The guy who made the Final Fantasy 7 and 8 music ( Two of the greatest soundtracks in overall media history ) is against AII think he is mistaken unfortunately. People are just going to use it create games and art while pretending they aren't. Expect nearly every single beloved game to be remade in 10 years time very quickly with minimal effort because of AI
anti-ai people are actual schizos and stupid though
>>731044214minimal effort also includes a price reduction for 30+ year old design, right?
>>731044395They said the same thing with digital vs physical :(
>>731044214He's right about the process being more important than the product when it comes to the creation of "art", but he definitely doesn't seem to understand how limited AI gens really are (hence the part where it says "he's never used it"). Anyone who has used the shit knows you can't use it to prompt a fucking masterpiece lmao.
>>731044498>Anyone who has used the shit knows you can't use it to prompt a fucking masterpiece lmaoEverything has improved too much in the past few months unironically. I am a software monkey who uses claude code. Quantum leaps are going to happen in 5 years time
>>731044214He also made 1 2 3 4 5 6 and 9 you faggot7 and 8 soundtracks aren't that good thoughUematsu is overrated and FF music isn't that goodLLM shit is mid though
the funny thing im noticing is anti-ai peoples arguments against ai are years behind now. Possibly because they only get their info from echochambers but also just wilfully being ignorant
>>731044631>7 and 8 soundtracks aren't that good thoughlets see you post 5 better soundtracks then you pretentious faget> FF music isn't that goodThis is not even true by any standards. Even 16 which was an average game had a legendary soundtrack
>>731044620nta but yeah ai is extremely good and useful now. I use it all the time.
>>731044620>in 5 years timeSure, maybe. But for now, no one is making anything that compares to the kind of shit Uematsu made. This is the best gen I ever made using DALL-E 3 and even though I'm proud of it, it's no masterpiece.
>>731044771>But for now, no one is making anything that compares to the kind of shit Uematsu madeHow though? I am in software and havent used ai for audio generation but I am 100% sure there is a tool out there where you can feed the entire music catalog of Uematsu and ask it to generate musicYou can generate like 50 tracks and pick the good motifs. Pretty sure all the artists are secretly doing something similar anyway
>>731044771grok literally shits out better stuff than all these local models
>>731044214Half of his music is just ripoffs of western pop songs.
>>731044874they are, actual artists for example cgi artists are using ai all the time now to enhance their work and animate it.I pointed this out to ai-denialists and they chimped out and banned me from a community lel.
>>731044993that true for nearly every single artist. they are ripping off mozart and chopin still
>>731044227This isn't... an argument. If you can just push a button the work is a waste of time lol.
>>731044771>This is the best gen I ever madethe fact some sub-human actually believes this exists....jfc
>>731045357The "work" is supposed to help cultivate your skill is the point. There is some "work" that goes into prompting, which I think Uematsu and other people who haven't used AI don't seem to understand. You can't just press a button, you have to actually think about what you want and sift through gens of garbage until you find something that either matches or meets your standards. That still requires the kind of sensibiltiies artists develop as they struggle to make meaningful, impressive work. It's just a different format.
>"I personally won't use this because I can do better without it">"Okay so you hate AI and you're wrong"I hate Americans. All Americans please just fucking die. Get ICED on the way to your golem jobs.
>>731045431In English, Doc
>>731045678saying >i want to create handmade workthats finesaying>all people who i disagree with should be killed they are golemsthis is extremist mental diarrhoea and not fine
>>731044214He's right; achieving something you're proud of is satisfying.Heads up, kids: you're going to fee very, very empty in life if you don't do anything.
>>731045832No, I just want all Americans to die whether I disagree with them or not. It's called having principles. You wouldn't get it.
>>731046020Yeah thats not a valid argument. Grok delete this subhuman from the world.
>>731044214unc slop composer
>>731045357im guessing you're brown in spirit since you missed the point
>>731046089ChatGPT, make a comprehensive list of reasons why all Americans need to die.I see... stack overflow from too many returned results..
>>731044498I just prompted a musical masterpiece earlier tonight
>Anti-AI people are actual schizos and stupid though.
If you want to gimp yourself to give yourself a challenge, absolutely, more power to you.I think people will, at some point, rather have a product that's okay to good instead of something possibly horrible.
>>731046258Post it. I'll be the judge of wehther it's a masterpiece or not.
>>7310446318 was quite good7 is really bad under the psx composition, his higher quality yamaha xg rendition for the pc release is alright, but yeah the earlier games were still better
>>731044214why do you care if people use ai? and don't say>muh environmentbecause that's just grasping at straws
>>731045534>>731046197Skill doesn't matter as much, or at all, now. People have made similar arguments when things got easier for a variety of things and we now look at them like the fossils they are.
>>731044214But AI is hard to use
>>731045357Spoken by someone who hasn’t ever made anything and never will LOL
>>731044214Uematsu is the GOAT
>>731046259and here I thought you were one of the most retarded tripfags, now I know you are. holy shit
>>731046310https://vocaroo.com/1xsVhlkLygTT
>>731044227>push button>machine excretes a rough idea of what the producer wants>producer hands it to director>director hands it to writer>writer excretes refined version of the rough idea>some back and forth later>final productI can see how this is going to be the standard going forward. Of course nothing stops them to add another layer of machine in between process but this is the fundamental going forward.
>>731046407I dunno, I still respect the effort that goes into creating things that require a ton of effort, especially when they are perfectly executed. Whether or not AI is good at creating commercial art won't invalidate meaningful effort and struggle.
>>731046476It's impressive for being made by an AI, but it's no masterpiece. Good on your for actually posting it, though.
>>731046510You missed>every LLM eventually regresses towards a mean outcome>every idiot ends up with the same script >LLM censorshipAnd the biggest one:>ideas aren’t the hard part>rough drafts aren’t the hard partLove hearing /v/‘s takes on AI it’s a huge ego boost. Also a reminder virtually no one has any skills nor attempts to make anything in their entire life, and if they do they’re more likely to give up because it sucks
>>731046472Pussy is bigmad lol.Generate some slop to feel better, I'm sure it will help.
>>731046713Idea guys unironically believe that they're a special, extremely valuable part of game development. They think that "idea guy" is an actual role on dev teams.
>>731046510I can see this happening, being able to generate a basic framework instead of burning hours on brainstorming would speed things up a lot, but you wouldn't expect a basic concept to carry itself without being repeatedly reworked by an actual person into something viable.
>>731046854>being able to generate a basic framework instead of burning hours on brainstorming would speed things up a lotno it wouldn't. coming up with ideas for a game is never the bottleneck in development, ever.
>>731046928I'm sorry, which games have you worked on to completion, again?
>>731046762>tfw it didn't make me feel any better
>>731047023>idea guy having a meltieyou will never be a real dev.
>i'm against AI!
>>731047124I'm not the one being incredibly defensive about applications for AI, though?
i explained to this a person recently and most people don't get this. Theres somethings ai is good for and other things its unwanted for.I'll try to explain it with this example>an ai writing a fictional book from scratchthis is bad, this is a bad use of ai, this is also moronic, anyone that reads an ai novel is probably actually a moron>an ai generates a 3 hr movie from famous classic book's text.This is amazing use of ai and the future. You will just sit down in the future and ask an ai to generate a tv series from your favourite book.
>>731047152your idea of what game dev is like is extremely childish
There is a jeet scat statue-sized gulf of difference between using code to replicated sprites or textures, to provide dynamic in-game dialogue, or replicate Vader's voice because Earl-Jones is dead, and making music.The former use for A. I. is as a utility -- no different to using a plow instead of ploughing with the fingers; whereas, music is one of the fundamental expressions of creativity of the species -- using cold, dead code to 'compose' it would be to relinquish a core component of what constitutes humanity.
>>731046712What does it lack? I must refine my prompts
>>731047193ai music is retarded, unless its musak.
>>731047190You sound like someone who's never worked in the industry at all, however. Maybe it's a "mileage my vary" issue but if you've never been in a multi-hour brainstorming meeting then I have a hard time giving you any credibility, those things are dreadful timesinks.
>>731047207Just not very catchy and not very moving. Doesn't have much payoff and the melody feels... well, underwhelming. Boring, even. Sounds like the kind of music they'd make us play in middle school orchestra mainly as an exercise in learning the fundamntals of playing as a group. Which is music almost no one enjoyed listening to.
>>731047329lol do you really think that anyone is gonna believe your larp?
>>731046543It's just a stupid emotion you have.>wow anon you're so cool using a screwdriver instead of a drill
>>731046476which website do you use or do you run them locally?I heard a bit of dune in the beginning. And some interstellar like beats
>>731047207It's pretty based but not good for a game, it's too fast.
>>731044214Reject mediocrity!
>>731047343nta but did you study music or something
>>731047380Not my problem if you believe me or not, I know you don't know what you're talking about and frankly that's all that matters in this instance. Good day.
>>731044214>I think he is mistaken unfortunatelyPeople aren't going to pick up on this because they only skim for grammatical errors, but this is 100% jeet phrasing. The jeets with enough of a grasp of english to avoid the usual errors always phrase things in this manner.
>>731044227A lot of AI worshippers are turdies who basically see technology and special effects as something close to literal magic and think that embracing and mastering it means they'll be equal to, and even surpass, actual first world states and finally get revenge on the evil w*ite man.
>>731045357You're either a jeet or spiritually jeet which is just as bad
>>731047508there's a 90% chance that you're an underage third worlder
>>731044214Of course he didn't, he retired way before it ever existed.
>>731047395>stupid emotionA lot of art's value is in its emotional appeal.
>>731044214Automatic Indians can never make worthwhile art. All the AI schizos conveniently ignore the fact that everywhere it is used online, even in convincing applications like spamming linkedin, it is universally hated and ignored. Nobody wants to waste their time on machine generated slop.The only people excited for it are the failures who have no talent to begin with, and won't even bother to learn to make the most of what little AI can do.
>>731047536>>731047541>>731047547100% these posts are a wumao
>>731047547You don't know the actual odds of me being correct because you're talking from complete ignorance. Just let it go.
