>Sentries no longer target spy as long as he doesn't deal damage to them>Razorback and Homewrecker removed from the game>Spy can switch between disguise speed and spy speed at a press of a button>Spy Disguise can shoot blanks that deal no damageThere. Now he isn't as useless
>>731049462Why include some that are reasonable with others that are ludicrous?
>>731049546How are they ludicrous?
>>731049462Tape recorder is now an AOE to punish engineer nests
sniper no longer existsthe game is saved
>>731049573Spy does not need additional help vs engi.
>>731049462>>Razorback and Homewrecker removed from the gamenot necessary
give spy x2 cap rate like scout
>>731050060geg do xis
>>731049873Spy v Engineer is extremely sided towards the Engi. Especially if it's an Engi nest
>>731049873Spy is shit at fighting engi. Demo and soldier are far better making spy worse it his main job
>>731050886spy's job isn't fighting engi, even if the sapper would lead you to believe it ishis job is picking off distracted or unaware enemies, priority targets (like top scoring players, medics and snipers) and to deny supporthis sapper's main function is to disable buildings, not to destroy them, and a good spy with a coordinated team will sap engineer nests at the exact same time as his team starts a push
>>731049462No one plays this dead game
>>731051925>his job is picking off distracted or unaware enemies,So sniper but worse
>>731051991sniper but he can get you behind cover, essentially
>>731050060make it 3x but only while taunting
>>731052028And worse in every way than sniper in terms of how effective he is
>>731052156in practice, yeah, but it's mostly due to how bullshit busted sniper is
>>731049462>bro just make the constantly top scoring flying instakill merchant more powerfulYou can only grant this if you nerf the fuck out of backstab hitboxes i.e. add victim-side hit detection so that having the spy within the centre third of of your screen means you can't be backstabbed. the constantly top scoring flying facestab merchant doesn't need any more power as is. force people to play the class properly again and make it viable to do so
>>731049462>trying to balance Spy after all these yearsAnon it's over. If classes want to be useful, they need to make better maps.
>>731052531>constantly top scoringthis only happens because spy gets double points for backstab kills for some reasona top scoring spy is literally achieving half of what a top scoring demoman, soldier or sniper would
>>731053132To actually top score against even a semi-sentient team he has to be putting in twice the effort for every kill and is constantly outplaying the lot of them.How many top scoring soldiers, demos or snipers get there without lobbing shit down corridors or choke points? Exactly.
>>731049462tf2 classic already implemented both 2 and 3
I've always wanted a toggle bind that enables Spy to always run at his regular movement speed regardless of disguise. So say you disguise as a Heavy, you press that button and you'll run at Spy-speed. It'll offer strategy and there's upsides and downsides to it. If you see a friendly heavy running fast (and he doesn't have GRU out), it's obvious he's a spy.
>>731049462>remove razorback>un-nerf the ambassador>make stock do 42 damage>give YER a silent decloak for stock and cnd, and reduced noise for dead ringer>spycicle fireproof time increased to 3 seconds and regenerates twice as fast>big earner is a killstreak weapon, speed and cloak duration increases for every kill >red tape recorder takes twice as long to kill a sentry (de-leveling time remains the same) to fuck with minis even more>stock zapper disables sentries for 2 seconds after being removedthere, spy is now on equal footing with tryhard classes like soldier
>>731053706it also implemented a community of snowflake faggoty fairies
>>731052531You literal drooling retard, backstabs get more points.
>>731053776>big earner is a killstreak weapon, speed and cloak duration increases for every killGiving Spy the Eyelander would be so fucking retarded broken but funny.
>>731052531>>bro just make the constantly top scoringLiterally means nothing retard. Backstabs count more than normal kills. God you are retarded
>>731049462Add friendly fire damage
Just remove sniper.
>>731054256>game all about intense close quarters combat>time to design a character that can oneshot you from 300 kilometers awayWhat the fuck were they even thinking? Thats like the ultimate fun killer
>>731054339Huhhh just respect his sight lines mmmkey??
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>>731053706Even then the official TF2 classic lists spy as objectively the weakest class. Even with everything OP said he would still be under powered
>>731049873Spy is dogshit against engie. He has so many tools to fuck him over and he easily beats him in a 1v1 with shotgun or wrangler rockets that instakill him on a direct hit. Engie also has a high crit chance because his sentry does so much damage. Spy can't kill any teammates within the sentry bubble without dying immediately after and engie can spend most of his time just looking for spies and hugging walls while his sentry shoots enemies for him.Engie in general is a poorly designed class that gives pyro, scout, and spy players the middle finger with no effort and is a braindead way to stall out games with building placement being the only engie """skill""" that really matters. In numbers he gets even dumber being able to rapidly rebuild anything you blow up and covering each other's sentry weak spots. Thank god most engie players are bad or he would be the most annoying class in the game. Don't even get me started on the wrangler.
>>731054654Skill issue.
>>731054813If you can't kill spies with a shotgun you have the skill issue.
>>731054654>Engie also has a high crit chance becauseYou or your team have been letting his aimbot rack up the kills instead of dealing with it promptly and efficiently, like a bunch of shitters
>>731055547what exactly am I supposed to do about my clueless f2p scout walking into his sentry over and over
>>731054654Engies power is not in his sentry but in players being too retarded and passive(mostly due to lack of communication) to push and act on his buildings being destroyed.
Give spy noclip including while uncloaked
