Gustave > Verso
verso was the only good character in the game. gustave is peak reddit.
oh look, another AIphobia thread
>>731042887Nah. Gustave was a shellshocked bitch that kept wanting to quit just to save his wife's daughter.
Yeah. At first I dismissed him as just a spineless cuck who was chasing after his ex but it turned out almost immediately that they were still into each other and then the whole act just built him up into the only likeable person in the group that knew everything about the previous expeditions and was empathetic as hell to his friends and even some of the weird shitters on the continent only to say 'lol jk here's the same character but worse in every way'.
>>731042994>gustave is peak reddit.That's what makes him based. Only likable character in the entire game.
>>731042887Verso is literally the villain of the story. Also he downgrades a cool guy with a sword-gun dual wield and a mecha arm for... A knife? Gay, then we're stuck playing with a pathological liar asshole as the only man. I wish we got Renoir as a character at this point
>>731043072Exactly this
Verso did nothing wrong
>in his final moments calls down red fucking lightning that detonated his arm but was enough to make renoir shit himself for just a second before getting impaled on a spike>ten seconds later it's revealed that none of this mattered at all and did absolute fucking nothing for the plot ok bye-bye gustave10/10 writing
>>731042887I never really got over the beginning when Gustave tries to shoot himself. It seemed so out of character and just a scene made to put into trailers because it is a compelling shot. In the actual game it makes him look like a feckless loser who should just straight up NOT be in charge. Why is he? Lune should be. Verso immediately establishes himself as the leader with knowledge of the land and what they have to do and takes command. Gustave is just the guy you play as.
>>731042887wrong
Verso is a lying little bitch
>>731043423Is this achievable natty?
>>731042887e33 is a shit game
>>731043387The love of his life had just been thanos'd and as far as he saw, his entire expedition was killed on the beach as soon as they arrived. Not only that but he immediately witnesses literal hundreds if not thousands of his former friends and comrades dead. He had spent his entire life studying these expeditions probably thinking that their sacrifices meant anything for the sake of 'for those who come after' only to realize that all of their expeditions were pointless and they never stood a chance (this was before he found the things left behind by the climbers expedition and the like).How the fuck can you blame him for wanting to give up?
If only Gustave were here, he could have figured out a third ending.
>>731042887Reminder there are autists on /v/ that think these two look exactly alike.
>>731043072>>731043253>worse in every wayHoly filtered.
>>731043792I'm not watching your shit video essay, zoomer.
>>731043815You didn't play the game, either. Otherwise, you'd know Verso's the most well-written, in-depth character in the game.
>>731043603Because video games are stories about heroes and that scene basically confirms he is not one. I would piss and shit myself and die on that beach (I'd never actually sign up) and you don't see a lot of video games being made about me.
You get what you fucking deserve.
>>731043926>Because video games are about projecting onto the flawless, perfect cool man!Go back to your weeb shit.
>>731043492nah you need ozempic
>>731043905He's also a compulsive liar and an evil cunt.
>>731043072This post perfectly describes how good Gustave turned out. Verso is just him but worse in every way. Anyone else think gustave looks like robert pattinson?
>>731043926Heroes are allowed to lose faith in their cause.He pulled himself together afterwards and spent the rest of his time on the continent supporting up Maelle, Sciel and even Lune when the mission was starting to get to them, despite the fact that he himself had tried to kill himself only a few days prior and would have killed Renoir outright despite being stabbed through the chest, if the old fuck didn't have plot armor.Gustave was a hero that got cucked out of his own story and you're gay if you don't agree.
>>731043961I cannot wait for the game sequel that proves that the Verso ending is canon and BTFOs all these Maelle simps. >but muh genocideRetards
>>731043184>Verso is literally the villain of the storySurely the most retarded opinion possible.
>>731043072Isn't the whole point that Gustave was more like real Verso than painted Verso was?
>>7310441561. I'd be really disappointed if the next game is in anyway a continuation instead of being something new.2. Fuck Alicia. Fuck Verso. Fuck the Dessendres. Total Pa*nter Death.3. Play the piano.