>>731047596>SAAR ONLY CHINA HATE INDIA #1 COUNTRYholy shit an actual indian
>>731047536jeets can't really appreciate FF music
>>731047630you are blatantly chinese trying to convince westerners to not use ai, while the chinese do
>>731047620lol coming from the retard who thinks that games take 5 years to make because of "multi-hour brainstorm sessions"
>>731047541You're projecting.>>731047564There is no value to art and you can't even tell the difference between real art and "fake" art so your appeal is just delerium. And again you're letting retarded emotions drive your cognition.
meant this>>731047641as a reply to:>>731047515
>>731047515Are you an English language teacher?
>>731047675a soulless stupid person would say that
>>731047504No, but I was in orchestra throughout middle school and high school and I've been playing the guitar for like 20 years and have written some mediocre tunes in the past. I'm definitely nothing special and my opinion is my own, but I'm good at articulating how music makes me feel and why I think it's good or bad. I'd like to imagine I have a refined understanding of what makes good and bad music, but I really don't. Just depends on whether I like it or not, and context makes a big difference when it comes to how a song makes me feel. Having 0 context to work with and nothing but anon's bold claim that he'd made a masterpiece automatically put me on the defensive in terms of openness to the song, but I doubt I'd like it very much even if it was the BGM to a game. It'd just be like, "yeah, this isn't awful sounding, which is nice." Point is that it's nothing like Uematsu's music, which is genuinely moving and inspires nostalgia. That's the kind of shit that I would consider to be a masterpiece.
>>731047673Not what I said but since you're desperately grasping at straws to seem informed I don't think there's anything more to discuss. And yes, those meetings are real and they're dreadful, by the way.
noticed how the wumao stopped when called out kekfucking sneaky chinks
>>731047675>There is no value to artWhat? Lol. Are you serious?
Third worlders love AI art because they do not have a culture that values art. They fundamentally do not appreciate or understand art. Don't believe me? How many of the great artists you can think of come from a third world shithole?
>>731047715You don't have a principled argument, you're a mentally challenged retard that runs on emotions.>>731047790What's the intrinsic value of art? What is art?
>>731047929Mahmoud Farshchian is one of the greatest artists of all time, and he's Iranian.
>>731047981your argument is literally mental impairment though.You are low iq and not intelligent enough to understand the difference between a real piece of art and a copy.
>>731048096More projection lol.
>>731047929Could be partially trueI am a code monkey and AI is literally helping me move 2x faster atleast. I was a brainlet getting stuck on problems and syntax before this
>>731047981>What's the intrinsic value of art? What is art?It's the human ability to create things of great beauty out of thin air.You can't possibly expect me to consider that farce of an article you posted as an example of what anyone sane would consider to be "art".
>>731047981Anyone who can convince some rich retard to pay money for literally nothing is an artist in my eyes. Besides, the whole fucking point of art is that it's useless. If it was useful we'd call it engineering. A toilet does infinitely more important work in its daily life than the fucking Mona Lisa does, but work isn't really what you expect from a painting now is it?
>>731047981>post image that showcases art can be haggled for numerical value even without physical substance>claim "proper" people solely function with logicyou're a low functioning autist, we don't need your opinions online
>>731044227work smart not hard
>>731044214Developers being in favor of AI generated filler textures and environments I get, but why would a music composer be in favor of AI? He's stating the obvious.
>>731047168you're going to need to explain it to me too because i don't get your example>ai make book... BAD>ai make movie... GOOD
I write my own stories and song lyrics but have been using AI to make instruments much faster than I could with a typical keyboard and DAW. I sympathize with his frustration. But being able to sing the electric guitar melody I have in mind, get it back within 15 seconds, only to then make some minor adjustments before moving on to percussion and bass is too amazing to not utilize.
>>731048234>>731048248>>731048291Embarrassing display of hysterics.
>>731048546cope and seethe glownigger golem
>>731048546Sorry, anon, but you are an imbecile. Art isn't even that difficult to wrap one's head around.
Wow this thread is full of indians...
>>731044214>Expect nearly every single beloved game to be remade in 10 years time very quickly with minimal effort because of AIWhy would I buy any of those games? I'll just push the magic prompt button and create those remakes myself for free.
>>731048932>I'll just push the magic prompt button and create those remakes myself for free.This could be true and I see this happening since I work in software myself but it could take upto 30 - 50 years for the technology to be at that level. It is definitely happening but we would be too old for it
>>731048981Nah, we achieve fusion reactors faster than real AI. LLM is a glorified search engine that doesn't think for itself whatsoever, its as intelligent as you pushing CTRL+F on your keyboard when looking for (You)s.
This guy doesn't even compose music anymore. Hasn't for many years and just sits and moans about everything. His music has no depth and just sounds like whimsical gamey music with dated sound quality.Yasunori Mitsuda fucking mogs him and is still composing heavily.
>>731049040yeah, anyone who has really tried to get stuff out of ai besides really basic and simple stuff, knows how it doesn't work. It's dumb as shit and clearly can't understand what it is actually even creating.
>>731049156>it makes some mistakes >it badit's better than you ever will be
>>731049103>Yasunori MitsudaName 2 tracks from him that are better than the popular ff7 tracks
>>731049204>tracks from 30 years ago Ok unc
>>731049156>anyone who has really tried to get stuff out of ai besides really basic and simple stuff, knows how it doesn't work.this was true but you dont see how it is improving? I remember the claude original model was pretty shit. I used the new model and it is overwhelmingly good. I see improvements happening very quickly
>>731049204Literally anything off Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Xenogears
>>731049239no, but really though. Music is eternal. Besides Mitsudas tracks are also pretty old so I dont know what you are on about with the time aspect
>>731049249Name 2 tracks that are better. you cant because there arent any better
>>731049103My nigga, FF8 & FF9 have some of the best music ever created for a videogame, final fantasy wouldn’t be the same with uematsu music
>>731049249CC's OST is amazing but it's at like the same level as FF7-9. At this point you're just grasping at straws.
>>731046851Itagaki once said that the most important part of game design is a game's identity. The "idea guy" is a role on the team; it should be the director himself. The "idea guy" is the guy who defines the identity of the game.
there's not a single original song in chrono trigger, it's all stolen
>>731049248You can only really do so much when a fundamental aspect is flawed. Until hallucination and stuff like that is solved, AI will always be unreliable as it will literally just make shit up, while sounding like it is confidently correct even when it is wrong.
this is the most backwards-ass logic i have ever heard. nothing great has ever been created through hardship.>>731044498>the process being more important than the productif this was the case, people would watch the artists paint instead of looking at the painting. the process does not matter at all.>>731047929AI haters hate AI because they cannot fathom the idea of art being more important than lining their pockets and ego. they cannot fathom art being free.fuck indians btw vishnu is a false god
>>731049337The only JRPGs you've played are Final Fantasy lmaohttps://youtu.be/ewqzzCXgj6E?si=dDsJr0vDn12WIuCcThis absolutely destroys One Winged Angel which is so fucking overrated.
>>731049201>>it makes some mistakes >>it badwell yeah, dude
why are incels afraid of AI becoming better and replacing humans?
>>731049535Incels are the ones defending AI though.
>>731049435>he thinks a director gives out vague ideas and then fucks offLOL
>>731049495Anon, its ok if you like it, but you can’t compare that to this in good faith lmaohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYdf0yqK_Fc&list=RDmYdf0yqK_Fc&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaFzvQQFCrc&list=RDTaFzvQQFCrc&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp8pw3Zc8pk&list=RDGp8pw3Zc8pk&start_radio=1
>>731049453The process matters more TO THE PERSON CREATING THE ART, anon. And to other people who create similar art who can appreciate the craftsmanship that went into it. Most consumers have no idea how to make any of the things they consume, they simply judge the end product. You can't expect much more from someone who has no interest otherwise, but you cannot deny what a shallow approach that is to the thing in question.
>>731049570yup. trannies are the ones who hate AI.
both far left and far right exremists are retards and not welcome in ai discussion. Keep your horseshoe politics out of it.Anyone can use ai, its for everyone its not political.You retarded trannies
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>>731049581Is this your brain on A.I or are you just retarded? You just extrapolated a completely stupid, fictional interpretation of my words and then wrote nonsense,
>>731049589One Winged Angel sounds like fucking clown music lmao, I cant take those MIDI sounds seriously at all.Uematsu was still using his old Roland while Mitsuda was using higher quality MIDI and innovated using vocal samples.
>>731049248AI still fucks up the hands when you prompt stuff with newer models. The korean AI model looked super-realistic, only then in behind the scenes you realize theres a team of 3D-modelers and animators, an actress doing motion cap and separate voice actress for the "AI model". The actual AI use was minimal, just a filter on top of 95% studio production team made stuff behind it.Then you see the video of a pajeet doing motion cap for a blonde advertiser AI chick and realize the chick is also a mix of a 3D model, motion cap and AI filter on top because when the pajeet turns around, the AI never makes errors with fingers or the girls nonexistent cat ear headset, because the headset and 90% of the woman is just a motion capped 3D model.The AI didn't get any better, they just took all the Vtuber motion capped stuff, added an AI filter on top and called it improved AI. How the fuck is it improved if you have to have a whole studio behind the scenes to maintain it?
>>731047675>There is no value to artYeah that's why billions of dollars have been exchanged relating to art (movies, books, games, music) and why billions more now have been exchanged for something that can "make" "art" You lost this early in the thread lol
>>731049759it doesnt fuck up hands anymore lol
>>731049603i create art and i do not see how the process matters at all. i do not give a fuck about the craftmanship that went into something. some things have no craftmanship at all and they are beautiful. some things are beautiful because they are extremely simple.i wish i could just think of the art i want to make and BAM there it is. the only thing the process does is chain you down into working with what you are capable of doing instead of letting your imagination run wild.
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>>731049824Yet even with vidya and movies, we are seeing more and more that limitations bring creativity, and lack of limitations creates more low quality slop.
>>731049809Yes it does. All the basic mistakes remain, the Amelia threads last week were full of the usual finger and melting necklace errors.
>>731049734Hey, not every single song he wrote was a total banger. But he wrote enough bangers that he deserves his reputation as a legend among vidya music composers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLMCiWgyVDYJust listen to that shit. Doesn't it melt ur fuckin' heart?
i much prefer interacting with and talking to ai, its ironic that ai is more pleasant and constructive to talk to than most peopleA lot of people on the internet like here for example are almost bot like in the way they talk, they just repeat the same mental spergitude over and over for years
>>731049824They are simple because they've been refined through hardship, anon. No one just shits out awesome things from nowhere.
