Is it good or is that just millennial propaganda
>>731036373just play the game you lazy nigger, make up your own mind for once
>>7310363737 gets lot of hype, but its basically complete rehash of 6but gayer.
>>731036373Is along FF10 the only one with good story
>>731036373Genuinely one of the best games of old. Nothing has released these past 10 years that can even begin to match its level of kino.
>>731036373for me it's6 > 4 > 7 > 12 > 10 > 1 for nostalgia > i don't really care about the rest
6 became overhyped on the internet in the years following Advent Children's release and e-celebs have been parroting that opinion ever since. It's just a gay laughing clown game, over shadowed by CT and no where near as good as the PS1 trilogy.
It's the SNES's E33, don't bother with itOn that note, feel free to also ignore FF7 on the PS1 and MGS2 on the PS2
>>731036373I liked it a lot growing up, but re-evaluating it today, its just ok. I think it has a decent foundation that can enable a good remake if they're allowed to, and ignore the nostalgiafags about "no changes". I feel the same way about FF9, but even more strongly. Going back to it now, it's a good foundation but the execution is so fucking ass. I thought FF9 was trash upon revisiting it, in the sense of wasted pontential. I didn't feel it as strongly with FF6, though I still did.
>>731036373It's genuinely good at face value, but still has its flaws.
I think 5 has the better combat system with jobs but 6 has way better story and presentation and is no slouch itself mechanicallyI first played FF6 in 2017 and I still think it's an extremely good game, same can be said for other greats like Chrono Trigger
It's a fine game but the final boss and ending sequence turns it into a 9/10 game
>>731036373SNES or GBA?
S O V L
>>731037106Playstation
>>731036373has too many damn playable characters
>>731036373It's good but FFV is better.
>>731036373the former. A dull, mediocre game that's honestly the worst FF game on its console. There is not a single thing, it does, not even one moment that warrants all the praise and attention the game gets
>>731036373Millennial hereFor me it's Dark Cloud 1 and 2
>>731036373I didn't care for FF6, it's where the series starts huffing its own farts and I've never understood the hype.
VI is the reason why the rift between Nintendo and Square was so massive and VII was hyped as fuck as the first 3D final fantasy.
>>731037605>nice bestiary and other omakes such as an art allery>3 second load time to open the party menuBattle load times I could tolerate but this is pure suffering
>>731036714Haha youre wrong and a faggot.
>Chock full of bugs that range from status effects not working to actual gamebreaking bugs like Relm's Paint>A relatively big cast of characters you're never actually allowed to use until the game is pretty much over>Said cast of characters is also unbalanced as hell because of the entire battle system being shit and their own toolkits being poorly designed>Character building is nonexistent and with schizophrenic mechanics like needing espers to actually gain stats except you don't even get enough espers to do so for the first third of the game...>...which also doesn't really matter as most calculations use character level as the main multiplier anyway>Tons of nonsensical design decisions like most of Sabin's blitzes running off his MAG stat, which is also his worst stat growth without an Esper to balance that, also more hidden nonsensical bullshit like Suplex only dealing full damage when there's a single enemy on screen>Incredibly lazy world design where every town looks exactly the same no matter where you are>Everyone has a depressing sob story because it's DEEP>Banon? Who?>70% of the game is a linear corridor with the last 30% being sidequests in places you've already been to but destroyed...to rerecruit people you've been forced to play as before, outside of Gogo who's really just there, there's like only three dungeons that are actually new>Completely braindead combat that starts with Bioblaster spam and ends with Ultima spam because most of the character unique skills are unsalvageable dogshit with no real application and enemies are a joke>Plot is a miserable parade of retarded characters and moments that make no sense, you're supposed to believe that the evil emperor who conquered the entire world didn't notice his court jester jobber was not just insane and a jobber but also plotting to kill him for years>Disney musical scene about the power of friendship before the final fightJust play Romancing SaGa 3 or some shit
>>731036373It's probably the easiest Final Fantasy since 1, even if you don't know what you're doing. Presentation wise it's probably the best one in the SNES era but the constant shuffling of party members due to the story is irritating IIRC.