>>731044156Nah fuck that. Verso suffers forever as penitence for lying to probably hundred of expeditioners, and Maelle gets the equivalent of dying in the street to her final fent hit. Absolutely canon ending
>>731044182The real villain was Aline for going full retard. >She was grievingEven Clea said, grief wasn’t an excuse. The whole family was grieving. Her actions led to the necessity to destroying the canvas.
>>731043961Only thing Verso deserves is a better sister, and I'm not talking about Clea.>>731044156Obviously. One ending is bittersweet, as the story begins and ends with Verso poetically saving Alicia's life, and the other is absolute dogshit that wouldn't work in a direct sequel.
>>731044125Not for me. I can't get over the scene and I still haven't. I just dislike it too much. Him spending his entire life preparing for it more than anyone else only to instantly be the most cowardly member of the group, even moreso than a 16 year old is just embarrassing. I understand how much work they put into TRY to make it reasonable, but for me I just think it is a scene made to be put into trailers over their pretty soundtrack and kind of assassinates his character for me.
>>731044156I cannot wait for the sequel to take place like 100 years later so that the ending of the first game doesn't matter and is never addressed again.
>>731044276I’d love if the next game focuses on the writers with the ending being the necessity of using Alicia to attack the Descendres. That would be peak.
That is what happened yes :)
>>731044404>Sequel starts>Dessendres are here, talk about the Verso painting episode>Suddenly get wiped out by the Writers who are the playable protagonists fighting a rogue Painting escaping out into their worldOnly way to make a direct sequel interesting.
Do I have to play FF 1-10 before I play this game?
>>731044094Every women who streamed the end of act 1 react the same way, they are of course extremely sad for Gustave but always say that Verso is kind of hot.
>>731044608Typical. Like lionesses asking “who’s going to be our daddy?” When watching two male lions fighting.
>>731044325>The real villain was AlineAt first, sure. But by the end of the game, Alicia's the new Aline: delusional, and sees pVerso as the real one, just as her final dialogue reflects, willing to torture the soul of her "beloved" dead brother to sustain her illusion of happiness until she dies. It's impossible to perceive Alicia as a good person in her ending when you consider all the logistics.
>>731043653literally every single person who played the game thought that Verso was alternate timeline Gustave and Renoir was future timeline Gustave, white people with beards all look the same unironically
>>731044592Only if turn based combat that requires active input would ruin normal turn-based games for you. But you should at least play 6-10 anyway
>>731044592>FFplay 6, 7, 10 and skip the rest
>>731044697Renoir was 200% rightClea was right for siding with her father. Alicia was the catalyst who started the story. Aline caused the necessity of destroying verso’s canvas. Verso was a beautiful soul. The verso ending makes far more sense than the maelle ending.
The maelle ending is not even a real ending, time is still passing outside and they can just take her out another day (years for her). If the developers had balls there wouldn't be alternate endings and they would have made a solid narrative, but breaindead gamers lap up multiple choices even when they hurt the narrative
>>731044885the multiple endings was a genius move because it lets brainlets out themselves when they shill maelle's ending
>>731042887Factually wrong. Verso could have saved Gustave if he wanted to, which means Gustave couldn't save himself, which means Verso can do more than Gustave could, which means Verso is begger than Gustave.
>>731044885The maelle ending exist to appease women and low-testosterone men. The vast majority of men with a degree of testosterone all chose the verso ending.
>>731044885Imagine being this wrong. The ending choice was necessary. There are pros and cons to both views, to both endings. By the time they go back for Alicia, Lumiere could have had centuries of peace. Having to choose between killing everyone and erasing everything to save one or the one sacrificing herself to preserve everyone and everything is a perfectly good ending choice.
>>731045030I chose the maelle ending because it was the default when the choice is given and I refused to choose for the writers who didn't do their job
>>731045112They should’ve had the dialogue box with a freeze frame of both characters where you choose your fighter ala fighting game style. Missed peak.
>>731045087It's a meta choice with no place in the narrative. You were following a linear story until they decided to give player agency when the player isn't an entity that ever had a role in the game, making the choice to choose who to kill be entirely out of place because the writers were either cowards or knew they were going to get slobbered by the brainlets for being "deep"
>>731043376Verso did a lot wrong, but he was right at the end
>>731045240He who protects the truth with lies
>>731044608I've seen some playthroughs where men choose the Maelle ending, but I've seen seen a SINGLE woman choose her ending.