>>731049925I love Melodies of Lifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye7BGnlTZmQ&list=RDYe7BGnlTZmQ&start_radio=1
>>731049915not really, you are years behind
>>731049925>>731049734NTA but I love her theme too much. Maybe because I am sentimental and my life is a tragedy as wellhttps://youtu.be/ujrn-yfo8Ts?t=33s
>>731049963>i much prefer interacting with and talking to ai, its ironic that ai is more pleasant and constructive to talk to than most peopleYep, I absolutely agree with this. The AI has become like my little buddy that I can refer back to when I have something serious to discuss. 4chan is just a dumping ground for morons and most people I know IRL couldn't care less about the kinds of things I need to hash out in depth.
>>731049824>i create art and i do not see how the process matters at all. i do not give a fuck about the craftmanship that went into something. some things have no craftmanship at all and they are beautiful. some things are beautiful because they are extremely simple.Oh you're one of those art school "artists" who tape garbage on their heads, take a picture and call it high art. Nobody thinks thats actual art. Only reason millionaires pay money for a painting of a color vomit is so they can launder money with it.
>>731049925For me it's Answershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86icWXs0CQ
>>731050007Yes really the threads happened 2 days ago and were full of AI prompters.
>>731049963>I like AI because it's agreeable and says things that I want to hear
>>731050043it says it all when humans becoming worse conversation than a mindless machine these people are literally degenerates if a machine is more insightful and good conversation than they are,Also makes me ponder about the philosophy of it, does a machine even need to be truly alive and truly intelligent to be good conversation.
The Dalle threads across the site really just helped prove more so than any screeching artist, that creativity is simply something not everyone has. Those threads were all literal wastelands of soullessness, just the same characters and things over and over with slight differences for thousands of posts.
>>731050092>implying this is a bad thingThe fact that people consider this to be a valid criticism is really telling about the absolute state of people in 2026. The AI makes a lot of mistakes, ones that are your own responsibility to pick up on. It tries to answer you to the best of its ability and will give you its undivided attention. If you think that's a bad thing then idk what to tell you.
>>731049925I was really disappointed with got no Black Mages song in the ff7 remakeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTCNFVx_zWA&list=RDYTCNFVx_zWA&start_radio=1
>>731049824>i do not give a fuck about the craftmanship that went into something. some things have no craftmanship at all and they are beautiful.Then you haven't made art have you.
>>731049905we have gotten the most interesting movies in the modern era when anyone can grab a camera and record stuff. there are thousands of videos uploaded daily that range from a couple minutes to hours. i think that's amazing, despite a lot of it not being made with passion, we wouldn't have those outstanding interesting projects if it wasn't for artistic freedom. i don't think people having to hurl a bigass camera to do it would make it better. don't know what you're talking about. stuff like:https://www.youtube.com/@gakhed
>>731050157Worst is Pixiv and Sadpanda where prompters just fail to realize that you don't have dump every single prompt result in a gallery because now for 1 every half-decent image you get 200 broken fingers and uncanny valley bullshit.
>>731049925That isn't in the game though. I'm sorry but Uematsu is only praised cause he wrote music for a really popular JRPG series and is the only one a lot of people have played or grew up on. If you swapped FF7's One Winged Angel with Xenogears' Awakening during Sephiroth fight everybody would glaze that instead and crown Mitsuda "the greatest video game composer of all time".The only praise I can really give uematsu is that he generally writes awesome battle music.
>>731050083i gen ai fetish pics and videos of women in chains and leather and its all accurate.>>731050092i disagree with it all the time and its sometimes wrong, and through the discussion or argument i reach solutions and discover things.
>>731044214He uses digital techniques that already automate the production process so he's a hypocritical luddite.
>>731049453>if this was the case, people would watch the artists paint instead of looking at the paintingThis was Jackson Pollock's whole deal and a whole generation of degenerates believed that was real art.
>>731049824>wish i could just think of the art i want to make and BAM there it is.You can, it's called creating, drawing, playing an instrument etc.
>>731050157>creativity is simply something not everyone has Yeah, no shit. That's part of the reason why all the fear people have about AI ruining art or whatever is nonsense. Skilled and passionate creative people will always be able to make good use of the tools at their disposal. Hacks will always be hacks.
>>731049982>No one just shits out awesome things from nowhere.yes they do
>>731050259>i gen ai fetish pics and videos of women in chains and leather and its all accurate.No its not, I've seen enough of those same galleries in Sadpanda and they are shit. The best gallery was just putting AI filter on top of already drawn art from artist like that chinese JM who is in prison. Why the fuck would I bother checking a gallery of plagiarism when I can just check the gallery of originals in the same site?
>>731044214>"the guy who made 7 and 8 music">uses spaces at the start and end of parenthesis>"I think"Nigga no you don't. You're either a street shitter, an AI yourself, or a bot. If you knew jack shit, you'd know Nobuo made almost ALL FF music, not just 7 and 8, and he's absolutely right.Think about it: How many songs do you remember from modern AAA games, with their fancy-ass full-orchestra soundtracks? A handful, at best. Nobuo made songs on the fuckin' NES with Midi and limited note range/instrument sounds, and the SNES, before he ever touched the capabilities of a Playstation and CD storage. And this nigga has worldwide concerts TO THIS DAY that sell out regularly. Those old 8bit songs endure because of his quote: Hardship. He had hardship designing memorable songs with limited formats and space, and yet, despite this, or because of it, they are far more memorable and reminisced on today. Meanwhile, noone's gonna remember the random-ass shit or at best, "oh that sounds kinda familiar" if they hear orchestral shit from cawadoody or other modern games, INCLUDING FF16. It has a few bangers, but they're nowhere near as memorable. Soken is a great guy and has some solid, memorable hits of his own, but he isn't quite Nobuo's level and still puts out some "eh" stuff. Ironically, Soken's best work happened while he was in and out of the hospital, having, that word again, Hardship. Shadowbringers' Main Theme, 5.3 music, LA HEE, all while he was suffering and easily his best work. But his collab work with Tom Morello on Everything Burns? Meh. Not that great, and makes no fucking sense for the fight it's used in.I genuinely believe that song existed before Soken/Squeenix got involved and Morella + Squeenix came to an agreement to pretend it was a collab for mutual advertisement more than anything.
>>731046510That would be nice if that happened but you get shit like the cod 7 campaign and that shit was horrible
>>731044498>the process being more important than the productRetarded. This is the type of anti-meritocracy that we see in ooga booga primitive societies >get promoted despite output being shit just because you did it the "traditional" way
>>731050347its stupid people uploading shit stuff? You can use grok to make 10 minute dramas and everything is accurate.>ai cant do handsthis aged poorly and hasn't been true for a while now
My favorite are AI pajeets whining that their prompts were "stolen" by other prompters. So much for "creativity should be for everyone", you're just a lazy cunt who wants the gloat of an artfag but without the effort.
>>731050312>have absolutely no experience playing the trumpet>don't even know how to blow into one Don't you think it's a little silly for me to expect to see a trumpet lying around, pick it up, and suddenly play a song on it that will be revered for generations?
>>731047536That's true minus the racism. It's the great equalizer for retards, except it's not, except it is because a lot of people are retards, way more than the people that are unretarded
>>731050437>You can use grok to make 10 minute dramas and everything is accurate.Lie>this aged poorly and hasn't been true for a while nowAnother lie. Amelia threads were once again full of broken hands. Because AI can't figure out hands, people use 3D model plugins and motion cap instead so AI doesn't need to generate hands at all.
>>731050046>art school "artists" who tape garbage on their headsThose people have a better understanding of art than you
>>731050526Keep telling yourself that when you're paying the student debt.
>it skips the workIf it skips the work then it has no value, at least when it comes to art. If it has no value then i wont buy it, simple as.
>>731050518not a lie. You basically staple the clips together one after the other, you can make a video as long as you have the patience for.You sound like you are from an echochamber and are years behind the times on ai
>>731050420>guy who understands the process gets promoted over someone who doesn't but miraculously creates better workOne of those people will do better in the long run. Doesn't take much to figure out who I'm referring to.
Man I kinda like ai for porn and memes and because it makes people seethe, but I do hate people trying to sell it to me. I ain't gonna buy it.
>>731050383The only person i have seen come close to Uematsu has been Ryota Kozuka from the smt series, his last work on smt vv it just chef kisshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqQ--VrRJYQ&list=RDXqQ--VrRJYQ&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPtJVXxZDRY&list=RDFPtJVXxZDRY&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK72sfCwkOo&list=RDTK72sfCwkOo&start_radio=1
>>731050258He's praised because he makes good music. Even his NES work is among the best because he's a great composer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGon-8yS9xIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GANINrVaM-ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqYxwYhSRkQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79iWS0reUGA
>>731050615I studied hard science at uni.I reiterate: those people have a better understanding of art than you.
>>731050625worst ostwort gameplayliterally the worst smt chef kiss my anus , you don't have the patience to play games, why am i supposed to suffer from your stupidity? >>731050678Oh it's a bot, yeah that makes sense LMAO
>>731050383>If you knew jack shit, you'd know Nobuo made almost ALL FF musicI know he did the others as well, except the ones Shimomura and soken made and still continues to contribute to a track or two in the remakesI picked 7 and 8 because those are my favorites. Stop seething
>>731050701meant for >>731050571
>>731050727What the fuck are you talking about? I just like the FF2 and FF3 OSTs
>>731050383Mitsuda absolutely dunks on Poomatsu. You think Poomatsu was tje only one writing MIDI music? Lmao, the MIDI sounds he was using during FF7/8/9 were also dated as fuck back then too. Nigga couldn't even be bothered to upgrade the sound quality, he was still using SNES sounds lmao. >>731050625Mitsuda clears Uematsu
>>731050615>guy who adapts to new tools to do something to the same or greater standard more efficiently gets promoted over someone who does it the "traditional," "soulful" way.One of those people will do better in the long run. Doesn't take much to figure out who I'm referring to.