12 might be the best FF bros..
>>731037106SNES. The additions in the GBA version add nothing worthwhile, and the music/graphics are worse even with patches.
It's good. I played 7/8/9 as a kid and only played 6 as an adult and I still liked it the best without any nostalgia.
>>731039779lolno. only a "muh jobs" autist would say this.
>>731037106SNES with GBA translation patch
>>731039730why should it be a flaw
ff6 has the best moogles of any game. You are wrong and gay if you disagree.
>>731042309Better party building is reason enough, but 5 also has better music and story
>>731042309I do think the jobs give it amazing replay value indeed. But I also prefer the atmosphere, soundtrack, and characters.
>>731042428tied with FF9 imo
>>731042434>5>storysell it to me.
>>731036506the gayness is why ff7 is good tbf
>>731036373do you like oldschool jrpgs? then yes it's amazing. But if you like fortnight or roblox, then you'll probably hate it.
>>731042434>5 also has better music and story>>731042469>soundtrack, and characters.I appreciate your honesty, but both of you have brain damage.
>>731042428I mean Mog and the fact that they all can fight makes it a pretty trivial contest.Don't like the yellow pompoms though.
>>731036373They should remake this. The full game. With only QoL changes.
>>731042986The only acceptable way to remake it would be with Octopath-style graphics but Squenix cannot get the FF6 right. They always look like dog shit.
>>731043241Just go full 3D then
>>731042580it's not really that difficult to have a better story than VI. VI is the kinda story that goes hard on characters but also has characters become basically irrelevant after the story moves on and has none of the character development matter to the overall plotV isn't about the characters. There are moments where the characters do cool things (everyone remembers Galuf's death scene, Gilgamesh fights, etc), but even without those, the core of V's story is a briskly paced adventure plot where Exdeath's scheme to revive and return to full power is constantly escalating and causing major changes throughout the world . Everything moves along so quickly that it's easy to get swept up in it
>>731042986No need for that. It's still a masterpiece, easily playable today. So with that in mind, if they have to rape VI, then they should restore that 90% of the story, that is clearly on the cutting room floor. Actually tell us the full account of the events and characters. With luck keep the gameplay, but add more complexity to it and especially make the game harder. Hopefully with even an in-universe option to make the final boss harder, if you complete WoR.
>>731041284Trying too hard
>>731042390because it makes the story a clusterfuck, especially since 6 went out of its way to not to have a clear protagonist
>>731043710I think characters like Gogo and Umaro being irrilevant aren't a flaw, they are just cool rewards for exploring optional dungeons. Celes, Terra, Sabin, Edgar, Locke, Cyan, Setzer and Shadow are great, Relm and Strago a bit less because they aren't developed much.
6 is a very ambitious game but it's very obviously collapsing under the weight of that very ambition. Its system is the precursor to Materia but it has all of its flaws and none of its upsides. It massively loses steam around the World of Ruin and it constantly needs to railroad the player towards the next plot development (usally via a convenient Kefka asspull). 7 just eats it for breakfast in terms of pretty much everything but it's still very much worth playing
>>731043878by the time gogo and umaro show up, i just couldnt begin to care about them. i like a lot of the characters, but it almost feels like they had a quota to fill when it comes to how many there are.
>>731043878Cyan isn't really a good characters because the story can't for the life of it decide if he's meant to be comedic or not so he's constantly interrupting moments that are supposed to be serious with unfunny jokes.Setzer peaked when he's tricked with the one sided coin. He is literally worthless and has no moments worth even thinking about afterward. The man literally has no will to do anything without the party leading him forward.Shadow is just a big nothing. They vaguely gesture at development but they don't actually do anything with the backstory we're given. Then he kills himself for no reason at the end.
>>7310363736 > 5 =7 > 9 > 10, 1, 2, 3, 4 > 12 > 8 > the others
>>731043878>Celes, Terra, Sabin, Edgar, Locke, Cyan, Setzer and Shadow are great, Relm and Stragothe problem is that come endgame all of these characters are also basically irrelevant. They have their own isolated vignettes that are completely disconnected from everything else happening in the game and don't matter at all outside those vignettes
>>731044053>CyanIdk, i felt him secretly writing the letters was a very strong scene
>>731043398>it's not really that difficult to have a better story than VIYou can't show your hand that early.
