>*clink* clink* clink* clink* clink*
>*chink* chink* chink* chink* chink*
>cheatsheh
why do people like this shit more than dark souls?
>>731048867Because it's 10/10, sorry about your shit taste.
>had an easy time the first time I played it>went back for another playthrough and I'm complete dogshitbros... I might be unc...
>>731048867because it's actually fun to play
>>731048867>t. Shitter
>>731048867Simon says is very rewarding to low IQ
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>>731049054trvke
The game was so good that every single big-budget Chinese game is going to be a cheap knockoff of it until the end of time.
>>731046442thanks to that one anon that convinced me to buy it during the winter sale, this is one of the best games ive ever played
>>731049975The only one that is even slightly similar is Where Winds Meet
>>731048867>dark souls>grind to over power enemies or kill them @20 dmg per hit>sekiro>get good
>>731050405>dark souls>grindBased retard.
>>731049294What game?
>>731051005DOOM: the dark agesIt has a lot of silly difficulty options but i suggest turning off the retarded slow-mo to make the combat not feel so strange
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>>731046442I just wish I didnt have to play as wolf and had anything but the katana as an option
>>731051534You know what you're right, this is a way better analogy than simon says, thank you anon
Play the better rhythm game.
>*clink* *clink* *clink* *clink*>*CLANG*
>>731048867It's an entirely different genre, so the two games aren't really cleanly comparable. Sometimes things are just down to taste.
>>731049054>dark souls isn't simon says but sekiro iso i am laffin
>>731046442Kino
>>731046442basic bitch combat
>>731048867No gay excel spreadsheet stat bullshit
>>731051819
>>731052649
>>731046442Why are you racist?
>>731048867In dark souls you feel like a retard flopping on the ground like a fish, in sekira it actually feels like a duel
>>731048867because it's better than dark souls
>>731054991>>731055063see>>731052019
>>731055086not an argument
>>731049054All video games are Simon Says.
>>731051615Too difficult.
>>731055181Imagine you didnt have breakfast this morning
>>731048867i like both sekiro & dark souls(1), what are you going to do about it?
>>731048867it actually requires you to engage with your enemies instead of rolling and cheesing bosses like other fagsoulsborne games. watched some retard goblino i used to be friends play the game and he got filtered easily by the goddamn red ogre while saying he had more experience in soulsborne games and that sekiro was easy >>731048986nah, it's like playing guitar; if you're not constantly practicing it, you'll lose the ability and reflexes to parry.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU MEAN I CAN'T DODGEROLL EVERY ATTACK AND THEN HEAVY ATTACK 10 TIMES TO KILL A BOSS FUCKING SHIT GAME
>>731058912>red sign shows up>hold block button (of which also parries on first input so you autoblock if parry fails)If DS2 didn't exist, Sekiro would be From's easiest modern game.
>>731052649>actually balances boss, that builds on everything the game has taught you. challenging in the best way possible>absolutely dogshit design that just randomly fucks you in the ass for no reason. you only beat it because an overpowered guy decided to join you and killed it in three hitssekiro will always be superior
>>731055416I don't eat breakfast, but if i did eat breakfast regularly, i'd be hungry now.
I don't get the umbrella, how do you use it? Why do people say it's one the best prosthetics?
>>731059971>>red sign shows up>>hold block buttonretarded /v/edditor...
>>731055416>criticizes game for being simon says>pulls out canned posts in a discussionno wonder its your only frame of referenceyour malformed brain hasn't developed past simon says
>>731058912No you just spam l1 and then press r1 once to kill the boss
>>731060432no point pressing parry when holding same button parries and blocks
>press circle> :(>press l1> :)sekiroggers...not looking good here
>>731051615I'm playing it right now and it's kinda crazy how in a game like this "difficulty" and "bad design" are so close the line between them may be blurred.Not saying it's bad or I'm shit (I am shit) but a big part of the difficulty is seeing which attack pattern is out of usually 2 similar-looking wind-ups for enemies. Is that because the game is hard or because it's poorly made? It's a matter of opinion.
>>731046442It’s so satisfying
>>731060728>doubles down on his brain damagelmao
>>731060728Holding it very specifically does not parry you fucking retard.
>>731052403You can read what the kanji says in the split second it shows up?
>>731048953Yeah. Unfortunately, for a new player it takes like the first half of the game to ”get” the combat rhytm. Many players drop it before that point because it just feels so unfun.