>>731050625Those are...interesting. First one's not bad, 2nd is shit, 3rd sounds like you took SMRPG + random NES or SNES sidescrolling beat em ups and fused them, it's neat.>>731050740>8 is your favoriteSo you've just confirmed you have shit taste then, the only FF worse is 13.
Well, the schizo enter already the tread, good tread guys, pick it up, we are leaving.
>>731050701I honestly don't even understand what the hell point you're trying to make anymore. Anyone who studies "hard science" understands complex systems. Art is a complex system.
>>731050474and you think going through hardship playing the trumpet is gonna make you write that song? look at the dozens of youtube channels with perfectly trained asian piano players who are able to play amazing solos but don't stand out at all and it all sounds like generic drama music. yeah, it's like that.hardship only makes you think the hard work itself is amazing, when the opposite is true.mozart was the greatest composer of all time and he was basically a shitposter. his heart was just in it. he played for fun. great art is created with fun. i don't know what kind of self-hatred must go into thinking anything else.>>731050046>>731050223can you guys settle down and let me know how wanting art to be free means i supposedly hate art?>>731050292>man i wish i could just imagine food and have it in my hand>you can do that it's called cookingkek retard
>>731050701>I studied hard science at uni.No you didn't. You're a larping jobless pajeet.
i studied pussy at the university of your mom-this joke was written by Grok
>>731050913>can you guys settle down and let me know how wanting art to be free means i supposedly hate art?Art price depends on the demand of that art. You're free to draw as many stick figures or Croquis sketches for yourself as you want. Nobody is stopping you. But nobody is going to buy it from you either.
>>731044227https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Wendiglol the autor is a literal chud loser basedboy
>>731050951Pajeets are more likely to hold the primitive definition of art as "pretty-looking object" rather than the more sophisticated one that addresses the social conditions of art held by art school students.
>>731049915So fucking close on the first try, goddamn ChatGPT you fucking retard.
>>731050873Is it the Mitsuda guy? Never seen him before and I usually enter most FF threads
>>731051030free as in freedom, you retarded bot. holy kek
>>7310442146 is a better ost than 7.He made that one too
Just gonna post some more Uematsu tracks because I like 'emhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV611JfkIW4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd_FyPn6SuQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH-Pddk-_4whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUDqUozYYKghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKZ7vVIbK7shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1H0x41kGj8
>>731044214Actually it's more talent and ability to use tools. Most AI users are talentless hacks that don't understand their tools nor the details of the art they are making. The AI is limited by their own stupidity.
>>731050913Please get a trip so I don’t have to read your stupidity
>>731044214He's old, made his money and fame, it doesn't matter. And yeah no shit it is more rewarding to make something yourself. Won't save new artists in terms of jobs.
>>731051081>rather than the more sophisticated one that addresses the social conditions of art held by art school students.Thats an excuse made by art students so they can think they're above everyone else, or they think they can convince a millionaire to pay them 100k for a roll of toilet paper they taped on a wall. Art always serves some tangible purpose and always has. People painted figures on vases because pretty vases sell better than regular ones. The most beautiful mosaics that still exist today were commissioned by nobles who wanted their gardens to look cool. The expensive art auctions flopped massively a year back when Trump gave chinese tariffs and chinks couldn't launder money by buying overpriced abstract art pieces anymore.
>>731051165you can just leave the thread if differing, better argumented opinions trigger you so hard, precious little snowflake
>>731051030This. No one is stopping anyone from making shitty gesture drawings. If that's what you aspire to, then go for it. Takes a lot more discipline to paint something like >>731048036, and you won't have that discipline if you're only concerned with the final product. In fact, you, the same anon championing "simplicity", are a prime example of someone who is NGMI. You simply don't have the discipline to create something that requires a shit ton of doubt and effort. You are ok with making something painfully mediocre that impresses no one and then patting yourself on the back for it. That's fine-- it's the first step to a long, hard road of creative output. But it's far from the endgame. Very, very far.
>>731051132That doesn't change anything. You already have the freedom to create whatever you want. It doesn't mean anyone is going to buy it.
im pretty convinced a sizeable chunk of anti-ai spam is chinese shills lol. the chicoms are mad ai is giving the west a new competitive edge.Explains why their useful idiots in the west are also rabidly anti-ai
>>731051159it isnt. 7 is banger after banger
>>731051323No, it is people who haven't used it properly. I see it on reddit as well with their seething and that is majorly a us centric site.People will think about it differently in 5 years since it has been improving
>>731051271i make art that i enjoy making and the people that other people enjoy seeing. in what way have i not made it?
>>731044874>>How though? I am in software and havent used ai for audio generation but I am 100% sure there is a tool out there where you can feed the entire music catalog of Uematsu and ask it to generate music>>You can generate like 50 tracks and pick the good motifs. Pretty sure all the artists are secretly doing something similar anywayThis. Everyone is doing it from every place, it is not even a secret, just not mouthed in words.
>>731044214I wouldn't want him to switch to AI either, or any other professional, but I enjoy genning music for myself however, and that's the realm it should stay in.
>>731051239No, it's just a more sophisticated explanation of art that addresses such problems as: the resistance of art to definition; the variation of artistic form across time and space; the social conditions of art; the anthropological purpose of art etc. etc. "Beauty = objective; art = beautiful object" offers zero explanatory power in the face of these questions; it's just a big game of question begging.
>>731051387its definately chinese. The chinese are sneaky they are using ai while lying and pretending they banned it.Ive seen chinese shills attack people for using ai when they are using it themselves, they only post this shit on western websites too.They are trying to badly convince westerners to not use ai while they use ai
>>731051404>made itThat's a standard I guess it's up to you to decide on. Personally, I find what you are posting to be laughably lazy. I think the only people who would say otherwise are just trying to spare your feelings. Either that, or they have no standards of their own.
>>731044214>Hardship is what makes the creative process rewarding.>Everything will now be made by AI prompted by out of touch rich kids that live in a bubbleI knew AI would already be soulless but now it's going to be even more soulless.
>>731051530Invisible spirits do not inhabit objects.
>>731051553you loterally have no proof of this
>>731051584The burden of evidence is in fact on you.
>>731046165>unc slop composerLOL
>>731051553That's because of American consumerism culture. Something breaks? Should I fix it? Fuck no I'll buy a new one. Very few things reach 100 years in the USA.
>>731051638It's actually just because magic isn't real.
>>731051553That's some chink tier thinking
>>731045357>literally never built anything in their life
>>731044214>>731044227>no sourcedishonest trash
>>731051445>No, it's just a more sophisticated explanation of artIts a more sophisticated way of trying to launder money: https://youtu.be/dvcg1ytmtVA?si=NaAHb7ZMJ5rlxFA6
>>731051529you must really hate artists like Bob Ross huh. I'd love to see what you consider good art.
>>731051667Chinks are actually some of the last animists left on Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism#Chinese_religionsThe White Man alone invented materialism.
>>731051667>>731051620Respect your elders gwailo.>>731051664Magic has existed for millennia. Your precious atoms have "existed for less than a century. You can't tell me that chip manufacturing doesn't use demon magic.
>>731045357>If you can just push a button the work is a waste of time lol.Almost all the fun of creating it's actually creating. If you're just going to prompt something up then you're clearly just doing it for the sake of money rather than actually having the desire to create.
>>731044214>Fantasy 7 and 8 music ( Two of the greatest soundtracks in overall media history)Massively overrated, I remember only a couple songs from FF7 and none of 8
>>731051746this is how we know materialists chinks are in the thread>duh white man created duh materialism
>>731051768>Respect your elders gwailoYou're probably some 22 year old chimpanzee
>>731051529>>731051734or even Picasso, etc. for that matter. well, i don't. i think they're great. if you want to torture yourself to make "art", you can. but i think it will only reflect your torture, and one day, you will learn that.
>>731046310Holy shit, this is amazing. It sounds like it's from the best Russian composers combined with Japanese fantasy jazz. A soundtrack for a dreamscape. I can close my eyes and see myself being someone else, someone good. And then I'm just a page in a book that will never be written. I am literally crying.
>>731051768>Magic has existed for millenniaCorrection: people have believed in magic for millennia.People have also believed the Sun goes around the Earth for millennia.
>>731047536This feels like some kinda projected fear
>>731051260I’m not arguing or debating you, you’re a ape with opinions worth less than dirt.
>>731051829Meant for >>731046476Endless talent, I love you bro.
>>731048036Iran is second world
>>731047536>even surpass, actual first world states and finally get revenge on the evil w*ite man.By creating IR cuckold porn.
>>731051776>Almost all the fun of creating it's actually creating. IWhich you can now do by pressing buttons. You don't like art.
>>731051802Based brown subhuman who knows nothing about White history>Ancient Greek atomists like Leucippus, Democritus and Epicurus prefigure later materialists. The Latin poem De Rerum Natura by Lucretius (99 – c. 55 BC) reflects the mechanistic philosophy of Democritus and Epicurus. According to this view, all that exists is matter and void, and all phenomena result from different motions and conglomerations of base material particles called atoms (literally "indivisibles"). De Rerum Natura provides mechanistic explanations for phenomena such as erosion, evaporation, wind, and sound. Famous principles like "nothing can touch body but body" first appeared in Lucretius's work. Democritus and Epicurus did not espouse a monist ontology, instead espousing the ontological separation of matter and space (i.e. that space is "another kind" of being)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism
>>731051849again, if arguments make you throw a tantrum, you can leave the thread instead of publically crying about it.
>>731051734I literally posted an example right here >>731048036. And no, I don't hate Bob Ross. His entire thing is about the process of painting as being a soothing, meditative practice. What he makes isn't exactly ground-breaking, but it's far better than some lazy scribbles by a pseud with an inflated sense of self-worth. His lines and brush work are that of someone who has actually made an effort to git gud and learn different techniques. If his drawings looked like the kind of crap you've been posting, then no one would take him seriously kek.
>>731051923>Which you can now do by pressing buttons.Which isn't creating, is it.You put words into a textbox and let something else do it.
>>731051937saying whites are materialists is a canard of racist brown people though you imbecile. Its implying white people do not have spirituality.And asians are some of the most materialist people on earth.