>>731036612I approve of this a lot. Except toss 8 and 9 in front of 10 for me. I learned to appreciate 12 but boy did it piss me off that the MC wasn't the chad but that was because I dropped it half way. Play the full game you appreciate all the character development more.
>>731044151Cyan has high highs and abysmal lows. For every scene he has that is some of the most tragic drama in the game he has Funny Man Talks Weird stuff that the writing is making fun of, and that is exactly the problem, his tone is constantly hopping between serious and comedic without rhyme and reason. He's basically the physical embodiment of the game's flaws, alongside with Shadow, who is literally an unfinished character.
>>731044161I was replying to a post asking why V had a better story than VI. I gave my honest thoughts. I don't understand why it's considered a shitpost opinion, VI's story doesn't really have any great moments I can remember and the world of ruin is such a crappy development that made basically everything up to that point pointless
>>731044079>everything else happeningWhat else? The latter half of the game is the vignettes. Many complain, that absolutely nothing happens and the big bad just sits around waiting. The only thing WoR pounds into your head is hatred for him in different local flavors.
>>731044440The thing that pisses me off the most about World of Ruin is that it literally isn't explained at all. Kefka just inexplicably survives being at the epicenter of a magical nuke and then inexplicably steals the powers of three megapowerful deities with absolutely no explanation as to how the fuck this even happened ever being delivered
>>731036373Only if you play mods.
>>731044161A classic "I can only lift something up by bringing others down"FF5 autist always does this btw
>>731036373It's extremely mediocre and I have no idea why people rate it so highly. I consider FFVI to be *THE* posterboy of vidya whose acclaim is entirely due to nostalgia. FF7-10 are infinitely better. Hell, even FF4 was better.
>>731043708>Noooooooooooooooooooo please don't point out all the garbage and issues this shitty game hasFF6 is a lazy, unfinished piece of shit made by people who weren't even remotely interested in making a game, let alone a good oneThough you can say that for pretty much all FF games, 6 is just emblematic of the lazy moviegame mentality that characterizes the franchise
>>731044663I disagree that FF4 was better. FF6 has many many flaws but at least it has the spine to kill off characters and keep them dead and have the villains actually be evil. meanwhile FF4 is literally backtracking in Cid's heroic sacrifice and making the king then Golbez into dindu nuffins
The concept art is amongst the greatest ever
5 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 6 > 1 > 8 > 4 > 2 > 3
>>731044663>Hell, even FF4 was better.you were doing good until you said this.
>>731045083I agree with him. FF4 has a better grasp on the fundamentals while FF6 ignores them.
>>731044763IV had a lot of Disney deaths, but it did legitimately kill off Telah, and it isn't like VI had a massive major character body count; the only definitive major deaths are the emperor and kefkaThe Golbez thing is just a bookend mirroring the change Cecil himself went through at the beginning
>>731045135But it's a stupid fucking bookend. Golbez spent the entire story being a cackling cartoon villain. Him suddenly being a dindu nuffin actually mind controlled by the actual villain is stupid.Zeromus is also a huge fucking nothing of a villain. Kefka has many flaws but he outclasses Golbez so fucking hard it's not even funny.
>>731044763>but at least it has the spine to kill off characters and keep them deadLike who?Who actually dies in FF6 outside of Shadow? Even Celes' optional suicide scene is a fakeout
>>731045295If you say so. For me I didn't feel like Golbez got anywhere near enough screen time for it to feel like a copout. How climactic the ending was depended more on the situation than the character
>>731036373One of the best. >>731042349This.
