>>731032317
Because then the government would send the police and they won't mind beating the shit out of Wily and his human cohorts

Source that he's bound by Asimov's 3 laws?

>>731032317
Because he's more than a robot. DIE WILY!!

>>731032317
Megaman can non-lethally subdue humans, that is why Willy has a last-second escape plan after Rock bust his capsules

>>731032627
At the end of Megaman 7, Megaman tells Wily that he's sick of his bullshit, and charges his buster while staring right at him. Wily tells him he can't do anything because Wily is human. Megaman can't give a counterargument and puts down the buster. Bass then warps in, grabs Wily and bolts.
(in the English translation, Megaman was given the reaction of getting mad and yelling at Wily to die but he still puts his buster down and doesn't actually do anything)

>>731032317
Megaman 4

>>731032317
Because Wily is an arrogant prick who doesn't work well with others. Shit, most of the robot masters in his employ he either hacked or tricked into working for him. The last human partner he had was Light and you saw how well that turned out.

>>731032627
Mega Man X's intro mentions the first law of robotics in the warning text scroll. Unless those laws were put in place in-universe after Mega Man, you could reason that the blue bomber followed them, too.

>>731032317
They're not bound by any laws those are just ideas that robots are supposed to follow like if they were then how is wily able to reprogram robots to turn evil

>>731033463
he emagged them

>>731033463
Asimov's laws while not actual laws right now are hard programmed into robots so even if logically killing Wily would solve everything they can't pull the trigger because it's hardwared in them. That's the reason X was such a big deal about choosing to not follow them because those concepts were softwared in him even if he did go through the morality testing. He could just ignore them.

>>731034309
There's at least one story about a robot making a low number of humans suffer to improve humanity as a whole, but it's from the short stories so probably before he thought of the 3 laws as hard rules

>>731032317
His goal is to prove how amazing he is at robotics, not to become a mafia boss. Relying on human minions to overcome Megaman would be an admission that his robots aren't as good as Dr. Light's.

>>731032317
>>731032483
Would Megaman be willing to kill a cyborg then?

Are the Three Laws of Robotics the biggest "I don't actually know what these are" in all of media? Everyone who brings them up makes it clear they never read Asimov's works that made them up in the first place.

>>731035172
i know the point of them actually is why they are actually bad or a net negative for humanity but most media plays it straight without really thinking of any trickle-down effects

>>731035172
Maybe, but I think the first one is pretty reasonable enough. You can always also use those three laws as a springboard for writing how robots can go wrong, just like how Asimov did.

>>731035220
>i know the point of them actually is why they are actually bad or a net negative for humanity
The laws? Naw man the only thing that's portrayed as bad is an overreliance on robutts in general

>>731035463
That's why you go for reploibutt instead of robutts.

>>731035172
I don't see how OP used them wrong

>>731035463
>robit decides the best way to prevent harm is to keep you permanently sedated in a cage underground

>>731035678
I don't remember that, which short story does that happen in?
The First Law specifically prevents ANY harm to a human, including emotional or psychological damage

>>731035594
The thing with the three laws of robotics is that they are often used at face value, when Asimov's works kind of dissected and took them apart how such laws could be worked around.

File: 02601171759.jpg.jpg (73 KB, 270x800)

73 KB JPG

>>731032317

>>731035760
But OP isn't writing a compelling story based on Asimov's works, he is simply stating the fact that a robot created with the 3 laws wouldn't be able to harm a human

>>731032317
wily is not a criminal, he's a man of principles making a point
and he was right

File: 132567770.png (2.92 MB, 1639x2301)

2.92 MB PNG

>>731035552

>>731035829
There's the eternal debate over MM7's ending, in that is Rock just a good boy and would never harm a human, even if it's Dr. Wily, or is he actually bound by the laws? If he is bound by the laws, does zeroth law come into play?

>>731032904
this has nothing to do with the 3 laws

>>731036157
A simple robot built for pew pewing cannot decide what does and does not harm humanity

>>731036157
>does zeroth law come into play
Unless what he was doing threatened humanity's existence no.

>>731035172
>"I don't actually know what these are"
I can name a dozen concepts in fiction this statement applies to off the top off my head, and Asimov's laws of robotics are about as far as as you can get from that as possible. They are incredibly straightforward in both his original stories and correctly reflected in almost all works that mention them in some fashion. The only thing that most derivative works do differently about them is that in Asimov's works, they are a (welcome) quirk resulting from the engineering principles behind robotics, rather than a fully deliberate safeguard put in by humans.