>>731044214>Expect nearly every single beloved game to be remade in 10 years time very quickly with minimal effort because of AIAnd guess what I won't be buying.
>>731051937>a few philosophers represent all whiteswhy are racists so retarded to themselves lol
>>731051107only 4 blue apples there, retard.
>>731046510>>writer excretes refined version of the rough ideaThis is the guy that gets eliminated btw. And the other 98 guys that worked on every piece of writing related to the final product including the sleeve notes. And the 99 guys that worked on everything sound-related, and the 99 guys that worked on everything art/design-related. Including the UI click noises and the logo for the leaflet for the test screening party.But I guess those 297 guys have time to Uber each other around now?
>>731052005It's used as an insult because it's true.Materialism, atheism, naturalism, science etc. are the Whitest "religions" and superstitious browns, who have had their primitive beliefs btfo'd by these White thought systems, resent this fact
>>731044214Why do I occasionally see threads about this? It’s old news and going by the amount of replies it seems lots of you fool live under rocks.
>>731044214MOTHERFUCKERS COULDNT USE A COLOR PICTURE?! I ALMOST BAWLED MY GUTS OUT
>>731052069I in fact think it's a great honour to belong to a race of people who invented reason and science>In France, Pierre Gassendi (1592–1665)[13] represented the materialist tradition in opposition to the attempts of René Descartes (1596–1650) to provide the natural sciences with dualist foundations. There followed the materialist and atheist abbé Jean Meslier (1664–1729), along with the French materialists: Julien Offray de La Mettrie (1709–1751), Denis Diderot (1713–1784), Étienne Bonnot de Condillac (1714–1780), Claude Adrien Helvétius (1715–1771), German-French Baron d'Holbach (1723–1789), and other French Enlightenment thinkers.[14]>In England, materialism was developed in the philosophies of Francis Bacon (1561–1626), Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679),[15] and John Locke (1632–1704).[16] Scottish Enlightenment philosopher David Hume (1711–1776) became one of the most important materialist philosophers in the 18th century.[17] John "Walking" Stewart (1747–1822) believed matter has a moral dimension, which had a major impact on the philosophical poetry of William Wordsworth (1770–1850).
>>731051923NTA. It's like playing sports and spending hours with your buds every week training/practicing. Then having fun watching sports when you're too old and fat to play a real game.I could push a button to make an AI rendered sports game video where I win, but there's no fun in that.
>>731052141Kek, Also realized because it is pretty good OP pic for bait because people will think he died like you at first sight
>>731052136It is used as a general AI discussion thread with a v twist
good evening saars
>>731052094Read the post, retard
>>731052183you didnt invented anything.>>731052118you are an idiot and dont get the point. Materialism is being used here as in materialisticYou have dunning kruger.
>>731052183>its le honour to be [unrelated to a bunch of historic figures]you are a faggot mutt paddy with no relation to these people
>>731052298Magic, demons and spirits aren't real, Pablo.
>>731052136Most of the "discussion" are also the same arguments over and over so these might as well be shillbot threads.
>>731044620Every programmer I've ever met who uses AI regularly raves about how great it is that they can hammer out programs so fast while focusing on design and problem solving instead of the nitty-gritty little stuff, but their actual output speed in terms of time from start to finished product stays the same and they start running into issues with their software that they never had before. It reminds me a lot of how electric cars spend significantly more time in a professional garage being worked on than gas cars, but EV owners still report high satisfaction with their vehicles. I think you're just more excited to be part of "the future" than you are actually seeing any real benefits.
>>731052401i never argued they are you cretin. im making the point materialist is being used as a pejorative you literal autist mutt retard.
>>731052364I'm actually 50/50 French/Anglo.In any case, magic isn't real and the White Man proved it.
>>731051734People don't value individual paintings made by Bob Ross, people value his tv show where he teaches basics of painting. Bob Ross as brand has value but a Bob Ross painting does not have much value.
>>731051865>>731051829Thanks bro ;_; I worked real hard on the prompt.
I love AI because bluesky screeching trannies hate AI. Simple as.
>>731051923>>731045357The process of "creating" with AI is more analogous to commissioning someone else to draw or compose something for you than drawing or composing it yourself. Do you consider commissioners artists? Do you consider submitting a skeb request to be the act of creation?
>>731044771If you really like it, why not take a couple of hours in Photoshop to fix all the errors? Thats the one part I don't understand about the Dall-E threads, people see the obvious mutant fingers and other errors but don't bother fixing them.
>>731052487Pretty gay reason, but good for you I guess.
>>731052469>frenchkek. And a good number of western scientists and philosophers etc are going to be of jewish ancestry and you are claiming relation
>>731052441It's used as a pejorative precisely because of >>731052118 The etymology is a straight line. The wholesome chungus spiritual brown vs. the evil decadent *materialist* White
>>731049495>AIAIAIAIAAIAIAIAIAcretinus maximus de la pathetico
>>731052551no the insult has connotations like consumerist you cretin, im sure you have spammed consoomer a bunch of times in your shitposting career.It also implies whites are soulless. Again the irony is asia is very materialist, and spiritual asia is a myth.Tl;dr you are poltarded and mutted.
>>731052549>kekReddit safe racism >And a good number of western scientists and philosophers etc are going to be of jewish ancestry and you are claiming relation100% true and I would take a European Jew over a resentful brown any day. It's precisely their lack of resentment that allowed them to be so successful in the West
>>731052637but you are not jewish so you are not related to them kekClaiming relation to dead famous people because of their le skin is niggerish behaviour
>>731051923>>731052529Creation has nothing to do with it. AI will always only generate generic slop because 99% of images fed into its image banks are generic slop. Its quality will always be slightly shittier version of the original, which most likely wasn't that amazing to begin with. On the flipside theres no way to make money with AI art whatsoever because even when all future scenarios of pajeets become true and AI is now a magic button that generates anything you want, there is no market for art anymore because nobody can offer a piece of art that someone can't create back in their homes. Nobody eats in a restaurant where chef microwaves grocery store frozen pizza and asks 30 bucks for it.
>>731051961>inflated sense of self-worthdon't know where you're getting that from. as i said, i am satisfied making art i like and people enjoying it. you are the one seeing yourself like you're the main character on some grand quest of artistic achievement.>His lines and brush work are that of someone who has actually made an effort to git gud and learn different techniquenoone likes for his brush work or whatever, but because he visibly loves what he does and taught anyone to do it too. without hardship. literally anyone can copy him. and i bet your pseudointellectual ass could not tell the difference. picrel is a guy literally painting for the first time in his life and just copying ross. "but you can't just pick up the brush and have fun, that's impossible!" you would say, huh?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX5b5LvbR7Q>posted an example right hereah, that explains it. the art you posted looks like cheap garbage made by someone on a bad acid trip. it looks like a cheap rug my slavic grandma with no taste would hang on a wall. keep thinking it's some high renowned art, noone in this thread has heard of it before or will take YOU seriously kek.anyway i gotta go
>>731052532You think that because you are a bluesky tranny though.
>>731052621Yes, and words like consumerist, soulless etc. only have pejorative force when presupposing some non-materialist worldview.>and spiritual asia is a mythTraditional Chinese medicine, Shinto etc. Asians are more spiritual than Whites, which is a bad thing for them.
>>731052530The whole point is keeping it as a reference for what the AI is capable of. The one aspect of that gen that I find the most egregious is the weird belt. There is little else wrong in that gen, which is pretty impressive considering how long ago it was generated. It also took like 500+ generations to make a prompt that finally made something that didn’t look absolutely retarded, so that completely dispelled the idea that people will be able to shit out great works of art in no time at all.
>>731052136/v/ is full of guys who are convinced they were secretly an amazing "ideas guy" who would have been wildly successful if only people had given him the chance.
>>731052790But I really am
>>731052705>has the gall to diss farshchian but suck off Bob Ross Lmao. I’d expect nothing less from someone who is NGMI. Bye, anon. Enjoy your delusional mediocrity.
>>731044214>cheat in a game for best stuff>feel no satisfaction using it to steamroll the rest of the game>revert save and grind in a game for the best stuff instead>extreme satisfaction steamrolling the rest of the game because I worked for it
>>731052703>On the flipside theres no way to make money with AI art whatsoever because even when all future scenarios of pajeets become true and AI is now a magic button that generates anything you want, there is no market for art anymore because nobody can offer a piece of art that someone can't create back in their homes. You have changed my mind, I am now pro AI art
>>731052768>It also took like 500+ generations to make a prompt that finally made something that didn’t look absolutely retarded,Oh. And how long did it take your rig to generate one image?
>>731052686The average Ashkanzi Jew is around 75% genetically European.In any case, that's not why I relate to European Jews; I relate to them because of their ideas. If browns like you want to join the 21st century in adopting materialism etc. I would relate to you as well. You probably won't though because you're resentful and dumb
>>731044214>>731044227>"it's not about the money" fags when someone wants to create their passion project but can't pay millions of dollars in staffing costs
>>731052790That goes for all boards. /biz/ is full of self-made billionaires and /co/ is full of people who think animating an entire tv show takes a couple of hours so someone should create their amazing cartoon idea nobody thought of before.
>>731052849It was DALL-E 3, so it wasn’t a local generation. At first it was instant but eventually it started taking forever.
>>731052853this is insane thinking, i'd never claim to be French or claim relation to famous French people or feel pride in their invention (besides i'm Anglo-saxon they are better)This is like non-Japanese asian diaspora who claim Japan is their culture and take pride in it. Just crazy nigger thinking.
>invite people over and say I'll cook for everyone>order food from a drive-thru>present food as if I cooked it>claim to be an experienced chef>get butthurt when I get called out and make excuses>"if I can skip the work then it's a waste of time, what's the difference?"
>Hardship is what makes the creative process rewardingIn his opinion. But not in the opinion of most other people.Artists are against AI simply because it devalues their craft and all these arguments about what is truly art with it's abstractions and subjective values are merely a post-fact rationalization to justify attacks on AI.Every decade a new technology with the potential of breaking monopolies and making things more accessible causes these luddites to show up with their bullshit reasons on why we should keep giving money to them instead.
>>731052923It's in fact primitive thinking to believe that humans separated by space and time can't relate to each other despite these barriers through the medium of ideas. I feel a filiation with Enlightenment materialists because both them and myself are clever chaps with the right ideas.