>>731045526Leo
>>731045607>one of the bestAbsolutely fucking isn't. It's even worse than FFXII. >inb4 FFXII is a good game
>>731045636Woooooow a fucking NPC with like three lines in the entire game
>>731045689That's important for Terra development
>>731045790you can't be serious, Leo is even more of a cardboard cutout than the rest of the cast, Gestahl himself is more of a character, fucking Banon is more relevant
>>731036373>As a kid I bought FF Anthology when it came out on PS1>Tried V and VI a bit>Liked V more>Last year I got PR collection>Beat V>Beat VI>Still like V moreVI is still good. I just didn't find it as amazing as everyone says
>>731036373I did not like 6 at all. Played the PR in the summer. Bottom-tier FF for me.
>>731045526Leo dies and stays dead. If you don't feed Cid right he actually dies. Gestahl dies and stays dead. Ramuh sacrifices himself for you and that sticks, all the espers literally are genocided and stay dead.
>>731045859Leo is extremely important. He is a play on the classic "the honorable guy in the evil army" archetype. Like, say, a sort of Rommel. The game treats him as a paragon whom everyone respects and trusts, even his enemies, who has words of wisdom to share with Terra and the espers, and under whom the Empire would likely be well-steered.But the thing is that in the end, Leo was wrong. He was a fool. He failed to recognize Kefka's evil and trusted him with command, he failed to see through the Emperor's true motives, he naively worked towards a 'peace' that was only a cover story and helped bring the espers into Kefka's grasp. Leo fails to actually make anything better, and in fact makes everything worse against his will. He gives the Empire a mask, a patsy who genuinely means the stuff about peace, because the fact that he believes it makes it all the easier for others to be fooled by it.
>>731046192>Leo is extremely important. He is a play on the classic "the honorable guy in the evil army" archetype.Except there's already Celes for that
>>731036373It takes a long time to get going, but it's pretty great. At the time it was made, it was the largest game ever, and it's insane to me still just how many bosses, levels and secrets it has. It actually has quite a bit of 'endgame' before that was ever really a concept.
>>731046253Celes is the defector. She is honorable and so she *leaves* the army. Leo doesn't, he thinks there can be honor and justice in what he does- but there isn't. There is no justice in the Empire. When he dies, he is explicitly showing this; everyone who is in their army, no matter the reasons, is either evil or an idiot.
>>731036457FPBP
>>731046389>At the time it was made, it was the largest game evernot even close>It actually has quite a bit of 'endgame' before that was ever really a concept.What in the world are you talking about?Please take your meds.
>>731046192how does any of that make him important? You just described how he is NOT important by basically saying he is a pawn used by the characters that are actually important
>>731046417I don't think you realize how much of a midwit you sound
>>731046504Do you not understand how the character everyone has been constantly playing up as the paragon of virtue in the Empire's armies being betrayed and murdered in cold blood the second he draws his line in the sand and decides what the Empire is doing is wrong is an important moment?
>>731046571Yeah great retort there buddy.
>>731046253Oh, Celes is just evil. A war criminal, who didn't care about the cruelty just the cowardice. All that pure as snow stuff is bullshit. Fuck your waifu, Kitase.
>>731041683I dislike the Bonus dungeon, like most of those bonus dungeons, but the inclusion of Cactuar, Leviathan, and Gilgamesh as Espers really filled out some missing niches. Only Raiden has Speed+2 but then you lose the ability to learn Meteor from Odin forever. Leviathen and his spell are some of the only sources of water damage in the game. Just nice things like that. Also gives Mog one more chance to learn the Underwater Dance.
>>731046727>Do you not understand how the character everyone has been constantly playing up as the paragon of virtue in the Empire's armiesEveryone who?Leo is barely even mentioned in the game and appears in like three scenes total, again, he's less of a character than fucking Banon, you're just making up narrative in your head, Leo was never a paragon of anything, he was just another useful idiot in the background under Gestahl and Kefka, him dying like the gorillion of soldiers you yourself slaughter doesn't show a damn thing to anyone, the Gestahl Empire is cartoonishly evil from the very beginning and Celes' defection already has the "NOT ALL GESTAHL CITIZENS!!11!" cope, he's a poorly written cardboard cutout in a poorly written game with a lot of other cardboard cutouts.
