no fucking reason to have a CHANCE at MAYBE being unbanned and change his whole life and trajectory after Hax$ already spent his life doing what he wanted to do>mokygay random twink guy who looks like a teenager and discount pc chrisshit's unwatchable
>melee is dying>ultimate is dying everywhere except Japan, and it's AIDS everywhere>smash 6 hasn't even been announced>multiversus is dead>riot canceled their platform fighter because multiversus diedthere has never been a better time for someone to make a platform fighter
>>731027345>rivals 2 is the only viable option>people still dont play it because its ass
>>731027345rivals of aether 2 just added steam workshop support, so there's at least a 1% chance things improve for party game niggas
>>731027418except rivals 2 is sick. it even has the plup / asumsaus seal of approval https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hmKIQS1-fI
>>731027062it's not normal drinking the amount of alcohol mang0 has despite him and society gaslighting you into thinking it is
>>731027579>not normal>society says it's normalisn't that what makes something normal? not saying he isn't an alcoholic though. he obviously is kek
>>731021190So what's the whole story with Vicwingly why was he jerking off at the gym?
>>731027532That's not going to matter for a while, at least until people get used to 3D workflow. People underestimate how much work it is, even if UE's tools are more robust than Game Maker's.
>>731027560rivals 2 is boring. all of the combos are stale and boring compared to melee. the neutral is boring. the characters are boring, they dont do anything interesting. the game is too easy and simple to be fun, and it allows players who would otherwise be trash to compete with me which i especially do not enjoy
>>731027685okay, but i disagree with your broad generalizations with no supporting evidence, nor do i have any interest in arguing in good faith with you myself. feel free to keep posting about bad players beating you.
>>731026763>"slippy is going to lead to a new age of melee">the new age of meleeof all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: nintendo wins again
>>731027828>supporting evidenceim telling you how i feel about the game. what evidence are you expecting?
>>731021190As long as Hbox wants to keep smash alive, both Melee and Ultimate will be able limp along as shadows of their former selves. There's a slim chance that Melee can still make a comeback if they unban Zion and players like Jmook and RapMonster up their skill level enough to win tourneys.
>>731027961Melee died years agoBased Brawl wins again
>>731027925>player DIs correctly and saves their jump>survives a spike at 50% by using all of their resources in a game where you play the wallThere's nothing wrong with thisAlso I've played this guy a lot, I like fighting him
>>731027560lol watched this a few days ago and lost interest when he got to rivals2, the characters are repellant
>>731024914He's an alcoholic. I know few because I'm finnish.No, it doesn't matter if "you drink for fun" if you NEED to drink. Add depression on top of that and it's a horrid combo. My friend's uncle killed himself like that.No, drinking alcohol sometimes for fun isn't bad. But Mang0 has been drinking so much and long(since he was like a teen or before) it's borderline part of him. My dad started smoking cigarettes when he was like 10, and you just don't quit it. Its part of your daily routine. Its part of your life.Like I want Mang0 to stop drinking because he clearly can't handle it and is just a coping mechanism. If you can't have fun without alcohol, then it isn't good for you.When it comes to depression, that is just professional help thing and proper support group. But can be other things like current political climate in USA and how rest of the world views the country. Hard to be proud of your country or patriotic in general when your country does some questionable shit. Don't wanna get too political, but I was ashamed for my country for the first time in my life when our right-wing "maga" party did the fucking "le Asian eyes" shit to try and distract from their current government fucking shit up(unemployment, throwing money to rich and foreign corpos like Google), aka larping USA idpol shit to try and create drama. Didn't work tho and I got to explain to my nippon friends that shit when the news spread to China, Korea, Japan trio.So seeing how USA is doing their stuff right now with bombing, ICE, and other shit, it must be a huge hit. Then you are banned for like six more months, and just play streamer slop rather than your fav game that you are the GOAT of.I feel bad for Mang0. Not parasocial shit, just makes me sad to see people go through rough stuff.