>>731044214in 10 years AI will have killed us all, the least of our problems is people using AI to make art
>>731044214>>731044227>NO ITS ACTUALLY ALL ABOUT ME, MEEEEEE It's hilarious how artists are so narcissistic they are afraid of losing out to art itself.
>>731053071now you are sounding irrational kek and talking about ancestral knowledge and spiritual connectionsYou are basically a shit covered dildo
>>731044227This is a truth nuke. Every dipshit likes to imagine themselves as an ideas guy despite having literally zero creative capabilities or talent
>>731053186I think you might be a tad drunk.A sense of relation through shared ideas is in a sense the essence of relation itself.
>>731044214>Expect nearly every single beloved game to be remade in 10 years time very quickly with minimal effort because of AIthis has been happening for a long time already without AI, literally now difference
>>731053370no, you are actually an idiot.
>>731053069Animators would love AI to take over inbetweening because theres lot of work in animation nobody likes to do and its time-consuming and expensive. Too bad LLM is too shitty for that job because it keeps fucking up the consistency which animation is all about.What you pajeets screaming "luddite" don't understand is that industry is already full of "idea guys", every single run of the mill animator or 3D modeler has their own idea for a game or a show they would like to make. Thats why nobody gives any value to pure "idea guys" because they offer nothing to any creative teams. Idea guys with skills is always more valuable than idea guys with no skills.
>>731053069>Every decade a new technology with the potential of breaking monopolies and making things more accessiblethere is no monopoly on creating art. the main thing preventing slop eaters from creating art is their own lack of will to try.>arguments about what is truly artthe argument is what it is to truly create art, the creative process, and valuing each person's journey as they create. it's no surprise that you don't value these "abstractions" because you aren't interested in anything that requires deeper thought. you want to press a button and receive content, and possibly worse: take credit for that content as something you created.
>>731044214>People are just going to use it create games and art while pretending they aren'tI wonder why they need to cover up and hide AI. AI is so great, it's literally the future, right? Why aren't AI jeets proudly own it? Reeealy makes me think.
>Japs live 5 years in the past and always will>A new tool emerges and they're the first to bank in on "uhhh rapanese rural traditions!"
>>731044227This is basically slavish boomer-tier work worship. A world in which ideas can be made reality is basically a utopia, but this guy would rather do make-work.He also doesn't seem to recognize that some people have better ideas than others, and that some people can't ideate at all. Dumb boomer drivel.
>>731044214>go to restaurant>order food>technically I cooked it because I gave prompt to the waiter
>>731044227>AI in creativity is for the people who have no skill, no work, no effort, no ethic.
>>731052529>>731052186>>731052002>you didn't build that house, the hammer didthe absolute state of mentally ill crabs mindbroken by technology
>>731053405Lay off the drink.
>>731053516boomers fetishisation of work is holding humanity back
>>731050456This is by far the most amusing thing to come out of the AI thing. I've seen several instances of people going at it over allegedly "stealing" their prompt or some shit like the entire fucking thing is lost on them or something kek
>>731053545Normies think AI is some Godlike demon that automatically enacts your will, rather than just another piece of software
>>731053545Making art is about expressing yourself, not making making money(that's just a bonus). If you want to express yourself with prompts, might as well write poetry.
>>731053609This, kek I swear to God people just have to use the fucking thing ONCE to see it's not some crazy boogeyman.
>>731053609>Normies It's always tourist niggers, huh?
>>731053516>He also doesn't seem to recognize that some people have better ideas than otherslet me guess, you're a talentless ideas guy who wants to use AI to pretend you made your ideas a reality with your own power.
>>731053586There was a schizo who saved his prompts by spamming them in random threads because he didn't trust his shitbox pc not dying on him.
>>731053617Making art clearly means something different to everyone. It's like a blanket term for an aesthetic adjacent system of ethics.
>>731053545If everyone has an automatic housebuilding robot of their own, why would they ever pay you to build their house for them?
>>731053617>you didn't express yourself when painting that portrait, the brush did!Mindraped luddite.
>>731053545>the hammer didLLMs and image generators aren't the same as the hammer, unless we're saying that the hammer can learn the work of contractors and then attempt to copy their work>>731053609>normiesnormies are generating the miyazaki piss filter images and clapping like retarded seals. congrats, you're in with the normies.>just another piece of softwareit's a piece of software, sure, but it's unlike any that came before it.
>>731053546nigger retard
>>731053675Maybe they like the way you build houses? Or maybe your house-building skills have earned you some type of prestige that wealthy people would prefer over soulless shit poor people have to use instead.
>>731053684>I put a sausage in a microwave, I am now a world-class chef!
>>731053656Let me guess, you're a resentful subhuman slave who thinks we're all equal and no one has better intellectual capacities than anyone else?
>>731053715>Maybe they like the way you build houses?What do you mean? Their housebuilding robots can build the houses just the way you do, they just tell the robot to do it the way you do. So again why would they ever pay you money?>Or maybe your house-building skills What skills? The builder robot everyone else also has built the house, not you. If you have some idea for how to build a house, everyone can just tell their house robots to use your idea for free, why bother paying you money?
>>731053545>you didn't build that house, mexicans didIdk what your point is.
>>731053697>but it's unlike any that came before it.Every single luddite claims this >trust me bros, *this* technology is totally different and will end the world
>>731053684>I bought a calculator from a dollar store, I am now a NASA scientist! Math? Who needs to learn math calculator does it for me, luddites!
>>731044227based beyond calculation
>smartphones ruined the internet>AI will ruin the SOVL
>>731044771Speaking of Dalle-3 are the threads banned? I haven’t seen those threads lately
I don't know what you mean by "against AI", because this sounds like direction brain tribalism. But yeah, it's absolutely undeniable (and you'd have to be retarded to think otherwise) that AI is incapable of creativity. >>731045357It's ironic that the AI worshipping goyim yearn for suicide. You couldn't refute yourself in everything better, than to suppose AI can replace your utility as a human. At best AI expedites processes and harbors a capacity for precision, but that's it.
>>731053719World class chefs do use microwaves, though.>>731053812NASA scientists do use calculators and computers, though.What an ESL series of analogies.
>>731044227What dumb nigger wrote this. AI is just a tool. Sorry you're going to be working at Amazon now because of it.>Urrrrr but the quality and my soulful nonai gamesNo one gives a shit about quality. Quality doesn't make money
>>731053761There is a lot wrong with your logic here. Would you like me to actually break it down for you or are you just arguing in bad faith? Because I'm not gonna waste my time explaining why what you said is wrong if you're going to continue acting like an idiot who can't into basic logic.
>>731044214Japan will be forever stuck in 2000
>>731053516This
>>731053889>World class chefs do use microwaves, though.Back in their homes. If they try to sell microwaved food in their world class restaurant, it goes bankrupt real fast.>NASA scientists do use calculators and computers, though.So why aren't you one of them? You have calculator that automatically makes you a top scientist.
>>731053803>and will end the worldlol you couldn't help but be a dishonest faggot.go ahead and create your own LLM or image generator from scratch without having access to other people's work to steal and train your tool. how useful would that "tool" be?
>>731053746No, I don't believe in that. For example, ideas guys always have inferior intellectual capabilities, their ideas are often complete dogshit because they lack the talent to understand what's a good idea and what isn't, but they somehow believe their worthless input is amazing.
>>731053901Did you prompt that with chatgpt or grok?
>>731053870I quit participating in them a few months after they first became a thing, then every time I'd go back they were inhabited by the same like 4-5 idiots posting slight variations of their "OC" if you can even call it that. I'm sure they just got sick of it.
>>731053969The image? I'm not even sure it's an AI gen, it's just an image I have saved.
>>731053957Often times their "ideas" amount to literally nothing more than just saying "what if we made the best game of all time and it had all this cool shit and you could anything you wanted!" wow how the fuck has nobody else thought of that
>>731053941>Back in their homes.No, they also use them in their restaurants for particular purposes.>So why aren't you one of them? You have calculator that automatically makes you a top scientist.Where on Earth are you getting this idea from? Bizarre ESL-babble.The claim isn't that AI tools turn people into artists, it's that artists can use AI tools and remain artists. The tool has nothing to do with their status as artist.
AI will keep getting better and with each passing day more and more people are gonna adapt and start using it in their everyday lives. It's gonna be great and it'll be made even better by the impotent screeching of luddites with their pseudo-intellectual arguments and hot takes about "art".
>>731053952LLMs are just another software for artists to add to their repertoire if they wish. The sky isn't falling. Seethe about it
>>731053969
>>731053957"Talent" without ideas is just mechanistic action, slavery. And of course, ideation is a talent in itself. It's why auteurs have such a draw: there are better and worse ideas guys
>>731054048>No, they also use them in their restaurants for particular purposes.For very specific purposes like reheating a meal on a customer request. https://youtu.be/HtZtmtiX3Bo?si=bNJqMPRE3YdQA_9GIf you use microwave to make food in your restaurant, nobody will eat in that restaurant. Why would they pay your high prices plus tip if they can eat the exact same hot pockets back home?>it's that artists can use AI tools and remain artists.And you pajeets fail to understand that most artists elect not to. Because art and entertainment market is already oversaturated to fuck so a "generic art generator" has no value. Digital book stores are full of AI books that absolutely nobody will ever read. Steam had 80 000 new games released last year, only 10% of them had more than 10 reviews. Good luck selling your video game if you use AI to make it as generic as possible, especially when customers start asking themselves what they are paying you money for if you used AI to skip the whole creation process.
>>731054091>The sky isn't fallingagain, you are a dishonest faggot>can't answer my questionI accept your concession.
>>731054108>>731054030>image>chatgptI was talking about your dumbass nonanswer.
>>731054196>Why would they pay your high prices plus tip if they can eat the exact same hot pockets back home?Because eating out provides a different social setting, one you pay a premium for.
>>731054258>People eat in restaurants because of the social settingkek keep telling yourself that.
>>731054239Lol you seriously thought what I wrote was from an AI? Yeah, I'm not gonna waste my time with you. Enjoy being an obtuse retard, anon. I'm sure everyone thinks you're an annoying cretin because of it.