>>731060728-Blocking doesn't parry perilous attacks, you need to use specifc counters or dodge them-Blocking doesn't parry attacks, you don't lower the posture of enemies with imprecise parries or blocks, you need to use precise parries-You can become staggered out of blocking, that never happens if you precise parry thoughHow stupid are you?
Holding block recovers poise and sekiro parries have the largest windows by far of all from games. What a casualturd of a joke game.>worthless linear world with grappling hook (even the devs know that nufromfags skip all non-bosses)
>>731061245That post isn't saying that blocking does parry.Instead of tapping button, you hold it. As when you initiate block you parry, so incase you mistime the very generous parry that this game has, you end up blocking. Learn to read.
>>731061309Okay you're actually stupid, because blocking and parrying are treated as two different things in Sekiro. You need to actually time the parry to get a precise parry. You don't gain the benefits from precise parrying if you just block.
Sekiro>attacks must be countered in three ways: dodge, jump or deflect.Souls>uuuuuh just roll bro. If you have shield, just block.
>>731061368Also just blocking literally gets destroyed if the enemy uses follow up attacks, you actually need to parry when enemies use multiple attacks in a row.
>>731061450you can dodge, jump, parry, move/run out of the way in souls/er too anon. and what other bingbing magic shit you can do too (some of them are defensive or even make you temporarily immune).
>>731048867I don't know what's this phenomenon called, but parryslop lovers tend to overrate these games. The same goes for Lies of P, Nine Sols etc.It's just Simon Says gameplay, press L1 at the exact moment 50-100 times when the boss does the thing, most people would think this is tedious garbage with 0 creativity or skill expression, but these people REALLY love it. They think memorizing all these timings makes them god gamers or something.
>>731061494>you can dodge, jump, parry, move/run out of the waynah. rolling is literally the best option in those games. no one- NO ONE- has ever backstepped in dark souls or ER.Meanwhile, in Sekiro you have to use all your options all the time.
>>731061641>tfw actually used to backstep > attack often in DS1No one...
>>731046442>*clink* clink* clink* clink* clink*
>>731061661>I used the backstep just for the attack animation it enables! that means backstep is viable for defense! lolo
>>731061830You do realise that by doing so you can dodge, anon? Right? Surely you're just pretending or trying to have a laugh and aren't retarded. Or, worse, outing yourself for not actually playing these games (like the avg poster in these threads).
>>731061854>he goes on a tirade because I correctly stated no one has ever used backstep for defencelmao you're fuming
>>731046442>have a grapple hok>don't use it in fightsBravo From Software!
>>731048867rolling gets silly
>>731061632>but parryslop lovers tend to overrate these gamesparry slop is the black metal of video games
>>731061895you do though in a number of fights to grapple you straight to the boss
>>731050023Wukong copies a lot from it. Wukong has vastly better world building though. Half the stuff I hypothesized would be there in each new area of Sekiro wasn't, while Wukong usually delivers.
>You cheesed the demon of hatred bossfightYou didn't beat the game
>>731057634>it actually requires you to engage with your enemies instead of rolling and cheesing bossesunless you play like me and run in circles until the enemy does the one or two attacks you know how to defendthats how i beat the purple ninjasthats how i beat the final bossthats how i beat or tried to beat everything else, of course the 10 attacks in a toilet sized room boss didnt let me do thatyes bad
fuck you guys, im gonna reinstall it
>>731061450God of War>parry, block, dodge, roll (sometimes dodge vs roll matters), throw the axe, turn arounddad of boi > fromsoft solelikes
>>731062189lmao did the severed head guy hanging on your back told you to shitpost?? did your wife's son advise you on how to do it?>brother, the sekirochad is stuffing all your holes! pretend GoW is the better game!>father, try shitposting! that's a good trick!
>>731062330i just enjoyed the valkyrie fights is allno need to throw a tantrum, be better man
>>731062431I'll be a better man and make you my boywife you fucking faggot
>>731052403Dark Souls doesn't need this, because there's nothing that you don't just hit dodge against.
>>731061632In souls games. you hit the dodge or block button when the enemy does literally anything. This isn't simon says. In sekiro, you hit parry when the enemy does anything, except when you hit dodge or jump. This is simon says, because I get mad when I fuck up.
>>731062063>I found a terrible and boring strategy>and then I used it>fuck the game for letting me ruin it for myself
>>731062494again, no need to throw a tantrum, its not my fault you lost your cock cage key
>>731061632>Run away from bosses while they do their instakill move>Dodge through their lunge attack>r1 r1 r1>Roll 3 times to get away>Chug>Repeat with no variationVs>l1 l1, l1-l1-l1>Sidestep a thrust>Punish with spear since it has shorter animation after a dodge>r1 r1>Repeat with slight variationNeither is great but one is definitely more engaging
>>731062630why should I care about losing it? I'm not the one wearing it lmao
>>731062628oh im not mad at the game for letting me do that, i know i chose to play that wayi did beat it instead of dropping
>>731046442I want to love this game but man i am so shit at parring that im quite sure i have some kind of brain damage.