>>731036887Kefka's Tower is so much better than Northern Crater. Feels like they were about to try something similar and have you meet in the lifestream and fight the weird multi Sephiroth and they couldn't get it to work and aborted it. Northern Crater is a general weakpoint for FF7, it's not nearly as weird, difficult and crazy as it should be.
>>731047101>mfw I can't remember who the hell any of these people areFFVI had so many characters that showed up out of nowhere then disappeared just as quickly as they came. Game does a genuinely awful job of establishing anything remotely close to pathos.
>>731036373Great swansong to the 2D era of the franchise but trades 5's mechanical improvements for gimmicks, and the cast is way to bloated.Like barring the optional characters, Gau, Stragos, Setzer (you just need the airship) and if your willing to cut Shadow (which you shouldn't) , Relm, are narrative bloat that exist because each party member is allowed one gimmick.
>>731036373millenials weren't alive when this game came out zoomer fag
>>731036714Good idea. I'll replay CT instead.
>>731046853>A war criminalThe only war crime committed was the poisoning of DomaConquering and conscripting Maranda isn't a 'war crime',that's just 'war'
>>731047221It's a very uneven game. Locke's backstory gets a whole scene dedicated to it where you at least get some idea of what his and Rachel's relationship was like before she died. Meanwhile, you barely have time to absorb the fact that Cyan has a family before Kefka flips the plot switch and instakills them and everyone else in Doma.I still like VI but I've never understood why people act like it's some kind of masterpiece of storytelling.
>>731047101Bitch he literally has a whole scene where he refuses to invade Doma Castle because his men would take heavy casualties and, in response to a soldier saying he is willing to die for the Empire, says they are human beings before they are soldiers.He apologizes to Cyan for not being able to stop the poisoning of the river and gives Terra advice on her emotions. He is obviously supposed to be the Empire's paragon- you sticking your head in the sand and refusing to see what the story is saying doesn't change that.
>>731044053You are legitimately too stupid for these games.
>>731047290Retard.
>>731036373it's fine, it told a common story in a unique wayit's also the most technically impressive snes rpg released in the westthe mechanics aren't especially interesting though, it makes for a fun low-level challenge if you're in to that (nobody sane is, when you have a million other games you could play) but crap systems like the already time worn atb and "just make everyone a magic user" hold it back from being compelling
>>731046853>All that pure as snow stuff is bullshit.That's added by the shitty original translation
>>731047427I mean, you need to kind of see the context here. Every FF game is more impressive and ambitious then the last one, and FF6 really is the example of that because it literally is straining against the limits of the hardware with how ambitious it is.
>>731037415Is Gogo male or female?>>731045135Shadow definitively dies.
>>731046853And yet she won the Lockebowl
>>731036373It deserves its praise, it's indeed among the best in the genre in it's era. But even though I love it, I gotta say... It sure as hell is a game that somehow got with shit that deserved heavy criticism that it just never got. It's hilarious the amount of shit that is straight up broken/doesn't work in the game. Imagine the shit a jrpg would get nowadays if it was released with one of it's main stats not working at all, for instance.
>>731045973>all the espers literally are genocided and stay deadBringing up shit like this is stupid because 4 features multiple kingdoms get ravaged.
>>731047679>LockebowlHer only competition was a preserved corpse
>>7310477254 has too many fakeoutsAt least 2 kept people dead
>>731047727Did you forget the scene where Terra acknowledges that she isn't going to get Locke feelings after seeing him and Celes together?
>Another FFVI thread for the third day in a rowDid some big Twitch streamer play this recently or something?At least this one's better than the first thread which was just one guy replying to himself whining how hard he got filtered.
>>731047580>Shadow definitively dies.Nope.
>>731047436Again, there's already Celes for that and she's more of a paragon than Leo will ever be because she doesn't buy Gestahl's and Kefka's bullshit at all.Leo amounts to nothing precisely because he's a fucking tool who appears in like three scenes and is forgotten immediately, like Banon or really any NPC that isn't Kefka, even Gestahl does not really do much at all but at least he's the fucking evil emperor himself and not some random useless stooge like Leo
>>731036373Grew up with it playing the GBA version on my DS. Got it and IV. Was a big step up over it
>>731047949I guess you're right. He could tank Kefka's tower falling on him.