>>731044592skip the FF franchise, play Solatoroboo instead
>>731044436I think the feeling of impending end of the world is pretty strong in the beginning of the game, and to be fair, Lune and Sciel also mention having attempted suicide in the past. The only strange thing about that scene is that Lune takes the time to sit down next to Gustave before saying a word when he could pull the trigger at any moment, unless she knew he wasn't really going to do it.
Real Verso is not like Gustave. Visages was made based on the real Verso. All of the Axons are based on Renoir's real children, and it was made by him with 'Protect the truth with lies' as a theme. That's how he viewed him.The whole deal with real Verso, was the abuse that he suffered from Aline, because he loved writing more than drawing
>>731043448>"Nooo! Lying's inherently bad!1"Verso was right. Renoir was right. Clea was right.
>>731045369Despite verso lying more, Alicia lied to her father’s face to preserve a fantasy instead of accepting reality. Verso, even painted verso, never did this.
>>731044246NO?Gustave was Gustave while Painted Verso is stated multiple times to be a perfect replica of Verso at the point he was created.Don't mistake the fragment of Verso's soul that is a snapshot for who he was as child for the man he grew into.
>>731045569I doubt Verso is a perfect copy given that the rest of the family is quite different to their real world counterparts.
>>731045715Did painted verso have red pedals or golden pedals when he was about to gommage throughout the story?
>>731042887Probably his grandson, yeah
>>731045806his were pure white
>>731045914Wasn’t painted Renoir’s pedals red?
>>731045715That's because Ailene painted them to be different.Painted Renior was made to be more aggressive and protective on account of her resentment towards him for failing to save Verso.Painted Alicia was left a crippled shadow worse off than the original because Aliene couldn't bear to look at herAnd we don't know about Painted CleaHowever Painted Verso is never given a modifier like that throughout he narrative he is just Verso.
>thought rose petals were unique to Renoir because Palicia said that the gommage was an act of love so i assumed roses were unique to Renoir.>turns out the color red is only unique to Renoir and that that everything gommages in rose petals for some reasonthe rose petals turned out to be kind of meaningless in the end
>>731045963yes
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>>731045972>And we don't know about Painted CleaHe doesn’t know
>>731045914>>731045963>>731045995The white petals are the symbol of Aliene's protection towards the family meaning that another painter needs to directly erase them instead of just letting it happen passively.Red is the dissolution of chroma in generalYellow is the Painters painted bodies dissolving.
>>731046003That means that there’s a factor to how painted verso was painted that is differentiated from painted Renoir.
>>731045972Were they consciously painted to be different? I thought it was implied that painted Alicia couldn't have been painted healthy even if Alene wanted her to be.
>>731045030I am inclined to agree.While discussing the endings with my girlfriend, she could not understand why would anyone choose Verso's ending. Living while disfigured and handicapped was task much too difficult for her, despite how much suffering she had to dispense on others to keep her "perfect" reality intact.She has never faced actual grief too, so her choice is made solely based on Alicia's physical damages.Started seeing her on a different light and she is definitely not marriage material for me.
>>731046127The maelle ending is a great argument against the 19th amendment’s validity.
>>731045995keeping it going beyond the prologue didn't seem to make a lot of senseI thought the petals during the Gommage was just Lumiere's way of prettying up their friends and loved ones vanishing in a cloud of smoke
>>731045972do you think there's something different between verso and the rest of those characters that would make it difficult to compare him to his painted version? do you know what an allusion is?
>>731046115Its stated twice in the game that when Aliene was making the painted family she amde them to live out a fantasy that the fire "only took Alicia" meaning that her cope was creating a copy of Lumiere where everything was the same except Verso never died and in that she also tweaked Painted Renior out of resentment.
>>731046196it makes sense if it's Renoir showing his love with red roses, making everything gommage in roses kind of loses the meaning of the roses
>>731044276>>731044156They only thing they could do is a prequel or something set somewhere else
>>731042887/v/ told be everyone in this game was white but these are clearly pajeets
>>731046383sciel is a gypsy
>>731046537You can't say that word anymore, anon
>>731046294Your right, upon further review painted Verso is a different person I was conflating the line "one of Ailene's finest creations" with him being a copy when Esique states the relation perfectly.>You’re my friend. Other Verso was also my friend. You are – cousins. Same same, but each different.That still doesn't make Gustave more like real Verso mainly because we never see real Verso as an adult and based off the creation of his Axion he was still very close to painted Verso in many ways.