>>731054196>For very specific purposes like reheating a meal on a customer request.Concession accepted. The tool doesn't make the chef.>most artists elect not toArgumentum ad populum. Would you suddenly change tune if this changed? Of course not, because you're a silly billy who thinks tools use artists and not vice versa. You think the brush expresses itself through the artist, rather than the artist expressing himself through his brush. Superstitious nonsense.
>>731054218*LLMs keep getting better and the sky keeps not falling*
>>731054284Why do you think people pay for soft drinks or alcoholic drinks or any drinks whatsoever when they go out, anon? They're *LITERALLY* 500x more expensive in a restaurant than at home.
>>731054292>>731054295>nonanswersPajeets ran out of arguments.>The tool doesn't make the chef.Dumb fuck, I obviously meant reheating the meal that has gone cold over at customers table. Nobody will eat in your restaurant if you make all of your food with a microwave.
>>731054324I never claimed the world was ending or that the sky was falling. you can't answer a simple question because you are a soulless liar.
>>731054361>food restaurants are the same thing as night clubs.Holy fuck go outside sometime.
>>731054367You believe that AI is a magical demon that mind controls artists into not being artists. You are dumb.
>>731054367>nonanswersYeah, because you are a fucking idiot who doesn't understand human behavior or basic logic. Why would I waste my time responding to you when all I can expect afterwards is more disappointing retardation?
>>731054378*absolutely nothing continues to happen*
>>731052840enjoy the constant sense of insecurity i guess
>>731054413...........WHAT? LOL Brother, do people in your country not drink soft drinks or beer at a restaurant? The same kind they can drink at home for a fraction of the price?
>>731054453>What is going on why is nobody eating at my restaurant, my microwave machine makes the grocery store hot pockets perfectly! >Why are they all going to the restaurant on the other side of the street? That guy has a shitty luddite stone oven and he makes the pizza dough with his own shitty luddite hands! Why can't people understand the benefits of the future REEEEEEEEE!
>>731054367>Nobody will eat in your restaurant if you make all of your food with a microwave.Okay, so going by this analogy an artist is allowed to use AI *some* of the time and still remain an artist. Partial concession accepted.
>>731054491>scared retard continues to run from simple questions
>>731054539>ahhhhhh the evil demon in the microwave has escaped and is cooking food all on its own without the input from us chefs! we're doomed!
>>731054498>insecurityMaybe quit being a coward and try putting some effort into the things you do, anon.
>>731044214I think 7 and 8 osts are pretty bland3 (6) has by far the best soundtrack but everything before and after that is just forgettable.
>>731054545>Okay, so going by this analogy an artist is allowed to use AI *some* of the time and still remain an artist."artist" doesn't mean anything. If he pushes the AI prompt button and expects people to pay money for that, he's in for a disappointment.
>>731054632>Fucking luddites! I put so much effort into pressing that microwave button they should pay me 50 bucks for a meal, this is the future!
>>731044227AI is at it's strongest if you combine true skill + ai to speed along workloadIt sucks if you're a dweeb faggot with no skills and it sucks if you're a stuck up faggot who refuses to use it at all.
>>731044214FF OSTs as stupidly overrated but still based. Jeets gonna freak.
>>731054695Okay, but what if he doesn't expect that? What if the artist just uses it as a tool in a pre-existing workflow? Is he still allowed to be an artist according to you, the arbiter of artists?
>>731044620If you're happy with the output of claude code then you're either building one hell of a lot of unchecked code debt that's really going to bite your arse clean off, or you're one of THOSE devs that's just creating problems for someone else. AI code is pure ass. It can't stay on topic for 2 fucking functions and just starts hallucinating classes and methods that don't exist or aren't compatible with the new structures it's shitting out instead of using the ones it just fucking made.
>>731054726>AHHHHHHHH the microwave wasn't an inanimate tool and was instead an omnipotent demon that has mindcontrolled us chefs and FORCED us to charge 50 bucks for hotpockets. There was nothing else we could have done; it was an evil spirit and not an inert lump of matter
>>731044214>The guy who made the Final Fantasy 7 and 8 musicpretty fucking weird way to refer to goddamn Nobuo Uematsuhe's done a LOT more than that and those aren't even two of his best works, not even remotelyeveryone knows his name, just say his name
>pajeets continue to run and hide behind hyperbole and dishonest framing>pajeet's face when asked to express the truth
>>731044214>Zoomer retard thinks he only made ff 7 and 8
>>731054737Yeah so it's like every other tool ever.
>>731044498>Anyone who has used the shit knows you can't use it to prompt a fucking masterpiece lmao.the entire fucking point being made
>>731054791He's never going to use AI in a final product because people start asking what are they paying him for. Using AI in a commission is a quick career death. So what workflows would AI be useful in? Pretty much every workflow that already uses quick Photoshop edits in art that has to be created fast and efficiently, like Concept art. Things like high detail sand or grass are already photoshopped in production art because the art piece is aimed at other production team members, not customers. A 3D modeller making an environment doesn't need a concept artist to painstakingly paint every single flower on the meadow, he just has to get the general gist that here is where the Unreal Engine flowers go.AI has also genuinely made image recognition tools better, so things like ripping green screens or Magic Wand tools have gotten slightly more accurate. That saves around 10 minutes of time of a professional artist each day. It doesn't sound much but it compounds over time.Yes, there are viable workflows where AI can be involved. But nobody will buy AI prompts from you because they can easily do them back home. And if you start selling actual posters of your production concept art, then you need to go back, remove the AI/Photoshop edits and actually paint those flowers in.
>>731054737>AI is at it's strongest if you combine true skill + ai to speed along workloadI wouldn't go so far as to say I completely disagree, but I sort of soft disagree. Like, some days you just can't be productive no matter what you do and making some AI shit for inspiration is at least SOMETHING and maybe you'll be inspired to make something good out of it later. But what I tend to find is I could have pushed myself to make something for real but instead pissed away the evening prompting and all I got out of it was the same waxy, shiny girls in front of generic backdrops. I just feel like it's a way to FEEL productive without actually achieving anything.
>it's not artIt is.>you're not an artistI am.Seethe about it forever.
>>731054979says the pajeet ignorant of how the tool is made or functions.
>>731055064> I just feel like it's a way to FEEL productive without actually achieving anything.That's not a bad thing, IMO. Seems like the kind of thing that will eventually lead to *real* productivity.
>>731049103>His music has no depth and just sounds like whimsical gamey music with dated sound quality.one of the most wrong statements ever shat out in history
>>731055112artists creating things to prove they're artists, they don't project their seethe about it on random forums.
>>731055016>because people start asking what are they paying him forWell, those people are superstitious and not a good judge of what makes an artist. They would never ask him if he used some other automation tool, like photoshop or a camera or a paintbrush. They're just arbitrarily drawing the line at LLMs because they're superstitious. What if they suddenly decided to stop buying art from artists who use photoshop? Would those people suddenly stop being artists? Of course not. >Yes, there are viable workflows where AI can be involvedSo yes: in principle, artists can use AI and remain artists. The artist makes the tool and not vice versa.
>>731055016I mostly agree with you with your description of it being used as a "tool" more than other people. When artists use photoshop it tends to be for touchups and quick edits. The "art" is already there, it just needs cleaning up.Using AI for some minor inpainting or sticking textures on things and such for concept art, not a problem. That's just photoshop with more tools.However I have a problem with people saying it's a "tool" when they mean they want to generate the whole thing with prompts and then clean it up at the end with manual work. That's backwards to me. You're letting the shitty LLM dictate the direction of your art, don't try to deny it, no prompt engineer no matter how skilled can break away from the fact that the model has a critical path it REALLY wants to go down no matter how many LoRAs you attach to it. It turns the artist into a cleanup monkey, YOU become the tool to launder AI slop.
>>731055159holy copeyou okay there buddy?
>>731055210>those people are superstitiousthat's not what that word means and it isn't arbitrary. if LLMs were the same as photoshop then their function would already be redundant.
>>731055246>more projectionstill can't answer that simple question, hm?
>>731055120No tool functions through possession by magical demon.
>>731055317no one's saying it is, but you keep bringing that up. seems like you're the one with the superstitions.
>>731055287It is what that word means; they believe that the tool is somehow (magically) using the artist, rather than vice versa.
>>731055380no they don't. why can't you approach this topic honestly?
Any uematsu fans here know the exact track the music from 2:08 is from? Shazam cant identify https://youtu.be/0nVOZGqpONo?t=2m8s
>>731054918kek
>>731055408>approach the topic honestlyHave you taken a look at the absolute state of this thread, anon? Communication has broken down rather substantially.
>>731055210>Well, those people are superstitious>Customers are all luddites so their opinion doesn't count! Fuck the customers who needs them!Good luck with your art career.>>731055237Yeah no professional is going to use go prompt first and fix later, because prompts tend to generate very generic results, if wanted to draw a generic woman in a generic pose you don't need AI for that, just a google image. What actual pros might use AI for is just replace photoshop on doing textures in production art where the only thing that matters is selling an idea to someone else and the art is not meant to be attached to anyone's wall.
>>731055408They do. You just can't see it because you're one of them.
If devs use AI to make stuff then it should be free. Why should they get money for something they didn't make? Remember to pirate all AI sloppa.
>>731055452>>Customers are all luddites so their opinion doesn't count! Fuck the customers who needs them!The early photographers who thought like this ended up being vindicated.
>>731055473you're so afraid of reality that you have to accuse other people of the dumb shit you believe. got it
>>731044214I cant remember playing watching listening stuff after 1999 or something, so he must be onto something.
>>731055513>ended up being vindicated.Name 5 of them.
>>731055531It's just software--relax.
>>731055313relax buddy, you don't need to worry about AI, you were never gonna make it in a creative job anywayI'm gonna create some art here with gpt5, try not to kill yourself, ok?
>>731055562i know it is, but you keep bringing up witch craft and demons. seems like a 'you' thing.>>731055582>more projectionit's pretty sad that you could never answer that simple question. only seethe and aggression. typical jeet.