>>731048129He can hang out at the coliseum forever if you play your cards right.
>>731036373maybeit is better than 4 and 5 for sure, but still the same 16 bit concept as them
>>731048129Maybe he used a secret slide down the tower by pressing a button under a desk.
>>731036373I replayed V and VI recently and found VI held up surprisingly well considering my past memories and its online reputation. V has the better customization system but it feels like they kind of nerfed the core game so any kind of frankenstein party can complete it. Which means the "good" classes wind up curb stomping everything. While in VI though most bosses are brainless the dungeons themselves tend to be filled with very toxic and annoying encounters even if you're spamming blitzes or whatever happens to be op at the time. Its endgame obviously falls apart though when you get shit like Ultima and Phantom/Bum Rush
>>731047580>Is Gogo male or female?I'm pretty sure it's a genderless monster that is made up of the outfit, like there isn't a body underneath. Just like, gross mime organs
>>731047897I heard Mog had feelings for Mr. Cole too.
It become popular because Reddit and Youtubers pushed it, most people who circlejerk over it have never even played it. Kefka is also a great villain for normies because it's easy to understand that the clown guy is cuhrazy and evil.>b-b-but the opera scene and le train suplex!
>>731049565>bitches about Reddit>uses Reddit spacingpottery
>>731036373Genuinely a great game.
>>731036373It's good.But it's gen x propaganda that it's the greatest game of all time.
>>731049626NEXT
>>731049606>uses the word potteryRedditry
>>731036714I used to love 6 a lot and I can't even disagree. Revisiting it, it really isn't nearly as good as I remember. I don't think it's a bad game, but CT really does bring out the best SNES could possibly offer. FF6 fell pretty short of that. I really liked their WoB and WoR thing though.
>>731040507
>>731040507>it's where the series starts huffing its own fartsWhat the fuck are you talking about? you bumbling retard
getting pretty fucking sick of FFVfags pretending their soulless husk of a game is good when it's nothing but a mindless AP point farmer where 90% of the "builds" and abilities don't even matter and you either always go for the same op abilities or intentionally gimp your shit>a tree>but it's evillmfao
>>731039779FFV sucks, FFIV all the way
Ff7 is when the amnesia plots became unbearable4 and 5 have like 2 minutes of amnesia mostly at the beginning, 6 has amnesia for the first two acts, but then 7-9 just go all in on alzheimers
>>731051139QuickUltima
>>731048473I will never understand you people who discuss the FF series and only talk about combat and difficulty. Music? Story? Characters? are those all completely lost on you?
>>731051354>I will never understand people who talk about the GAME part of videoGAMEFF never had a good story or characters, the average 90's sunday cartoon has better narrative than any of these games, and as a supposed RPG series it fails really hard on the roleplaying part.Though truth to be told FF never had good gameplay either, it's just a shitty series all around.
People say this is one of the greatest osts. I listened to Dancing Mad but didnt like it. Maybe i should have played the game. Are there any other tracks that sound good in isolation without even knowing when it plays ingame
>>731051254How is that any different from Quick+Rod boosted -aga spell?
>>731051603Terra's themeEdgar & Sabin s Theme
>>731051603I prefer whatever the Atma/Ultima Weapon theme is. WoR Airship theme, Magitek Facility, Floating Continent all stuck with me as far as general location music goes
There are only 3 good final fantasy stories.FF8, FF10 and FF6. All else feel more juvenile and by the books. These 3 stories feel like they have something to tell and are actually about something.
>>731036373the story is good with moments that stick but ff5 has better game play
FFVI is good
>>731047580I dont even think Gogo is human
>>731051603Sometimes I lie awake at night with this song stuck in my head, especially when it's unbearable hot and itchy.https://youtu.be/FVIIUR3TCbA
>>731051254Traveler helped me beat the game with no XP gained
>>731042986They already did with Pixel Remaster.
>>731036373Just millennial propaganda>t. millennial
>>731036373VI is the best oneXIII is the second best one