>>731036313
Perhaps, but how intelligent Rock is has never really been thoroughly stated. Like, X is supposed have the mental capacity of a human, given the ability to truly think and decide for himself, so where does that leave Rock? He's been shown to have pretty human like behavior and emotions, so what's the limiting factor? A preprogrammed personality, perhaps?

>>731036515
That rascally Dr. Wahwee has been at it for seven games at least, more if you start counting GB titles or something. I think any any mentally capable enough robot could reason he'll just keep at it if left unchecked.
The real reason Dr. Wily won't ever get what's coming to him is because the classic series is like episodes of a saturday morning cartoon. The ol' doc is just a beloved rascal.

>>731036157
if he was following the laws megaman wouldn't even be able to fight wily's machines let alone capsules.

>>731036843
World domination is a different ball park from human extinction.

>>731036843
Rock probably wouldnt get fed up with the eternal battle like X did.

>>731037031
Yeah, a single death is tragic, and millions of deaths is a statistic? Always does make me wonder how many homes get wrecked or how many people get hurt during those exploding city montages. The robot master stages usually are abstract enough that you can imagine that they might be automated facilities where there aren't many humans around (aside from maybe like, the amusement park stages like Blast man's?), or outright other worlds in MM3's case, but intros like MM4 and MM5 show cities blowing up. That can't be good.

Ego. Wily won't rest until the world see his robots as perfect examples of flawless design.

>>731036843

The Classic bots have what fans call "programmed free will". They act human, but within the limits of their design. Like Rock can think freely, but within the bounds of a ten year old boy.

Reploids can learn about anything and grow and adapt.

>>731037691
>The Classic bots have what fans call "programmed free will".
Yeah, that seems to be common sentiment, but I can't recall if that's definitively been stated or specified by Capcom. It does make Bass kinda amusing though, that Wily would fuck up that bad.

>>731037819

If Capcom ever said so its not been documented.

>>731037496
>Yeah, a single death is tragic, and millions of deaths is a statistic?
That's just it. He's not causing millions of deaths. Cities blowing up sure but he's not aiming to exterminate the human race.

>>731036843
>A preprogrammed personality, perhaps?
Light's Journal from the Legacy Collection Notebook does imply that he preprograms Robot Master personalities to a degree, but they are capable of developing new behaviors over time. However, Light can't tell if these new traits are glitches, real human-like growth, or just his code manifesting in ways he didn't expect.

>>731037496
It's fine, those all just happened to be abandoned buildings. No worries :)

>>731038115
Neat.

>>731038180
Dr. Wily really saving cities some money by demolishing buildings that were on the chopping block anyway.

>>731037496
Suddenly remembering the anime Zillion, which was made to sell Sega laser tag toys to kids in Japan, and the first episode has the alien invaders blowing up buildings and cars full of people and making sure all the actual wounding happens just off camera. Even if it's stuff like "family in a car gets blasted and the only thing coming from the wreckage in the next shot is a rolling empty baby carriage"

>>731038180

No no, its Sunday and that was the business district.

>>731034309
but they're not hardcoded into megaman robots, otherwise they wouldn't be able to be reprogrammed without them which is what wily does to all of Dr. Light's robots except for mega and roll in Megaman 1.

>>731038296
Yeah, there's plenty anime that do something like that. Plenty of deaths, but you won't see the actual blood and guts being spilled for rating reasons.

>>731032627
4 laws*

>>731038296
SEGA just does that sometimes.
>busy city gets flash flooded with no warning, with plenty of establishing shots beforehand showing lots of people out and about and also traffic, and shots after that show the city half-sunken and decimated
>not a single casualty
>"All's well that ends well, right?"

>>731038398
The only reprogramming that happens is making them obey Wily. That doesn't actually go against the Asimov ideas or them being hardcoded in the robots.

>>731038486
Zeroth law exists, but you still generally hear the laws being talked about as a group of three.

>>731034309
Asimov's 3 laws were intentionally subverted in many of his stories, and the idea is what would happen in those vague situations

>>731036843
Rock is literally a LLM adjacent agent. Everything he says, does, his behaviour, his outlook on life, Light, Wily, etc. they've been programmed into him or he's articulated them from his base knowledgepool. He's not able to expand or grow beyond his very own programming unlike X, and MM7 proved that he has hard-baked failsafes that are more authoritative than his own expressed intention. Megaman *wanted* to kill Wily, and didn't stop because he changed his mind - his own system vetoed the action through a higher authority subroutine leaving him to seethe about it.