>>731046115I think it's more that each member is "colored" by how Aline thought of thempRenoir is just as invested in his family as rRenoir, but is protecting her wishes and his grief is amplified to match herspAlicia gets the double whammy of having to be burned to square her belief that Verso is okay and as punishment for causing this all to happenthe Axons are the same idea, just from Renoir's perspectivethis also gives us insight into Clea's personality because she clearly hates both Aline and Renoir's interpretations of her to the point of destroying them
>>731042887Many aren't saying this.
>>731046595Welcome to the internet bitch
>>731043072You're so close to actually getting it yet you're still somehow missing the point.
I really enjoyed it, I just wish Act 3 wasn't so busted. At first I was happy that they made Maelle sucking up all the Expeditioners a cutscene instead of making me do it, but now that I know Act 3 is mostly optional stuff and the right move is to immediately march on Lumiere it's a bit disappointing. If Act 3 had way more structure, the social-link style conversations were better spread out, and we had more time with Sciel/Lune/Monoco talking about the effects of Maelle being a painter and their thoughts/opionions this might've been a 10/10. I also appreciate Verso and Maelle sticking to their guns (bad as it might be) and not having an ultimate happy ending where everything's resolved peacefully. Perfectly showcases the cycle of grief and how people talk past each other and are hypocritical to get what they want. Verso's ending is still way better though
>>731047827My stance is that while Maelle's ending is more moral, Verso's ending is the more fitting ending to the story.
>>731047827I would love to see how many protests the person who made this list attended.
>>731045369>stream watching retard nobody cares what you have to say
>>731048103I'd love to see you hang alongside the rest of your brain-damaged /pol/ friends.
>>731048280What the fuck is a /pol/?
>>731042887The game didn't give you enough time to spend with Gustave to see him develop. When he died, I figured the game was going to bring back eventually towards the second half but by the time I got further, it was clear he wasn't coming back and I actually stopped caring about Gustave.
>>731042887idk how you tell them apart they look exactly the same
>>731046595>wake the fuck up, samurai, we've got a jade beauty to rape
>>731043072>lol jk here's the same characterSame how? Verso and Gustave have very little in common.
>>731043961>>731044056>>731043184You can still fix things with your family anon
>>731044276>Fuck AliciaDon't have to tell me twice.
>>731049595the game literally hands off all of gustave's equipment to him without a word and shoves him into your party and acts like he's always been there
If the paintress was creating a whole copy of her family, why did she make her painted husband an evil dude who wants to fight against her and destroy the canvas? Why couldn’t she just delete his painted version if she created it in the first place?
>>731049738>the game literally hands off all of gustave's equipmentequipment isn't character>without a word and shoves him into your party and acts like he's always been therethere's several cutscenes of everyone questioning him.My bad, I thought you had played the game. Take care.
>>731044156I just hope that in their next game they don’t rug pull their own world building again.
>>731049803Because she wanted a version of Renoir that would fight at every opportunity to keep her in the painting to differentiate him from the real Renoir who wanted her to leave the canvas.
>>731049738>Another anon forgets the main emotional crux of the battlefield area.
>>731044592All the FF from 6 to 10 are amazing even with how dated they are, i was blow away with how good ambient ff8 build with the music after all these years.
>>731049940do you also cry for every bug you step on, retard?
>>731049940That is a symptom of the head writer being new at her job and overcompensating to shore up her lack of experience.This game did not need a lore bible of those 67 years but she wanted to make the characters feel real with depth but is not practiced enough to do that based just off the story and themes, and so instead leaned on worldbuilding to inform the characters instead.Which while not inherently a bad thing as you stated was at odds with the actual interpersonal drama which is focus of the game.
I just enjoyed playing as Gustave.
>>731049940>revealing something that was built up to from the very first moment of the game is a rugpulldumb maellefag
>>731049952Oh yea that’s right.