>>731048867Low IQ gameplay that is very easy to pick up upon. If you fail timing you lose if not you win. No """"annoying""" enemies demanding positioning and frametrapping you and mving a lot and demanding movement or varied reactions
>>731062728lmao very funny lmao
>>731062628Unironically the game designers' fault for letting terrible boring strategies in the game. Making winning = fun is literally game design.
>>731046442sifu perfected the structure bar meter, i love sifu
>>731062641>Sekirofag fails to understand poise and spacingAs usual
>>731062884lol thanks
>>731048867because the animations combat system and controls are much better.>>731052403>lame popup that blocks your view of the enemy animationterrible design removing this icon via mods is mandatory.
>>731051615i love this game, this game allows you to configure camera controls too, and is not too heavy on camera controls, i got both endings and unlocked master hand costume entirely on keyboard (no mouse) i really like playing action games entirely with keyboard but a lot of the games don't allow that, i will see if sekiro has options like this,i really want to get ninja gaiden 4 if it has option to configure camera on keyboard keys, but haven't been able to find answer for it, tried asking on steamforums and discord but no luck no one answered, (ninja gaiden black 2 actually does let you do that)
>>731060146>>absolutely dogshit design that just randomly fucks you in the ass for no reason. you only beat it because an overpowered guy decided to join you and killed it in three hits Why are Sekirofags so bad at games?
he filtered millions of soulsbabies
>>731063035>watch me dunk on these world enemiesAlternatively, I take a fraction of the time and block and punish.
>>731063035>spacingYou mean running away like a coward.
>>731063349>I block and punish against duo Ringed KnightYeah care to show it?
>>731063391No? I just assumed that you were sentient enough to know greatshields are still game-destroyingly powerful in DS3.
>>731063414So you can't show it
>>731062904You're right, they should have limited sprinting stamina within fights. But playing like that is both boring and takes three times as long.
>>731061084Lady Butterfly should be on the mandatory path. You can’t get past her without learning the game.
>>731063438No, I don't film rapier/spear greatshield compilations to try to win arguments on /v/. I assume you also know that what I am saying is factual, but your pride won't allow you to admit it.
>>731061632No, they think it’s fun.
>>731063509>rolling five times in a row? peak fun, peak gameplay>PARRYING three times and then having to fucking JUMP?>niggershit simon says BULLSHIT FUCK THIS GAME
>>731063504Trying to imply using shield is brainless and does not involve even more strategy and careful positioning is far from factual
>>731063771>move forward>block>not even a greatshield, just the strongest medium shieldLooks brainless to me, dumbass. You've just replaced your roll button with a block button.
>>731063839>Looks brainless to meBecause you never played it
>>731063860I 100%ed DS3 without ever losing souls, all thw way through NG+3 or 4, I forget. Also levelcapping myself to 150 for PvP play. It's a trivially easy game, and that's without me ever allowing myself to actually use a shield. I also got most of the way through a SL1 run before losing interest. DS3 is a boring, trivial, rote game.
>UUUUH what do you mean basic-ass enemies in Sekiro can still fuck you up if you don't pay attention?? where are the broken armor sets and builds??? I just want to turn my brain off and roll away from my worries!
>>731063921>and that's without me ever allowing myself to actually use a shield.So you didn't use shield>DS3 is a boring, trivial, rote game.Boring enough to play to NG+4
>Mogged DMC back into irrelevancyThank you based Sekino
>>731046442This and Armored Core 6 will forever sting as massive disappointments.When I learned getting clean hits with prosthetics does less posture damage than clean deflects my jaws fucking dropped
>>731064089>boring enough to play to NG4I liked invading, and it was the only one I caught during PvP peak.>so you didn't use a shieldNo, because greatshield play is so trivial and boring that even in a game I ended up hating, I didn't want to bother. That's just my main invader profile, I tried other builds that allowed for shield usage and I allowed myself to invade with a shield, greatshield play is just the strongest way to play the game.I'm tired of this argument from loyalists that if you have significant playtime in a game, you can't criticize it. Well I have 700 hours in DS3, and it's the worst dark souls title by far, with the least interesting and more rote gameplay.