>>731027828NTA, but while I think Rivals is an amazing game, as a mid level player it's insufferable because of how strong flowchart play is for every single character. Mid level players are buffed way too hard in Rivals, which sucks because mid level tryhards are the most boring players to play against in the world and that's what you'll be fighting for 90% of your time online.
>>731021190funny how all the trannies thought melee would survive without mango and joined the dogpilling LMAO
>>731028228>There's nothing wrong with thisi know theres nothing wrong with it, it's just lame. that's what ive been trying to drive at here. it's just a lame, boring game
Meleefags, this is your mindset
>>731029034that was sick, too bad it didn't kill
>>731029251it should kill, thats the issue. thats what makes this game lame
>>731024914Have you seen that niggas facial hair? You only let it get that bad when you truly don’t care anymore
>>731029176Who is this blue checkmark? The fighting game watchdog house nigga?
>>731029176>>731029630Also is he on wheels
>>731029447it shouldn't. you're ignoring the mechanics of the game.
>>731030193then the mechanics of the game needs to be changed if they expect me to play it. if melee feels more satisfying to play because of its mechanics why would i play rivals 2 where the combos are more boring due to the games mechanics?
>>731029176>omfgbbq that literally who did bad things and happens to play melee guys this is a scoop watch my 3 hours video essay!!!Dramafaggots need to be killed
Why the fuck would the game die? Are you trying to imply its 90% spectators or something?
....You guys want Melee to be treated as a fighting game but somehow the idea of new blood is foreign to you because the old guard is retiring?
>>731028434dude shut up
>>731031958the new blood is full of trannies and faggots who can't take jokes and cancel whomever says something "slightly problematic"melee has to die
>2D fighters managed to cement themselves into a real genre>Good tournament players manage to adapt through several games and stay at the top of the leaderboards despite major system changes>Platform fighters barely have any entries in the genre>melee oldfags just stay on their game anywayplatform fighters are kinda fun, why is the only thing in common between them the fact leffen is a faggot
>>731021190They really thought Mango would come back after they turned on him like a pack of ravenous dogs.I'm astounded lmfao
>>731022008>kuso
>>731021190People act like this game is only good for competitive play but all the movement tech makes playing through the single player content fun. A campaign like subspace with melee movement would be great
>>731031819>all interesting players quit>most of the tournaments are cancelledwhy wouldn't it die?
>>731021190Who?
>>731032496Color me surprised, man. This isn't my treehouse but it always looked like you guys were going to be around forever.
>>731032493>A campaign like subspace with melee movement would be greatThat literally exists, Project+ has working Subspace
>>731021190no
>>731032120No.
Haven't kept up with the game since I was a teenager, beside the one amsa win has anyone beside spacies or marth won a major? Are characters like falcon and peach still considered solo viable?
>>731021190I was heavily into smash melee as a young teen. I was the best in my school. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Get a fucking job. inb4 brown boy rage
>>731021190Nah but its definitely dying down, the trans discord infection didn't help. Infact it probably expediated its downfall. It'll still live on via netplay but tournaments will die off for sure. The new generation of smashers is too involved in social justice, which is unattractive to people who don't wanna be involved in politics, and just want to PLAY A FUCKING GAME. The real TO's like rob "juggleguy" harn moved on, the new gen won't be able to put in time or money without injecting trans semen into everything so yea its dead.
>>731033023aMSa won more than just one. Jmook's won majors with Sheik. Hbox is still around. The game is mainly dominated by two people.
>>731031958I'm not against it.Majority of players and spectators aren't against it either.>"muh pronouns and trans people etc."Sorry, but it is 2020s. It is just plain normal no matter how much you insist otherwise. Like I want to emphatize this. It is socially acceptable and normal thing these days, even if /v/ or whatever 3rd world country you are from obsesses over it.Majority of anons here don't even play Melee, they just at best watches majors and complains. Hell some anons on these threads don't even watch Melee but pretends to know how Melee community should act.Seriously how many here even goes to Majors? Nationals? Locals?If you don't at least(or more like you fucking should) support your locals you have no say in fucking anything.