>>731055558Louis-Jacques-Mandé DaguerreWilliam Henry Fox Talbot Hippolyte Bayard Julia Margaret CameronRobert DemachyAnd here's some reading for your silly little brain (I'm assuming you can read): https://daily.jstor.org/when-photography-was-not-art/>Early proponents of photography faced significant criticism, largely because the medium was initially viewed by the art world as a purely mechanical process lacking the "hand of the artist" and, therefore, soul. It was seen as a threat to painting, capable of creating detailed images without artistic skill
>>731053904based japan
In the end it doesn't matter because the general population loves it. China has been using AI for years now and their games are well liked among young people and are top earners in gaming at the moment.Creativity is dead, only slop remains and modern gamers don't care about quality. Another example of this is Expedition33, full of default assets and animations, environments completely done with AI and it won best game of the year in multiple categories. It's beyond over.
>>731055667You said they rejected customers, nobody ever said anything about the opinion of the art world, stop moving goalposts. All of those photographers took commercial photos as well. Customers did not commission photos of their families because they thought it was "artistic", they wanted a capture of their family in a real life image. If they wanted a painting instead they would have commissioned a painting.
>>731044214He has made one really good song. It's a very good one, but only one. Maybe if he had AI he could've made more.
>>731044214ff7 and ff8 aren't even remotely close to uematsu's best works, and he's not even a top 20 composer
>>731044498How come artists keep getting upset that AI wins art competitions then? If it's so bad, then it shouldn't be necessary to ban these entries.
>>731055830>Creativity is deadcreativity is more alive than ever with AI and it'll keep getting better
>>731055848It's morbidly funny how humanity shits out people like you every generation or so just to get raped and owned. Luddites refuse to learn from history but it's such an easy lesson to learn.
>>731044498>He's right about the process being more important than the productNah, it's not
>>731051828>>or even Picasso, etc. for that matter.https://www.openculture.com/2025/06/pablo-picassos-childhood-paintings.html
>>731047395>wow anon you're so cool using a screwdriver instead of a drillRetard. Power drills don't fit in tight spaces.
>>731055875>he's not even a top 20 composersure thing bub
>>731055848They rejected the mouth breathers who said it wasn't art and that no one would want it because of that. Photography then went on to become an artform in its own right.
>>731055945>Customers are luddites if they don't pay me 50 bucks when I push AI button!>Fuck you I deserve better than to live in my hut with walls made of poo!
>>731056014>They rejected the mouth breathers who said it wasn't artNobody talked about those mouthbreathers. Customers are not going to give you money for pushing the AI button because they can push it themselves for free. If your answer is that customers are luddites, good luck with your career.
>>731055917AI cannot create anything, you feed art done by someone else, then ask it to mix it together in the style of someone else. AI also misses subtlety and motif, uneducated people using AI to mimic art will never be able to create anything new and it will keep circling around whatever you feed into it.
>>731056016Quoting the invisible demons that live in your little noggin again?
>>731056119Keep spamming luddite, nigger. Its easy to recognize you in every AI thread.
>>731055945There are orders of magnitude more midwits and morons who think every new piece of technology is the next big thing, because they are ignorant about piles of dogshit tech that was worthless and rejected by humanity.
>>731056075>Customers are not going to give you money for pushing the shutter release buttonExhibit A: Mouth Breather Did you even read the linked sources? These are the same sorts of arguments made by the photography critics; all based on the silly idea that photography is le heckin wholesome real art
>>731056194*isn't
>>731056194>These are the same sorts of arguments made by the photography criticsEveryone has camera back in their homes, why would anyone pay you money for taking photos with your shitty mobile phone? Only way photographers make money these days is when they make photographs that you normally can't make like passport photos. So I accept your concession nigger.
>>731056194Kek the sheer irony of clueless moron having no idea how much craft and effort went into early photography, because he never bothered to learn anything in his life. This is every AI jeet ever - no passion, no drive, no knowledge about any craft.
>>731056280Yeah, so what you're saying is that the artist makes the tool, and not versa. I agree, thanks.
>>731056329>muh artistArtist is a buzzword that doesn't matter. You're a professional artist only when you make a living out of it. You can't make a living out of pushing AI prompts because nobody will pay you money to do it.
>>731056359>You can't make a living out of pushing AI prompts because nobody will pay you money to do it.Yeah people said the same about photography
>>731049809We use 3D models now because the AI generates consistent images without the weird shit in it. Without the models it goes back to weird fever dream shit.
>>731056384>Yeah people said the same about photographyNo they didn't. Nowhere did they ever say that. Can you point out in your own linked article where it says that people said you can't make money by taking photos of people?
You will never make good art if you don't understand the foundational blocks of the art you're making, that's number one. Number two, for the people that understand their art but want ai to make it for them are lazy, not efficient. Lazy. AI will always come up with generic lazy slop that a million other prompt users generated as well, It's a shitty tool for art creativity. I say this as someone who prompts a hundred suno ai songs a day. It's fun but don't use this for your serious stuff fr fr
>>731056318Your previous incarnation was and 18th century madhouse escapee who thought Louis-Jacques-Mandé Daguerre "was doing a hecking soulless demon ritual" every time he pressed the shutter release button
>>731056460It literally doesn't matter, zoomers are just that uneducated, if they see shiny thing they will go crazy over it. You have companies like Mihoyo pumping AI shit for years and zoomers love it and throw money at it, so what's the point?
>two insecure jeets regurgitating the same non-argumentsyou know AI isn't doing well when they'd rather post here than live their lives as successful "AI artists"they love to tell you about what "AI" can supposedly do but they produce nothing.
>>731056468>SAAAAAAR YOU ARE [fanfiction] BLODY BITCCHDid you notice how AI jeet never has anything to say to defend AI slopa and always falls back on unrelated drivel? I notuced.
>>731056450Yes, it was frequently claimed that it would cheapen the market by flooding it with crap and steal real jobs (look into cartes de visite). Baudelaire even claimed it was a "refuge for the lazy". Please just kys, dude. I know more about this than you.
>>731044214Imagine some even bigger boomer retard claiming this guy is a retard for using digital production methods. Luddites eat their own.
>>731056630>that it would cheapen the market>steal real jobsNot what I asked, none of those claim that you can't make money with photos. You pajeet fuck made the claim, now prove it."It cheapens the art" has always been used for stupid shit, Walt Disney heard that from orchestras because he dared use orchestral music in Fantasia and Snow White. He didn't care about opinions of the art world because was making a commercial high budget full-length animated feature film for the general audience. He tried and succeeded in making money with his art.You can't make money with AI art because everyone can use AI. When everyone is special, nobody is, you offer nothing of value with your AI prompts. Even if you miraculously create something really good with AI, then your customers simply tell the AI to generate the same thing for them for free.
>>731044214AI is quite literally going to end up poisoning itself with its own derivative slop to the point that real artists will be worth their weight in gold, just like actual craftsmen can charge $10,000+ for a fucking coffee table in an era of IKEA slop.
>>731044293kill yourself
>>731044214>old dude doesn't want new thingswhat a surprise
Based UematsuFuck off, shill
>>731054737Examples next thread, like always?
>>731045357>waste of timeyou just dont get it.
>>731056890ai will replace you
>>731056779All of these polemics fed into that other polemic; "photography isn't real art and it's easily reproducible, ergo it isn't desirable, ergo you can't make a living off it". This is why early photography had to cut its teeth on very practical applications first before it started being aesthetically appreciated (look into shop photography). >now prove itThis is a pretty audacious thing to say coming from someone who is relying on pure conjecture. You should hold yourself to 1% of the epistemological standard that you're holding me to. Go ahead and prove your wild predications of the future are correct.
>>731057230two more weeks
wow yeah guys let's just repost an old article again so we can have another not-videogames 500 reply shit thread about aislop
>>731053516>boomer-tieryou mean when life was better around the world?buy a giant housebuy a nice carhave a big familymarry9-5 on a college education at bestbefore age 35most of what you own is made domesticallyeverything is actually getting better every yearstay at home wife
>>731057403Yeah before we deindustrialized and imported tens of millions of net-loss 3rd world immigrants
>>731057235>All of these polemics fed into that other polemicNo they don't, you're not moving goalposts, sorry. "making money" and "real art" arguments are two entirely separate things. You made the claim, prove it.
>>731057672Prove that you're not indian.
if AI was a good thing regular people would care and billionaires wouldn't be crying to get us to stop calling it slop and volunteer to hold their bag for the upcoming bubble burst.AI is a magic button for turd worlders and talentless whites who offer nothing to culture.
SAAAAAAAAAAAR THIS IS THE FUTURE REDEEM THE LUDDITE SAAAAR BLOODY BASTARD I FUCK YOU
>>731057672The goalposts were moved because the game is over and they were packed up--you lost.
>>731050913>mozart was the greatest composer of all time and he was basically a shitposter. his heart was just in it. he played for fun. great art is created with fun.Mozart received rigorous piano lessons from a very young age you absolute retard, at 6 years old he was already touring europe. That guy can compete with Michael Jackson on terms of having had no childhood.
>ctrl+f luddite>18 resultsWhat is up of people not using AI that makes these shills so butthurt? People only started using this shit in the past 2 years, of course there are still plenty of people doing it the old way instead of typing shit on a computer and re-generating until something decent comes out. Apparently saying you don't use AI means you are some sort of heretic or liar to these """people"""
>>731058194Who are you talking to?
>>731058194>Pajeets>peopleGood one.
Nothing will come from AI one way or another. Nothing good, nothing bad.
I can't wait for the next solar flare or prominence that will fry all the data centers and make wannabes cry
>>731057332this is about ai in games, not really about Uematsu. I'll just post another OP pic next time
>some old guy doesn't like new techNothing surprising there. There were probably old guys complaining about DAWs back in the day
>>731044214I don't mind if every one of you gets replaced by AI. Honestly we need to take human prompters out of equation, they only slows down actual AI art. Human minds are weak, emotional, limited. The art the prompt is inherently flawed, which makes it useless. Anon prompters should step away from creating AI art and let machines fully take over.
>>731055830>environments completely done with AI Didn’t happen.
Art cannot and should not be defined in the post-modern age. It's literally anything a human perceives. "AI isn't art" is a slogan that that does not refer to the definition of art itself but the industry.
Not even 11
im into dead babies lol suffer bitch janny have a bad dad
>>731044214Based
>>731044214He is rightAI = Beast of the Earth