>>731064191>Shit parryslop vs shit juggleslop>>731064219>NoOk so you lied>and it's the worst dark souls title by far, with the least interesting and more rote gameplay.No it's not
>>731064281>so you liedAnon, I just said, I only disallowed shield usage on my NG+3/4 file, and only in normal gameplay. I dabbled in several starting builds for invasions, which included shield-reliant ones. Read my entire statement.
>>731046442>Give character a robo arm>Make it fucking uselessThank God the based Elden Ring combat director took the grapple and made it good
>>731048867I don't like ARPG's, simple as. Action games should be about player skill, not numbers
>>731063541Both is fun. You don’t play souls games because they are hard, but because they are fun. Learning parry and dodge timings is intrinsically fun. Just because something is not for you doesn’t make it bad. The sooner you learn that, the better.
>>731064364What action games do you play with zero upgrade systems?
>>731064378I don't think it's unfair to say that having a single answer to everything in every combat is less fun than having several answers that all need to be used.
>>731064206>When I learned getting clean hits with prosthetics does less posture damage than clean deflects my jaws fucking droppedSetting enemies on fire definitely does massive posture damage i think you're full of shit to be honest
>>731064364NTA, and I don't have a horse in this race (FromSlop combat sucks in all games equally, even when they aren't made by From), but wrangling numbers, seeking out synergies and properly doing the math is absolutely a player skill. You can apply the "it's not interactive!" argument to pure dice rolls, but Souls RPG systems simply aren't that.
>>731064435It's fair to say that playing rock paper scissor to the tune of the enemy boss and throwing wimpy attacks mid parries as only form of actual aggression is fucking boring, because it is>>731064323Yeah and I bet you totally just kept the shield up against any attack because it's so easy and totally the game doesn't push your shit, greatshield or not, when stamina runs out
>>731061632All games are Simon says in essence retard. Go back to /tv/ or /lit/
>>731064435Right, that’s why Sekiro is the best souls games, I don’t disagree with that. I just also like and enjoy rollslop.
>>731064486>Setting enemies on fire definitely does massive posture damageThe flame vent being broken because fire status is broken has nothing to do with the prosthetics being actual liquid dogshit
>>731063035>dark souls>spacingYou would have had a point if you posted any monster hunter game before world or GU. Right now you're making a fool of yourself because you are a braindead fromdrone and hate gameplay. You don't know what you are talking about. Play more games shitter
>>731059971 based retard, telling people to block unblockable attacks>>731060728these replies have to be bait
>>731064576>This prosthetic is broken>All prosthetics are dogshitAt least try to formulate a logical argument
>>731064589>monster hunter gamethat's not funny, my favourite souls veteran streamer died like that
>>731064543Rolling followed by two to three attacks between the enemy string is WAY more boring, it's not even close. It's tacitly obvious you never even engaged with Sekiro's combat system.>you totally kept your shield up against any attacksWell with the exception of the handful of grabs in the game, yeah obviously.>the game doesn't punish you when stamina runs outThe stamina bar is so long and regens so quickly that even if you're a braindead cunt and get guardbroken, the one hit you MIGHT take in reprisal won't matter. Even on that SICK challenge you posted, eating the FINAL BOSS'S ATTACKS on your shield at RL1 depletes like 1/6th of your entire stamina bar. That's fucking hilarious, on a medium shield no less.
>>731064408>What action games do you play with zero upgrade systems?If the combat is balanced around you being 100% upgraded I don't have a problem with it, then it's just unlocking your full potential. I just don't like it when you can break the game with builds
>>731064667>N-no prosthetics aren't shit because *picks literally the only prosthetic that applies a broken status effect*Lole
>>731064543>stun boss>let go of block (that negates all attacks done to you) for half a second>stamina recharges to full>repeat>"sekirofags, this is pure skill! much harder than your shit game!"
>>731064761>flame vent>umbrella is crazy broken, especially the fire umbrella>firecrackers>shuriken on certain bosses>flame vent>spear on one boss>axe
>>731064761>prosthetics are shit because there is at least one situation for each one to shine in instead of all of them being useful all the time!lol
>>731064761Okay.You're just wrong and posting stupid shit.How about that?
>>731046442Parrying in Sekiro is the most satisfying mechanic in any video game
>>731064839>Fire >Fire >Fire>FireLol
>>731064883Firecrackers aren't fire. The umbrellas that allow you to counterattack are all crazy powerful, the fire one is just the strongest. Flame vent gets mentioned twice because it's THAT powerful. Fire axe barely matters. Fire spear doesn't matter.