>>731038565
but they destroy stuff and attack people, which hurts them.

>>731038751
Maybe, but Capcom probably won't state one way or the other.

>>731038842
They destroy stuff not attack people.

>>731038731
I know but Megaman plays it straight.

>>731038751
>Rock is literally a LLM adjacent agent. Everything he says, does, his behaviour, his outlook on life, Light, Wily, etc. they've been programmed into him or he's articulated them from his base knowledgepool.
so does X.
>He's not able to expand or grow beyond his very own programming unlike X
X never did that.
>and MM7 proved that he has hard-baked failsafes that are more authoritative than his own expressed intention
it didn't proved shit, wily always begs megaman to stop, period, in every single game, he isn't going to murder someone begging him to stop.
> didn't stop because he changed his mind - his own system vetoed the action through a higher authority subroutine leaving him to seethe about it.
pure headcanon, product of you reading more than it was actually shown.
Now X is more advanced, but has more to do with him having a soul, rather than just being able to make choices.

Wait, if robots can’t harm humans according to mega man classic, how do the robot masters manage to do it? In mega man 7, the mad grinder is destroying a city along with the first 4 robot masters in the prologue. Shouldn’t they be physically unable to do that?

>>731039075
darkman kidnapped light

>>731032317
That wouldn't prove his brain (penis) is huge and mighty.

>>731039551
they can harm humans, is MMX fags obsessing over a single line in the intro, the laws of robotics were never mentioned in the classic series.

>>731038452
Watching Macross and it's TV standard violence and then going to DYRL? being on the big screen and suddenly heads getting ripped off and body parts rend asunder was almost jarring.

>>731039551
Megaman is stated to be unable to harm humans, not robots in general, and it's implied it's something Dr. Light put in explicitly as a limitation (which could also be removed). It's not like Asimov's robots where they have to be compliant to the three laws (within the logical degrees of freedom resulting from grey areas) because that's how they work at the fundamental technical level.

>>731039551
1. The Mad Grinder is shown destroying a city.
2. The Mad Grinder is then shown being maybe double Megaman's size.
Conclusion: The Mad Grinder wasn't actually destroying a city, but a model of a city. Maybe he was invading a film studio that was making a kaiju movie.

>>731039703
Yeah, and then you also have something like Ideon: Be Invoked. If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.

>>731039551
Wily replaces the 3 laws with "Obey Wily".

>>731039758
uhm mad grinder bros?

>>731039551
Dr. Wily probably just tells his robots to go wreck shit, and doesn't put much more thought into it than that. More of a cause enough destruction until the world leaders give up situation, than worrying about the details.
Something like Rockman Megamix makes Dr. Wily seem a pretty big threat, since the MM1 adaptation nearly had a whole city blow up.

File: 21521274905606262.jpg (108 KB, 817x720)

108 KB JPG

>>731039527
The whole beg routine is kind of Wily's easiest way to trigger lenience from Rock, which is all he wants in that situation. In MM7 it was very different - Wily starts with his usual act, and ends up staring down the barrel of a buster for it. He doesn't plead or beg about it, he tries to reassert control over the situation, not because he says "I deserve to live" or "Wait, think about it!" but he specifically says picrel. He's reinforcing something that exists and that Rock is already built around. Mega can't fire the buster because he's just not programmed to do so at a human.
You can interpret it in a kind of tragic light if you want to, but the entire scene is just Megaman, stressed out, likely battle-damaged and in a precarious state hallucinating an outcome that he's unable to execute.

>>731040447
>Mega
don't

>>731032317
Asking stupid questions like this is why you're not an evil genius.

>>731040447
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if MM7 had been done under different circumstances or time frame, the ending sequence would've been changed. And I'm not talking about the script differences between Japanese and English, but rather the ending being a more standard routine without the stare down.

>>731040447
>Dr Light teleports in
>"Megaman, you're fired!"

>>731032317
They might actually send anti-terrorism units against him if he stops playing the funny mad scientists with robot toys, and that could end with him getting gaped in guantanamo

>>731039629
Kidnap but not hurt.

>>731040958
Then he forced him to play Darkman on the NES at his castle.

>>731041152
And what if Dr. Light beat it?