>>731049803When alicia goes into the painting it's implied that she lacks the skill to resist her mother's mad paintressing skillz or whatever they call it so she gets turned into a different person, so it tracks that renoir and even verso's bit of soul might be strong enough to resist her and stay their own person.
I wonder how long E33 discourse will last. I don't think anyone expected it to last this long.
>>731050449It'll be over just soon, now that we've determined who was right from between these two. You heard about that, right?
>>731044156They went out of their way to establish a larger universe that can just create fantastical stories to jump into, I think it would be a mistake to keep everything tied to the one family that had it's story pretty well wrapped up in the one game. I fully expect their next game to have some reference to the Dessendre family but otherwise have nothing the fuck to do with them.
>>731050449Until their next game gets announced, so 2 or 3 years more.
>>731050569Time will tell. Ultimately, since they have proven themselves to have competent writers, their next game should be good. Will it be as good as E33? Time, again, will tell. Either way, people arguing about which ending is better is a sign of their expertise in their craft. It reminds me of the ending discussions of TLoU 1 vs the complete 180 of TLoU 2. One had a competent writer at the helm while the other did not.
>>731042887Somebody explain to me why Gustave's girlfriend and his sister are the exactly same models?The IA is too much here.
>>731042887Why does Gustave look so weird here
>>731050748True, people wouldn't be arguing about it if it was shit. I just hope they don't mistake what people actually liked about the story and try to keep it staked down where it is instead of exploring more.
>>731050789probably because we see emma once and they expected you not to notice due to hair/hat.
>>731050796This is verso’s and gustav's combat pictures.
>>731050449Verso vs Maelle is shitposting material anon, It will always have a few autists posting it until another AA or indie game does something similar.
>>731050898If the developer team does what they love doing, their next project will succeed much like this one has. It’s the hidden gem of game design. One that has been largely forgotten by AAA.
>>731050917Oh well that explains it
>>731050171>No weapon passives>No skill treeHe's objectively the worst/least in-depth character by design.
What if we are living in a simulation?
>>731051001this, e33's story was pretty much perfectly presented, but the gameplay had some rough edges. So, imo even if the next one doesn't deliver as well on the writing, it will probably be a better game and end up about as renowned.
>>731050789Same reason why the trees/bushes and clouds in SMB1 are the same sprite but recolored, they saved a ton of development time by doing that.A better question is who is the kid in Maelle's ending and why Sandfall zoomed on Verso's hands showing he has a ring in his left hand. Did Maelle give him a wife? The kid is his son?
>>731051094Time will tell. Many game studios, even good ones, get over ambitious and screw up their second project in some manner. Think of OG Bungie’s errors in Halo 2 where they got over ambitious. Still a good game but severely rough.
>>731051225clair obscur 2 going the same way as halo 2 would be playing as a nevron but still killing nevrons instead of expeditioners.
>>731051193I've seen people say it's because he's wearing the renoir suit (which puts a ring on him) but if they modified it enough to get rid of the gold crack bits I doubt removing the ring would've been too difficult. Kid is identical to one of gustave's apprentices, and an apprentice of lune's that goes up to her when they all return to lumiere. Some think it's a body for verso's soul but verso had blue eyes so I sincerely doubt that, last option is it's verso and lune's kid but making their relationship canon when most people would get locked out of it by banging sciel seems like an odd choice, even if it is referenced in the Alicia/Maelle song.That's all the theories I know of.
>>731051193They didn't do it just to save time. Drawing a 2D cloud without any shading was 30-minute task, tops, even in the 90s. It's because the entire game was 32 KB. Shortcuts like those mattered back then, fucking dumbshit zoomer.
>>731042887No
>>731051193>>731050789To me the real question is in the intro. When Gustave and his girlfriend dance at the party, their portrait is painted. In the painting, he has both arms.
>>731042887This is considered white in France and America
>>731045369Is this what Versofags look like? Like a fucking reddit mod. LOL
>>731051385Or playing as Clea and Simon.Either way, I hope they don’t get overly attached to their world in such a way as to lock themselves into exploring a single canvas.
>>731051616>D&Qget new material
>>731042887Any character that isn't part of the Dessendre family is really uninteresting in this game.
>>731050171Same