>>731064883>I hate the game>Okay but some of it's good>Well that bit is also shit and I hate it!fuck off moron
>>731064761Souls combat is so bad, holy shit. Like, forget the fact that 90% of it is just "hug enemy and circlestrafe, occasionally do an invulnerable canned animation". There's no fucking impact to any of those attacks. Where the fuck is the feedback? Some hitstop? Even some vfx to indicate that the enemy is taking damage? People really swear by this trash? It boggles my mind.
>>731064841>No you don't get it, prosthetic are good because they are MEANT to be gimmick bullshit you use once or twiceRiveting gameplay
>>731064965This but Nioh
>>731064206but deflecting doesn't effect the health bar, and prosthethic attacks do. even so they aren't meant as pure damage, they are tools not the sword.People are retarded
>>731065015I should hope I'm not meant to be impressed by elden ring having a weapon art that is also a jump.
>>731064667>>All prosthetics are dogshitThis is true, though. Locking parts of the moveset behind an arbitrary and limited resource because you couldn't be bothered to balance and incorporate them into the gameplay loop properly is just lazy design, pure and simple. FromSoft really is a champion of not bothering and passing it off as "le hardcore" mechanics. Fuck that. Players should be able to freely express themselves in a melee combat game.
>>731065050>copy soulshit>ends up bad in exactly the same ways as soulshitWhoa!!! How could this happen?!?!?!
>>731065072Except when prosthetic attack animations are much longer than basic slashes and don't guarantee (unless it's the broken flame vent) damage on block, so most bosses input read and block or dodge them, or even hyperarmor them
>>731046442enough anon. Just let it go.
>>731065193>throwing out random prosthetic attacksSekiro is a game that only even allows you to hit the enemy as a punish in the vast majority of cases. Is it surprising you have to use prosthetics the same way? Hell, then Sabimaru cleaves through block which matters for a handful of enemies.
>>731063035I'm sorry but this just looks stupid. Parrying is infinitely cooler than rolling around like a retard and running away with those clunky animations.
>>731065106Yeah it's just a bad implementation that turned it into a win more mechanicIt's amazing because they literally had this figured out in dark souls with estus flasks
>>731065250>Sekiro is a game that only even allows you to hit the enemy as a punish in the vast majority of cases.Yes because it's qte slopAnd that's why that webm uses loaded axe while the enemy is committed to a swipe attack.But Sekiro is a shit game so it doesn't matter and it just dodges
>>731065387Wow, you didn't even understand what you were seeing.>because it's QTE slopAll fromsoft games are QTE slop.
>>731065384Estus flasks and spirit emblems are so vastly different as to be incomparable, what are you talking about? One's an offensive steroid, the other is a healing item. The estus flask does nothing to advance your combat state at any point.
>>731065461>Wow, you didn't even understand what you were seeing. Yes I did, you can clearly see the sweep attack>All fromsoft games are QTE slop.No, just Sekiro. Very shallow combat
>>731065543The estus system (refill on bonfire) would have been miles better than the one they use for emblems, so using them during a boss fight and failing doesn't feel like punishment for experimenting/getting used to it
>>731065682>you can clearly see the sweep attackFollowed by a stagger because the players attack trajectory clipped during a vulnerable frame. He effectively got stomped without being stomped, it happens all the time when you fuck up a stomp on loads of different enemies.>no just sekiroA QTE is a QTE even if there's only ever one thing the game wants you to do>uh oh, Melania is attacking you, ROLL>uh oh, she's doing a grab, ROLL>uh oh, waterfowl, run backwards and then ROLL
>>731048867Frankly, more dopamine from defending than souls. The fact that deflecting, mikiring, and jump kicking vs sweeps, and their various substitutes deal damage to the bosses posture meter makes defending against long chains of moves far more rewarding than souls where you typically just spam roll or hold block until its your turn to finally deal some damage. Wasn't really a huge issue back in DS1, but DS3 and Elden Ring love to you spend most of the fight defending with limited damage windows, just Sekiro just feels nicer. Also it looks cooler than rolling on the floor, although BB had already solved that issue. Combine that with a more opaque system (you can see boss posture bars, periods of boss hyper armor being more obvious etc) and the resurrection system, it's just way less frustrating. It's a bit narrow on the offense side, but that as bad as people make it out to be. I just wish From would expand upon its systems but ER felt like a step back. Sifu did a nice job of furthering Sekiro's defense mechanics while stripping back some of the more simon says elements of the games, so I really hope From's next game does more with what's been built.
>>731046442Ah, the sounds of kino.