>>731040630
Personally, I think 7 adds a lot of charm in a kind of edgy 2000's way
-The old song and dance is becoming untenable
>The gentleman's agreement of 'no human harm' which both Light (And Wily to an extent) respect is starting to show cracks
>The widespread collateral damages in 7 massively upped the ante all around. At this point Wily had crossed the line from eccentric retard to actual world-wanted outcast
It was basically the golden age saturday cartoon vibe's swan song. If you want to be even edgier about it, that's probably when a traumatized Wily who's realized it's no longer a sustainable game and saw his own death close up began working on Zero as something to outlast him.

>>731041363
I think MM7's tone has to do with Capcom already putting out MMX, and the really short development time for MM7. They were just kind of high on that 90s spirit that was a bit edgier than the NES days, and before anyone might have had second thoughts about the ending, the game already had to be shipped. Like, everything following MM7 feels little more whimsical in contrast, which to me suggests they wanted to keep the edgier stuff in X, and keep Classic more carefree.

>>731041653
And I guess to support that notion, gotta remember what Inafune said about Super Adventure Rockman, too.

File: 33304.png (71 KB, 280x169)

71 KB PNG

>>731036271
It has something to do with the 1 law in question.

>>731041653
Still love the fact that Wily Capsule is the way it is because Inafune just came in one day and said "Let's make the final boss INSANELY hard this time!"

>>731042047
It's insanely hard or insanely easy depending on if you get the Rush armor.

File: gonnado.png (106 KB, 374x212)

106 KB PNG

>>731032904
this might have everything to do with at least two of the three laws

File: maxresdefault.jpg (55 KB, 1280x720)

55 KB JPG

>>731032317
>>731034921
This and also to outdo Light. He has to take over the world WITH his robotics to prove that he is superior to his nemesis.

File: 1737197444544675.jpg (54 KB, 250x218)

54 KB JPG

>>731032627
>Asimov's 3 laws?
lmao how are the 3 laws real nigger
just close your eyes and shoot nigger not your fault you didn't know a human was there

>>731040447
anon that's mistranslated, wily says "you are going to shoot me? a robot? im a human!"
I think is just presenting a morality issue, megaman about to cross the line of revenge, it has nothing to do with the 3 laws because that's not even how they work.

>>731044201
I thought Wily was an alien

>>731044175
>not having extra cameras installed
Totally your fault.

>>731044282
Did you never beat that fight?

>>731032627
my ass

>>731032317
Isn't he reprogramming robots to bypass all that and just destroy and kill?
I mean, in stuff like 7's intro, with the big robot destroying stuff at the end, I don't think that everyone got out of that alive
He could make Mega Man kill people, Quint happened, I don't know if he killed anyone but if Wily could do that, he can make him kill

>>731045425
No just basically adding an extra line of code saying obey his orders.

protoman will die in dual override

>>731034921
Oh yeah, I'm sure that's why in MM4 he resorted to kidnapping to have some other scientist make a bunch of robots master to go after mega man on his behalf. I don't know where this idea that Wily is actually some misunderstood wholesome chungoid deep down came from but he is clearly not above doing some pretty heinous stuff to get what he wants.

>>731046342
I always figured Wily was going to take the credit if the Cossack bots managed to beat Megaman, hence why they have the DWN denomination instead of DCN

>>731034921
His goal is to kill all humans and replace them all with robots, he is a robot supremacist

>>731046506
>His goal is to kill all humans
Where are you getting this from?

>>731046575
Its never stated like that Im making assumptions for the sake of argument

Light thinks coexistence is possible
Wily knows robots are just better and will exterminate humanity eventually (and they do), the way he talked to the robots in 9 wanting them to revolt against humans I think was genuine not just part of wanting to trick them

>>731046506
>His goal is to kill all humans and replace them all with robots
That's Sigma.

>he is a robot supremacist
He's a petty old man throwing a centuries long tantrum.

>>731046506
His goal is making the best robot.

>>731047083
>>731046506
>His goal is
He's pretty much just an attention whore who wants people to suck his balls instead of Light's

>>731046721
>and will exterminate humanity eventually
Where are you getting this from?
He does mention in 11 that he believes humanity should go all in on making robots as powerful and capable as possible (making them into "superheroes") but he never says he wants or expects robots to end humanity. I feel like he would be against such a thing, given that he's human and all.

>the way he talked to the robots in 9 wanting them to revolt against humans
He was just buttering the MM9 RMs up so they'd come to him willingly, but they're not actually fighting for Wily out of their own will, they were all reprogrammed.

So whats special about megaman? and dont say the power of friendship
Realistically he would had never gotten farther than Skullman

>>731046506

>His goal is to kill all humans

...No?

>>731047208
Legends has humans die out and become DNA samples but that's 1000s of years in the future.