>>731023484>he just didn't want to admit it because of Armada>
>>731021190After Hax's death it deserves to die.Fuck melee, fuck the TOs, fuck sakurai, and fuck nintendo. To hell with all of them.
>>731033081are you really still mad about evo. that ship sailed a long time ago man
it already was losing its appeal when armada retired. Slippi revitalized the corpse for a while but I think it also dashed away the last bit of soul the game had when it allowed anybody to pour hours of practice via discord netplay instead of local meetups.
>>731031958>Melee as a fighting gamecommunity veteran of 22 years here. I never wanted this but also, it was always an impossibility for it to last long term. The community not only does not direct itself with any sort of decency in both language and how they act (Smoking weed and vapes and shit at events, drinking) they involve themselves in politics so heavily now any major sponsors did, are currently, and will always back away.Personal accountability for their actions is like kryptonite to Smashers. "NO I DINDU NUFFIN" rings a bell. No you DID somethin and it drove all the sponsors away. I gaurantee you right now, as someone whose been around, worked in, and has been involved with esports, Cloud 9 was LOOKIN for a reason to drop mang0 like a sack of potatoes.
>>731033528Slippi was doing great during racist COVID knockdowns but then Nintendo shut them down from doing tournament streams and fell off. Nintendo being niggers has done the most damage to the smash scene
>>731024914>>drinking because its fun?fucking degenerate alcoholic
These are the only majors left. I remember when I first learned about this website there was always like 8-12 upcoming majors to look through.
>>731029447>it should killwhy
Who is up for some Slippi Netplay?
The best case scenario for the future of Smash is Nintendo's stock price cratering them into bankruptcy. Then Project+ can take it's rightful place as most popular platform fighter and save the genre
>>731025675Unlikable shitheels.
>>731028434neitimäinen löysarannehomo
>>731033975if nintendo goes outta business do all their patents expire or still count? like could we get immediate mario clones make by other companies?
>>731033961Not in US so can't.
>>731033656theres incredible irony that ludwig wanted to use his wealth to save melee and instead he ended up putting a huge spotlight on mango's alcoholism and ended a crowd favorite's career
>>731034119I've played with anons from Europe and it was fine. Maybe an extra frame of delay at most. Whoever complains about that is a retard, nobody is near the level of skill where it makes a difference.
there's no other games from 20 years ago that still have an active playerbase. its pretty obvious that melee is on the way out
>>731027345Why does EVERY smash clone die? Even Rivals 2 is struggling right now.
>>731033923>why should this off-stage 4-hit combo that sent him all the way to the bottom next to the blast zone and away from the stage kill?lol. what is this, smash ultimate?>after all of that and how far he was sent he could still just airdodge up and upB to the stageseeing that happen would make any sane person uninstall this game and return to melee or wherever they came from. the game just isnt for the creative player. it's for the boring bread-n-butter player.
>>731034381>Why does EVERY smash clone die?theyre all shit>Even Rivals 2 is struggling right now.rivals 2 is the least shit, but still shit nonetheless
>>731032493I wish people who were deeper into Smash would play more casual game modes more. I think mistakenly attribute to Smash being more popular than regular fighters because of it being easier to play, but I think the fact Smash has exponentially more game modes than a typical 1v1 format is what really saved it from being niche.
aMSa accomplished what he set out to do why not go out on top? And I hope mang0 gets his life together and never looks back. That insufferable kike Cody can have melee the current scene is rotten.
>>731030497And I'm saying that what's being posted are clips of spikes not killing people at low %, ignoring how edgeguarding actually works differently in a different game. This isn't the first month after release anymore, people know how to edgeguard now.There are plenty of flaws with Rivals 2, including >>731028640, but you have to play the game on its own terms rather than thinking it's going to play like any other game in the genre. Finishing your food when edgeguarding is not that hard, even against characters with great recoveries.
>>731034191I've never understood the discourse around blaming Ludwig for this whole thing. I'd understand shitting on him for being stupid enough to bring mango on camera and give him a shitton of alcohol, but it's still obviously not his fault that mango is a tard
>>731029034And it's for furries
Would rather play Slap over Rivals 2 anyday.
i miss smash 4
>>731034698Make a lobby.
>>731034284doesn't korea still have starcraft 1 leagues? or is that scene also as busted as melee's?
>>731032493>A campaign like subspace with melee movement would be greatYou would never, ever, ever play let alone buy a platform fighter single player game. Hate posts like this.
>>731034601>boring easy BnB combocase in point. and i did play the game, its just too easy and simple to be fun. it also doesnt allow for enough creativity, especially with its edgeguarding.>>731034698im glad asumsaus' new video brought a little life to slap city for a few days.
>>731034768There's AoE II as well.
>>731033328>It is just plain normalMaybe in cali but here on the east coast it's fucking weird
>>731034381>Rivals 2 is struggling right nowRivals 2 needs casual content to live, and that's not happening until at least 2027, maybe coinciding with console release. Yes, Workshop is out, but don't expect to see good characters for at least 3 months. I don't think Evo will help the game that much, but it's impressive that it's there at all.Part of it is every Smash clone that isn't NASB2, RoA1, RoA2, and Slap City being shit, but especially the ones that actually reached an audience like NASB1 and Multiversus. Part of it is that Smashfags play Smash because it's Smash, not because it's a platform fighter. Competitive Ultimate players have no excuse, they are mentally ill. Part of it is that because Smashfags are playing Smash, there aren't enough casual players to populate lower ranks, which leads to low- and mid-level players getting frustrated when they're matched with platinum and diamond players (who are still mid-level, but better than them).There's a lot of reasons, really.
>>731034593>never ranked number 1>got last place at his most recent tournament>>accomplished what he set out to do>>why not go out on top?
>>731022107>nonsensical glitches as meta as techlike jump block OS... oh wait that's a 3rd strike thing. or charge partitioning ? oh wait that's also 3rd strike. >ummm vegayea it kinda sucks having a character that dominates every match up at least 7-3... oh wait that's 3s chun, claw at least has many near even match ups. >umm ST has random stun valuesand it's rarely a factor given they are in a set range... you know what's completely random though... judgement.
>>731035014winning with yoshi was the goal
>>731021190Melee will never be dead to me, regardless of competitive drama>>731022462It's still the fastest paced Smash Game so it has that and much more going for it>>731027242Why am I nostalgic for these old Captchas?
>>731034753Another time maybe, it is past midnight here. I'm honestly pretty trash, I just like playing Slap casually.>>731034889Might check that video out too.
>>731034889>it also doesnt allow for enough creativity, especially with its edgeguarding.Sounds like a (You) problem, I play the game because the edgeguarding is fun
>>731034768yea good shout they get like ~50k viewersBut it's got to help that they a) don't have blizzard actively trying to shut them down and b) don't have a completely degenerate culture
>>731033309lame
>>731035014>never ranked number 1Never will be. Even playing out of his mind Yoshi has obvious issues and will never be as consistant as Fox/Marth/Puff. He won the hardest supermajor of all time and proved Yoshi could be played at the highest level that's more than enough.
>>731034632He literally kept telling him to keep drinking and celebrating how high he blew into the breathalyzer
>>731035131these are just stock combos that are only interesting to people who are impressed by literally anything. like jiggling keys in front of a baby
>>731034885They're saying if it had another campaign added to melee not a fuckin single player game with one mode i think
> one retarded manchildren retired because he's just too stupid to control himself>the other one actually has a family and a fulltime joblmao
>>731032454These gay ass kimono men pics are as annoying and obnoxious as the Skull emoji
>Dies>Takes the scene with himHax had the last laugh
>>731035000No one thinks fox is honest
>>731035207yeah but normal people can drink even to a blackout level without humping random womenthats actual weird nigger shit. I don't think I even saw that once during all of college and we didn't have cameras trained on us
>>731035000NASB1 was such a mistake of a game that it not only killed any good will towards its much better sequel, but it also simultaneously killed how future crossover platfighters will be seen. It also murdered Ludosity's reputation despite only 1 faggot who was barely relevant to their company working on it.
